Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
Nikken's End #1C: Nichinyo's Scheme - Physical Zen Brutality -
38 views
Skip to first unread message
Disbasing Zen Stories
May 8, 2016, 7:11:07 PM5/8/16
to
Nikken's End #1C: Nichinyo's Scheme - Physical Zen Brutality
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ...
. "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the
. ancient Western world is the absence of slavery. The
. caste system made formal slavery unnecessary in ancient
. India."
.
. - from The Two Classes of the Four-Fold Caste System, by
. Sudheer Birodkar.
In Nikken's Threefold World, which is "the world of unenlightened beings
who transmigrate within the Six Paths" ** [Hell, Hungry Spirits,
Animality, Anger, Humanity and Heaven] ... the 1st chapter describes the
structure of Nikken's World of Hungry Spirits.
** Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism
____ Background for Toxic Zen Stories ____________
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.zen/msg/b4ad0ce368728934?hl=en
________ Table of Contents _______________________
.
. A Family Conference
.
. The Static Financials of Nichiren Shoshu Temple
.
. The Perilous Legal State of the Succession
.
. The Burgening Financials of the Soka Gakkai and SGI
.
. The Growing Opportunity That Vanishes Quickly
.
. The Time Has Come To Negotiate a Price
.
. Definition of Hungry Spirits (Gaki)
.
. Getting Some Help
.
. The Survivor Gita
__________________________________________________
________ A Family Conference _____________________
In the Fall of 2006, still during the first year of Nichinyo Hayase's
tenure as High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu, there was a meeting of the
Hayase inner circle, organized by Giyu Hayase, the second-born son, at a
secret Hayase family location that was guaranteed to be private.
At the end of the previous year, Gikan Hayase, the first-born son, had
become the High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu, and hence, Chief Priest of
Taisekiji. He had received that from Nikken, the former High Priest,
since Nikken had no choice but to pass it down to a member of the
Hokikai faction.
There had been two major factions in the Fuji School and they were both
older than the name Nichiren Shoshu, adopted in 1912. The Hokikai
faction, headed by the top Hayase family member, now Gikan Hayase and
before by his father Nichiji, and the Myokankai faction of Nittatsu and
Nikken Abe and Nittatsu's family.
The civil war in Myokankai had started with Nittatsu, who was displeased
with his alternatives for a successor: either Nichiji of Hokikai or
Nikken Abe of Myokankai. This displeasure arrived upon hearing from
Nikken's mouth his assertion by his "skilled analysis" that the
Daigohonzon was fake (that surfaced embarrassingly in the Kawabe Memo in
the late 1990's, which saw Kawabe's son being summarily dismissed as
Chief Priest of the Washington, D.C. temple, which later burned to the
ground in an "accident"), and being pestered by elements of Nichiji's
Hokikai faction that it was "their turn" to be High Priest.
Nittatsu solved this problem by appointing no successor whatsoever, and
instead handing over the Transfer Box for Taisekiji Temple and Nichiren
Shoshu overall to his son-in-law for safe-keeping. This would guarantee
that whoever grabbed the top spot, would need to eventually hand it over
to a member of Nittatsu's family, or face endless court challenges and
challenges to their authority.
This totally surprised Nikken, when he appointed himself as High Priest
of Nichiren Shoshu after Nittatsu's death: http://www.nstemple.org/
Later, Nikken attempted to extort the Transfer Box from Nittatus's
family, by destroying one after another, all the wonderful works that
Nittatsu had created with Soka Gakkai cash during his term as High
Priest, ending with crushing Sho Hondo. However, Nittatsu's family held
fast and didn't give in (which would have been suicidal.)
Having betrayed the Myokankai so thoroughly, Nikken could not expect
someone there to receive the priesthood and then reliably hand it over
to Nikken's son. Blocked on that avenue, Nikken turned to his loyal
thug, Gikan Hayase. Although he was Hokikai, Gikan made assurances, was
appointed High Priest and then disappointed Nikken by showing his true
Hokikai colors. Now Gikan was High Priest Nichinyo, but that meant he
had inherited Nikken's fake position without the Transfer Box and all
the problems that Nikken had multiplied with no useful result, as well.
________ The Static Financials of ________________
________ Nichiren Shoshu Temple __________________
Giyu started off the secret meeting with an analysis of the financials
of Nichiren Shoshu Temple: they were no good!
After losing the SGI members offerings in the excommunication of 1991,
NST had expected that Tozan and Gohonzon reception would bring many
Gakkai members back to the Temple, but this had not worked as hoped.
After all these years, membership was still up and down across the map
of Temples, where there was growth it was glacial, and bleeding the
members for Gokuyo and various special Tozan donations had worn them
down to a nub.
The NST Priesthood was still a living, but not like before, they had
been living like royalty before the excommunication! The Nembutsu
priests would lord it over them now, with all their schemes for milking
the parishoners of money for prayers to receive the names of the dead in
the Western Realm. Now, Giyu's golfing expenses were killing him and he
really hated the cheaper fairways he had to navigate.
Nikken Abe's wasteful reign of Nittatsu destruction had cost countless
millions, had driven away members and driven down the remaining
members' donations out of despair. In addition, Nikken's cronies had
secretly plundered what land and other assets remained, so that there
was literally nothing left that could be easily and inconspicuously
converted to cash, if the need arose.
________ The Perilous Legal State ________________
________ of the Succession _______________________
Giyu continued with a discussion of the ultimate nightmare scenario.
What was the worst possible outcome, was the continuing threat of a
court action, action by state agency or something else that would force
them to stand and deliver the Transfer Box for Taisekiji to show that
they had, in fact, a validated High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu. This
could emerge instantly, without any warning.
And the knowledge of this state of affairs was completely public.
Once the request was official, their power to negotiate any safe landing
would be negligable. They might even have to pass the position of High
Priest to Nittatsu's family, simply to avoid prosecution for what little
plundering under false pretenses they had been able to achieve.
This potentiality was what gave Nichinyo sleepless nights.
________ The Burgening Financials of _____________
________ the Soka Gakkai and SGI _________________
Now, Giyu was going to discuss the state of the finances of the SGI
world. Nichinyo asked why the Temple should care? NST couldn't access
SGI funds, and SGI money could not easily be used to hurt the Temple.
Giyu responded: just wait.
He had heard that in Japan alone, the Soka Gakkai was approaching eight
million households.
The average Japanese household wealth was eighty thousand dollars or
eight million yen.
That meant that there were 640 billion dollars or an enormous 64
trillion yen of wealth in the Soka Gakkai Japanese membership, alone.
If you put the wealth in the rest of the SGI membership at a little over
12% of that, it made for 710 billion dollars and 71 trillion yen.
Then, if you add all the capital of SGI world together (buildings, cash,
investments) that put the total wealth of the Soka Gakkai, the SGI and
its members, conservatively at an astonishing 750 billion dollars or 75
trillion yen.
Everyone in the room was impressed with this number, and inwardly,
Nichinyo cursed Nikken.
________ The Growing Opportunity _________________
________ That Vanishes Instantly _________________
Giyu sums up these points:
1. The Hayase cannot convert Temple assets easily into cash, nor can we
raise much more from the Hokkeko members.
2. The Hayase cannot gain legitimacy as High Priest, but we can lose
everything easily and quickly, probably to the Myokankai family of
Nittatsu: ultimately this will be what happens at some point.
3. However, there is a mountain of cash available from the SGI world as
it stands now, for the right deal.
4. What the Hayase control completely is the Temple at Taisekiji,
because Nichinyo is Chief Priest of this temple to cut the deal, and
Nichinyo is the High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu that could block the
deal.
5. Therefore, the Hayase can sell Taisekiji in a secret deal to the Soka
Gakkai for many, many trillions of yen, and hand it over in an hour,
under the right conditions.
6. This is the one and only way that the Hayase can control their fate.
The question was asked, how could you get away with this? Giyu said
offshore banking, or Delaware limited partnerships.
To the question of how could Taisekiji be physically secured in the
handover, Nichinyo mentioned that an alert status could be invented,
forcing anyone not totally loyal to the Hayase and Hokikai to
temporarily be away from Fujinomiya. Insiders in and outsiders out.
Then we can all build our castles in Maui, Giyu said. But there is a
problem.
Daisaku Ikeda has grown old, and the Temple analysis has been that when
he dies, there will be a frenzy of splitting and struggles over control
of the organization. That mountain of cash will splinter and vanish
quickly at that point. Until that point the mountain grows. Waiting is
good, waiting just a little too long is very bad.
Nichinyo mentioned that the reasoning was sound, and that in the recent
video, Daisaku Ikeda had appeared robust.
The secret meeting adjourned.
________ The Time Has Come To Negotiate a Price __________
Almost ten years later, Nichinyo punches his iPhone and speaks into it
to a very close confidante, and tells him to make the connection to his
opposite number and come up with a robust price. He was gazing at a
picture of an enormous and lush beachfront estate in Maui.
________ Definition of Hungry Spirits (gaki) ______________
From:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/H/84
. Also, hungry ghosts. Spirits who suffer from hunger and
. thirst as karmic retribution for their greed, selfishness,
. and jealousy while they were alive. Buddhist scriptures
. describe hungry spirits as beings with throats as small as
. needles and distended bellies. The realm of hungry spirits
. is said to be located five hundred yojanas beneath the
. earth, above the realm of hell. In that realm, food and
. drink turn into flames and torment the inhabitants. The
. realm of hungry spirits is one of the three or the four
. evil paths. From the standpoint of the doctrine of the Ten
. Worlds and their mutual possession, it represents a
. potential state or condition of life in which one is
. tormented by relentless craving. Hungry spirits are called
. preta in Sanskrit, which in ancient India meant the spirits
. of the dead. In China and Japan, the story of
. Maudgalyayana?s saving his mother from the realm of hungry
. spirits is well known. See also service for deceased
. ancestors.
________ Getting Some Help _______________________
If you are a Nichiren Shoshu Priest, or a Hokkeko member from anywhere
in the world, and are thinking about switching to the Soka Gakkai (SGI)
call or contact the Headquarters at SGI Plaza in the 90401 zip
code:http://www.sgi-usa.org/find-us/
Tell them that you are a Nichiren Shoshu Priest or Hokkeko member, and
wish to speak to someone about the SGI, and what to do.
________ The Survivor Gita _______________________
Who will replace the "Sen'ou Nezumi" ?
Nikken, the Usurper King of the Rats at Taisekiji, has been replaced by
Nichinyo, who is an angry member of the elite, due to too many blows to
the head. A little punchy, and brief in his rule, since Nikken has plans
for his son to take over.
One thing that is known for certain: There will be a new Rat King. And
quickly there will be another.
Another thing that is known for certain: All the alliances will change,
and more than once. Anyone that has watched Survivor knows this.
Rule Number Zero:
The War of the Rodents can only be won by ... King Rat.
More to come ... These questions will be answered !!!
-Chas.
_____________________________________________
LS Chap. 16 ...
Such is the power of my wisdom
that its sagacious beams shine without measure.
This life span of countless kalpas
I gained as the result of lengthy practice.
Related posts:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.zen/disbasing$20zen
--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ...
. "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the
. ancient Western world is the absence of slavery. The
. caste system made formal slavery unnecessary in ancient
. India."
.
. - from The Two Classes of the Four-Fold Caste System, by
. Sudheer Birodkar.
