Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
Message to ATOMs, and All Initiates of Sri Darwin Gross
886 views
Skip to first unread message
MichaelT...@yahoo.com
Jan 9, 2012, 3:16:47 PM1/9/12
to
Hi. I’m Michael Turner
On October 22, 2011, I accepted responsibility for carrying on the
work of Sri Darwin Gross, and all those who came before him, and began
offering satsang and initiation, serving as an inner friend (I am also
known as Za Nar within) and teaching the Way of Divine Spirit, the
Shabda, in his honor.
Please know that I take this responsibility very seriously. I have
loved God with all my heart as long as I can remember, and have been
devoted to this path and Sri Darwin ever since He initiated me in
1975. Not for a moment do I think I can replace Darji. He was one of
a kind. All I can do is serve God, Shabda and our Master with all my
heart and soul, and help people learn this path as best I know how.
I fully understand many of you already have a strong inner connection
with Dap Ren, and may not always need a living teacher to work with
you. For all of you whose connection with Dap Ren and Shabda is that
solid, I am very, very happy that you are so blessed, and I never want
to get in the way of that.
At the same time, if some of you feel you want to work with someone
here in the physical plane, someone who can also meet you in soul and
work with Dap Ren to assist your spiritual blossoming, I am happy to
be of service. I leave that choice up to you.
I promise you I will always strive to honor God, our Master, this
path, and all of you. I love each and every one of you very, very
much.
Thank you . . . with Love,
Michael Turner
(Za Nar)
http://spiritualfreedomsatsang.org
On October 22, 2011, I accepted responsibility for carrying on the
work of Sri Darwin Gross, and all those who came before him, and began
offering satsang and initiation, serving as an inner friend (I am also
known as Za Nar within) and teaching the Way of Divine Spirit, the
Shabda, in his honor.
Please know that I take this responsibility very seriously. I have
loved God with all my heart as long as I can remember, and have been
devoted to this path and Sri Darwin ever since He initiated me in
1975. Not for a moment do I think I can replace Darji. He was one of
a kind. All I can do is serve God, Shabda and our Master with all my
heart and soul, and help people learn this path as best I know how.
I fully understand many of you already have a strong inner connection
with Dap Ren, and may not always need a living teacher to work with
you. For all of you whose connection with Dap Ren and Shabda is that
solid, I am very, very happy that you are so blessed, and I never want
to get in the way of that.
At the same time, if some of you feel you want to work with someone
here in the physical plane, someone who can also meet you in soul and
work with Dap Ren to assist your spiritual blossoming, I am happy to
be of service. I leave that choice up to you.
I promise you I will always strive to honor God, our Master, this
path, and all of you. I love each and every one of you very, very
much.
Thank you . . . with Love,
Michael Turner
(Za Nar)
http://spiritualfreedomsatsang.org
Message has been deleted
signon77
Jan 12, 2012, 5:12:21 PM1/12/12
to
On Jan 9, 8:16 pm, "MichaelTurner...@yahoo.com"
Isn't it ironic that ATOM chooses to communicate with its membership
via a forum called "alt.religion.eckankar"?
via a forum called "alt.religion.eckankar"?
Etznab
Jan 12, 2012, 6:34:03 PM1/12/12
to
page of the website reads:
Copyright © 2012 Ancient Teachings of the Masters LLC.
Ancient Teachings of the Masters LLC is wholly owned by The Darwin
Gross Trust.
http://atom.org/
A splinter group of ATOM - by another name and another "Master" is
Dhunami. This is the "Living Master" allegedly appointed by Darwin
Gross before he died, IMO.
http://dhunami.com/
So Michael Turner is not ATOM. Sri Michael is teaching under the name
SPIRITUAL FREEDOM SATSANG (SFS) far as I can tell.
http://spiritualfreedomsatsang.org/
ATOM is owned by the Darwin Gross Trust.
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
wernertrp
Jan 15, 2012, 4:50:45 AM1/15/12
to
Every sixth us citizen get food stamps.
1,2 Million us childs are homeless.
Message has been deleted
MichaelT...@yahoo.com
Jan 24, 2012, 6:32:43 PM1/24/12
to
972nd Living Eck Master - and members of ATOM who visit this site. So
I thought this might be one effective forum through which to reach
some of them.
Yours in Eck,
Michael Turner
Spiritual Freedom Satsang
http://spiritualfreedomsatsang.org
zipcard_3
Jan 26, 2012, 10:30:23 PM1/26/12
to
Hi,
If you recall history, Sudar Singh translated during the year 1947.
Paul Twitchell became the L.E.M. 1965. If memory serves the first
seminar was in '66. However, Darji did not have a successor, nor was
there any confirmation or formal ceremony. Just as the path was in
limbo during the "masterless" (no L.E.M.) years so too is the path
experiencing history again. Who knows when Darji's successor will
appear ?
