Patti Simpsons Departure
Catalyst
Membership Services told me that Patti Simpson had quietly let her
membership expire and was no longer in touch. Among ECKists Patti was
Pauls closest confident and co-worker, and with the possible exception
of Doug, was his most ardent apologist. Anyone know the inside story?
Did she too lose her faith?
1859L...@ieee.org
Michael
Thisd is another one of those wonderfully unsubstantiated rumours that flow
out all the time onto this NG.
Apart from the fact that this is her business, and apart from the
extraordinary lack of ethics from the supposed person "leaking" this 'story'
... The rest is simply gossip.
Dear Catlist... You didn't want to question the ethics of the person leaking
confidential information?
When I read a statement from Patti, then I will feel there is something of
substance here.
Love
Michael
<1859L...@ieee.org> wrote in message news:3BFB7FAC...@ieee.org...
Colleen Russell
If Patti isn't actively involved in eckankar (and it appears she is not) it
isn't likely she would stay in it, given what I knew of her.
She was very close to Twitchell and, along with Helen Baird and a few
others, was responsible for launching eckankar.
Did she leave because she wasn't in sync with Klemp? My take is that no
other master could take the place of Twitchell since she was so involved
with him. My hunch is that she was bright and probably couldn't take the
party line and her subservience to it any more.
--
Colleen
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/execkankar
"Catalyst" <cat...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Joe
> Thisd is another one of those wonderfully unsubstantiated rumours that flow
> out all the time onto this NG.
>
> Apart from the fact that this is her business, and apart from the
> extraordinary lack of ethics from the supposed person "leaking" this 'story'
> ... The rest is simply gossip.
>
> Dear Catlist... You didn't want to question the ethics of the person leaking
> confidential information?
>
> When I read a statement from Patti, then I will feel there is something of
> substance here.
And when we hear from Jim Peebles that he's really still an Eckist,
we'll put you somewhere above your current ethical catagory. Or at
least on the chart.
Tom Leafeater
is so important to you when such rumors serve to discredit eckankar in some
way, yet you completely ignore the lack of any physical evidence or history to
prove the existence of eckankar before 1965. If you don't need evidence (beyond
your subjective experience) to back up eckankar's claims, I wouldn't be too
quick to even utter the word "substantiation" on a.r.e. if I were you. I laugh
every time one of you raise the issue of evidence to refute the claims of a
critic. When you admit to the value of evidence whenever it is used to support
an assertion, then, and only then, will you have earned the right to demand
such evidence yourself.
-Leaf
Tom Leafeater
The last I ever heard of Patti Simson-Ravinas, is the time a friend showed me a
form letter she had sent to him. It had been sent out to many eckists. The
letter offered to sell her maple syrup produced from her maple grove in
Vermont. Included with the offering was a newsletter (for a fee, of course)
written by Patty which would inform her syrup buyers of Patti's
oh-so-fascinating life on the grove. Call it rumor, but I saw the letter
myself.
While my 6th initiate friend was flattered by the offer, I found it quite
revealing of Patty. I had the distinct impression she was no longer with the
flock, or would soon be leaving. I can see why she might keep quiet. She has,
perhaps, a lot to gain by remaining silent.
In any case, to my knowledge she hasn't shown up to eckankar events for several
years now.
-Leaf
Rich
She is still in touch with Eckists, whatever that means.
She was in touch with at least one Eckist that knew how to contact her
about Helen Baird's translation a couple of years ago. She also wrote
to another Eckist that I know of at that time.
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Michael
"Joe" <jerr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <harm...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:<2XBK7.674$Lf2....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
> > Thisd is another one of those wonderfully unsubstantiated rumours that
flow
> > out all the time onto this NG.
> >
> > Apart from the fact that this is her business, and apart from the
> > extraordinary lack of ethics from the supposed person "leaking" this
'story'
> > ... The rest is simply gossip.
> >
> > Dear Catlist... You didn't want to question the ethics of the person
leaking
> > confidential information?