In Nikken's Threefold World, which is "the world of unenlightened beings
who transmigrate within the Six Paths" ** [Hell, Hungry Spirits,
Animality, Anger, Humanity and Heaven] ... the 1st chapter describes the
structure of Nikken's World of Hungry Spirits.
** Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism
____ Background for Toxic Zen Stories ____________
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.zen/msg/b4ad0ce368728934?hl=en
________ Table of Contents _______________________
.
. A Family Conference
.
. The Static Financials of Nichiren Shoshu Temple
.
. The Perilous Legal State of the Succession
.
. The Burgening Financials of the Soka Gakkai and SGI
.
. The Growing Opportunity That Vanishes Quickly
.
. The Time Has Come To Negotiate a Price
.
. Definition of Hungry Spirits (Gaki)
.
. Getting Some Help
.
. The Survivor Gita
__________________________________________________
________ A Family Conference _____________________
In the Fall of 2006, still during the first year of Nichinyo Hayase's
tenure as High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu, there was a meeting of the
Hayase inner circle, organized by Giyu Hayase, the second-born son, at a
secret Hayase family location that was guaranteed to be private.
At the end of the previous year, Gikan Hayase, the first-born son, had
become the High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu, and hence, Chief Priest of
Taisekiji. He had received that from Nikken, the former High Priest,
since Nikken had no choice but to pass it down to a member of the
Hokikai faction.
There had been two major factions in the Fuji School and they were both
older than the name Nichiren Shoshu, adopted in 1912. The Hokikai
faction, headed by the top Hayase family member, now Gikan Hayase and
before by his father Nichiji, and the Myokankai faction of Nittatsu and
Nikken Abe and Nittatsu's family.
The civil war in Myokankai had started with Nittatsu, who was displeased
with his alternatives for a successor: either Nichiji of Hokikai or
Nikken Abe of Myokankai. This displeasure arrived upon hearing from
Nikken's mouth his assertion by his "skilled analysis" that the
Daigohonzon was fake (that surfaced embarrassingly in the Kawabe Memo in
the late 1990's, which saw Kawabe's son being summarily dismissed as
Chief Priest of the Washington, D.C. temple, which later burned to the
ground in an "accident"), and being pestered by elements of Nichiji's
Hokikai faction that it was "their turn" to be High Priest.
Nittatsu solved this problem by appointing no successor whatsoever, and
instead handing over the Transfer Box for Taisekiji Temple and Nichiren
Shoshu overall to his son-in-law for safe-keeping. This would guarantee
that whoever grabbed the top spot, would need to eventually hand it over
to a member of Nittatsu's family, or face endless court challenges and
challenges to their authority.
This totally surprised Nikken, when he appointed himself as High Priest
of Nichiren Shoshu after Nittatsu's death: http://www.nstemple.org/
Later, Nikken attempted to extort the Transfer Box from Nittatus's
family, by destroying one after another, all the wonderful works that
Nittatsu had created with Soka Gakkai cash during his term as High
Priest, ending with crushing Sho Hondo. However, Nittatsu's family held
fast and didn't give in (which would have been suicidal.)
Having betrayed the Myokankai so thoroughly, Nikken could not expect
someone there to receive the priesthood and then reliably hand it over
to Nikken's son. Blocked on that avenue, Nikken turned to his loyal
thug, Gikan Hayase. Although he was Hokikai, Gikan made assurances, was
appointed High Priest and then disappointed Nikken by showing his true
Hokikai colors. Now Gikan was High Priest Nichinyo, but that meant he
had inherited Nikken's fake position without the Transfer Box and all
the problems that Nikken had multiplied with no useful result, as well.
________ The Static Financials of ________________
________ Nichiren Shoshu Temple __________________
Giyu started off the secret meeting with an analysis of the financials
of Nichiren Shoshu Temple: they were no good!
After losing the SGI members offerings in the excommunication of 1991,
NST had expected that Tozan and Gohonzon reception would bring many
Gakkai members back to the Temple, but this had not worked as hoped.
After all these years, membership was still up and down across the map
of Temples, where there was growth it was glacial, and bleeding the
members for Gokuyo and various special Tozan donations had worn them
down to a nub.
The NST Priesthood was still a living, but not like before, they had
been living like royalty before the excommunication! The Nembutsu
priests would lord it over them now, with all their schemes for milking
the parishoners of money for prayers to receive the names of the dead in
the Western Realm. Now, Giyu's golfing expenses were killing him and he
really hated the cheaper fairways he had to navigate.
Nikken Abe's wasteful reign of Nittatsu destruction had cost countless
millions, had driven away members and driven down the remaining
members' donations out of despair. In addition, Nikken's cronies had
secretly plundered what land and other assets remained, so that there
was literally nothing left that could be easily and inconspicuously
converted to cash, if the need arose.
________ The Perilous Legal State ________________
________ of the Succession _______________________
Giyu continued with a discussion of the ultimate nightmare scenario.
What was the worst possible outcome, was the continuing threat of a
court action, action by state agency or something else that would force
them to stand and deliver the Transfer Box for Taisekiji to show that
they had, in fact, a validated High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu. This
could emerge instantly, without any warning.
And the knowledge of this state of affairs was completely public.
Once the request was official, their power to negotiate any safe landing
would be negligable. They might even have to pass the position of High
Priest to Nittatsu's family, simply to avoid prosecution for what little
plundering under false pretenses they had been able to achieve.
This potentiality was what gave Nichinyo sleepless nights.
________ The Burgening Financials of _____________
________ the Soka Gakkai and SGI _________________
Now, Giyu was going to discuss the state of the finances of the SGI
world. Nichinyo asked why the Temple should care? NST couldn't access
SGI funds, and SGI money could not easily be used to hurt the Temple.
Giyu responded: just wait.
He had heard that in Japan alone, the Soka Gakkai was approaching eight
million households.
The average Japanese household wealth was eighty thousand dollars or
eight million yen.
That meant that there were 640 billion dollars or an enormous 64
trillion yen of wealth in the Soka Gakkai Japanese membership, alone.
If you put the wealth in the rest of the SGI membership at a little over
12% of that, it made for 710 billion dollars and 71 trillion yen.
Then, if you add all the capital of SGI world together (buildings, cash,
investments) that put the total wealth of the Soka Gakkai, the SGI and
its members, conservatively at an astonishing 750 billion dollars or 75
trillion yen.
Everyone in the room was impressed with this number, and inwardly,
Nichinyo cursed Nikken.
________ The Growing Opportunity _________________
________ That Vanishes Instantly _________________
Giyu sums up these points:
1. The Hayase cannot convert Temple assets easily into cash, nor can we
raise much more from the Hokkeko members.
2. The Hayase cannot gain legitimacy as High Priest, but we can lose
everything easily and quickly, probably to the Myokankai family of
Nittatsu: ultimately this will be what happens at some point.
3. However, there is a mountain of cash available from the SGI world as
it stands now, for the right deal.
4. What the Hayase control completely is the Temple at Taisekiji,
because Nichinyo is Chief Priest of this temple to cut the deal, and
Nichinyo is the High Priest of Nichiren Shoshu that could block the
deal.
5. Therefore, the Hayase can sell Taisekiji in a secret deal to the Soka
Gakkai for many, many trillions of yen, and hand it over in an hour,
under the right conditions.
6. This is the one and only way that the Hayase can control their fate.
The question was asked, how could you get away with this? Giyu said
offshore banking, or Delaware limited partnerships.
To the question of how could Taisekiji be physically secured in the
handover, Nichinyo mentioned that an alert status could be invented,
forcing anyone not totally loyal to the Hayase and Hokikai to
temporarily be away from Fujinomiya. Insiders in and outsiders out.
Then we can all build our castles in Maui, Giyu said. But there is a
problem.
Daisaku Ikeda has grown old, and the Temple analysis has been that when
he dies, there will be a frenzy of splitting and struggles over control
of the organization. That mountain of cash will splinter and vanish
quickly at that point. Until that point the mountain grows. Waiting is
good, waiting just a little too long is very bad.
Nichinyo mentioned that the reasoning was sound, and that in the recent
video, Daisaku Ikeda had appeared robust.
The secret meeting adjourned.
________ The Time Has Come To Negotiate a Price __________
Almost ten years later, Nichinyo punches his iPhone and speaks into it
to a very close confidante, and tells him to make the connection to his
opposite number and come up with a robust price. He was gazing at a
picture of an enormous and lush beachfront estate in Maui.
________ Definition of Hungry Spirits (gaki) ______________
From:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/H/84
. Also, hungry ghosts. Spirits who suffer from hunger and
. thirst as karmic retribution for their greed, selfishness,
. and jealousy while they were alive. Buddhist scriptures
. describe hungry spirits as beings with throats as small as
. needles and distended bellies. The realm of hungry spirits
. is said to be located five hundred yojanas beneath the
. earth, above the realm of hell. In that realm, food and
. drink turn into flames and torment the inhabitants. The
. realm of hungry spirits is one of the three or the four
. evil paths. From the standpoint of the doctrine of the Ten
. Worlds and their mutual possession, it represents a
. potential state or condition of life in which one is
. tormented by relentless craving. Hungry spirits are called
. preta in Sanskrit, which in ancient India meant the spirits
. of the dead. In China and Japan, the story of
. Maudgalyayana?s saving his mother from the realm of hungry
. spirits is well known. See also service for deceased
. ancestors.
________ Getting Some Help _______________________
If you are a Nichiren Shoshu Priest, or a Hokkeko member from anywhere
in the world, and are thinking about switching to the Soka Gakkai (SGI)
call or contact the Headquarters at SGI Plaza in the 90401 zip
code:http://www.sgi-usa.org/find-us/
Tell them that you are a Nichiren Shoshu Priest or Hokkeko member, and
wish to speak to someone about the SGI, and what to do.
________ The Survivor Gita _______________________
Who will replace the "Sen'ou Nezumi" ?
Nikken, the Usurper King of the Rats at Taisekiji, has been replaced by
Nichinyo, who is an angry member of the elite, due to too many blows to
the head. A little punchy, and brief in his rule, since Nikken has plans
for his son to take over.
One thing that is known for certain: There will be a new Rat King. And
quickly there will be another.
Another thing that is known for certain: All the alliances will change,
and more than once. Anyone that has watched Survivor knows this.
Rule Number Zero:
The War of the Rodents can only be won by ... King Rat.
More to come ... These questions will be answered !!!
-Chas.
_____________________________________________
LS Chap. 16 ...
Such is the power of my wisdom
that its sagacious beams shine without measure.
This life span of countless kalpas
I gained as the result of lengthy practice.
Related posts:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.zen/disbasing$20zen
--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---
Mark Rogow
May 9, 2016, 12:37:10 AM5/9/16
to
At it again Chas. Postng the same things over and over and over again. How boring. How futile!
Mark
Mark
Chas.
May 9, 2016, 1:38:54 AM5/9/16
to
On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 9:37:10 PM UTC-7, Mark Rogow wrote:
> At it again Chas. Postng the same things over and over and over again. How boring. How futile!
>
> Mark
Your powers of observation are diminished by chanting to statues, Buku Mark Rogow.
> At it again Chas. Postng the same things over and over and over again. How boring. How futile!
>
> Mark
I just wrote this 6 hours ago.
Dude!
-Chas.
Chas.
May 9, 2016, 1:40:42 AM5/9/16
to
-Chas.
Chas.
May 11, 2016, 1:06:55 AM5/11/16
to
Listening.
-Chas.
-Chas.
Chas.
