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Henosis Sage
Jul 18, 2016, 1:17:27 AM7/18/16
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KINPA: "...as if a BOOK can make them correct"
Paul Twitchell even???
About Books, Aryans, History, Evidence, Rama not Rama, Sanskrit, HU, Atlantis,
Root races, Radha Soami, Kirpal Singh, Plagiarism, Copying, Redacting Names and
Facts, Getting it Wrong, and being Outed in Ruhani Satsang newsletters
[..... A REPOST from another thread .....]
me (Henosis Sage change)
14:58 (1 minute ago)
On Sunday, 17 July 2016 02:50:34 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 3:38:41 PM UTC, Tisra Til wrote:
> > I like the Tibetan Buddhist mantra OM MANI PADME HUM. Been chanting that for years and years. Years before I discovered Eckankar.
> > If you stretch OM to AUM, the HU sound is there as the AH fades into UM. So HU, the subtle, is contained in that word for the divine spirit, realm, self. But the AH opens the consciousness, not HU.
>
> World history disagrees with you...since the Germanic "ghu" and the Sanskrit "hu" is the oldest word for God known to humanity...history also shows that the Kurds (white Aryans) called their Godhead HU 7000 years ago, a tradition that is STILL being told by word of mouth to every new generation...of course these were the same group that Zarathustra was in the line of, and who eventually conquered their way into India....look it up! All true, and not simply because I find it convenient...but I bet you will have a problem admitting any such thing due to your pride....look on Amazon about books relating to the histories of the Kurds, there are many...and btw, there is no OM that is a Westernization of the original Indian AUM...do the research....feel free to look at the Oxford English Dictionary as to the origins of the English word God....pretty self-explanatory, despite the fact that you don't agree with what it says.
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MATT PROCLAIMS:
" ...LOOK IT UP! All true, and not simply because I find it convenient...but
I bet you will have a problem admitting any such thing due to your pride....
look on AMAZON about BOOKS relating to the histories of the Kurds, there are
many.."
Kinpa also says:
"...but it IS funny that so many here these days try to use BOOKS as their
only evidence...as if a BOOK can make them correct...it cannot...so using
books in such a way, especially in an EGOIC attempt at any sort of revenge,
can only FAIL...and it does, every single time without exception..."
Of course NONE of this would matter if Paul Twitchell hadn't copied the RAMA
myth from Eduord Schure in his Great Initiates BOOK.
The story that says RAMA and his 'Aryan' people traveled from Germany south
east to India in the Dawn of time ..... post-Atlantis period places it circa
post-10,000 BCE.
That RAMA was a great ECK master ... and is NOT the same Hindu Rama found in
Vedic literature.
That Rama then traveled west to Persia and brought them the Zoroastrian
religion, later returning to India. where he eventually died.
I am not sure where Schure came to his ideas about RAMA in the context of his
The Great initiates book. But I do know he was connected to Blavatsky's Theosophy, and probable had Freemasonry connections too.
Ideas about Atlantis were first recorded by the Greeks 500BC .. but those were
more about islands in the Mediterranean and not on the middle of the oceans.
Theosophy also brought the idea of Root Races, most from outer space or other
planets (eg Venus and Gakko the LEM there) was also integrated in Twitchell's
writings and cosmology.
It's curious spoke about this "unique" Eckankar RAMA vs the Hindu Rama the last
day of his life.
See from page 4
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPNU1Ja042MVVzcHc/view?usp=sharing
He also spoke about the California Parapsychology Foundation CPF where he gave
his first "lectures" on Eckankar in 1965, only later to be outed by the owner
there to Kirpal Singh for using Kirpal's own teachings and texts in Eckankar.
How poignant to be speaking of that (plagiarism and copying from others) and
being accused of "lifting others works to his own ends" the day he died.
