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Chas.
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On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 7:12:16 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
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> Formal doctrinal debate is decided on relevance of arguments to direct quotes from authentic scripture.
>
> You lose, @chas because you spew arbitrary views and disregard the evidence shown to you that it is you who is not in accord with Nichiren and clueless about the Lotus Sutra. Your links and conjectures are pretty lame--- but the fact that you don't seem to know how to participate in a doctrinal debate is laughable--.
>
> The "all too human Shakaymuni" did not preach the "Life Span chapter", the Essential teaching that Nichiren placed faith in and lived! That would be the Eternal Shakyamuni Buddha-- as described quite clearly in the Kanjin Honzon Sho-- extant in Nichiren's own hand, written in Classical Chinese, And it is the Eternal Shakyamuni whose image is the Gohonzon.
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> Specific quotes from the Kanjn Honzon Sho have been posted multiple times. Sincere practitioners of Nichiren's Lotus sutra Buddhism read the entire Gosho-- which apparently you have not!
>
> ~Katie
Any self-serving literal interpretation of the Gosho that you wield as a weapon against the eternal truth of the supreme teaching of the Lotus Sutra has been declared "not to be accepted" by Nichiren Daishonin:
From "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, p. 263:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-237
. . . I must observe sadly that, although it would be simple
. . . enough to point out the error of the views propounded by
. . . these men, if I did so, the people of today would not even
. . . look in my direction. They would go on in their erroneous
. . . ways and, in the end, would slander me to the ruler of the
. . . country and put my life in jeopardy. Nevertheless, our
. . . merciful father Shakyamuni Buddha, when he faced his end in
. . . the grove of sal trees, stated as his dying instructions
. . . that we are to “rely on the Law and not upon persons.” “Not
. . . relying upon persons” means that when persons of the first,
. . . second, third, and fourth ranks preach, even though they
. . . are bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and Manjushrī who
. . . have attained the stage of near-perfect enlightenment, IF
. . . THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN HAND, THEN THEY ARE
. . . NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.
Your entire set of arguments has no doctrinal basis because of that. You lose, and that means you lose big time, countless kalpas.
Let's choose a referee/judge that is neutral, unlike cael...@gmail.com, your shill.
I choose Noel, who has a low opinion of the SGI, Sensei and myself.
Let "Noel the Neutral" judge who is winning this rhetorical battle. If it goes against me, I'll live with that.
-Chas.
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On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 3:38:34 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> I think not - the arbitrator for the correct doctrine of Nichiren’s Buddhism is Nichiren himself ; Nichiren’s own words from original writings in accordance with Nichirens standards for doctrinal debates.
>
> Original writings were presented , but you don’t yield to Nichiren’s own words. That is your personal weakness , and you compound it suggesting another “ person “(Noel) because of his negative “personal biases “, should be the arbitrator !!
>
> Both you and Noel rely on persons to inform your beliefs , but neither of you know that though you differ , like Gakkai v. Shoshu, the “ persons “ Nd their “ methods who established what you believe is Nichiren’s teaching , are the same “ persons you both emulate!
>
> J.Stone rattles yout cages by revealing your lineage to be corrupt and heretical , which is why you attack and dismiss her work . Nevertheless, she very thoroughly writes about the history neither of you want to know -/ but it may interest readers here to learn :
>
> “ The equation of Nichiren with the original boos not easily reconciled with Nichiren’s own clear reverence for Sakyamuni as ‘parent, teacher and sovereign ‘ of all living beings, and this particular strand of Buddhist thought had been much criticized by other Nichiren schools. In recent decades , it has come under attack for lack of basis in Nichiren’s writings by those sectarian scholars of Nichirenshu intent on purifying the Nichiren corpus of apocryphal works as a basis for establishing a normative doctrine ,a project in which the present-day inheritors of the Fuji lineage — Nichiren Shoshu— have evinced little interesting. But authenticated writings of a founder are not the only basis upon which religious traditions have , historically, chosen to argue their authority. Scholars of the medieval Fuji school, like the Tendai lineages of their day, based interpretations of doctrine and their claims to legitimacy less on original texts than on secret transmissions , a hermeneutical approach that its modern descendants have in large part inherited.” —- Original Enlightenment and the Transformation of Medieval Japanese Buddhism “, J.Stone / pp. 342-3.
