Paul Twitchell's Agenda
Colleen Russell
Fear & Threats: Cult Techniques
From Eckankar: Illuminated Way Letters, 1966-1971, Paul Twitchell,page 94;
(c) 1975 Gail Twitchell Gross
"The oldest technique of keeping the loyalty of the chela by many teachers
is with fear. This is true in the methods of those teachers on the lower
plane levels. Because they grow afraid of losing their chelas to a Master on
the higher level, the old fear techniques will be drummed into those who
desire to move away from psychic plane elements into the God planes. These
threats are very common. They usually go like this:
--"If you leave me, you will get caught in the astral and won't get out."
(Twitchell in the Spiritual Notebook, pg. 196: "Within the
Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad is found the quotation 'He who leaves the path of ECK, or
refuses to follow it, shall dwell in the astral hells until the Master takes
mercy upon him and brings him upon the path again.'"
Twitchell in Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad #2, pg. 166: "Woe be unto him if he does
(resign), for it is known among those who have reached these lofty heights
and witnessed the consequences of the few who have. Those few have found
that spiritual decay sets in immediately, affecting the health, material
life and spiritual life, and brings death more swiftly.")
--"Another cliche is: I've got the only path and if you leave it, you're in
deep trouble."
(Twitchell in IWL, pg. 139: "This is a serious path and must be considered
the only way to God."
Spiritual Notebook, pg. 195: "Again and again I have pointed out that
there is no other path than ECK. It is the original source from which all
things spring, and anyone who tries another path is trying to start on a
lower rung. It seems foolish for anyone to use his human judgment in trying
to select a spiritual path for himself, when it is laid out for him to move
onto the original and only path to God."
SKS 2, pg. 14: "The teachings of ECK are the pure doctrine in this world.
There are no others which can reach the same level as ECK."
SKS 2, pg. 17: "Any initiate who violates the tenets of ECKANKAR will
automatically be dropped out of ECK. This means that he will be put back in
his spiritual unfoldment and will not have any opportunity for growth until
the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master, has reinstated him."
Letters to a Chela, pg. 107: "Anyone who breaks away from ECK after
receiving the initiation into ECK, will have to go through many future lives
until he meets the ECK Master again and accepts him to be the Living Eck
Master and surrenders to him completely." SKS 2, pg. 182: "The Mahanta, the
Living ECK Master, is the only being who is eligible to make known the true
path to God. All others mislead their followers, because they themselves are
misled."
Twitchell, IWL, pg. 148: "They only increase their karmic debt and lay
themselves open to the angers of the psychic world. A few who have left the
Master and tried to put themselves in this category have eventually returned
to ask for spiritual help.")
--"Another one is: I'm the true Master, and having initiated you, will be
with you until the end of eternity. I'm your Master always."
Spiritual Notebook, page 202: It makes little difference whether the
person who is interested in ECK has read only one book, has just become an
initiate, or has passed through all the initiations, the ECK Master is with
him constantly."
SKS 2, page 9: ""Unless one has come to the Living ECK Master and accepted
him in complete faith during one's lifetime, he must serve many lives;
meeting with the Mahanta during each life, searching, waiting for another
golden opportunity to take up the path of ECK, and to leave this world
forever.
The opportunity comes again and again for every individual Soul who has
spent time in this world. The Mahanta has been with each Soul time and time
again, but few accept him. They can neither see nor understand the divine
glory which flows through him, which can take each into the heavenly worlds
to live forever as Soul.
The rejection of the Mahanta is sad indeed, for it means that the seeker
must go on looking, reaching and trying to find the heavenly path of ECK and
the ECK Master who will take him into the kingdom of the SUGMAD. But he
seeks in vain for there will never be anyone but the Mahanta to give him
life, to give him the way to the eternal source of ALL things.")
These are a few of the techniques of fear used by most teachers of the
psychic worlds. We can easily recognize them. The very fact they use such
methods to hold their students shows they are afraid of losing out to a true
Master. The real Master never drops any hints of reprisal to anyone who
shows freedom of will and the capacity of thinking for himself."