May 11, 2016, 10:55:20 AM5/11/16
to
On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 10:06:55 PM UTC-7, Chas. wrote:
> Listening.
>
> -Chas.
Still listening.
-Chas.
> Listening.
>
> -Chas.
Still listening.
-Chas.
Alex Beauroy
May 11, 2016, 1:07:29 PM5/11/16
to
shit happening????"
You are the answer of this question : Chas still listening !!!!
@lex
Mark Rogow
May 11, 2016, 10:23:00 PM5/11/16
to
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita --
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of ...
2/21/10 by Disbanking Zen Stories - 9 posts by 8 authors - 3 views
Nikken's End #1B: Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality --
Nikken's End #1B: Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
2/21/10 by Disbanking Zen Stories - 6 posts by 5 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End - well he's retired now anyway...
He's in his late 80's now, his end didn't come, at least not yet. The endless prayers of a worldwide movement of supposedly 12 million Mr Ikeda ...
Jan 29 by iainx...@gmail.com - 33 posts by 5 authors - 22 views
Nikken's End #2A: Where's the Transfer Box, Nikken & Nichinyo? --
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
2/21/10 by Disbanking Zen Stories - 6 posts by 4 authors - 3 views
Nikken's End #2A: Where's the Transfer Box, Nikken & Nichinyo? -...(|
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 7 posts by 4 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni -{
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
5/9/12 by Chas. - 4 posts by 4 authors - 2 views
Nikken's End #6B: Hatred of Nichiren -...(|
Nikken's End #6B: Hatred of Nichiren - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of ...
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 8 posts by 4 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni -...(|
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 7 posts by 4 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita - ...(|
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of ...
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 7 posts by 4 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #3A: The Alliance -...(|
Nikken's End #3A: The Alliance - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the ...
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 6 posts by 4 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #1B: - Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality -...(|
Nikken's End #1B: - Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 6 posts by 4 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #1B: Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality -
Nikken's End #1B: Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
9/21/15 by Chas. - 19 posts by 4 authors - 17 views
Nikken's End #1C: Nichinyo's Scheme - Physical Zen Brutality -
Nikken's End #1C: Nichinyo's Scheme - Physical Zen Brutality Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
May 8 by Chas. - 7 posts by 3 authors - 9 views
Nikken's End #2A: Where's the Transfer Box, Nikken & Nichinyo? -{
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
5/8/12 by Chas. - 3 posts by 3 authors - 2 views
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] -...(|
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system ...
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 5 posts by 3 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #3B: The Purges Begin -...(|
Nikken's End #3B: The Purges Begin - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of ...
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 3 posts by 3 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #2B: The Takanos: Go Back, Little Shiba -...(|
Nikken's End #2B: The Takanos: Go Back, Little Shiba - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian ...
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 3 posts by 3 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #4: The Takanos: The Graduate? -...(|
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
11/23/11 by Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 4 posts by 3 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #2A: Where's the Transfer Box, Nikken & Nichinyo? -...)>
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
1/29/09 by Bratcher's Sho Hondo: ''We were in awe as the 65 foot high Butsudan doors opened' 4-8-97 - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] -'
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system ...
1/16/15 by Chas. - 3 posts by 2 authors - 4 views
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] -{
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from ...
5/9/12 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] -=
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from ...
1/5/12 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] -+.
Nikken's End #5: 2003 Tour de France [Chaude] Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from ...
8/1/11 by Disbarking Zen Stories - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni -"
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
12/8/14 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 2 views
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni -=
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
1/5/12 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #6B: Hatred of Nichiren -=
Nikken's End #6B: Hatred of Nichiren Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of ...
1/5/12 by High Priest Nikken: ''Gohonzon in sanctuary is fake.'' Kawabe Journal p. 51, 2-7-78 - 2 posts by 2 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #6B: Hatred of Nichiren -+.
Nikken's End #6B: Hatred of Nichiren Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of ...
8/1/11 by Disbarking Zen Stories - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni -+.
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
8/1/11 by Disbarking Zen Stories - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni --
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
3/15/10 by Nikken: ''[if asked] ... visited a red-light town while you were young?, just answer 'Yes, I did.' '' 5-94 - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni -...(*
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
11/27/09 by Bratcher's Sho Hondo: ''We were in awe as the 65 foot high Butsudan doors opened' 4-8-97 - 2 posts by 2 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni -...(!
Nikken's End #6A: The Semantics of Anger: Hatred of Shakyamuni - Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
6/21/09 by Bratcher's Sho Hondo: ''We were in awe as the 65 foot high Butsudan doors opened' 4-8-97 - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita -+.
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of ...
7/31/11 by Disbarking Zen Stories - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita -{
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of ...
5/8/12 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita -\
Nikken's End #1A: The Survivor Gita Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of ...
5/22/14 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #3B: The Purges Begin -+.
Nikken's End #3B: The Purges Begin Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the ...
8/1/11 by Disbarking Zen Stories - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #3A: The Alliance -{
Nikken's End #3A: The Alliance Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the ...
5/8/12 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #2B: The Takanos: Go Back, Little Shiba -+.
Nikken's End #2B: The Takanos: Go Back, Little Shiba Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian ...
7/31/11 by Disbarking Zen Stories - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #4: The Takanos: The Graduate? -+.
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
8/1/11 by Disbarking Zen Stories - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #4: The Takanos: The Graduate? -{
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
5/9/12 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #4: The Takanos: The Graduate? -=
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
1/5/12 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #4: The Takanos: The Graduate? -...(^
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
9/22/09 by Bratcher's Sho Hondo: ''We were in awe as the 65 foot high Butsudan doors opened' 4-8-97 - 2 posts by 2 authors - 0 views
Nikken's End #2B: The Takanos: Go Back, Little Shiba -{
Nikken's End #2B: The Takanos: Go Back, Little Shiba Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian ...
5/8/12 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 1 view
Nikken's End #1B: Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality -|
Nikken's End #1B: Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
12/22/13 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 5 views
Nikken's End #1B: Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality -{
Nikken's End #1B: Nichinyo (Gikan) Hayase - Physical Zen Brutality Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge .
5/8/12 by Chas. - 2 posts by 2 authors - 5 views
Nikken's End #2A: Where's the Transfer Box, Nikken & Nichinyo? -,,
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
5/31/15 by Chas. - 1 post by 1 author - 0 views
Nikken's End #2A: Where's the Transfer Box, Nikken & Nichinyo? -'
Nikken's End ? or NIKKEN ZENned ? You be the judge ... . "What distinguished the Indian system from that of the . ancient Western world is the ...
1/16/15 by Chas. - 2 posts by 1 author - 1 view
Chas.
May 11, 2016, 11:52:26 PM5/11/16
to
Point was, Mark, it was not a repost.
You were wrong.
-Chas.
You were wrong.
-Chas.
Mark Rogow
May 12, 2016, 9:47:38 AM5/12/16
to
The Soka Gakkai Yesterday and Today or Inconsistency from Beginning to End
Yesterday:
"Implicit in the March 16 ceremony was his [President Toda's]
profound instruction that kosen-rufu must
be carried out based solely on the Head Temple --
guidance which we must take deeply to heart. In
this connection, the sixty-sixth high priest, Nittatsu
Shonin, gave us guidance to the effect that the
ceremony in which we common mortals come to
the Head Temple and chant daimoku to the
Dai-Gohonzon, which embodies the life of the
Buddha of beginningless time, is the most fundamental
one. I want you to understand that our March 16
Kosen-rufu Day may be considered one form of
"kosen-rufu ceremony," which we carry out under
the mercy of the high priest, who, as the great
leader of kosen-rufu, directs us toward the Dai-Gohonzon."
Daisaku Ikeda, Seikyo Times, March 1986, p. 10
"The concept of manifesting the Buddha nature
inherent in an insentient image through the "eye opening
ceremony," thus making it an object of worship, also
applies to the Gohonzon..." Soka Gakkai MWND, Vol 4,
1994 revised edition.
"...the Gohonzons that we recieve are also the living flesh
of the Original Buddha whose eyes have been opened according
to the principles of the actual Ichinen Sanzen in the passages hidden
in depths of the Juryo Chapter and the true attainment of Buddhahood
by plants and trees. Why would this very Gohonzon not be
the true aspect of the eye opening of wooden and painted images?
This is absolutely not found in the heretical sects outside of
Nichiren Shoshu, and is a profoundly secret doctrine which only
Nichiren Shoshu possesses." Daisaku Ikeda Soka Gakkai Daibyaku Renge
"... the ceremony in which we common mortals come to the head
temple and daimoku to the Dai-Gohonzon, which embodies the life of
he Buddha of beginningless time, is the most fundamental one."
Daisaku Ikeda, Seikyo Times, March 1986, p. 10
"From the time our predecessor Makiguchi sensei, the Gakkai
has progressed according to the great spirit of not concerning ourselves
in any way concerning the position of the High Priest. In the future as well,
we will be consistent with this spirit. Those who violate this, even if they
are top leaders, are to be immediately expelled. This has to be
the spirit of believers."
Daisaku Ikeda, Seikyo Shimbun, 1/29/56
Today:
Each and every one of Shakyamuini's words tells
us that it was right for SGI to separate itself from the
ruinous [High Priest] Nikken sect. The SGI is
advancing straight along the "path to glory." The Nikken
sect is sliding irrevocably down the "path to ruin."
I want to make this perfectly clear to you all."
Daisaku Ikeda, World Tribune, September 13, 1993
Yesterday:
"It's no good unless these three, an excellent Law, an excellent
master and an excellent lay believer, are all present. Nam Myoho
Renge Kyo is of course the excellent Law. Furthermore, the High
Priests are the only ones who have recieved the Daishonin's teachings,
and as our masters, have transmitted to us the Daishonin's innermost
enlightenment exactly as it is with nothing lacking during 64 transmissions.
Therefore, when we worship the Dai-Gohonzon through the High Priest, benefits
will definitely come our way." The Complete Writings Of Josei Toda, Vol. 4, p. 399
"We, ourselves, cannot produce the Gohonzon. Since it's
the enlightened entity of Nichiren Daishonin,
no one has the authority other than the successive
high priests who have been the sole heirs to the
heritage of the True Law. We take no part in this.
Therefore, the objects of worship inscribed by those
in the Butsuryu and Minobu factions [of the Nichiren
Shu sect] are absolutely powerless. They are worthless
because they are fake. In fact, they contain the
power of evil spirits. That is why they are dangerous."
Former SGI president, Josei Toda, Daibyaku Renge, 98, p. 98.
"Members of the Minobu school of the Nichiren sect
chant daimoku. They have the Gosho Their
recitation of the sutra also includes the Hoben and
Juryo chapters. And, in the Shoshinkai, which consists
of ex-priests of Nichiren Shoshu , and the portions
of the sutra they recite and the daimoku that they
chant are identical to the practice we observe.
Though their religion may seem the same as ours, they
lack the single, unbroken heritage of the law
recieved directly from Nichiren Daishonin. If one's faith is
not based on this line of inheritance, it is worthless
to embrace any Gohonzon, for no benefit will be
forthcoming. That is to say, "Without the lifeblood of faith,
it would be useless to embrace the Lotus Sutra." "
Daisaku Ikeda, Buddhism in Action, vol 3, p 254
"What we must keep in mind here is that concerning the Lifeblood
there is the specific Lifeblood of the entity of the Law, and the general
lifeblood of faith. We must clearly differentiate between the two.
