On Aug 11, 10:24 pm, Santim Vah <
sean.arund...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 8:59 am, Etznab <
etz...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > For those who have eyes to see. (Look for the words Ekankar &
> > ECKANKAR.)
>
> > Quoting The Path of the Masters, by Julian Johnson - 1939
>
> > God and the Grand Hierarchy of the Universe
>
> > [....]
>
> > 4. NAMES OF THE SUPREME BEING
>
> > "In the literature of the saints, God is expressed by many words, such
> > as Soami, Ekankar, Nirankar, Radha Soami, Akal, Nirala, Anami, Agam,
> > Alakh, Sat Purush, Prabhu, Prabhswami, Hari Rai, Akshar, Parameshwar,
> > Akshar Purush, etc. All of these words have been coined in an effort
> > to convey to human intelligence some idea of what the saints think of
> > God, or Lord God, the highest power. Ekankar means the 'one oneness',
> > the body of oneness. [....]" (Etc., etc.)
>
> >
http://www.mirrorh.com/potmnots.html>
> >
http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters...
>
> > *********
> > Quoting Rebazar Tarzs in The Far Country, by Paul Twitchell, 1970?
>
> > "In the literature of the sacred, this divine formless spirit is
> > expressed by many names, such as, ECKANKAR, Nirankar, Akal, Nirala,
> > Anami, Agam, Alakh, Sat Purush, Prabhu, Prabhswami, Akashar,
> > Paramakshar, Purusha.
>
> > "All of these words have been coined in an effort to convey to human
> > intelligence some idea of what the Saints think of the SUGMAD, or Lord
> > God, the highest power.
>
> > "ECKANKAR means the one oneness, the body of oneness. All, or Totality
> > - this is the secret name of God or the SUGMAD which will be creeping
> > into these talks between us as I [Rebazar Tarzs] go deeper into this
> > philosophy." (Etc., etc.) [My brackets]
>
> >
http://www.mirrorh.com/tfctfc.htmlhttp://www.archive.org/stream/farco......
>
> > *********
>
> > Eckankar might have trademarked the word ECKANKAR in 1968. However,
> > the word Ekankar appears to have existed many years previous to that.
> > Defined similarly in some places even though the spelling was
> > different.
>
> > Johnson says: "Ekankar means the 'one oneness', the body of oneness."
>
> > Rebazar says: "ECKANKAR means the one oneness, the body of oneness."
>
> > (See reference links for context and italics text.)
>
> Etznab,
>
> It appears as if Sri harold klemp agrees with you. for just one
> example :
>
> QUOTE
> The Master Compiler
> Paul Twitchell was the unique individual who brought out the teachings
> of Eckankar in 1965. The more I study his life and writings, the more
> I respect him. I regard Paul as the great compiler.
>
> Paul Twitchell showed himself to be the master compiler of the
> scattered wisdom that he brought together in the path we know as
> ECKANKAR. Some people like to believe [FALSELY] that every time he put
> pen to paper the words flowed out in impeccable English, every
> punctuation mark in place, as befits a great message from the "Godman"
> of the twentieth century.
>
> It didn't happen quite like that.
> Paul had an uncanny knack for depicting the human condition through
> the writings left by OTHER AUTHORS.
> Harold Klemp,
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> However, when it comes to the Lawyers, they on behalf of ECKANKAR
> apparently disagree.
>
> See page 8 .... regarding where they specifically state that ECKANKAR
> = EKANKAR etchttp://
www.thetruth-seeker.com/scanindexsubtitleAcss.aspx?SubtitleNo=24>
> But that when *others* used the words EK and EKANKAR .. eg RS, Kirpal
> Singh, Guru nanak, and a PLETHORA or of other teachers and
> teachings ... the LAWYERS SAY that the meanings of the words are NOT
> the same.
>
> Unfortunately for the Lawyers, and Darwin Gross and many many others
> post 1971, 1983/84 and since that DOES ACTUALLY EQUAL WHAT THE FOUNDER
> OF ECKANKAR INC SAID HIMSELF IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ... and nor is it
> what those who were actually closest to Paulji 65-71 say either.
>
> Somewhere within all the mis-information and paradoxes lays the truth,
> the WHOLE TRUTH ... but very very few KNOW IT, nor respect it, nor
> speak up for it.
>
> Where Sri harold klemp now stands on this is anyone's guess ..... but
> piffle about *nothing is perfect in the lower world's* is imho a cop-
> out and a head in the sand attitude.
>
> Paul, in my humble opinion had enormous respect for the those that
> came before him, and the writings of OTHER AUTHORS.
>
> I belive that paul had to STOP referring to them due to the attacks of
> *loyal true believers* of those other paths who did not know what or
> why he was doing what he was doing .. and thus began the distanceing
> and the REDACTIONS ... putting the words of others into the mouth of
> the cahracters such as Sudar Singh and Rebazar tarzs, and lai tsi, and
> rami Nuri etc etc etc.
>
> I have no idea why it has been impossible for ECKANKAR INC under the
> leadership of Sri Harold to simply acknowledge the practical and
> worldly truth of these matters, when at the same time pointing out
> that what so many might BELIEVE what they have read is not in fact
> LITERALLY FACTUALLY ACCURATE.
>
> It isn't that hard a thing to do imho .... but luckily it is NOT my
> responsibility either.
>
> The truth is out there and in right in front of people's faces and has
> always been so ... but as you say, many have not the *eyes to see it*
> for what it is .... David lane only uncovered part of the story ....
> had his questions been dealt with maturely and honestly, i expect his
> direction would have been totally different.
>
> Due to the silence ... nothing changes.
>
> It has nothing to do with people expecting perfection whatsoever ...
> imho. It has more to do with the space inside people's heads are
> unable to cope with all the *details* ..... few have Pauls
> capabilities. very few.
>
> end of story
Wanted to find a link for that master compiler quote. For clarity.
Here it is.
Quoting from official Eckankar website:
"Behind the Scenes with Paul Twitchell
"By Sri Harold Klemp
"Paul Twitchell showed himself to be the master compiler of the
scattered wisdom that he brought together in the path we know as
ECKANKAR.
"When the ancient mysteries have gone so far afield that only
distorted fragments remain in the public mind, then the Order of
Vairagi Adepts sends forth a chosen one from among its band to restore
truth, such as it is, in the material domain.
"Paul had an uncanny knack for depicting the human condition through
the writings left by other authors. But he took their efforts a step
further. He recast the seed ideas so they fit into a grander, more
compelling spiritual framework. He artfully presented the subject of
the power of imagination as Soul’s peculiar talent for survival in
every universe of creation. [....]"
http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/behindscenes.html