>
> Not breaking news that Shoshu has little interest in “purifying the Nichiren corpus of apocryphal works “ — It is news to their members and Gakkai members that 1) There are a great many fake writings in their collection of Nichiren’s writings and 2) Nichiren warmed against relying on “secret and oral transmissions “ because these were the methods employed by the 8 heretical schools he refuted /“medieval Fugi school and the Tendai lineages of their day”-
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> If you read Nichiren’s writings you’ll find numerous references to the importance of relying on authentic scripture, the authentic writings of the founder !
>
> Nichiren instructed his disciples in debate based on a purely scriptuslist perspective. (Reply to Yasaburo”) Why would anyone use anything but Nichiren’s authenticicated writings as the basis for establishing the correct doctrines of Nichiren’s Buddhism ?? —— Maybe because Shoshu/Gakkai are ignorant of the transgressions of their lineage and of both points I mention above —?
>
> There are major differences between Nichirend doctrines and those of SGI/NST, and that is due solely to the former being based entirely on Nichiren’s authentic teachings.
>
> ~ Katie Higgins
1. Once again, believing that Shakyamuni is the name of the eternal Buddha is fatuous. The name "Lion of the Shakyas" is not older than the Shakyas of Northern India, and that tribal name could not possibly be older than when humans migrated to the Indian subcontinent 60,000 years ago, probably more like 6,000 years old. Yours is a ridiculous assertion on its face. You need to admit this and stop quoting anyone so divorced from reality as to assert differently, Katie Higgins and Mark Rogow, or you sound like a tone-deaf violin soloist. The name of the eternal Buddha is "Myoho-Renge".
2. Shakyamuni himself in the Life Span chapter says he appears under different names and clearly then also different guises preaching the Lotus Sutra elsewhere. So, Shakyamuni is not even HIS eternal name. You need to admit this and stop quoting anyone so divorced from reality as to assert differently.
3. Shakyamuni makes it clear that he had predecessors: grandfather, father, and elder brothers preaching the Lotus Sutra in different Buddha realms. He makes it clear that they are not him. When they preach the Jiga-Ge, he will be summoned to assemble along with all the other Buddhas, as those preaching the Lotus Sutra raise the treasure tower. All the Buddhas are summoned thus, whenever someone chants the daimoku of the essential teaching. You need to admit this and stop quoting anyone so divorced from reality as to assert differently.
The Lotus Sutra is the truth, the supreme teaching shining like the sun, its rays revealing what is the whole and eternal truth and what is an expedient means to lead someone to the whole and eternal truth. Self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho which conflict with the truth of the Lotus Sutra are by definition, evil and corrupted.
-Chas.
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On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 6:42:06 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Essentially your argument is with Nichiren- and your position is not tenable for reasons you refuse to accept —- The identity of the Buddha is a major doctrine of Nichiren’s Lotus Sutra Buddhism . He identifies the Buddha by name in his original writings.Shskysmuni is the name Nichiren designates , replete with explanation that resolves your conflicted notions regarding the historical Buddha, Shakyamuni . Since you have no original , authenticated writing that supports your doctrine identifying the Buddha as Nichiren and no original writing that identifies an “ entity “ named Myoho-renge-kyo”, you have failed to establish your views as Nichiren’s doctrine.
>
> Your doctrine is kanto Tendai. You believe the Shoshu priests who corrupted Nichiren’s teachings 200 years after Nichiren’s passing - forging documents “secret transmissions, secret transfers and oral transmissions “ that did not exist until the 1500’s. Your SGI and NST have no interest in authenticating documents and Shodhu refuses to submit some of these for inspection . - Your beliefs are heretical. They do not accord with Nichiren’s authentic teachings.
>
> Thanks for making your errors so plain!
> Your recycled spam fests are particularly revealing of the deprived confition of the life of s slanderous hobo!!
>
> ~ Katie Higgins
It comes down to this, Katie Higgins, Mark Rogow and their mentor Jackie Stone:
Either you have faith that the Lotus Sutra is supreme above all others in the past, present and future, or you do not.
From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude," WND I, p. 711:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/88#para-146
... In the fifth volume of the Lotus Sutra, the Buddha states,
... “Manjushrī, this Lotus Sutra is the secret storehouse of the
... Buddhas, the Thus Come Ones. AMONG THE SUTRAS, IT HOLDS THE
... HIGHEST PLACE.
...
... If this passage of the scripture is to be believed, then THE
... LOTUS SUTRA MUST REPRESENT THE CORRECT TEACHING THAT DWELLS
... SUPREME above the Mahāvairochana and all the numerous other
... sutras.