In short, the Lifeblood of the Entity of the Law, the very life of Nichiren
Daishonin, who is the reincarnation of the Buddha of Absolute Freedom,
is the ultimate Lifeblood, the most important matter concerning
life and death. The entity of the law which reveals the life of
the Daishonin in it's exact state, is the Dai-Gohonzon of Nam
Myoho Renge Kyo. That Lifeblood which is passed on and protected
by the successive High Priests of the conferral of the Lifeblood of
the Law recieved by only a single person." Daisaku Ikeda, Lectures on
Nichiren Daishonin's Gosho, Vol. 30, p. 58
Today:
"... we must deeply understand that the heritage of the
universal Law of Nam-myoho-renge-kyo can only
be transmitted through organizations [SGI] joined in
unity, based on faith in Nichiren Daishonin's
Buddhism and the principle of the oneness of master
and disciple." November 9, 1992 World Tribune
"Today the only true inheritor of the Daishonin's
way of master and disciple is the Soka Gakkai. I
declare this unequivocally. That's why the Soka
Gakkai is so important. Without our organization, the
True Law would be utterly lost. There would be
no way to save humanity. That is why supporting and
defending the Soka Gakkai are the same as
defending and advancing the Daishonin's Buddhism."
Daisaku Ikeda, World Tribune, September 14, 1992
Yesterday:
"The Dai-Gohonzon of the high sanctuary of true
Buddhism at the Nichiren Shoshu head temple,
Taiseki-ji, is the basis of all Gohonzons. The
Gohonzon, which we are allowed to recieve so that we can
pray in our own homes, can be inscribed only by
one of the successive high priests who inherit the true
lineage of Nichiren Shoshu." Daisaku Ikeda, Buddhism
in Action, vol. 1, pg. 21
"It goes without saying that our Soka Gakkai is an
organization of Nichiren Shoshu believers. Therefore,
worshipping the Dai-Gohonzon and serving the
high priest is the fundamental spirit of the Gakkai."
Daisaku Ikeda, Inaugural address of president Ikeda, 1960
"The basis of Nichiren Shoshu is the Lifeblood recieved only by
a single person. To faithfully follow the High Priest of the bequethal of the
Lifeblood is the correct way for priests and laybelievers. If one is
mistaken about this single point, then everything will become insane."
Daisaku Ikeda, Discussing Kosen-rufu and Human Life, Vol. 3, p. 32
Today:
"Thus, Nichiren Daishonin teaches us to treat the
SGI members who work for Kosenrufu with greater
respect than anyone else, and we must seat them
high above esteemed priests." Daisaku Ikeda, World
Tribune, March 14, 1994
"The [High Priest] Nikken sect, claiming that the High
Priest's inner enlightenment and the Gohonzon are
"the two indivisible entities of the Object of Worship,"
is using the Gohonzon and estabishing the "High
Priest creed." ibid.
Yesterday:
"Needless to say, the Dai-Gohonzon of the high
sanctuary inscribed for all mankind is the most
fundamental basis of the movement for the Nichiren
Shoshu Soka Gakkai [they have since changed the
name to SGI]. The Dai-Gohonzon has been preserved
and handed down within Nichiren Shoshu from
the founder, Nichiren Daishonin, to his successor,
Nikko Shonin, and then to the third high priest,
Nichimoku Shonin, up to the present 67th high
priest, Nikken Shonin. I hope, therefore, that we will
courageously dedicate ourselves to studying
Nichiren Daishonin's teachings in order to deepen our faith
and to propagation true Buddhism in each country
or community, as we follow the high priest's
guidance, and respect the traditions and doctrines
of Nichiren Shoshu." Daisaku Ikeda, Buddhism in Action, '
vol 1, p 33
"We conduct the third prayer to express our deepest
appreciation to Nichiren Daishonin, the Buddha of
the Latter Day of the Law. In this third silent prayer,
we also offer our gratitude to Nikko Shonin, the
second high priest and the fouder of Taisekiji. Further,
we offer our appreciation to the third high priest,
Nichimoku Shonin, and all the successive high priests
of Nichiren Shoshu, each of whom transmitted
the heritage of the Law to the next. Presently, as
you know, the 67th high priest, Nikken Shonin, has
inherited the Law. Now he is the master of true Buddhism."
Daisaku Ikeda, Buddhism in action, vol 1, p 107
"...we must protect and transmit the essence of the traditions and doctrines
that have been continually protected for over 700 years, since the time of
the Daishonin. I am concerned that unless we make this our basis, that no matter
how much we temporarily increase in power, we would be unable to
avoid the criticism of future generations that our Kosen-rufu was a sham."
Daisaku Ikeda, Daibyaku Renge, No. 333, p. 13
"That which forms the basis of Nichiren Shoshu is the Lifeblood.
With the Dai-Gohonzon as the basis, the successive High Priests
alone recieve and inherit this Lifeblood, and preserve it eternally."
Daisaku Ikeda, Discussing Kosen-rufu and Human Life, Vol. 3, p. 256
"The Great Pure Law of the Latter day of the Law is transmitted
by the successive High Priests of the bequethal of the lifeblood
of the Law recieved by only a single person, and they inscribe
the Gohonzon for us believers from that standpoint." Daisaku
Ikeda, Discussing Kosen-rufu and Human Life, Vol. 4, p. 6
Today:
Furthermore, in light of the true meaning of the Daishonin's
Buddhism, it is a great mistake to think that
only the high priest is vested with authority regarding the
Gohonzon merely because of his position
and title. World Tribune, Sept. 13, 1993
"The faith of "not begruging one's life," life based on the
Gohonzon ...such faith exists only in the Soka
Gakkai. Only the Soka Gakkai possesses "action"
aimed toward the goal of kosen-rufu, and correct
"guidance" leading to happiness."
Daisaku Ikeda, World Tribune, Jan. 17, 1994
Yesterday:
However, such criticisms [that the practice of Shakubuku
is too harsh] were only based on the superficial
understanding of common mortals which is incomparably
inferior to the understanding of the original
Buddha, Nichiren Daishonin. Rather than reprimanding
them, Nichiren Daishonin describes the
cowardice, timidity and ignorance of those disciples as "pitiful."
Today, a similar situation has arisen. Faithless disciples
criticized High Priest Nikken, who is the only
legitimate inheritor of the Law as the "emissary" of the
original Buddha, Nichiren Daishonin. Those who
for whatever reasons criticize the high priest are
traitors against the orthodox lineage of Nichiren
Shoshu. Buddhism in Action, By Daisaku Ikeda,
1984 ed., pages 273-274
Today:
"Today, I would just like to point out that, if the
priesthood is earnestly saying that, "to go against the
high priest is slander," then they are only going to
get caught in their own trap." Daisaku Ikeda, World
Tribune, Jan. 17, 1994
Yesterday:
"The Dai-Gohonzon of the high sanctuary of true
Buddhism at the Nichiren Shoshu head temple,
Taiseki-ji, is the basis of all Gohonzons. The Gohonzon,
which we are allowed to recieve so that we can
pray in our own homes, can be inscribed only by
one of the successive high priests who inherit the true
lineage of Nichiren Shoshu." Daisaku Ikeda, Buddhism
in Action, vol. 1, pg. 21
"Only the successive High Priests of the conferral of the Lifeblood of the
Law inscribe the Gohonzons we recieve based upon the principle that he is
an emination of the Buddha." Daisaku Ikeda, Discussing Kosen-rufu and
Human Life, Vol. 1, p. 112
Today:
"At the present time, the Soka Gakkai itself is the one and only
group of united priests which receives and inherits the 'lifeblood of
faith.'" (Seikyo Shinbun, 9/18/93)
"Lay believers who, among all the people in the world,
embrace, believe in and practice the True Law...can also
be said to be the treasure of the priest"
"The status of the successive High Priests is lower than that
of the treasure of the priest. Lay believers who are disciples of the
Daishonin individually represent the treasure of the priest"
"It can be said that the priests and lay believers
all individually represent the treasure of the priest"
Speech by Soka Gakkai DIkeda
World Fibune, Sept. 30, 1991
"Now that we have clearly separated ourselves from Nichiren
Shoshu, let us firmly establish a religion for human beings..."
Daisaku Ikeda, Sept. 1993 Daibyaku Renge (SGI)
"If even a good priest sees someone slandering the Law and
disregards him, failing to reproach him, to oust him or to punish
him for his offense, then that priest is betraying Buddhism. But if he takes
the slanderer severely to task, drives him off or punishes him,
then he is my dsciple and one who truly understands my
teachings." -- The Nirvana Sutra Explainig Why SGI/Ikeda was
Taken to Task and Driven off
"From the time our predecessor Makiguchi sensei, the Gakkai
has progressed according to the great spirit of not concerning ourselves
in any way concerning the position of the High Priest. In the future as well,we will be consistent with this spirit. Those who violate this, even if theyare top leaders, are to be immediately expelled. This has to be
the spirit of believers." Daisaku Ikeda Explains Why He Was Expelled,
Seikyo Shimbun, 1/29/56
Mark
Richard
May 12, 2016, 12:52:11 PM5/12/16
to
Mark your points are excellent indeed. I would like to add something I have been thinking about deeply. Since I trust what the Daishonin says and rely on the law. Nichiren clearly states, in the Fourteen Slanders Gosho, "As a lay believer, the important thing for you is to chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo single-mindedly and to provide support for the priests." This I must come to grips with and reflect deeply in front of the Gohonzon which I was fortunate to meet because of Nichiren Shoshu and NSA's practice in accord with this scripture. I experienced the decline of faith within the SGI once it separated from NST and the treatment of the Gohonzon and members became secondary to the Corporations it developed. There are too many deviations of the Daishonin's teachings which make SGI unqualified to call itself 'Bodhisattvas of the Earth'. Look at the decline in the membership since the split and also the life condition of the environment which in SGI is very very low. I noticed especially at the WPIA the Gohonzon was not treated with reverence and the respect it deserves as it was when I was a member of NSA. I also saw the openers of NSA become the sheltered SGI in all of the Community Centers. And the lack of availability of leaders to spend quality time answering questions which the members have and had! What they did to the pioneer members was disgraceful and inhuman! Gojukai was an experience I will never forget yet, today they just hand out Gohonzon without any proper ceremony or respect. This is what I must understand, "As a lay believer, the important thing for you is to chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo single-mindedly and to provide support for the priests."
Sincerely, Richard
Sincerely, Richard
Mark Rogow
May 12, 2016, 11:04:11 PM5/12/16
to
On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 11:52:11 AM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
> Mark your points are excellent indeed. I would like to add something I have been thinking about deeply. Since I trust what the Daishonin says and rely on the law. Nichiren clearly states, in the Fourteen Slanders Gosho, "As a lay believer, the important thing for you is to chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo single-mindedly and to provide support for the priests." This I must come to grips with and reflect deeply in front of the Gohonzon which I was fortunate to meet because of Nichiren Shoshu and NSA's practice in accord with this scripture. I experienced the decline of faith within the SGI once it separated from NST and the treatment of the Gohonzon and members became secondary to the Corporations it developed. There are too many deviations of the Daishonin's teachings which make SGI unqualified to call itself 'Bodhisattvas of the Earth'. Look at the decline in the membership since the split and also the life condition of the environment which in SGI is very very low. I noticed especially at the WPIA the Gohonzon was not treated with reverence and the respect it deserves as it was when I was a member of NSA. I also saw the openers of NSA become the sheltered SGI in all of the Community Centers. And the lack of availability of leaders to spend quality time answering questions which the members have and had! What they did to the pioneer members was disgraceful and inhuman! Gojukai was an experience I will never forget yet, today they just hand out Gohonzon without any proper ceremony or respect. This is what I must understand, "As a lay believer, the important thing for you is to chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo single-mindedly and to provide support for the priests."