* * * * *
Although Twitchell claims other "masters" are doing this...the discerning
reader who studies the "teachings" of Eckankar can clearly see that it is
Twitchell, and now Klemp...who use these methods. There are innumerable
quotes from both Twitchell's and Klemp's book where they use the each one of
the above fear-techniques repeatedly...as this webpage progresses, I will be
posting more of these quotes.
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doubletalk.
One thing though: Gail Anderson/Twitchell/Gross/Ande Andersen is apparently no
longer the holder of the copyright to IWL. Gail is reported to have sold all
the copyrights to Paul Twitchell's works to Eckankar org, not long after Harold
Klemp took over.
After this sale, which happened some 20 years ago, Gail was never seen again at
any Eck function.
Eckankar org reportedly paid Gail hundreds of thousands of dollars for the
copyrights.
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One thing though: Gail Anderson/Twitchell/Gross/Ande Andersen is apparently no
longer the holder of the copyright to IWL. Gail is reported to have sold all
the copyrights to Paul Twitchell's works to Eckankar org, not long after Harold
Klemp took over.
After this sale, which happened some 20 years ago, Gail was never seen again at
any Eck function.
Eckankar org reportedly paid Gail hundreds of thousands of dollars for the
copyrights.
DOUG RESPONDS:
Gail sold her rights long before Harold became the Living ECK Master. I believe
it was around 1977-78.
Ed
<These are a few of the techniques of fear used by most teachers of the
<psychic worlds. We can easily recognize them. The very fact they use such
<methods to hold their students shows they are afraid of losing out to a true
<Master. The real Master never drops any hints of reprisal to anyone who
<shows freedom of will and the capacity of thinking for himself."
* * * * *
<Although Twitchell claims other "masters" are doing this...
What do you mean with claim, at least the religion I was in before ECK says it
is the only true holder of the truth to God and the rest is wrong (as though the
pope seems to change some things in this respect, I'm not sure)
<the discerning
<reader who studies the "teachings" of Eckankar can clearly see that it is
<Twitchell, and now Klemp...who use these methods. There are innumerable
<quotes from both Twitchell's and Klemp's book where they use the each one of
<the above fear-techniques repeatedly..
as you can see in these quotes (I hope you have put them up in the correct words,
hadn't the time to verify) Paul only said what in his opinion someone leaving
ECK has to confront. He never as the religion for example spoke of eternal
damnation, but that everyone could and will return to the true path sometimes in
the future. That seems to be a little different, true :-)?
as this webpage progresses, I will be
<posting more of these quotes.
OK, no problem! I will enjoy every quote
Ed
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Ken
"vahana" <vahana...@newsguy.com> wrote ...
>
> Excellent compilation of quotes! Very clearly illustrates Paul Twitchell's
> doubletalk.
Or maybe it's something else entirely.
>
> One thing though: Gail Anderson/Twitchell/Gross/Ande Andersen is apparently no
> longer the holder of the copyright to IWL. Gail is reported to have sold all
> the copyrights to Paul Twitchell's works to Eckankar org, not long after Harold
> Klemp took over.
>
> After this sale, which happened some 20 years ago, Gail was never seen again at
> any Eck function.
>
> Eckankar org reportedly paid Gail hundreds of thousands of dollars for the
> copyrights.
Is this just another rumor, Joe? If no one's seen Gail, how do we know?
vahana
says...
Thanks Doug, apparently should have been "not too long before," not after.
How much was Gail paid for these Eck copyrights?
Do you think her possession of these copyrights at the time Paulji died gave
Gail the power to appoint whoever she wanted to succeed Paulji? That is, Darwin
Gross?
Since Sunasu, Gail's business, was quite successful in the late 70s, any idea
what Gail did with the money she got from Eckankar?