Furthermore, from the same Gosho. p. 730:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/88#para-291
... ... THE CORRECT TEACHING THAT STANDS ABOVE ALL THE BUDDHAS
... AND BODHISATTVAS, THE PEOPLE OF THE TWO VEHICLES, AND ALL
... THE HEAVENLY AND HUMAN BEINGS, ASURAS, AND DRAGON DEITIES.
Finally, from "The Selection of the Time," WND I, p. 565:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/66#para-166
... I-hsing appeared to find this reasonable, and the Tripitaka
... Master Shan-wu-wei then said to him: “Just as the Great
... Teacher T’ien-t’ai wrote commentaries on the Lotus Sutra,
... so I would like to compose a commentary on the
... Mahāvairochana Sutra in order to propagate the True Word
... teachings. Could you write it down for me?” I-hsing
... replied, “That would be easy enough.”
...
... “But in what way should I write?” I-hsing asked, saying:
... “The T’ien-t’ai school is unassailable, and though each of
... the other schools of Buddhism has competed in trying to
... refute its doctrines, none has gained the slightest success
... because of a single point. THAT POINT IS THE FACT THAT IN
... THE IMMEASURABLE MEANINGS SUTRA, AN INTRODUCTORY TEACHING
... TO THE LOTUS SUTRA, THE BUDDHA DECLARES THAT IN THE VARIOUS
... SUTRAS THAT HE HAS PREACHED DURING THE PREVIOUS FORTY AND
... MORE YEARS HE HAS NOT YET REVEALED THE TRUTH, thus
... invalidating the doctrines based upon those various sutras.
... And in the ‘Teacher of the Law’ and ‘Supernatural Powers’
... chapters of the Lotus Sutra, THE BUDDHA STATES THAT NO
... SUTRAS THAT WILL BE PREACHED IN LATER TIMES CAN EVER EQUAL
... THE LOTUS SUTRA. In the passage of the ‘Teacher of the Law’
... chapter CONCERNING THE COMPARISON OF THE LOTUS SUTRA AND
... OTHERS PREACHED AT THE SAME TIME, HE ALSO MAKES CLEAR THE
... SUPERIORITY OF THE LOTUS SUTRA. To which of these three
... categories—the sutras preached before the Lotus Sutra,
... those preached contemporaneously with it, or those preached
... later—should the Mahāvairochana Sutra be assigned?”
I would paraphrase I-hsing's question to the Tripitaka Master Shan-wu-wei:
To which of these three categories—the sutras preached before the Lotus Sutra, those preached contemporaneously with it, or those preached later—should the Gosho be assigned?
It is a rhetorical question in all three cases, because the Gosho, and any literal or self-serving interpretations of it you might make, must bow to the supreme teaching of the Lotus Sutra. That is, if you agree with Nichiren Daishonin in the 4th of the five major writings, "The Selection of the Time," and the 5th of the five major writings, "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude," above.
Since he is right and that is true and (1) the Lotus Sutra describes 23,212 other Buddhas that Shakyamuni predicts to preach the Lotus Sutra in their Buddha realms after him and that (2) his grandfather, father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and 15 elder brothers preached the Lotus Sutra in their Buddha realms before him and (3) that in the Life Span chapter the Buddha foretells that he himself will preach the Lotus Sutra in the future, under "different names", then it is quite clear that Shakyamuni is not only NOT the name of the eternal Buddha, IT IS NOT EVEN HIS ETERNAL NAME.
Then there are many Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra, and all of them are, individually and collectively, the Buddha of the essential teaching when they preach the essential teaching of the Lotus Sutra that contains the one true Law.
And then that is also true of each person who has, is or will be reciting the one essential phrase of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.
And that is a stake in the heart of your vampire teaching falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.
-Chas.
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On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 7:47:03 PM UTC-7, Mark Rogow wrote:
> As Nichiren teaches Katie, those who reject Shakyamuni Buddha can not distinguish between black and white. Noel and Chas fall into this category.
>
> Mark
Refusing to falsely deify Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah IS NOT REJECTING HIM. It is elevating him from the lowly false status of Shinto God over the Buddhas to an actual Buddha.
-Chas.
___________________________________________________________
On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 2:37:03 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> The topic is the teachings that Nichiren establish Nichiren’s doctrines. Mark and I have proffered Nichiren’s original, authentic writings to support the doctrine of The Three Treasures , specifically the Treasure of the Buddha. Based entirely on Nichiten’s own words, it is clear that Shakyamuni is the Treasure of the Buddha.