As with the tradition of the Boucharan Masters Darji had chelas to
formally continue their unfoldment with him after he translates. This
formality took place during a dream journey for those chelas whom were
still interested with Dap Ren's guidance and influence while the
chelas continue to spiritually unfold. This time honored traditon
applies only to the chelas whom the Master initiated during his
tenure. If any chela chooses not to continue then the dream journey
shall not happen, but being what ASU (ECK) is then the chela would be
there for the initiates' to register with the list of names. Paul
Twitchell spoke of this tradition long ago, and I have an old
discourse that has this information. The chela continues with Dap Ren
if the chela so chooses. As a side note I have an old discourse that
declares there "shall be no mighty temple of Eck". Also Paul wrote
thet Eckankar would never become a religion. To what extent and how
much did Harji break from truth within the teachings one may never
know, but Paulji did talk and write about the L.E.M.'s commission.
Just like tha Abbot of a monestary traditons were never to be changed
nor the teachings less than accurate and pure. The Masters are
anything but supportive of religion and political correctness they do
not do. For such attributes are of the social conscousness. There is a
general understanding among the Masters that he who desires to be the
L.A.M. or in the early days the L.E.M., then that person is unworthy.
I wonder why this is so ? But Mr.Marche claims such title too, some
other fellow claims he has been a Living Master since 1988 I think,
but received the rod of power I think around 1996 or '97. I lost
connection to his website long ago, yet believe him to be a fraud as
well. Supposedly he finished writting the rest of the Shariyat
volumnes up to 14 I think. I visited his websit for a day or so then
left. Maybe someday Darji's successor will appear.
Bye
On Jan 9, 12:16 pm, "MichaelTurner...@yahoo.com"
If you recall history, Sudar Singh translated during the year 1947.
Paul Twitchell became the L.E.M. 1965. If memory serves the first
seminar was in '66. However, Darji did not have a successor, nor was
there any confirmation or formal ceremony. Just as the path was in
limbo during the "masterless" (no L.E.M.) years so too is the path
experiencing history again. Who knows when Darji's successor will
appear ?
As with the tradition of the Boucharan Masters Darji had chelas to
formally continue their unfoldment with him after he translates. This
formality took place during a dream journey for those chelas whom were
still interested with Dap Ren's guidance and influence while the
chelas continue to spiritually unfold. This time honored traditon
applies only to the chelas whom the Master initiated during his
tenure. If any chela chooses not to continue then the dream journey
shall not happen, but being what ASU (ECK) is then the chela would be
there for the initiates' to register with the list of names. Paul
Twitchell spoke of this tradition long ago, and I have an old
discourse that has this information. The chela continues with Dap Ren
if the chela so chooses. As a side note I have an old discourse that
declares there "shall be no mighty temple of Eck". Also Paul wrote
thet Eckankar would never become a religion. To what extent and how
much did Harji break from truth within the teachings one may never
know, but Paulji did talk and write about the L.E.M.'s commission.
Just like tha Abbot of a monestary traditons were never to be changed
nor the teachings less than accurate and pure. The Masters are
anything but supportive of religion and political correctness they do
not do. For such attributes are of the social conscousness. There is a
general understanding among the Masters that he who desires to be the
L.A.M. or in the early days the L.E.M., then that person is unworthy.
I wonder why this is so ? But Mr.Marche claims such title too, some
other fellow claims he has been a Living Master since 1988 I think,
but received the rod of power I think around 1996 or '97. I lost
connection to his website long ago, yet believe him to be a fraud as
well. Supposedly he finished writting the rest of the Shariyat
volumnes up to 14 I think. I visited his websit for a day or so then
left. Maybe someday Darji's successor will appear.
Bye
On Jan 9, 12:16 pm, "MichaelTurner...@yahoo.com"
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
Etznab
Jan 27, 2012, 3:13:51 PM1/27/12
to
Can you offer any more information about this? Name of discourse?
Discourse series? Year of publication?
Thanks.
wernertrp
Jan 28, 2012, 12:10:16 PM1/28/12
to
Alte Tomaten Ohne Muster.
MichaelT...@yahoo.com
Feb 3, 2012, 11:15:23 AM2/3/12
to
You might want to visit the following website:
http://spiritualfreedomsatsang.org
Some questions are answered there.
Yours in Eck,
Michael
64d...@gmail.com
May 9, 2018, 8:12:29 PM5/9/18
to
I am such a one, and I don't even visit this website. Ha! The fact that you do not push against those who push you speaks volumes, Brother.
Henosis Sage
May 9, 2018, 10:37:24 PM5/9/18
to
On Thursday, 10 May 2018 10:12:29 UTC+10, 64d...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am such a one, and I don't even visit this website. Ha! The fact that you do not push against those who push you speaks volumes, Brother.
Yes indeed!
> I am such a one, and I don't even visit this website. Ha! The fact that you do not push against those who push you speaks volumes, Brother.
In my personal experience and knowledge of him Michael Turner is a wonderful genuine caring ethical and respectful non-judgemental person. Has been consistently so for decades. I am not a chela of his but I do have the greatest respect for him personally and how he goes about his work being a 'shabda teacher' etc
0 new messages