See Page 2 ... parapsychology group in SAN DIEGO and the WOMAN he ignored who
then wrote to Kirpal Singh and then he wrote to his RUHANI SATSANG USA about it,
and they published that info in their Newsletters circa early-mid 1966.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPNnVXck03OHAxWnM
THAT EVENT TRIGGERED TWITCHELL TO GET HIS TIGERS FANG MANUSCRIPT BACK FROM
KIRPAL AND TO BEGIN REDACTING NAMES IN HIS CHAPTERS OF TFoG RUNNING IN ORION
MAG AT THAT TIME.
iow this was the time ~EASTER 1966 that Twitchell began his widespread
replacing (redacting) of most past REAL historical religious figures into
fictional (aka literary pegs) "Eck Master" names
They at Ruhani already knew all about Twitchell (and Gail) as prior Ruhani
Initiates but now Radha Soami APOSTATES teaching a COMPILED PATH called Eckankar
.... a misspelling of Ekankar, a commonly used RS Ruhani Sikh Hindu TERM.
also check ...
PT IMPRESSIONS AND CORRECTIONS - 17 SEPT 1971
"Now, a lot of the impressions that I first set out in my first work, I'm having to go
back and redo these things and try to correct them.
And I'm like the fellow who felt his way along in a college course and they told him
he had to write a book in order to keep in the work, and he didn't know what to
say and he had to go, and he had to do something, and when he did, he got it all
wrong.
And by getting it all wrong, ten years from there, he had to go back and correct
his book and rewrite it, and nobody believed him because they were believing the
first impression of what he made.
And this is the position I'm in."
NOTE from 1970-1971 DOBTLEM Part Four – Pages 238-257
“This first ECK Master was Ramaj, the founder of the Ancient Order of the
Vairagi which is the secret brotherhood of the ECK Masters. It is said that out of his
teachings have come the many religions of the world, e.g., Hinduism, Christianity,
Buddhism, Shintoism, Moslem, to name a few.
His teachings were taken from the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the sacred scriptures of
the heavenly worlds. To the elective few came the religious books of the
various orthodox faiths.”
Mystic World article by Paul Twitchell April-May-June 1971
Meaning that the Rama of ECKANKAR, is not the same one as the Hindu Rama.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPVHdDaDNfRWNBSFE
"Ramaj" is like saying "Ramaji" or Harji etc .... to Paul T at least.
iow Ramaj's name is RAMA. But no, not that Hindu "Rama" .... and Twitchell complained that other people (incl Journalists) got CONFUSED by that and
didn't get it right!
Paul Twitchell even???
About Books, Aryans, History, Evidence, Rama not Rama, Sanskrit, HU, Atlantis,
Root races, Radha Soami, Kirpal Singh, Plagiarism, Copying, Redacting Names and
Facts, Getting it Wrong, and being Outed in Ruhani Satsang newsletters
[..... A REPOST from another thread .....]
me (Henosis Sage change)
14:58 (1 minute ago)
On Sunday, 17 July 2016 02:50:34 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 3:38:41 PM UTC, Tisra Til wrote:
> > I like the Tibetan Buddhist mantra OM MANI PADME HUM. Been chanting that for years and years. Years before I discovered Eckankar.
> > If you stretch OM to AUM, the HU sound is there as the AH fades into UM. So HU, the subtle, is contained in that word for the divine spirit, realm, self. But the AH opens the consciousness, not HU.
>
> World history disagrees with you...since the Germanic "ghu" and the Sanskrit "hu" is the oldest word for God known to humanity...history also shows that the Kurds (white Aryans) called their Godhead HU 7000 years ago, a tradition that is STILL being told by word of mouth to every new generation...of course these were the same group that Zarathustra was in the line of, and who eventually conquered their way into India....look it up! All true, and not simply because I find it convenient...but I bet you will have a problem admitting any such thing due to your pride....look on Amazon about books relating to the histories of the Kurds, there are many...and btw, there is no OM that is a Westernization of the original Indian AUM...do the research....feel free to look at the Oxford English Dictionary as to the origins of the English word God....pretty self-explanatory, despite the fact that you don't agree with what it says.