>
> You, @chas , have not provided passages of Nichiren’s authentic writings to support your argument against Shakyamuni Buddha-as the One Buddha we should revere, and the One Buddha to whom we owe the greatest debt of gratitude. Instead you discredit Nichiren’s original teachings , claiming Nichiren is “a Buddha employing expedients “—and again , you provide nothing in Nichiren’s own hand to support your views .
>
> Maybe you don’t realize that you are essentially admitting you aren’t practicing Nichiren’s teachings —-You have admitted that Ikeda is your “mentor in life” and the person you follow , depend on regarding the “teachings “ you practice. I have stated many times I follow Nichiren, I have no need for another mentor.
>
> So, you are wrong stating I follow Nichiren Shu. You are wrong stating that Jackie Stone is “ my mentor in life” Jackie Stone has written extensively, as a Buddhist scholar , about the history that supports Nichiren Shu’s dedication to purifying the writings, that is; authenticating Nichiren’s writings. Why? Because only the authentic writings of Nichiren provide the actual teachings that are the basis for Nichiren’s doctrines.
>
> You , @chas, may not care that your “mentor in life” ,Ikeda, teaches based on the proven forgeries of your arch enemy , Nichiren Shoshu. You may not care that your “ mentor in life” actually has gone even further to corrupt Nichiren’s teachings than your arch enemy , Nichiren Shoshu. What you need to realize , however, is that you cannot challenge Nichiren’s doctrines using the teachings of your “ mentor in life”—What you have done is establish your “alternative to Nichiren” religion and displayed the base mindedness of one who seeks to legitimize his/her beliefs using the name of a person they have stolen from and disregarded on the most fundamental level. That would be Nichiren —-
>
> Yes, your unfounded snide accusations are as revealing as your abject ignorance of all matters that are significant to doctrinal debate, but neither revelation about you is as stunning as your foolish dismissal of the original writings of Nichiren. Your disregard for the truth sets you apart from the innocent victims of Ikeda’s slander of Nichiren, the Lotus and Shakyamuni.
>
> ~ Katie Higgins
The fact that you continually misstate my position is simply another reason to doubt your intellectual honesty.
You say I abandon Shakyamuni, when I only have shown the temerity, the effrontery, to not falsely deify him as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.
Shakyamuni of the 6000 year-old Shakya clan is not the name of the eternal Buddha of Kuon Ganjo, Katie. In the Life Span chapter, he says it is not even HIS eternal name. There is only one eternal name for the eternal Buddha and that is the one we chant, Myoho-Renge.
You say I abandon Nichiren Daishonin and his writings, when I simply refuse to place them above the supreme teaching of the Lotus Sutra, and thus reject your literal and self-serving interpretation of the Gosho that calls the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies.
You have lost all credibility due to your distorting rhetoric, your clear and utter hatred of the Lotus Sutra, your false deification of Shakyamuni that would have wounded him deeply since he inserted so many declarations and predictions in the Lotus Sutra precisely to make clear that he was one among many Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra and not some monotheistic God, and finally ... due to your forcing your literal and self-serving interpretations down the throat of Nichiren Daishonin, who would have never cast any doubts whatsoever about a single character of the Lotus Sutra, and was only forced through the circumstances of the time to use the expedient means of calling the eternal Buddha as the only Buddha of the Lotus Sutra they knew, named Shakyamuni: to communicate effectively with the Buddhists of the time, to lead them to the truth and the Gohonzon.
Shakyamuni of the essential teaching IS the eternal Buddha, the same as his father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence WHEN HE preached the essential teaching to his 16th son, who later became Shakyamuni.
-Chas.
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Quoting from - "The Royal Palace" - Writings of Nichiren Daishonin p. 489 ...
In all worldly affairs, those who oppose their parents or disobey their ruler incur the wrath of heaven for their unfilial or disloyal conduct. But if one's parent or ruler becomes an enemy of the Lotus Sutra, then disobedience is an act of filial piety and repays one's debt of gratitude to the nation. Therefore, since I first read the Lotus Sutra, I have upheld my faith without faltering, even though my parents implored me, with their palms joined, to desist, and even though my teacher disowned me, the lord of Kamakura [the regent] twice exiled me, and I nearly had my head cut off. Because I have persevered without fear, there are now people who think my teachings may be true. Nichiren may well be the only person in all Japan to disobey sovereign, parents, and teacher, and yet still in the end receive the protection of the heavenly gods.
On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 7:12:16 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
>
> Formal doctrinal debate is decided on relevance of arguments to direct quotes from authentic scripture.