>
> Sincerely, Richard
The Nichiren Shoshu priests who have falsified Gosho, Gohonzon, and teachings are not worthy of our respect.
> Mark your points are excellent indeed. I would like to add something I have been thinking about deeply. Since I trust what the Daishonin says and rely on the law. Nichiren clearly states, in the Fourteen Slanders Gosho, "As a lay believer, the important thing for you is to chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo single-mindedly and to provide support for the priests." This I must come to grips with and reflect deeply in front of the Gohonzon which I was fortunate to meet because of Nichiren Shoshu and NSA's practice in accord with this scripture. I experienced the decline of faith within the SGI once it separated from NST and the treatment of the Gohonzon and members became secondary to the Corporations it developed. There are too many deviations of the Daishonin's teachings which make SGI unqualified to call itself 'Bodhisattvas of the Earth'. Look at the decline in the membership since the split and also the life condition of the environment which in SGI is very very low. I noticed especially at the WPIA the Gohonzon was not treated with reverence and the respect it deserves as it was when I was a member of NSA. I also saw the openers of NSA become the sheltered SGI in all of the Community Centers. And the lack of availability of leaders to spend quality time answering questions which the members have and had! What they did to the pioneer members was disgraceful and inhuman! Gojukai was an experience I will never forget yet, today they just hand out Gohonzon without any proper ceremony or respect. This is what I must understand, "As a lay believer, the important thing for you is to chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo single-mindedly and to provide support for the priests."
>
> Sincerely, Richard
Mark
Chas.
May 12, 2016, 11:16:17 PM5/12/16
to
You both seem to be of the delusion that we separated ourselves instead of being booted out. We were excommunicated. We did not cause the breaking of the Sangha, that was a writ of Nichijyun excommunicating us, signed by Nikken.
That fact that it was joyously received by most SGI members is simply turning lemons into lemonade.
They planned it over the years and when they were ready, they did it. Not we.
You can argue this point forever, but there is no "We Quit!" letter in existence.
There is only a "You are Excommunicated!" letter from Nikken.
Get your stories straight.
-Chas.
Richard
May 13, 2016, 2:18:31 AM5/13/16
to
Mark I have no experience with over priest. So calm down and explain in a way that I can understand what your point is. I am open minded and reasonable. I truly believe hatred is not the way of Buddhism rather true dialogue is the path Nichiren took with those who were not experienced or ignorant.
Sincerely, Richard
Sincerely, Richard
iainx...@gmail.com
May 13, 2016, 4:09:11 AM5/13/16
to
"You both seem to be of the delusion that we separated ourselves instead of being booted out. We were excommunicated. We did not cause the breaking of the Sangha, that was a writ of Nichijyun excommunicating us, signed by Nikken."
And you Chasseem to ne u der the delusion that the excommunication, whi h was just of Daisaku Ikeda initially, was not warranted on the grounds of deviation of faith.
At the time, SGI spun the line of the oh so evil priests plotting in operation C. It forgot to mention to most of it's members outside Japan that Shoshinkai had already remonstrated with Gakkai about deviations of faith and were expelled from the priesthood for that. Or that Daisaku Ikeda fervantly supported Nikken for taking that action.
So, the main question is, was Shoshonkai right and was subsequently Nikken right to excommunicate Daisaku Ikeda in 1991 for deviating from faith and teaching SGI members incorrect faith? At the time it seemed not but look what has happened "Chas", look at the result thus far:
1) an SGI sutra that teaches transmission of the Law through the bond of mentor-disciple. Incorrect faith.
2) reinterpretation of Gosho and Sutra by Daisaku Ikeda to support his pet theories and the SGI sutra he has created. Incorrect faith.
3) Demphasis of Gohonzon and a move away from the teachings of SGI of yesteryear and even of Mr Toda and Mr Makaguchi. Incorrect faith.
4) Creating deliberate confusion by using "mentor" to refer to Law, Buddha, Gohonzon, Nichiren AND the "3 Presidents" and "Mr Ikeda as Mentor" concepts. Thus putting Mr Ikeda on the same level as Gohonzon, Vuddha and Law and obscuring the disinction in SGI members minds, damafing faith. Incorrect teaching.
So does a pure organiaation that prizes correct faith and teaching above all do such things? No. Has it done such things? Yes.
That "Chas" is the important point, SGI's clear deviation from Nichiren's actual teachings and it's deviation from the path of faith. So what did Nikken see and was he right? At the time I thought not but with SGI's slanderous actions clearly evident now, of course he was right to excommunicate a man whose teaching has lead to this.
You seem to be under the delusion thay you, I and other SGI members were also excommunicated in 1991. We were not, we were eventually 7 years later because we choose to follow Daiseku Ikeda. We were guided in our choice by constant SGI propoganda but look what hapoened "Chas". Were we right? Had I known what the SGI would come to teach and how, I would never have supported such a man and as soin as I did understand the situation, which you "Chas" unwittingly helped me with, I ceased my support for the SGI. Once the deviation and slander was clear, I left.
And what have you done "Chas" but doggedly supported SGI and its changed teachings and its corrupt and deviant leaders even in the face of compellung evidence. The result of the SGI is ckear in your actions and posting, you prioritise SGI and your "Mentor Ikeda" over correct faith, Nichiren and the Gohonzon. You have even refused by your actions to be clear about the oriority of faith in Gohonzon over SGI mentor-disciple teaching.
So what is your honzon "Chas", what are you devoted too and place your faith in? Daisaku Ikeda and the SGI. Incorrect faith.
On sangha, I have already cited and referenced Nichiren, according to him there is no sangha in this age. You have ignored this direct citation of Nichiren and continue to peddke an erroneous view of "sangha". Given your actual faith in SGI and its new sutra, that doesn't surprise me, after all why listen to the man who taught correct faith?
Be well. :)
Alex Beauroy
May 13, 2016, 4:24:35 AM5/13/16
to
Play by the rules!!!
@lex
Chas.
May 13, 2016, 9:21:11 AM5/13/16
to
On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 1:09:11 AM UTC-7, iainx...@gmail.com wrote:
> "You both seem to be of the delusion that we separated ourselves instead of being booted out. We were excommunicated. We did not cause the breaking of the Sangha, that was a writ of Nichijyun excommunicating us, signed by Nikken."
>
> And you Chasseem to ne u der the delusion that the excommunication, whi h was just of Daisaku Ikeda initially, was not warranted on the grounds of deviation of faith.
>
Almost unreadable, you need to get a grip, dude.
> "You both seem to be of the delusion that we separated ourselves instead of being booted out. We were excommunicated. We did not cause the breaking of the Sangha, that was a writ of Nichijyun excommunicating us, signed by Nikken."
>
> And you Chasseem to ne u der the delusion that the excommunication, whi h was just of Daisaku Ikeda initially, was not warranted on the grounds of deviation of faith.
>
I never said what their motive was, simply that we were excommunicated. Which you agree happened. You are acceding to my point while changing the argument. And how would an errant Nichiren Shoshu, which is deviant in almost every way, be capable of perceiving anyone's deviancy? Nikken was and is motivated by sheer greed and the three poisons overall. Same with Nichinyo, which is the point of my piece. in this topic at the top.
> At the time, SGI spun the line of the oh so evil priests plotting in operation C. It forgot to mention to most of it's members outside Japan that Shoshinkai had already remonstrated with Gakkai about deviations of faith and were expelled from the priesthood for that. Or that Daisaku Ikeda fervantly supported Nikken for taking that action.
>
[snip]
> You seem to be under the delusion thay you, I and other SGI members were also excommunicated in 1991. We were not, we were eventually 7 years later because we choose to follow Daiseku Ikeda.
[snip]
-Chas.
iainx...@gmail.com
May 13, 2016, 3:50:47 PM5/13/16
to
Perfect! Thank you "Chas".
"However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
Thank you for making my argument plain and confirming my points.
Did you not think to do any research or make any attempt to check why he was excommunicated now or since? Have you not kept a constant and careful check on his quality of teaching and consistency?
Your faith in your mentor is deep and profound indeed and all based, if memory serves correctly, on seeing him aross a room and then having some kind of "mystical experience" and following that rather than the Law.
Sensei means teacher. This is what Nichiren has to say:
How Those Initially Aspiring totheWay Can Attain Buddhahood through the Lotus Sutra
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/110#para-4
"A sutra says: “Rely on the Law and not upon persons. Rely on the meaning of the teaching and not on the words. Rely on wisdom and not ondiscriminative thinking. Rely on sutras that are complete and final and not onthose that are not complete and final.” The meaning of this passage is that one should not rely upon the words of the bodhisattvas and teachers, but should heed what was established by the Buddha."
And
Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/13#para-16
“Next, concerning your reverence for those who observe these practices, a teaching is not necessarily worthy of honor simply because its practitioners are respected. It is for this reason that the Buddha laid down the principle, ‘Rely on the Law and not upon persons.’"
If you accepted Nichiren's teaching and followed it, basing yourself on the Law and the Gohonzon that he established, it should be abundantly clear to you that one should always ensure that the teacher and the teachings are correct, accurate and and are not being distorted.
One can only do that if one bases oneself on faith, practice and study of the Gosho and Sutra. And that was precisely the position of SGI yesteryear teaching.
You were unable to give a simple yes/no answer to a question from a fellow believer about whether faith in the Gohonzon remained superior to all other SGI teaching and guidance, including it's mentor-disciple teaching. But now at last you have given your answer, clearly and unabiguously "I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
That "Chas" is your faith, that "Chas" is your object of devotion - your "mentor".
And thank you also for confirming just what "mentor" actually means for SGI members like yourself, it means Daisaku Ikeda (you will no doubt include the mythologised "3 Presidents" - same difference)
You wouldn't have excommunicated yourself if it was, Law, Buddha, Nichiren and certainly not Gohonzon as "mentor", there would have been no need.
And if perchance you like I had a concern for accuracy of teaching, you would yourself have picked up the distortions and inconsistencies, especially when they were pointed out to you in fully referenced accurate quotes. Our debate would have been of a different quality, had you had that sincere seeking mind.
We may well still have disagreed but you would have been able to present cogent argument beyond mere current SGI defence. Alex, Mark and Richard and I have differences, we also share a common ality, as Alex so ably expressed "we are three different people seeking the Buddha".
So I leave you with your own words:
"However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
The core of your faith, even despite the clear inconsistencies in his teaching across time, also pointed out to you, the threads and posts you avoided responding to - "I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together." Your unquestioning faith in your mentor, your honzon.
Nichiren Buddhism is called sometimes the Buddhism of the Sun. Nichi - Sun and Ren - the Lotus. Sun Lotus.
You have managed to drag yourself kicking and screaming out of the shadows where you hide and into the full glare of the Sun, where there is no hiding, no chance of guile and deceit.
Did I not warn you that you are an instrument of the Law and that every decision and action you take us within that context. Your decision to write this "However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together." is such a perfect example of this principle in action. Excellent, excellent. :)
Perhaps you will reflect, perhaps you will change. Perhaos you will finally embrace faith in the Sutra and the Gohonzon Nichiren established and measure all else against that standard, disgarding that which falls short and speaking out against those who would distort for shallow, corrupt, organisational gain.