Was Gail ever paid a salary as an employee of Eckankar?
Is it true that Gail hasn't been seen at any Eck functions in the last 20 years?
Carly
Satsang group. Yet here you are demanding answers that no one else
apparently is allowed to speak about.
Double standard again. Do you expect someone to answer your questions just
because you ask them? Are you of the opinion that this is a question and
answer forum? WRONG!
Your questions belong in the National Enquirer. You would make a very good
gossip columnist and just about as accurate a reporter as anyone working for
a gossip seeking agenda.
"vahana" <vahana...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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Ed
Hi,
I wonder why these people are trying to collect material from the past and
present of the organisation Eckankar and therefore put up questions here in the
public and on a private mail-basis. As Harold says, you cannot cheat an honest
man - and so it is with Eckankar as a whole.
Especially when they don't get any answer from any Eckist :-).
And for me privately: this doesn't belong to any Satsang either, it is the past
and it was all necessary. Unfortunately I had to work on the inner on some
things connected with all this and I can only say I'm thankful to Harold that he
safed the teachings that would otherwise have been anywhere. And to the people
working still around with Gross, I can only say, it's your private thing and you
have to know what to do for yourself.
Ask the Mahanta for help and you will at least see the truth.
Ed
--
Rich
>
> "vahana" <vahana...@newsguy.com> wrote ...
> >
> > Excellent compilation of quotes! Very clearly illustrates Paul Twitchell's
> > doubletalk.
>
> Or maybe it's something else entirely.
It certainly was to me Ken. It was a heads up, an eyes open caution.
If Paul really had an agenda to use these techniques to manipulate
people, why would he openly point them out so many times? It's kind of
a silly belief that giving people this foreknowledge wouldn't destroy
there ability to work, at least with people who use any kind of critical
thinking. If it was my real agenda, I certainly wouldn't expose it to
the very people I was attempting to use it on.
Without verifying it herself, Colleen has blindly quoted this detractor
agenda of misrepresentation, which is attempting to manipulate the
readers by quoting out of context. Here are some other excerpts from
the very same March 1968 letter that do show the context and Paul's real
stated agenda.
"What I am getting at is that we cannot live with fear and at the same
time we cannot live with an over-abundance of sentimental love."
"What I am getting at here is that we can live free of these traps"
"Within my love is the framework by which you are free to do as you
choose. Whatever you choose to do is entirely within yourself, but it
does not lesson my loyalty of heart to you and your family. If you
choose to leave ECK for another path, it does not mean that we have
parted in the way of separateness, but your freedom of choice is your
self-determination. This is what I am trying to develop in people -
their self-determination and responsibility by standing on their own
spiritual feet."
Presents a different picture than the fallacious detractor *made up
title* of "Fear & Threats: Cult Techniques", doesn't it Colleen? The
letter was actually presenting the exact opposite of how was portrayed.
--
o
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Colleen Russell
Colleen
"Ed" <redaktio...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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Colleen Russell
You wrote:
"Colleen has blindly quoted this detractor
agenda of misrepresentation, which is attempting to manipulate the
readers by quoting out of context."
You seem to be intent on keeping me the enemy.
Colleen
"Rich" <rsm...@aloha.net> wrote in message news:3BB904...@aloha.net...
Michael
accurate comment?
Curious... Is it that you disagree with the comment, or that you just don't
like Rich?
Love
Michael
Colleen Russell <colleen9> wrote in message
news:9pbdor$k5c$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
Rich
>
> Rich,
> You wrote:
> "Colleen has blindly quoted this detractor
> agenda of misrepresentation, which is attempting to manipulate the
> readers by quoting out of context."
>
> You seem to be intent on keeping me the enemy.
Why do you always respond with this enemy, attack, insult, devalue, ect
paranoia? I don't see you as an enemy. Are you really so insecure?
What is it about you that causes you to be so overly sensitive that you
fail to respond to the discussion at hand?