>
> You lose, @chas because you spew arbitrary views and disregard the evidence shown to you that it is you who is not in accord with Nichiren and clueless about the Lotus Sutra. Your links and conjectures are pretty lame--- but the fact that you don't seem to know how to participate in a doctrinal debate is laughable--.
>
> The "all too human Shakaymuni" did not preach the "Life Span chapter", the Essential teaching that Nichiren placed faith in and lived! That would be the Eternal Shakyamuni Buddha-- as described quite clearly in the Kanjin Honzon Sho-- extant in Nichiren's own hand, written in Classical Chinese, And it is the Eternal Shakyamuni whose image is the Gohonzon.
>
> Specific quotes from the Kanjn Honzon Sho have been posted multiple times. Sincere practitioners of Nichiren's Lotus sutra Buddhism read the entire Gosho-- which apparently you have not!
>
> ~Katie
Any self-serving literal interpretation of the Gosho that you wield as a weapon against the eternal truth of the supreme teaching of the Lotus Sutra has been declared "not to be accepted" by Nichiren Daishonin:
From "The Opening of the Eyes," WND I, p. 263:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-237
. . . I must observe sadly that, although it would be simple
. . . enough to point out the error of the views propounded by
. . . these men, if I did so, the people of today would not even
. . . look in my direction. They would go on in their erroneous
. . . ways and, in the end, would slander me to the ruler of the
. . . country and put my life in jeopardy. Nevertheless, our
. . . merciful father Shakyamuni Buddha, when he faced his end in
. . . the grove of sal trees, stated as his dying instructions
. . . that we are to “rely on the Law and not upon persons.” “Not
. . . relying upon persons” means that when persons of the first,
. . . second, third, and fourth ranks preach, even though they
. . . are bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and Manjushrī who
. . . have attained the stage of near-perfect enlightenment, IF
. . . THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN HAND, THEN THEY ARE
. . . NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.
Your entire set of arguments has no doctrinal basis because of that. You lose, and that means you lose big time, countless kalpas.
Let's choose a referee/judge that is neutral, unlike cael...@gmail.com, your shill.
I choose Noel, who has a low opinion of the SGI, Sensei and myself.
Let "Noel the Neutral" judge who is winning this rhetorical battle. If it goes against me, I'll live with that.
-Chas.
___________________________________________________________
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 3:38:34 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> I think not - the arbitrator for the correct doctrine of Nichiren’s Buddhism is Nichiren himself ; Nichiren’s own words from original writings in accordance with Nichirens standards for doctrinal debates.
>
> Original writings were presented , but you don’t yield to Nichiren’s own words. That is your personal weakness , and you compound it suggesting another “ person “(Noel) because of his negative “personal biases “, should be the arbitrator !!
>
> Both you and Noel rely on persons to inform your beliefs , but neither of you know that though you differ , like Gakkai v. Shoshu, the “ persons “ Nd their “ methods who established what you believe is Nichiren’s teaching , are the same “ persons you both emulate!
>
> J.Stone rattles yout cages by revealing your lineage to be corrupt and heretical , which is why you attack and dismiss her work . Nevertheless, she very thoroughly writes about the history neither of you want to know -/ but it may interest readers here to learn :
>
> “ The equation of Nichiren with the original boos not easily reconciled with Nichiren’s own clear reverence for Sakyamuni as ‘parent, teacher and sovereign ‘ of all living beings, and this particular strand of Buddhist thought had been much criticized by other Nichiren schools. In recent decades , it has come under attack for lack of basis in Nichiren’s writings by those sectarian scholars of Nichirenshu intent on purifying the Nichiren corpus of apocryphal works as a basis for establishing a normative doctrine ,a project in which the present-day inheritors of the Fuji lineage — Nichiren Shoshu— have evinced little interesting. But authenticated writings of a founder are not the only basis upon which religious traditions have , historically, chosen to argue their authority. Scholars of the medieval Fuji school, like the Tendai lineages of their day, based interpretations of doctrine and their claims to legitimacy less on original texts than on secret transmissions , a hermeneutical approach that its modern descendants have in large part inherited.” —- Original Enlightenment and the Transformation of Medieval Japanese Buddhism “, J.Stone / pp. 342-3.
>
> Not breaking news that Shoshu has little interest in “purifying the Nichiren corpus of apocryphal works “ — It is news to their members and Gakkai members that 1) There are a great many fake writings in their collection of Nichiren’s writings and 2) Nichiren warmed against relying on “secret and oral transmissions “ because these were the methods employed by the 8 heretical schools he refuted /“medieval Fugi school and the Tendai lineages of their day”-
>
> If you read Nichiren’s writings you’ll find numerous references to the importance of relying on authentic scripture, the authentic writings of the founder !