Perhaps you will become a votary of the Sutra. One day you will for sure but why wait? Ah that's right, because "However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
"I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together"
Be well. :)
P.S. soz for the typos in my posts, as I have explained to you before, I often type on a phone and I am a cognitive dyslexic, so don't always spot and correct the errors. Thanks for bearing with me! :)
"However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
Did you not think to do any research or make any attempt to check why he was excommunicated now or since? Have you not kept a constant and careful check on his quality of teaching and consistency?
Your faith in your mentor is deep and profound indeed and all based, if memory serves correctly, on seeing him aross a room and then having some kind of "mystical experience" and following that rather than the Law.
Sensei means teacher. This is what Nichiren has to say:
How Those Initially Aspiring totheWay Can Attain Buddhahood through the Lotus Sutra
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/110#para-4
"A sutra says: “Rely on the Law and not upon persons. Rely on the meaning of the teaching and not on the words. Rely on wisdom and not ondiscriminative thinking. Rely on sutras that are complete and final and not onthose that are not complete and final.” The meaning of this passage is that one should not rely upon the words of the bodhisattvas and teachers, but should heed what was established by the Buddha."
And
Conversation between a Sage and an Unenlightened Man
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/13#para-16
“Next, concerning your reverence for those who observe these practices, a teaching is not necessarily worthy of honor simply because its practitioners are respected. It is for this reason that the Buddha laid down the principle, ‘Rely on the Law and not upon persons.’"
If you accepted Nichiren's teaching and followed it, basing yourself on the Law and the Gohonzon that he established, it should be abundantly clear to you that one should always ensure that the teacher and the teachings are correct, accurate and and are not being distorted.
One can only do that if one bases oneself on faith, practice and study of the Gosho and Sutra. And that was precisely the position of SGI yesteryear teaching.
You were unable to give a simple yes/no answer to a question from a fellow believer about whether faith in the Gohonzon remained superior to all other SGI teaching and guidance, including it's mentor-disciple teaching. But now at last you have given your answer, clearly and unabiguously "I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
That "Chas" is your faith, that "Chas" is your object of devotion - your "mentor".
And thank you also for confirming just what "mentor" actually means for SGI members like yourself, it means Daisaku Ikeda (you will no doubt include the mythologised "3 Presidents" - same difference)
You wouldn't have excommunicated yourself if it was, Law, Buddha, Nichiren and certainly not Gohonzon as "mentor", there would have been no need.
And if perchance you like I had a concern for accuracy of teaching, you would yourself have picked up the distortions and inconsistencies, especially when they were pointed out to you in fully referenced accurate quotes. Our debate would have been of a different quality, had you had that sincere seeking mind.
We may well still have disagreed but you would have been able to present cogent argument beyond mere current SGI defence. Alex, Mark and Richard and I have differences, we also share a common ality, as Alex so ably expressed "we are three different people seeking the Buddha".
So I leave you with your own words:
"However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
Nichiren Buddhism is called sometimes the Buddhism of the Sun. Nichi - Sun and Ren - the Lotus. Sun Lotus.
You have managed to drag yourself kicking and screaming out of the shadows where you hide and into the full glare of the Sun, where there is no hiding, no chance of guile and deceit.
Did I not warn you that you are an instrument of the Law and that every decision and action you take us within that context. Your decision to write this "However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together." is such a perfect example of this principle in action. Excellent, excellent. :)
Perhaps you will reflect, perhaps you will change. Perhaos you will finally embrace faith in the Sutra and the Gohonzon Nichiren established and measure all else against that standard, disgarding that which falls short and speaking out against those who would distort for shallow, corrupt, organisational gain.
Perhaps you will become a votary of the Sutra. One day you will for sure but why wait? Ah that's right, because "However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
"I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together"
P.S. soz for the typos in my posts, as I have explained to you before, I often type on a phone and I am a cognitive dyslexic, so don't always spot and correct the errors. Thanks for bearing with me! :)
Chas.
May 13, 2016, 11:44:21 PM5/13/16
to
On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-7, iainx...@gmail.com wrote:
> Perfect! Thank you "Chas".
>
> "However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
>
> Thank you for making my argument plain and confirming my points.
>
> Did you not think to do any research or make any attempt to check why he was excommunicated now or since? Have you not kept a constant and careful check on his quality of teaching and consistency?
>
> Your faith in your mentor is deep and profound indeed and all based, if memory serves correctly, on seeing him aross a room and then having some kind of "mystical experience" and following that rather than the Law.
Ah, there is your error, again. I don't worship or really have faith in Sensei, he is not my object of worship. We are utterly different people, I mean totally different. He is a good person, I am definitely NOT a good person. He is a truly loyal follower, someone you can really count on. I have demonstrated what a lousy follower and bodhisattva I am again and again and again. I am NOT someone you can count on, I fall prey to evil karma, I get knocked out of the picture, I get blocked and can't find my way through. Sensei always delivers, he is amazing. I miss goals, I fall short, I sometimes can't follow through and sometimes like a broken toy I have ground away on gears with missing teeth. He is lyrical and poetic and a romantic. I am deduction and induction and hard data and math and science to the core.
> Perfect! Thank you "Chas".
>
> "However, when Sensei was excommunicated, so was I, because I follow the mentor. We will rise or fall together."
>
> Thank you for making my argument plain and confirming my points.
>
> Did you not think to do any research or make any attempt to check why he was excommunicated now or since? Have you not kept a constant and careful check on his quality of teaching and consistency?
>
> Your faith in your mentor is deep and profound indeed and all based, if memory serves correctly, on seeing him aross a room and then having some kind of "mystical experience" and following that rather than the Law.
I don't understand the guy, I don't know how he can do as much as he does for so long, so amazingly. So, I can't say I know his mind or his heart.
However, we see eye to eye on exactly one thing and that is Myoho: the Mystic Principle.
My object of worship is the daimoku and the Gohonzon and nothing else. I chant A LOT OF DAIMOKU EVERY DAY. Well over three hours a day. I average 5 million daimoku a year. One year, after failing to start a company three times in a row, I chanted well over 5 hours a day for a year, and then I got a great research job, which I should not have gotten in any kind of a reality, but which I do shine at, if I say so myself. Thank you, Gohonzon!
I swore an oath in September 1999 after the fall of the Sho Hondo to bring about the utter defeat of the Nichiren Shoshu Temple, and to chant three hours a day, every day, to see it done. I have NOT failed in that task, in that ONE THING I am reliable, and I WILL DELIVER on THAT GOAL.
So, most of what the other inhabitants of the snake pit that is ARBN have to say about me is just crap. How could I worship someone I hardly know or understand? It's just not scientific.
However, Sensei and I are joined at the hip, and like I said, we will rise and fall together as one. That much I know for damned sure, and that rise is coming, fellow snakes. Peripetoia!
[snip the rest of the oft repeated untruths]
I doubt if you will listen to what I said, or even can listen. The echoes in the echo chamber of your own delusion are just too loud.
-Chas.
iainx...@gmail.com
May 14, 2016, 8:23:56 AM5/14/16
to
"Ah, there is your error, again. I don't worship or really have faith in Sensei, he is not my object of worship."
"I doubt if you will listen to what I said, or even can listen. The echoes in the echo chamber of your own delusion are just too loud."
Crucially, your perception is maintained by editing out, ignoring or explaining away the inconsitencies in his past and present teachings for example. Also by applying a dual standard to your assessments of Mr Ikeda and others.
What you have set out here is nothing more than a belief, which you are quite entitled to. But it is no more than your belief that Mr Ikeda is all these things and crucially, is not at other times or in other situations, contrary to the image you have created and projected onto him.
It is probably more accurate to say that you need Mr Ikeda to be this perfect person, who is good, doesn't miss deadlines, always delivers etc.
That explains why you defend that beleif so vehermently, you have done exactly what SGI leaders want you to do, adopt a strong and fervent beleif in the myth they have created surrounding Mr Ikeda. That is the project for all SGI members, to adopt just that belief.
It's telling that you use yourself as a negative comparator, how flawed and useless you are etc. Mea Culpa, maxima culpa.
This is not the Buddhism of Nichiren. Not this emotional, "I'm not worthy" crap. Yes we are all deluded, even Nichiren says this of himself. It's not your karma that matters, it's what you do with it.
And how do you do something sublime with it? How do you change poison into medicine? Nichiren's answer was simple by embracing faith in the Lotus Sutra and becoming one of it's votaries, that's how.
Has it ever occured to you that for Nichiren or any of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth to acutally be born in any latter age, they have to create enough negative karma to ensure cause and effect plays out in a way that takes them there?
Has it ever occured to you that this voluntary "taking on of karma" is consistent with their Bodhisattva vow and that it also gives them the means to lead people to Buddhahood? Read Letter to Horen and understand it.
Lifetime after lifetime, this process is repeated since time without beginning and end in all world systems. "Woe is me" is as misplaced as "look at how fantastic I am". It's irrelevant to a votary's function.
What is important is one thing and one thing alone, awakening faith in the essence of the Sutra and providing a means to embrace it. In this world, that is Namu Myoho Renge Kyo which is the Gohonzon.
To help living beings one has to be where they are but one also has to have a firm connection with the Sutra. It's exactly the way detergent works. One head of the molecule is strongly attracted to fats, the other to water. So the detergent is able to lift the fat and the grime that's attached to it and suspend it in the water which will wash it away.
Detergent works by getting down and dirty not by running away. It also works by being anchored firmly to the water that surrounds it.
A votary is exactly like this, using their own "evil karma" to bury their heads in the grime and thier faith in the Sutra as the anchor to the water of the Law that will lift it away. And as each demonstrates that process, others embrace it and become likewise, different people seeking the Buddha.
We don't embrace it by constantly following another, once we have faith, Daimoku and Gohonzon, the rest us up to us.
We alone determine our sincerity and our determination, we don't need for another to measure us or to measure outselves by another. By Gohonzon, yes - our own lives in their enlightened state, constantly teaching the Law, if only we will listen.
You may need a Dad "Chas", I do not - I had a brilliant father, one who ensured his sons were preoared for the world, navigated it well and were recognised by him for thier achivements and loved despite their faults. He did what all good parents and teachers do, guided well then let go and passed on the baton.
This is what Mr Ikeda has not done. It's still all about "me, me, me,". He and the SGI has opted to create a state of dependency by regressing its members into a state of infancy fixated on a mythologised idolised father figure.
SGI has done this by replacing faith in the Gohonzon and Daimoku and the notion that based on those alone, one's own enlightened life is sufficient to guide one's choices. Fact.
It has changed its teaching and culture. Fact.
It has removed the faith based and Gosgo based safeguards against the organisation becoming corrupt or being taken over by corrupt people. Fact.
It has declined in membership by 40% since 1988 during the period it took this course. Fact.
That "Chas" is "Mr Ikeda's" teaching and record on delivery. Fact.
Bury your head in the sand all you want "Chas" but whilst you argye for and support a corrupt cause, your organisation fragments, withers and dies and real people suffer in this burning house. These people who need the simple, effective and unambiguous formula that Nichiren put forth. Faith not mentor, faith not the new SGI sutra.
Have a care "Chas". Real people suffer when you deny them the Law or erect the paytoll of mentorship to access the way.
Be well. :)
Chas.
May 14, 2016, 11:10:35 AM5/14/16
to
Like I said, you completely ignored what I said, or simply cannot take it in, or accept it.