Why not just respond to the points I was writing about? Did you check
out these quotes and see how they were taken out of context, or did you
just blindly repost them as I said?
And worse, why did you completely ignore the meat of what I wrote? Why
were you unable to say anything about my providing the quotes that state
Paul's real context of the letter he wrote? Why can you never respond
to the real issues? Why can't you answer my questions? Why can't you
support your POV? Why do you hide behind vague innuendo instead of just
being direct and up front?
Michael
I like this one... Colleen was a member for how long, and she doesn't know
the basics?? <G>
Oh it just goes on and on with the leg pulling that Colleen doesn't seem to
even realise is legpulling... But come on Colleen... Tell us...
Are you 'really' still following Darwin? And did he really hit 20 stone as
someone reported a couple of years ago??
Love
Michael
Colleen Russell <colleen9> wrote in message
news:9pbdm5$49e$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
Michael
Rich <rsm...@aloha.net> wrote in message news:3BB9AC...@aloha.net...
> Colleen Russell wrote:
> >
> > Rich,
> > You wrote:
> > "Colleen has blindly quoted this detractor
> > agenda of misrepresentation, which is attempting to manipulate the
> > readers by quoting out of context."
> >
> > You seem to be intent on keeping me the enemy.
>
> Why do you always respond with this enemy, attack, insult, devalue, ect
> paranoia? I don't see you as an enemy. Are you really so insecure?
> What is it about you that causes you to be so overly sensitive that you
> fail to respond to the discussion at hand?
>
> Why not just respond to the points I was writing about? Did you check
> out these quotes and see how they were taken out of context, or did you
> just blindly repost them as I said?
>
> And worse, why did you completely ignore the meat of what I wrote? Why
> were you unable to say anything about my providing the quotes that state
> Paul's real context of the letter he wrote? Why can you never respond
> to the real issues? Why can't you answer my questions? Why can't you
> support your POV? Why do you hide behind vague innuendo instead of just
> being direct and up front?
You are right, Sri Rich... Even blondes can answer a question, even if they
'do' answer it wrong.
But might I suggest that either Colleen is a really sad case of rampant
paranoia, or she thinks she is playing some little game. Whatever, on either
score... People who actually believe that things like a little NG tucked in
a small corner of the Usenet universe are important need to visit a near by
therapy clinic to get things back in persepective.
The entire "Enemy and attacking" nonsense as an excuse for dialogue is
patently absurd. Why be here is you are being "attacked" with every post?
Why pretend a dialogue? The girl is, as they say in this country, a dead
loss.
And NOW I am wondering if she has some weird Darwin agenda...
Who knows.... who cares?
Love
Michael
arel...@home.com
Rich wrote:
>
> Ken wrote:
> >
> > "vahana" <vahana...@newsguy.com> wrote ...
> > >
> > > Excellent compilation of quotes! Very clearly illustrates Paul Twitchell's
> > > doubletalk.
> >
> > Or maybe it's something else entirely.
>
> It certainly was to me Ken. It was a heads up, an eyes open caution.
>
> If Paul really had an agenda to use these techniques to manipulate
> people, why would he openly point them out so many times?
Thats the nature of a person unaware of their shadows...they point out
criticisms of other teachers that they themselves do.
It's kind of
> a silly belief that giving people this foreknowledge wouldn't destroy
> there ability to work, at least with people who use any kind of critical
> thinking. If it was my real agenda, I certainly wouldn't expose it to
> the very people I was attempting to use it on.
>
> Without verifying it herself, Colleen has blindly quoted this detractor
> agenda of misrepresentation, which is attempting to manipulate the
> readers by quoting out of context. Here are some other excerpts from
> the very same March 1968 letter that do show the context and Paul's real
> stated agenda.
>
> "What I am getting at is that we cannot live with fear and at the same
> time we cannot live with an over-abundance of sentimental love."