------------------
MATT PROCLAIMS:
" ...LOOK IT UP! All true, and not simply because I find it convenient...but
I bet you will have a problem admitting any such thing due to your pride....
look on AMAZON about BOOKS relating to the histories of the Kurds, there are
many.."
Kinpa also says:
"...but it IS funny that so many here these days try to use BOOKS as their
only evidence...as if a BOOK can make them correct...it cannot...so using
books in such a way, especially in an EGOIC attempt at any sort of revenge,
can only FAIL...and it does, every single time without exception..."
Of course NONE of this would matter if Paul Twitchell hadn't copied the RAMA
myth from Eduord Schure in his Great Initiates BOOK.
The story that says RAMA and his 'Aryan' people traveled from Germany south
east to India in the Dawn of time ..... post-Atlantis period places it circa
post-10,000 BCE.
That RAMA was a great ECK master ... and is NOT the same Hindu Rama found in
Vedic literature.
That Rama then traveled west to Persia and brought them the Zoroastrian
religion, later returning to India. where he eventually died.
I am not sure where Schure came to his ideas about RAMA in the context of his
The Great initiates book. But I do know he was connected to Blavatsky's Theosophy, and probable had Freemasonry connections too.
Ideas about Atlantis were first recorded by the Greeks 500BC .. but those were
more about islands in the Mediterranean and not on the middle of the oceans.
Theosophy also brought the idea of Root Races, most from outer space or other
planets (eg Venus and Gakko the LEM there) was also integrated in Twitchell's
writings and cosmology.
It's curious spoke about this "unique" Eckankar RAMA vs the Hindu Rama the last
day of his life.
See from page 4
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPNU1Ja042MVVzcHc/view?usp=sharing
He also spoke about the California Parapsychology Foundation CPF where he gave
his first "lectures" on Eckankar in 1965, only later to be outed by the owner
there to Kirpal Singh for using Kirpal's own teachings and texts in Eckankar.
How poignant to be speaking of that (plagiarism and copying from others) and
being accused of "lifting others works to his own ends" the day he died.
See Page 2 ... parapsychology group in SAN DIEGO and the WOMAN he ignored who
then wrote to Kirpal Singh and then he wrote to his RUHANI SATSANG USA about it,
and they published that info in their Newsletters circa early-mid 1966.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPNnVXck03OHAxWnM
THAT EVENT TRIGGERED TWITCHELL TO GET HIS TIGERS FANG MANUSCRIPT BACK FROM
KIRPAL AND TO BEGIN REDACTING NAMES IN HIS CHAPTERS OF TFoG RUNNING IN ORION
MAG AT THAT TIME.
iow this was the time ~EASTER 1966 that Twitchell began his widespread
replacing (redacting) of most past REAL historical religious figures into
fictional (aka literary pegs) "Eck Master" names
They at Ruhani already knew all about Twitchell (and Gail) as prior Ruhani
Initiates but now Radha Soami APOSTATES teaching a COMPILED PATH called Eckankar
.... a misspelling of Ekankar, a commonly used RS Ruhani Sikh Hindu TERM.
also check ...
PT IMPRESSIONS AND CORRECTIONS - 17 SEPT 1971
"Now, a lot of the impressions that I first set out in my first work, I'm having to go
back and redo these things and try to correct them.
And I'm like the fellow who felt his way along in a college course and they told him
he had to write a book in order to keep in the work, and he didn't know what to
say and he had to go, and he had to do something, and when he did, he got it all
wrong.
And by getting it all wrong, ten years from there, he had to go back and correct
his book and rewrite it, and nobody believed him because they were believing the
first impression of what he made.
And this is the position I'm in."
NOTE from 1970-1971 DOBTLEM Part Four – Pages 238-257
“This first ECK Master was Ramaj, the founder of the Ancient Order of the
Vairagi which is the secret brotherhood of the ECK Masters. It is said that out of his
teachings have come the many religions of the world, e.g., Hinduism, Christianity,
Buddhism, Shintoism, Moslem, to name a few.