You are the original Johnny One Note.
The Lotus Sutra isn't one note, it's a symphony.
Buddhism isn't just the daimoku and the Gohonzon, it's the ten worlds and ichinen sanzen and esho funi and kyochi myogo and tenju-kyoju and shiki-shin funi and ... mentor and disciple.
-Chas.
You are the original Johnny One Note.
The Lotus Sutra isn't one note, it's a symphony.
Buddhism isn't just the daimoku and the Gohonzon, it's the ten worlds and ichinen sanzen and esho funi and kyochi myogo and tenju-kyoju and shiki-shin funi and ... mentor and disciple.
-Chas.
iainx...@gmail.com
May 14, 2016, 12:33:20 PM5/14/16
to
You can get lost in secondary concepts "Chas" and by the looks of it you have.
Do you realise what you have said "just the daimoku and the Gohonzon..."?
This is the shallowness of your understanding and faith. As Nichiren would tell you, if you stopped for a moment blindly following your teacher and took notice, "everything has it's essential point" and the Daimoku, Namu myoho renge kyo, which Nichiren defined as the Gohonzon, us it. Nichiren taught faith in that as the essential point. Full stop. And the reason? Because this alone was the means to escape from the burning house of mappo. To some of his many followers, he never mentioned Ichinen Sanzen or esho funi and the rest but he always mentioned the Daimoku and encouraged faith in it. If you'd read the Gosho you would know that.
And why did he do that "Chas"? The one telling thing you didn't mention in you concepts list. Compassion.
That my friend is the Rissho Ankoku Ron. Or as Nichiren puts it elsewhere:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/106#para-21
"The heart of the Buddha’s lifetime of teachings is the Lotus Sutra, and the heart of the practice of the Lotus Sutra is found in the “Never Disparaging” chapter. What does Bodhisattva Never Disparaging’s profound respect for people signify? The purpose of the appearance in this world of Shakyamuni Buddha, the lord of teachings, lies in his behavior as a human being."
As for your false assertion that Nichiren taught the way of mentor disciple, now you need to support that using Gosho.
I challenge you to a doctrinal debate on this very point.
Layers of later interpretation by your teacher or others won't do. I want explicit Gosho references, in context, where Nichiren teaches that the Law is transmitted through the bond of mentor disciple amd one should follow the mentor rather than the Law. And I want a full and cogent account of contra evidence.
Let's put your and thr current SGI's fiction to bed once and for all.
I'm waiting "Chas".
Be well. :)
Do you realise what you have said "just the daimoku and the Gohonzon..."?
This is the shallowness of your understanding and faith. As Nichiren would tell you, if you stopped for a moment blindly following your teacher and took notice, "everything has it's essential point" and the Daimoku, Namu myoho renge kyo, which Nichiren defined as the Gohonzon, us it. Nichiren taught faith in that as the essential point. Full stop. And the reason? Because this alone was the means to escape from the burning house of mappo. To some of his many followers, he never mentioned Ichinen Sanzen or esho funi and the rest but he always mentioned the Daimoku and encouraged faith in it. If you'd read the Gosho you would know that.
And why did he do that "Chas"? The one telling thing you didn't mention in you concepts list. Compassion.
That my friend is the Rissho Ankoku Ron. Or as Nichiren puts it elsewhere:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/106#para-21
"The heart of the Buddha’s lifetime of teachings is the Lotus Sutra, and the heart of the practice of the Lotus Sutra is found in the “Never Disparaging” chapter. What does Bodhisattva Never Disparaging’s profound respect for people signify? The purpose of the appearance in this world of Shakyamuni Buddha, the lord of teachings, lies in his behavior as a human being."
As for your false assertion that Nichiren taught the way of mentor disciple, now you need to support that using Gosho.
I challenge you to a doctrinal debate on this very point.
Layers of later interpretation by your teacher or others won't do. I want explicit Gosho references, in context, where Nichiren teaches that the Law is transmitted through the bond of mentor disciple amd one should follow the mentor rather than the Law. And I want a full and cogent account of contra evidence.
Let's put your and thr current SGI's fiction to bed once and for all.
I'm waiting "Chas".
Be well. :)
Chas.
May 14, 2016, 2:34:28 PM5/14/16
to
Yes I said "Buddhism isn't just the Daimoku and the Gohonzon."
There are three practices, not just one. Daimoku and the Gohonzon are the practice of faith. There is also study and shakubuku. We can study the Daimoku and the Gohonzon only so much. That's why we need the Gosho and 69,384 character Lotus Sutra. And more than that. You must have come across the Study Department during your visit with the SGI. Have you taken an exam? That's study.
Have you attended SGI meetings during your visit with us? Done some shakubuku? Taught someone how to do gongyo? I learned how to do that from mentors, and became a (quite successful) MD district chief (now four districts.) My mentors can trace back their mentoring to Sensei and his mentor Mr. Toda, and his, Mr. Makiguchi. They invented all of this ... the SGI you visited in your apparent blindness and deafness to the truth.
As for your debate on Mentor and Disciple, I have already had this out with you and supplied Gosho and Lotus Sutra quotes, which you did not accept and simply ignored, because you cannot see them to understand.
Your task, should you want to CONTINUE that already running debate, is to go back and find those posting, all of them, and bring them forth here, first. Then I will CONTINUE the debate with you, based on already existing context.
And this time, bother to read and actually ponder and chant about what I have already written that you have blatantly ignored.
-Chas.
There are three practices, not just one. Daimoku and the Gohonzon are the practice of faith. There is also study and shakubuku. We can study the Daimoku and the Gohonzon only so much. That's why we need the Gosho and 69,384 character Lotus Sutra. And more than that. You must have come across the Study Department during your visit with the SGI. Have you taken an exam? That's study.
Have you attended SGI meetings during your visit with us? Done some shakubuku? Taught someone how to do gongyo? I learned how to do that from mentors, and became a (quite successful) MD district chief (now four districts.) My mentors can trace back their mentoring to Sensei and his mentor Mr. Toda, and his, Mr. Makiguchi. They invented all of this ... the SGI you visited in your apparent blindness and deafness to the truth.
As for your debate on Mentor and Disciple, I have already had this out with you and supplied Gosho and Lotus Sutra quotes, which you did not accept and simply ignored, because you cannot see them to understand.
Your task, should you want to CONTINUE that already running debate, is to go back and find those posting, all of them, and bring them forth here, first. Then I will CONTINUE the debate with you, based on already existing context.
And this time, bother to read and actually ponder and chant about what I have already written that you have blatantly ignored.
-Chas.
Chas.
May 14, 2016, 2:50:26 PM5/14/16
to
And that passage is often misquoted, out of context and missing the end. Sometimes merely to soften the harshness of it and use it as a hammer to get you to behave as they would wish you to.
Here is the full passage with the ending un-snipped.
From "The Three Kinds of Treasure", WND I, p. 851-2:
. It is rare to be born a human being. The number of those
. endowed with human life is as small as the amount of earth
. one can place on a fingernail. Life as a human being is
. hard to sustain—as hard as it is for the dew to remain on
. the grass. But it is better to live a single day with honor
. than to live to 120 and die in disgrace. Live so that all
. the people of Kamakura will say in your praise that
. Nakatsukasa Saburō Saemon-no-jō is diligent in the service
. of his lord, in the service of Buddhism, and in his concern
. for other people. More valuable than treasures in a
. storehouse are the treasures of the body, and the treasures
. of the heart are the most valuable of all. From the time
. you read this letter on, strive to accumulate the treasures
. of the heart!
.
. I would like to relate an incident that is customarily kept
. secret. In the history of Japan, there have been two
. emperors who were assassinated. One of them was Emperor
. Sushun. He was a son of Emperor Kimmei and an uncle of
. Prince Shōtoku. One day during his reign as the
. thirty-third sovereign, he summoned Prince Shōtoku and
. said, “We hear that you are a man of sacred wisdom. Examine
. Our physiognomy and tell Us what you see there!” The prince
. declined three times, but the emperor insisted that he obey
. the imperial command. Finally, no longer able to refuse,
. the prince reverently examined Sushun’s physiognomy and
. then reported, “Your Majesty’s countenance indicates that
. you will be assassinated.”
.
. The emperor’s complexion changed color. “What evidence do
. you have to support such a contention?” he asked. The
. prince replied, “I see red veins running over your eyes.
. This is a sign that you will incur the enmity of others.”
. Thereupon the emperor asked, “How can We escape this fate?”
. The prince said: “It is difficult to evade. But there are
. soldiers known as the five constant virtues. As long as you
. keep these warriors on your side, you will be safe from
. danger. In the Buddhist scriptures these soldiers are
. referred to as the ‘practice of forbearance,’ one of the
. six pāramitās.”
.
. For some time after that, Emperor Sushun faithfully
. observed the practice of forbearance. But, being irascible
. by nature, he violated the precept one day when one of his
. subjects presented him with a young wild boar. He withdrew
. the metal rod that was attached to his sword scabbard and
. stabbed the boar in the eyes with it, saying, “One of these
. days this is what We will do to that fellow We hate!”
. Prince Shōtoku, who happened to be present, exclaimed, “Ah,
. what a fearful thing to do! Your Majesty will surely arouse
. the enmity of others. These very words you have spoken will
. be the sword that wounds you.” The prince then ordered
. articles of value to be brought out and divided among those
. who had heard the emperor’s remark, [hoping to buy their
. silence]. One of them, however, told the Great Minister
. Soga no Umako about the episode. Umako, believing that he
. was the one the emperor hated, won over Atai Goma, the son
. of Azumanoaya no Atai Iwai, and had him kill the emperor.
.
. Thus even a ruler on a throne must take care not to give
. unreserved expression to his thoughts. The worthy man
. Confucius held to his belief “Nine thoughts to one word,”
. which means that he reconsidered nine times before he
. spoke. Tan, the Duke of Chou, was so earnest in receiving
. callers that he would wring out his hair three times in the
. course of washing it, or spit out his food three times in
. the course of a meal [in order not to keep them waiting].
. Consider this carefully so that you will have no cause to
. reproach me later. What is called Buddhism is found in this
. behavior.
.
. The heart of the Buddha’s lifetime of teachings is the
. Lotus Sutra, and the heart of the practice of the Lotus
. Sutra is found in the “Never Disparaging” chapter. What
. does Bodhisattva Never Disparaging’s profound respect for
. people signify? The purpose of the appearance in this world
. of Shakyamuni Buddha, the lord of teachings, lies in his
. behavior as a human being.
.
. Respectfully.
.
. THE WISE MAY BE CALLED HUMAN, BUT THE THOUGHTLESS ARE NO
. MORE THAN ANIMALS.
.
. Nichiren
.
. The eleventh day of the ninth month in the third year of
. Kenji (1277), cyclical sign hinoto-ushi
.
. Reply to Shijō Saemon-no-jō
Ignoring Nichiren Daishonin blatantly when he urges you to stop your slander of the Law, and then calling him a latter commentator as you have repeatedly done, and then misquoting him to achieve and edge over someone else is a sizable insult to the Daishonin, I would assume. Unwise and thoughtless, too, I reckon.
-Chas.
Here is the full passage with the ending un-snipped.