>
> "What I am getting at here is that we can live free of these traps"
>
> "Within my love is the framework by which you are free to do as you
> choose. Whatever you choose to do is entirely within yourself, but it
> does not lesson my loyalty of heart to you and your family. If you
> choose to leave ECK for another path, it does not mean that we have
> parted in the way of separateness, but your freedom of choice is your
> self-determination. This is what I am trying to develop in people -
> their self-determination and responsibility by standing on their own
> spiritual feet."
>
> Presents a different picture than the fallacious detractor *made up
> title* of "Fear & Threats: Cult Techniques", doesn't it Colleen?
It means Paul talks out of both sides of his mouth.
I have observed this to be a common phenomenon among eckists.
Lurk
HU
consciousness very much like the Buddha consciousness or the Christ
consciousness. The Living ECK Master is the other half of the title "the
Mahanta, the Living ECK Master". The means the outer spiritual teacher,
myself.
"The teachings of Eckankar speak very directly and very distinctly of the
two parts of the Master: the Inner Master and the Outer Master. The Inner
Master is the Mahanta, and the Outer Master is the Living ECK Master.
"The Inner Master is not a physical being. It is someone you see in the
inner planes during contemplation or in the dream state. He may look like
me, he may look like another ECK Master, or he may even look the same as
Christ. All it is, really, is the merging of the Light and Sound of God into
a matrix, into a form which appears as a person. This, then, becomes the
inner guide which steers a person through the pitfalls of karma, the
troubles we make for ourselves through ignorance of the spiritual laws.
"The Master often works in the dream state because it is easier to get
through. Fears can inhibit and prevent one from exercising the freedom and
power and wisdom which are the birthright of Soul. In the dream state, the
Inner Master can begin working with you to familiarize and make you
comfortable with what comes on the other side."
page 25, "The Art of Spiritual Dreaming" by Harold Klemp
--
With love & gratitude,
@->->--
"Colleen Russell" <colleen9> wrote in message news:9pbdm5$49e$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
Colleen Russell
Your comments don't make any sense to me, nor do they seem relevant to any
discussion on eckankar.
Colleen
"Michael" <harmonic1@.bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Colleen Russell
Why, why, why, you write....
Why are you so judgmental?
Colleen
"Rich" <rsm...@aloha.net> wrote in message news:3BB9AC...@aloha.net...
Colleen Russell
Twitchell wrote contradictory messages repeatedly using what Orwell termed
as "doublespeak" in 1984. One minute "The sky is green," and the next
minute, "The sky is purple." Others accept what is said by "forgetting"
what was said before in order to maintain connection with the speaker who
writes in these contradictory terms to satisfy his own needs.
Colleen
<arel...@home.com> wrote in message news:3BB9D98A...@home.com...
Rich
> Twitchell wrote contradictory messages repeatedly using what Orwell termed
> as "doublespeak" in 1984. One minute "The sky is green," and the next
> minute, "The sky is purple." Others accept what is said by "forgetting"
> what was said before in order to maintain connection with the speaker who
> writes in these contradictory terms to satisfy his own needs.
You appear like the "Thought Police" when you write this stuff.
Actually Colleen, again this "others" you refer to, is something that
you have told us that *you* did. And again, I will point out that my
experience was different, as is most of the Eckists I know. I didn't
view Paul Twitchell as the Orwellian "Ministry of Truth".
When I found contradictions I didn't fall into some kind of
psychological break and forget them. I didn't find I had to suppress
anything to maintain a connection with Paul Twitchell. For me it was
quite the opposite of your experience. I found several other options
besides some kind of mindless behavior.
I, as Paul suggested, simply used my own experience to judge for myself
what was the best path of belief for me, always knowing that further
experience may teach me better. If I couldn't decide, I merely put it
on the back burner and let it simmer 'til a bit of spice was added to
make it palatable, it burned away and I threw out both sides, or I
embraced the paradox(my favorite).