> >
> > When I read a statement from Patti, then I will feel there is something of
> > substance here.
>
> And when we hear from Jim Peebles that he's really still an Eckist,
> we'll put you somewhere above your current ethical catagory. Or at
> least on the chart.
>
Well Joe... As I have repeatedly said to you, David Lane said he was going to
follow that up. It appears he has spoken to Jim, but it appears he is
unwilling to post Jim's response.
Why? I have no idea. Maybe you better go ask him.
That dog with the bone habit of yours will be useful for something, somewhere,
and I do hope you find a useful purpose in your life.
Love
Michael
Michael
I thought Non Sequiturs were more up Colleen's path, Tom.
The subject was the unethical disclosure and the unsubstantiated comment made
in regards whether a leading member of Eckankar had left the teaching. If you
seem to be able to find that connected with your current bias, that's fine.
For me it is rather more simple... Someone's private business is their own. As
for the existence of Eckankar... We all know Paul formed this teaching in or
around 1964-65.
For the record, I have seen symbols strikingly similar to the EK symbol Paul
used that came from the Pre-Dynastic period of Ancient Egypt. If that means
anything to you, Then I am happy. If not, I remain happy <G>
Love
Michael
"Tom Leafeater" <tomlea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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cher
anti-eckankar history is constructed exactly like this one, colleen? How
pathetic..... :-| <shrug>
cher
gossip about Patti, by small minded petty people with no lives. Get real
man, you can't find any means of making it appear to be more than it
is... just plain digusting. So trying to justify your behavior with a
side show like this is sickening.... sigh.
cher
like this, so that people can actually see where the garbage on line
starts... the very people who come up with this crap and call it
critical thinking.... LOL.....
By the way Tom... oh expert on Patti Simson.... how old is the lady
nowdays? Any idea? How's her health? Have you heard from her recently?
Oh wait... the letter wasn't to you in the first place, was it? That's
right... you stand on the sidelines and make things up about people you
don't even know! Gee.... why am I not surprised. <sigh>
Joe
> Catalyst wrote:
> >
> > A few years ago, an acquaintance of mine who worked in ECKANKAR
> > Membership Services told me that Patti Simpson had quietly let her
> > membership expire and was no longer in touch. Among ECKists Patti was
> > Pauls closest confident and co-worker, and with the possible exception
> > of Doug, was his most ardent apologist. Anyone know the inside story?
> > Did she too lose her faith?
>
> She is still in touch with Eckists, whatever that means.
>
> She was in touch with at least one Eckist that knew how to contact her
> about Helen Baird's translation a couple of years ago. She also wrote
> to another Eckist that I know of at that time.
Rich, you're an eckankar HI, and you've no problem calling people who
post to this newsgroup.
Can't you take the time to call another HI (Patty Simpson) to get her
side of the story?
HK
back.
We thank her for her devoted service and bright countenance.
At this time Patti is eager to sweeten the mouths with the truth of
the tree.
If you would like to contact Patti, you can check out Heavenly Syrup.
(It's on the inner, I've been there)
Affectionately, HK
Ken
"Tom Leafeater" <tomlea...@aol.com> wrote ...
>
> Michael, its interesting that substantiation of rumors, i.e., physical proof,
> is so important to you when such rumors serve to discredit eckankar in some
> way, yet you completely ignore the lack of any physical evidence or history to
> prove the existence of eckankar before 1965. If you don't need evidence (beyond
> your subjective experience) to back up eckankar's claims, I wouldn't be too
> quick to even utter the word "substantiation" on a.r.e. if I were you. I laugh
> every time one of you raise the issue of evidence to refute the claims of a
> critic. When you admit to the value of evidence whenever it is used to support
> an assertion, then, and only then, will you have earned the right to demand
> such evidence yourself.
Apples and oranges, isn't it?
Why I suppose you think that it *is* ethical to gossip about people you
don't know. Fine for you I guess.
HK
thinking about you as I write my next discourse. What a lesson that
would be (gggg). Oh forgive me, my hearty sense of humor carried me
away. Lets all say that together....