>
> Nichiren instructed his disciples in debate based on a purely scriptuslist perspective. (Reply to Yasaburo”) Why would anyone use anything but Nichiren’s authenticicated writings as the basis for establishing the correct doctrines of Nichiren’s Buddhism ?? —— Maybe because Shoshu/Gakkai are ignorant of the transgressions of their lineage and of both points I mention above —?
>
> There are major differences between Nichirend doctrines and those of SGI/NST, and that is due solely to the former being based entirely on Nichiren’s authentic teachings.
>
> ~ Katie Higgins
1. Once again, believing that Shakyamuni is the name of the eternal Buddha is fatuous. The name "Lion of the Shakyas" is not older than the Shakyas of Northern India, and that tribal name could not possibly be older than when humans migrated to the Indian subcontinent 60,000 years ago, probably more like 6,000 years old. Yours is a ridiculous assertion on its face. You need to admit this and stop quoting anyone so divorced from reality as to assert differently, Katie Higgins and Mark Rogow, or you sound like a tone-deaf violin soloist. The name of the eternal Buddha is "Myoho-Renge".
2. Shakyamuni himself in the Life Span chapter says he appears under different names and clearly then also different guises preaching the Lotus Sutra elsewhere. So, Shakyamuni is not even HIS eternal name. You need to admit this and stop quoting anyone so divorced from reality as to assert differently.
3. Shakyamuni makes it clear that he had predecessors: grandfather, father, and elder brothers preaching the Lotus Sutra in different Buddha realms. He makes it clear that they are not him. When they preach the Jiga-Ge, he will be summoned to assemble along with all the other Buddhas, as those preaching the Lotus Sutra raise the treasure tower. All the Buddhas are summoned thus, whenever someone chants the daimoku of the essential teaching. You need to admit this and stop quoting anyone so divorced from reality as to assert differently.
The Lotus Sutra is the truth, the supreme teaching shining like the sun, its rays revealing what is the whole and eternal truth and what is an expedient means to lead someone to the whole and eternal truth. Self-serving literal interpretations of the Gosho which conflict with the truth of the Lotus Sutra are by definition, evil and corrupted.
-Chas.
___________________________________________________________
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 6:42:06 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Essentially your argument is with Nichiren- and your position is not tenable for reasons you refuse to accept —- The identity of the Buddha is a major doctrine of Nichiren’s Lotus Sutra Buddhism . He identifies the Buddha by name in his original writings.Shskysmuni is the name Nichiren designates , replete with explanation that resolves your conflicted notions regarding the historical Buddha, Shakyamuni . Since you have no original , authenticated writing that supports your doctrine identifying the Buddha as Nichiren and no original writing that identifies an “ entity “ named Myoho-renge-kyo”, you have failed to establish your views as Nichiren’s doctrine.
>
> Your doctrine is kanto Tendai. You believe the Shoshu priests who corrupted Nichiren’s teachings 200 years after Nichiren’s passing - forging documents “secret transmissions, secret transfers and oral transmissions “ that did not exist until the 1500’s. Your SGI and NST have no interest in authenticating documents and Shodhu refuses to submit some of these for inspection . - Your beliefs are heretical. They do not accord with Nichiren’s authentic teachings.
>
> Thanks for making your errors so plain!
> Your recycled spam fests are particularly revealing of the deprived confition of the life of s slanderous hobo!!
>
> ~ Katie Higgins
It comes down to this, Katie Higgins, Mark Rogow and their mentor Jackie Stone:
Either you have faith that the Lotus Sutra is supreme above all others in the past, present and future, or you do not.
From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude," WND I, p. 711:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/88#para-146
... In the fifth volume of the Lotus Sutra, the Buddha states,
... “Manjushrī, this Lotus Sutra is the secret storehouse of the
... Buddhas, the Thus Come Ones. AMONG THE SUTRAS, IT HOLDS THE
... HIGHEST PLACE.
...
... If this passage of the scripture is to be believed, then THE
... LOTUS SUTRA MUST REPRESENT THE CORRECT TEACHING THAT DWELLS
... SUPREME above the Mahāvairochana and all the numerous other
... sutras.