As I have pointed out to you many times before, you often "forgot" the
side of the contradiction that I chose and embraced in our early years
in Eckankar. Now years later you are here in this NG railing against
the choices you made as if everyone made and still makes those same
choices... as if there was no other options. There are lots of
contradictory views in Paul Twitchell's writings. So I am here to tell
you that there always where those choices of different beliefs and
views, because I took them.
So when you criticize the decisions you made long ago about how you
viewed the teachings of Eckankar, I agree. When you say how you see the
spiritual path now, I often agree because that's how I saw it then. I
made the choice of the contradictions then, but never forget the other
option, and so learned what that could mean too. My goal was, and still
is, to understand how both side of an issue can be understood from a
higher spiritual viewpoint. But when you say that Eckists are
brainwashed and follow cult programing, as you did, I disagree. When
you say that Eckankar/Eck Master purposefully manipulate Eckists for
selfish purposes, I disagree. When you say Eckist are not free and
encouraged to make their own decisions, I disagree. When you say these
kinds of things, I see you still locked into only one side of the
spectrum.
Rich
>
> Rich,
> Why, why, why, you write....
>
> Why are you so judgmental?
Judgmental? <sigh> I am relegated to guessing and asking because you
refuse to answer any questions. It's your choice of course. But it's
non-responses like this that bring ridicule towards you. It confirms the
view that many have of you. One of which is your unwavering
entrenchment in blind avoidance of facing, and taking responsibility for
your words and actions.
--
o
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> "Rich" <rsm...@aloha.net> wrote in message
> > Why do you always respond with this enemy, attack, insult, devalue, ect
Michael
least understanding basic communication as far as Email goes.
I must say, however, that much of what goes on at a.r.e. is not really
related to any discussion on Eckankar.
But sweety... Whatever turns your crank, as the famous Nathan Zafrann would
say.
Love
Michael
PS: Still, it would be nice to know if you are a member of Darwins teaching,
or if you were initiated by him after he left Eckankar... I know this
English must be difficult for you to understand, but if you read slowly, you
might be able to form the syntax required to answer ...
Colleen Russell <colleen9> wrote in message
news:9pdr8c$md$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net...
Michael
Just when you think it can get no more absurd, Colleen leads us to new
fertile grounds of non-response to simple questions <G>
But of course, she may well rate her response as an answer <VBG>
Love
Michael
Rich <rsm...@aloha.net> wrote in message news:3BBAD1...@aloha.net...
cher
group. Perhaps we're making head way here...
cher
ECKists who have been in for a while accepted that these were problems
with the materials that Paul wrote early on and was still struggling
with on his path. It's true... this does happen at times in Paul's early
books. Paul didn't have a staff who could do the level of editing that
was necessary for the amount of work he turned out. He was prolific. So
this is true. Of course most people see this as an editing issue rather
than an evil insideous plot against mankind. <wink> At least the
rational ones do....
arel...@home.com
Rich wrote:
>
> Colleen Russell wrote:
> >
> > Rich,
> > Why, why, why, you write....
> >
> > Why are you so judgmental?
>
> Judgmental? <sigh> I am relegated to guessing and asking because you
> refuse to answer any questions.
She has already told you that she deems not a safe person to talk to
given your fanatical tone.
It's your choice of course. But it's
> non-responses like this that bring ridicule towards you.
So she doesn't want to answer your questions and that gives you
justification in your mind to ridicule her?
Let's see, here's an eckist not taking responsibility for his
actions....now all we need to
complete the picture is a lecture on how Colleen should take responsibility.
It confirms the
> view that many have of you. One of which is your unwavering
> entrenchment in blind avoidance of facing, and taking responsibility for
> your words and actions.
And here it is....
Just like Paul.
Lurk
Sharon2000
> You see green skies and then purple skies as "doublespeak". Most of the
> ECKists who have been in for a while accepted that these were problems
> with the materials that Paul wrote early on and was still struggling
> with on his path.