His teachings were taken from the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the sacred scriptures of
the heavenly worlds. To the elective few came the religious books of the
various orthodox faiths.”
Mystic World article by Paul Twitchell April-May-June 1971
Meaning that the Rama of ECKANKAR, is not the same one as the Hindu Rama.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPVHdDaDNfRWNBSFE
"Ramaj" is like saying "Ramaji" or Harji etc .... to Paul T at least.
iow Ramaj's name is RAMA. But no, not that Hindu "Rama" .... and Twitchell complained that other people (incl Journalists) got CONFUSED by that and
didn't get it right!
Henosis Sage
Jul 18, 2016, 1:22:43 AM7/18/16
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REPOST also related to this broader "issue"
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HI TT
fyi quotes from Twitch in '66 (he passing on others info of course)
"Lots of times the word OM is actually HU--OOOO-MMMMMM."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JKPmt3msshE/zjjswu-NSAgJ
An odd thing happened ... the HUUUU--OOOOO-UUUU-MMMMM came to me via the
"inner" during a HU chant... when I did it myself in the moment the
intensity changed (hard to explain)
several years later, maybe 5, I found this HU-OO-MMM info on ESA from Twitchell.
And not long before that I had found the earlier texts where Twitch. ONLY
ever spoke about AUM and not the HU .... when things became more "established"
circa 1968 onward he totally dropped the AUM, replaced those TEXTS with the HU and added in the Hazrat Khan info with the HU, without mentioning him of course.
It's a bit complex with many details across time .... but when people today
talk about the HU and it's centrality in Eckankar that was NOT always the case.
cheers
Tisra Til
Jul 18, 2016, 2:43:54 AM7/18/16
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Tisra Til
Jul 18, 2016, 2:46:29 AM7/18/16
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Tisra Til
Jul 18, 2016, 2:49:21 AM7/18/16
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On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:22:43 AM UTC-5, Henosis Sage wrote:
Kinpa
Jul 18, 2016, 6:58:11 PM7/18/16
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Why this is marked as abuse? It has been marked as abuse.
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Henosis Sage
Jul 18, 2016, 8:39:24 PM7/18/16
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On Tuesday, 19 July 2016 08:58:11 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
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> Enjoy the Munchausen's Discourse~!!
Wow.
>
> Enjoy the Munchausen's Discourse~!!
Etznab
Jul 19, 2016, 9:21:08 AM7/19/16
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Btw, when Kinpa claims to know about language and how it began is he looking at books for that information? Not that books don't have accurate information, but as Paul Twitchell showed us the information in books can be inaccurate.
Kinpa
Jul 19, 2016, 6:17:28 PM7/19/16
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In any case, it makes no difference, this isn't a debate, you have already admitted that neither books nor papers make anything or anyone factual or accurate....so why then did sean choose to start a new thread with a quote of me? What is the actual motivation for doing that??? Anyone?
Henosis Sage
Jul 19, 2016, 8:05:36 PM7/19/16
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I have access to a great many papers on the subject, and so could anyone else
attempts at presenting ONLY the ideas he prefers?
The very idea is ridiculous...
My God, imagine someone presenting ideas that they "prefer" as being useful,
The very idea is ridiculous...
accurate, insightful, interesting and related - the world has gone to the dogs!
Kinpa again goes off with the faeries and falsely claims:
"you (that's me) have already admitted that neither books nor papers make
anything or anyone factual or accurate...."
More twisted verbaling as usual. Kinpa - the most inaccurate person to ever
post to a.r.e. bar none ... that's some feat!
Etznab
Jul 19, 2016, 9:25:38 PM7/19/16
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No. I don't communicate in sweeping statements like you.
You say anything or "anyone factual or accurate" and those are your own created lying words.
I think you're a control freak.
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