Furthermore, from the same Gosho. p. 730:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/88#para-291
... ... THE CORRECT TEACHING THAT STANDS ABOVE ALL THE BUDDHAS
... AND BODHISATTVAS, THE PEOPLE OF THE TWO VEHICLES, AND ALL
... THE HEAVENLY AND HUMAN BEINGS, ASURAS, AND DRAGON DEITIES.
Finally, from "The Selection of the Time," WND I, p. 565:
https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/66#para-166
... I-hsing appeared to find this reasonable, and the Tripitaka
... Master Shan-wu-wei then said to him: “Just as the Great
... Teacher T’ien-t’ai wrote commentaries on the Lotus Sutra,
... so I would like to compose a commentary on the
... Mahāvairochana Sutra in order to propagate the True Word
... teachings. Could you write it down for me?” I-hsing
... replied, “That would be easy enough.”
...
... “But in what way should I write?” I-hsing asked, saying:
... “The T’ien-t’ai school is unassailable, and though each of
... the other schools of Buddhism has competed in trying to
... refute its doctrines, none has gained the slightest success
... because of a single point. THAT POINT IS THE FACT THAT IN
... THE IMMEASURABLE MEANINGS SUTRA, AN INTRODUCTORY TEACHING
... TO THE LOTUS SUTRA, THE BUDDHA DECLARES THAT IN THE VARIOUS
... SUTRAS THAT HE HAS PREACHED DURING THE PREVIOUS FORTY AND
... MORE YEARS HE HAS NOT YET REVEALED THE TRUTH, thus
... invalidating the doctrines based upon those various sutras.
... And in the ‘Teacher of the Law’ and ‘Supernatural Powers’
... chapters of the Lotus Sutra, THE BUDDHA STATES THAT NO
... SUTRAS THAT WILL BE PREACHED IN LATER TIMES CAN EVER EQUAL
... THE LOTUS SUTRA. In the passage of the ‘Teacher of the Law’
... chapter CONCERNING THE COMPARISON OF THE LOTUS SUTRA AND
... OTHERS PREACHED AT THE SAME TIME, HE ALSO MAKES CLEAR THE
... SUPERIORITY OF THE LOTUS SUTRA. To which of these three
... categories—the sutras preached before the Lotus Sutra,
... those preached contemporaneously with it, or those preached
... later—should the Mahāvairochana Sutra be assigned?”
I would paraphrase I-hsing's question to the Tripitaka Master Shan-wu-wei:
To which of these three categories—the sutras preached before the Lotus Sutra, those preached contemporaneously with it, or those preached later—should the Gosho be assigned?
It is a rhetorical question in all three cases, because the Gosho, and any literal or self-serving interpretations of it you might make, must bow to the supreme teaching of the Lotus Sutra. That is, if you agree with Nichiren Daishonin in the 4th of the five major writings, "The Selection of the Time," and the 5th of the five major writings, "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude," above.
Since he is right and that is true and (1) the Lotus Sutra describes 23,212 other Buddhas that Shakyamuni predicts to preach the Lotus Sutra in their Buddha realms after him and that (2) his grandfather, father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and 15 elder brothers preached the Lotus Sutra in their Buddha realms before him and (3) that in the Life Span chapter the Buddha foretells that he himself will preach the Lotus Sutra in the future, under "different names", then it is quite clear that Shakyamuni is not only NOT the name of the eternal Buddha, IT IS NOT EVEN HIS ETERNAL NAME.
Then there are many Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra, and all of them are, individually and collectively, the Buddha of the essential teaching when they preach the essential teaching of the Lotus Sutra that contains the one true Law.
And then that is also true of each person who has, is or will be reciting the one essential phrase of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.
And that is a stake in the heart of your vampire teaching falsely deifying Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.
-Chas.
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On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 7:47:03 PM UTC-7, Mark Rogow wrote:
> As Nichiren teaches Katie, those who reject Shakyamuni Buddha can not distinguish between black and white. Noel and Chas fall into this category.
>
> Mark
Refusing to falsely deify Shakyamuni as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah IS NOT REJECTING HIM. It is elevating him from the lowly false status of Shinto God over the Buddhas to an actual Buddha.
-Chas.
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On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 2:37:03 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> The topic is the teachings that Nichiren establish Nichiren’s doctrines. Mark and I have proffered Nichiren’s original, authentic writings to support the doctrine of The Three Treasures , specifically the Treasure of the Buddha. Based entirely on Nichiten’s own words, it is clear that Shakyamuni is the Treasure of the Buddha.