Problems with the materials? You mean...the Twitchster had trouble
taking dictation from Reb & Yaubl & them guys, except he seemed to do
a good job in copying word for word from other published books, including
errors in Julian Johnson's work, and claiming this stuff was "dictated by
eckmasters"...
Grundie...hey, if you want to accept this bullshit, that's your problem.
Hilarious, don't you think, that here's Twitch, the Only Manifestation
of the SUGGIE in the Whole Universe, Borne of a Virgin, etc., and he
still had a little "struggle" with......honesty?
> It's true... this does happen at times in Paul's early
> books. Paul didn't have a staff who could do the level of editing that
> was necessary for the amount of work he turned out.
So...Divinely Inspired Dictation from Eckmasters needs editing? <ggg>
He copied the words of others quite well, though, making tiny little
changes here & there to cover up his plagiarism....wouldn't you call
that "editing"?
> He was prolific.
Yeah, and a lot of his crap just wasn't marketable so he declared
himself God Incarnate...following in the footsteps of one of several
"masters" who he betrayed, L. Ron Hubbard.
So
> this is true. Of course most people see this as an editing issue rather
> than an evil insideous plot against mankind. <wink> At least the
> rational ones do....
>
No, Grundie, rational people see it as simple plagiarism. He "forgot"
to credit his sources. Twitch wasn't capable of hatching any big evil
insidious plots against mankind, he was a simple con artist who just had
dreams of profiting from the goodness and trust of simple people who
wanted to believe.
However, his plans *are* made quite obvious in the "Secret Holy Cult
Discourses", a year's worth of which are posted at
http://www.delphi.com/eckankartruth -- people can read it for themselves
and decide what they think he was doing.
Sharon
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http://www.geocities.com/eckcult
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1756/eck.txt
http://www.delphi.com/eckankartruth
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankartruth
http://www.stormpages.com/truthbeknown66/
Ed
Hi Rich,
if it's not too much work for you, can you please show, where there are wrong
words in these quotations. That would be of help for me.
And to Colleen:
let us simply discuss one or two quotes. Then there is a better discussion of
your arguments possible.
with thanks
cher
how to think the entire 51 years that I've been on this planet this
lifetime. Why is it so difficult for you to fathom that your psychic
intrusion into my thinking process is necessary much less invited? You
have no idea what I think much less who I am or what my history is or my
experiences. That you are by nature as is represented by your attitude
and posts an obnoxious bore and a know it all has no effect on me
personally.
I can agree with you when you refer to yourself as a simple person. It's
so obvoius.
Carly
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3BBC827B...@worldnet.att.net...
> You know sharon... I have never needed you to tell me what to think or
> how to think the entire 51 years that I've been on this planet this
> lifetime. Why is it so difficult for you to fathom that your psychic
> intrusion into my thinking process is necessary much less invited? You
> have no idea what I think much less who I am or what my history is or my
> experiences. That you are by nature as is represented by your attitude
> and posts an obnoxious bore and a know it all has no effect on me
> personally.
>
> I can agree with you when you refer to yourself as a simple person. It's
> so obvoius.
>
enough to make one grab the fly spray.
HU
--
With love & gratitude,
@->->--
"Carly" <carl...@hiwaay.net> wrote in message news:QS0v7.17073$6i7.1...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com...
Rich
>
> Hi Rich,
>
> if it's not too much work for you, can you please show, where there are wrong
> words in these quotations. That would be of help for me.
Not "wrong", rearranged. The single lines, that were interspersed
between the other quotes, where cut out of the same quote. So not only
does all of them being out of context give a different meaning, as I
showed, but chopping up and dispersing a single quote among others
further removes the reader from being able to follow what Paul was
really writing about.
You will see several detractors are fond of manipulating quotes to show
a negative meaning. Another favorite technique it to set up the reader
ahead of time, provide an isolated few sentences to support a straw man
argument, and draw negative conclusions from it.
It's a great technique for lawyers, debaters and those that only want to
win. They are not interested in real understanding, dialog and truth.