I think it is time for you wee one, to contemplate the love more
frequently and leave the nastiness alone for awhile. You are not
helping my case at all, or Eckankar for that matter. Possible
newcomers have been sending e-mails to our office with offensive
reports of several Eckist's posts on this NG.
And since it appears that your expertise lies in the area of lowly
attacks, I am reccomending a full soul cleaning.
Remember the love little one...........It doesn't really matter if you
remember...................See the waking dream little one.
HK
cher <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3BFBBFFA...@worldnet.att.net>...
cher
include a person's name, particularly when it includes the spiritual
title of that person. That's a copyright violation of the first order.
Criminal behavior is not cute no matter how much you want to make me
change to suit your limited narrow tiny view of the world. :-) So I
guess if impersonating someone who is important is the only hope you
have of attention... then I sure feel sorry for you. :-)
Joe
Maybe she still is an eckist. This was posted to a message board
sometime between 1997 and 2000:
FROM: PATTI SIMPSON RIVINUS, JUNE 6th:
EMAIL: riv...@sover.net
I recently attended a workshop led by James Twyman who wrote the book
"Emissary of Light."
I told the group what had happened to Ram Dass and they did a
beautiful HU chant dedicated to
him. Jimmy Twyman said, "A great teacher is a beam of light of God
shining through the open
door to eternity. That is how I see him and always will.
Incidently, I'd like to pass on info I received from Omega this
morning. Although Ram Dass
cannot make his scheduled Omega retreat July 28 to August 3 it will
go, hosted by Jai Lakshman
and many great teachers will co-lead. All the teachers are donating
their time and Omega is
donating the net proceeds to a fund that will help in Ram Dass' care
and recovery.
If interested you can call Omega at 910-266-4444.
Namaste'
--
HK
cher
permission to post it. :-) Or did you neglect to read that part?
Sharon2000 wrote:
>
> cher <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Odd that you missed this one, Joe. It's listed on the same search, from
> > March of 1999. Oh well... :-)
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InnernetNews/message/4
> >
>
> This is from her book "Paulji: A Memoir". It most certainly was *not*
> written specifically for the "present".
>
> Sharon
>
> > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > tomlea...@aol.com (Tom Leafeater) wrote in message
> > > news:<20011121022614...@mb-cc.aol.com>...
> > >
> > > Maybe she still is an eckist. This was posted to a message board
> > > sometime between 1997 and 2000:
> > >
> > > FROM: PATTI SIMPSON RIVINUS, JUNE 6th:
> > > EMAIL: riv...@sover.net
> > <snippers>
>
> --
> http://www.geocities.com/eckcult
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1756/eck.txt
> http://www.delphi.com/eckankartruth
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankartruth
> http://www.stormpages.com/truthbeknown66/
Joe
Like tonal therapy? I'm not sure that's legal in the States...
But yes, I hope it's quite helpful to keep pointing out to others here
how you've conducted yourself here. It puts your remarks about the
integrity of others in context.
Micheal, you're the one who came to this newsgroup with a story about
Jim Peebles "still an Eckist" and disaffected with Lane's research.
This was *your* story Michael, which your never backed up.
But let's settle this subject, shall we:
Michael, email David Lane and ask him if Jim Peebles is still an
Eckist.
Obviously this subject came up in their telephone conversation.
I believe when reporting this converstation, Lane stated that Peebles
definitely wasn't an Eckist (as if that needed stating to anyone
besides yourself).
But I could be wrong about that.
So send the email Michael, we'll see.
neuralsurfer
Jim Peebles wrote to me a few months back.
He lives in Orange County and he is NOT an Eckist.
Ken
"neuralsurfer" <neural...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>
> Jim Peebles wrote to me a few months back.
>
> He lives in Orange County and he is NOT an Eckist.
Did Peebles e-mail Michael?
(It seems as though "20 questions" is the only way to get to the real facts
with David Lane).
cher
Joe
"Did Peebles email Michael?" lol...