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> You, @chas , have not provided passages of Nichiren’s authentic writings to support your argument against Shakyamuni Buddha-as the One Buddha we should revere, and the One Buddha to whom we owe the greatest debt of gratitude. Instead you discredit Nichiren’s original teachings , claiming Nichiren is “a Buddha employing expedients “—and again , you provide nothing in Nichiren’s own hand to support your views .
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> Maybe you don’t realize that you are essentially admitting you aren’t practicing Nichiren’s teachings —-You have admitted that Ikeda is your “mentor in life” and the person you follow , depend on regarding the “teachings “ you practice. I have stated many times I follow Nichiren, I have no need for another mentor.
>
> So, you are wrong stating I follow Nichiren Shu. You are wrong stating that Jackie Stone is “ my mentor in life” Jackie Stone has written extensively, as a Buddhist scholar , about the history that supports Nichiren Shu’s dedication to purifying the writings, that is; authenticating Nichiren’s writings. Why? Because only the authentic writings of Nichiren provide the actual teachings that are the basis for Nichiren’s doctrines.
>
> You , @chas, may not care that your “mentor in life” ,Ikeda, teaches based on the proven forgeries of your arch enemy , Nichiren Shoshu. You may not care that your “ mentor in life” actually has gone even further to corrupt Nichiren’s teachings than your arch enemy , Nichiren Shoshu. What you need to realize , however, is that you cannot challenge Nichiren’s doctrines using the teachings of your “ mentor in life”—What you have done is establish your “alternative to Nichiren” religion and displayed the base mindedness of one who seeks to legitimize his/her beliefs using the name of a person they have stolen from and disregarded on the most fundamental level. That would be Nichiren —-
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> Yes, your unfounded snide accusations are as revealing as your abject ignorance of all matters that are significant to doctrinal debate, but neither revelation about you is as stunning as your foolish dismissal of the original writings of Nichiren. Your disregard for the truth sets you apart from the innocent victims of Ikeda’s slander of Nichiren, the Lotus and Shakyamuni.
>
> ~ Katie Higgins
The fact that you continually misstate my position is simply another reason to doubt your intellectual honesty.
You say I abandon Shakyamuni, when I only have shown the temerity, the effrontery, to not falsely deify him as a manGod like Jesus, or as God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth like Yahweh/Elohim/Jehovah/Allah.
Shakyamuni of the 6000 year-old Shakya clan is not the name of the eternal Buddha of Kuon Ganjo, Katie. In the Life Span chapter, he says it is not even HIS eternal name. There is only one eternal name for the eternal Buddha and that is the one we chant, Myoho-Renge.
You say I abandon Nichiren Daishonin and his writings, when I simply refuse to place them above the supreme teaching of the Lotus Sutra, and thus reject your literal and self-serving interpretation of the Gosho that calls the true teaching of the Lotus Sutra a pack of lies.
You have lost all credibility due to your distorting rhetoric, your clear and utter hatred of the Lotus Sutra, your false deification of Shakyamuni that would have wounded him deeply since he inserted so many declarations and predictions in the Lotus Sutra precisely to make clear that he was one among many Buddhas preaching the Lotus Sutra and not some monotheistic God, and finally ... due to your forcing your literal and self-serving interpretations down the throat of Nichiren Daishonin, who would have never cast any doubts whatsoever about a single character of the Lotus Sutra, and was only forced through the circumstances of the time to use the expedient means of calling the eternal Buddha as the only Buddha of the Lotus Sutra they knew, named Shakyamuni: to communicate effectively with the Buddhists of the time, to lead them to the truth and the Gohonzon.
Shakyamuni of the essential teaching IS the eternal Buddha, the same as his father Great Universal Wisdom Excellence WHEN HE preached the essential teaching to his 16th son, who later became Shakyamuni.
-Chas.
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Quoting from - "The Royal Palace" - Writings of Nichiren Daishonin p. 489 ...
In all worldly affairs, those who oppose their parents or disobey their ruler incur the wrath of heaven for their unfilial or disloyal conduct. But if one's parent or ruler becomes an enemy of the Lotus Sutra, then disobedience is an act of filial piety and repays one's debt of gratitude to the nation. Therefore, since I first read the Lotus Sutra, I have upheld my faith without faltering, even though my parents implored me, with their palms joined, to desist, and even though my teacher disowned me, the lord of Kamakura [the regent] twice exiled me, and I nearly had my head cut off. Because I have persevered without fear, there are now people who think my teachings may be true. Nichiren may well be the only person in all Japan to disobey sovereign, parents, and teacher, and yet still in the end receive the protection of the heavenly gods.
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