How's Reb doing?
Mark Alexander
: Membership Services told me that Patti Simpson had quietly let her
: membership expire and was no longer in touch. Among ECKists Patti was
: Pauls closest confident and co-worker, and with the possible exception
: of Doug, was his most ardent apologist. Anyone know the inside story?
: Did she too lose her faith?
Patti is fine and tired of responding to silly rumors.
One big clue to the clueless: Patti's two books are still in print and
sold in ECK Centers.
HU
Mark
antispam1
eck master of music? THis was an ECK cellent posting.
Thank you
Good night
Mark Alexander
workshop at every ECK Writer and Arts Conference each summer, and one on
Exploring ECK Initiations.
Don't know anything about Yount Ra.
hu
Mark
"antispam1" <anti...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: Are you comming back to LA to do more of the music seminars? Is yount
:
:
Joe
Ka-ching! Well, there's our proof.
Michael
Hya Mark...
Yount Na... Atlantean Master, currently working with Music and Harmonics,
particularly music that heals...
Dry posts are the best posts! <G>
Love
Michael
"Mark Alexander" <mark...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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antispam1
Siva Ri
Really proof Michael? Why isn't this just another unsubstantiated
rumor? I guess it is not because it looks good to you. Big assumption
here on Alexander's part is that ECKANKAR would cease to sell
Simpson's books if her membership expired. Probably not true, as long
as Simpson kept quiet and didn't raise any ruckus.
cher
Michael
be difficult to keep the head and chin up after these little phurphies...
Maybe they need to just keep on keeping on like good little energizer bunnies
... <G>
Love
Michael
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Michael
I say it is a matter of to each his/her own (Please note the non-sexist
commentary)
But, most would say that Rock and Roll is not exactly a healing music, unless
your healing involved dance, of course <G>
What I have found is that it is more to do with Harmonic Structures that knit
energy, or at times disperse it... Rock and Roll is good for breaking things
up, harmonically speaking, so I personally find it is a matter of time and
place and what's appropriate.
Love
Michael
"antispam1" <anti...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Michael
Healed for good then! <G>
Love
Michael
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> Finally my answer is hereth. Af for dancing, well break dancing does not
qualify
> as healing.
KMerrymoon
>news:<f10c6058.01120...@posting.google.com>...
>> "Mark Alexander" <mark...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:<4FXN7.9621$Ao6.7...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>> > "Catalyst" <cat...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > news:6bfb8ec5.01112...@posting.google.com...
>> > : A few years ago, an acquaintance of mine who worked in ECKANKAR
>> > : Membership Services told me that Patti Simpson had quietly let her
>> > : membership expire and was no longer in touch. Among ECKists Patti was
>> > : Pauls closest confident and co-worker, and with the possible exception
>> > : of Doug, was his most ardent apologist. Anyone know the inside story?
>> > : Did she too lose her faith?
MARK WROTE:
>> > Patti is fine and tired of responding to silly rumors.
>> >
>> > One big clue to the clueless: Patti's two books are still in print and
>> > sold in ECK Centers.
JOE WROTE:
>> Ka-ching! Well, there's our proof.
SIVARI WROTE:
>Really proof Michael? Why isn't this just another unsubstantiated
>rumor? I guess it is not because it looks good to you. Big assumption
>here on Alexander's part is that ECKANKAR would cease to sell
>Simpson's books if her membership expired. Probably not true, as long
>as Simpson kept quiet and didn't raise any ruckus.
DOUG RESPONDS:
I know it's not always easy to keep track of who is posting what sometimes, but
that was Joe's sarcastic remark about "proof", not a comment from Michael.
Michael
"KMerrymoon" <kmerr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Thanks Doug...
The really big clue was the "Joe Wrote" above the comment <G>
But, hey... It's a.r.e. ... we expect things to go wrong occasionally. But I
must say, the way some posts reflect the preset of thew writer is a perfect
example of how we tend to see what we expect... Not necessarily what is really
there.
Love
Michael
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