From "The Three Kinds of Treasure", WND I, p. 851-2:
. It is rare to be born a human being. The number of those
. endowed with human life is as small as the amount of earth
. one can place on a fingernail. Life as a human being is
. hard to sustain—as hard as it is for the dew to remain on
. the grass. But it is better to live a single day with honor
. than to live to 120 and die in disgrace. Live so that all
. the people of Kamakura will say in your praise that
. Nakatsukasa Saburō Saemon-no-jō is diligent in the service
. of his lord, in the service of Buddhism, and in his concern
. for other people. More valuable than treasures in a
. storehouse are the treasures of the body, and the treasures
. of the heart are the most valuable of all. From the time
. you read this letter on, strive to accumulate the treasures
. of the heart!
.
. I would like to relate an incident that is customarily kept
. secret. In the history of Japan, there have been two
. emperors who were assassinated. One of them was Emperor
. Sushun. He was a son of Emperor Kimmei and an uncle of
. Prince Shōtoku. One day during his reign as the
. thirty-third sovereign, he summoned Prince Shōtoku and
. said, “We hear that you are a man of sacred wisdom. Examine
. Our physiognomy and tell Us what you see there!” The prince
. declined three times, but the emperor insisted that he obey
. the imperial command. Finally, no longer able to refuse,
. the prince reverently examined Sushun’s physiognomy and
. then reported, “Your Majesty’s countenance indicates that
. you will be assassinated.”
.
. The emperor’s complexion changed color. “What evidence do
. you have to support such a contention?” he asked. The
. prince replied, “I see red veins running over your eyes.
. This is a sign that you will incur the enmity of others.”
. Thereupon the emperor asked, “How can We escape this fate?”
. The prince said: “It is difficult to evade. But there are
. soldiers known as the five constant virtues. As long as you
. keep these warriors on your side, you will be safe from
. danger. In the Buddhist scriptures these soldiers are
. referred to as the ‘practice of forbearance,’ one of the
. six pāramitās.”
.
. For some time after that, Emperor Sushun faithfully
. observed the practice of forbearance. But, being irascible
. by nature, he violated the precept one day when one of his
. subjects presented him with a young wild boar. He withdrew
. the metal rod that was attached to his sword scabbard and
. stabbed the boar in the eyes with it, saying, “One of these
. days this is what We will do to that fellow We hate!”
. Prince Shōtoku, who happened to be present, exclaimed, “Ah,
. what a fearful thing to do! Your Majesty will surely arouse
. the enmity of others. These very words you have spoken will
. be the sword that wounds you.” The prince then ordered
. articles of value to be brought out and divided among those
. who had heard the emperor’s remark, [hoping to buy their
. silence]. One of them, however, told the Great Minister
. Soga no Umako about the episode. Umako, believing that he
. was the one the emperor hated, won over Atai Goma, the son
. of Azumanoaya no Atai Iwai, and had him kill the emperor.
.
. Thus even a ruler on a throne must take care not to give
. unreserved expression to his thoughts. The worthy man
. Confucius held to his belief “Nine thoughts to one word,”
. which means that he reconsidered nine times before he
. spoke. Tan, the Duke of Chou, was so earnest in receiving
. callers that he would wring out his hair three times in the
. course of washing it, or spit out his food three times in
. the course of a meal [in order not to keep them waiting].
. Consider this carefully so that you will have no cause to
. reproach me later. What is called Buddhism is found in this
. behavior.
.
. The heart of the Buddha’s lifetime of teachings is the
. Lotus Sutra, and the heart of the practice of the Lotus
. Sutra is found in the “Never Disparaging” chapter. What
. does Bodhisattva Never Disparaging’s profound respect for
. people signify? The purpose of the appearance in this world
. of Shakyamuni Buddha, the lord of teachings, lies in his
. behavior as a human being.
.
. Respectfully.
.
. THE WISE MAY BE CALLED HUMAN, BUT THE THOUGHTLESS ARE NO
. MORE THAN ANIMALS.
.
. Nichiren
.
. The eleventh day of the ninth month in the third year of
. Kenji (1277), cyclical sign hinoto-ushi
.
. Reply to Shijō Saemon-no-jō
Ignoring Nichiren Daishonin blatantly when he urges you to stop your slander of the Law, and then calling him a latter commentator as you have repeatedly done, and then misquoting him to achieve and edge over someone else is a sizable insult to the Daishonin, I would assume. Unwise and thoughtless, too, I reckon.
-Chas.
iainx...@gmail.com
May 14, 2016, 4:29:57 PM5/14/16
to
Nope "Chasx I'm not going to let you wriggle out if it. This is tge cgallrnge I have set, it's specific, do you acceot or not? Yes or No.
iainx...@gmail.com
May 14, 2016, 4:35:45 PM5/14/16
to
We have not had a doctrinal debate Chas not in thus and not using Gosho but now you are running because I have set yiu a challenge you know you cannot win.
The challenge is specific and tge prior context is irrelevant. As you well know. You are kicking over chairs to make your escape.
Now, do you accept this specific challenge or not Chas? Yes or no?
The challenge is specific and tge prior context is irrelevant. As you well know. You are kicking over chairs to make your escape.
Now, do you accept this specific challenge or not Chas? Yes or no?
iainx...@gmail.com
May 14, 2016, 7:31:22 PM5/14/16
to
Thanks Chas but thus assertion as also false "Ignoring Nichiren Daishonin blatantly when he urges you to stop your slander of the Law,"
Now you must support your false assertion with evidence from my posting. I think you will find that is the opposite way around.
You must also now support, with Gosho that Nichiren did not cinsider himself a latter commentator and dud not argue his case from that position.
You will account for contrary evidence when you do so and provide cogent explantions.
So now you have three specific challenges to meet. Two involving Gosho in two doctrinal debates and the other to provide evidence from my oosting if supposed slander of the Law. Suppirted by Gosho in context and with contrary evidence accounted for.
Ooh that will keep the backroom boys and girls busy scrurrying to desperately develop lines and angles.
I'm waiting.
Be well :D
Now you must support your false assertion with evidence from my posting. I think you will find that is the opposite way around.
You must also now support, with Gosho that Nichiren did not cinsider himself a latter commentator and dud not argue his case from that position.
You will account for contrary evidence when you do so and provide cogent explantions.
So now you have three specific challenges to meet. Two involving Gosho in two doctrinal debates and the other to provide evidence from my oosting if supposed slander of the Law. Suppirted by Gosho in context and with contrary evidence accounted for.
Ooh that will keep the backroom boys and girls busy scrurrying to desperately develop lines and angles.
I'm waiting.
Be well :D
Chas.
May 15, 2016, 12:24:11 PM5/15/16
to
As I said, we are already debating these topics, and need not start a separate debate, where I will repeat the same arguments that you will completely ignore or misconstrue and distort in restatement. You are too intellectually dishonest to debate that way.
We will continue to debate these and other topics in the free-form way we have done so far. Simply parsing your dyslexic output is work enough for me apart from re-marshaling and re-presenting everything I have said once again.
Your continual declarations of self-affirmed victory will continue apace, I am certain of that. Perhaps you will move to crony-affirmed victories, now that you are assembling your syncretic Shinto-Iain-Sangha?
-Chas.
We will continue to debate these and other topics in the free-form way we have done so far. Simply parsing your dyslexic output is work enough for me apart from re-marshaling and re-presenting everything I have said once again.
Your continual declarations of self-affirmed victory will continue apace, I am certain of that. Perhaps you will move to crony-affirmed victories, now that you are assembling your syncretic Shinto-Iain-Sangha?
-Chas.
iainx...@gmail.com
May 16, 2016, 5:51:06 PM5/16/16
to
Thanks Chas, nope tgis will not do. I have challenged you to a doctrinal debate on a very specific point that has not been covered, that is the centeal assertion of you and the current SGI regarding transmission of the Law through the mystic bond mentor and disciple. I expect you to be able to provide the relevant Gosho passages that support your claim and account for any contra evidence in Gosho.
I do not want opinions, I want Gosho and your argument based solely on that.
That debate has not yet taken place. Now us your chance to refute me if you can.
It is surprising Chas that someone who claims to be in such a strong position and who relentlessly quotes Gosho would not simply pull the relevant passages, demolish their opponent (me) and have done with it.
If course we both know you cannot do that. And that is why your now making excuses for avoiding the debate.
So, what is it to be Chas? Yes or No?
I will take a further post from you that seeks to excuse yourself as a "No". You either enter the debate and have done with this once and for all or you decline the debate by orevaricating and making excuses. In which case you lisr, you cannot support your position or the current SGI teaching of mentor disciple based on Gosho, based on Nichiren's teaching.
Careful how you answer Chas, I will refer back to your answer and debate or lack of it whenever you seek to defend the mentor disciple teaching or indeed refer to mentor. Your choice buddy.
In the other points, you accused me of slandering the Law. You will now support your libelous position with evidence from my posting, quoted in context.
You will also support the other doctrinal debate you ooened based on Gosho.
I maybe dyslexic, my gift, but don't make the mistake that I'm stupid. Typos are a minor inconvenience and a small price to pay for such a gift. When you can hold perfect 3 and 4 dimensional models in your head and slice through them from any veiwing angle or extrapolate out accurate probability fields with ease, come talk to me about the limits of dyslexia, otherwise just try to keep up will you? ;)
Lool I bet you never had to teach yourself how to read and write because your brain is already wired for it, mine isn't. So much for your mentor disciple theory but it figures why you need someone to tell you what to do, you didn't work out how to do it for yourself. Basically, you're lazy. ;)
Be well :)
I do not want opinions, I want Gosho and your argument based solely on that.
That debate has not yet taken place. Now us your chance to refute me if you can.
It is surprising Chas that someone who claims to be in such a strong position and who relentlessly quotes Gosho would not simply pull the relevant passages, demolish their opponent (me) and have done with it.
If course we both know you cannot do that. And that is why your now making excuses for avoiding the debate.
So, what is it to be Chas? Yes or No?
I will take a further post from you that seeks to excuse yourself as a "No". You either enter the debate and have done with this once and for all or you decline the debate by orevaricating and making excuses. In which case you lisr, you cannot support your position or the current SGI teaching of mentor disciple based on Gosho, based on Nichiren's teaching.
Careful how you answer Chas, I will refer back to your answer and debate or lack of it whenever you seek to defend the mentor disciple teaching or indeed refer to mentor. Your choice buddy.
In the other points, you accused me of slandering the Law. You will now support your libelous position with evidence from my posting, quoted in context.
You will also support the other doctrinal debate you ooened based on Gosho.
I maybe dyslexic, my gift, but don't make the mistake that I'm stupid. Typos are a minor inconvenience and a small price to pay for such a gift. When you can hold perfect 3 and 4 dimensional models in your head and slice through them from any veiwing angle or extrapolate out accurate probability fields with ease, come talk to me about the limits of dyslexia, otherwise just try to keep up will you? ;)
Lool I bet you never had to teach yourself how to read and write because your brain is already wired for it, mine isn't. So much for your mentor disciple theory but it figures why you need someone to tell you what to do, you didn't work out how to do it for yourself. Basically, you're lazy. ;)
Be well :)
Mark Rogow
May 17, 2016, 12:11:52 AM5/17/16
to
On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 1:18:31 AM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
> Mark I have no experience with over priest. So calm down and explain in a way that I can understand what your point is. I am open minded and reasonable. I truly believe hatred is not the way of Buddhism rather true dialogue is the path Nichiren took with those who were not experienced or ignorant.
> Sincerely, Richard
As Nichiren stated, "My only hatred is for slander of the Law.". The Nichiren Shoshu priests forged the Daigohonzon and many Gosho. What could be a more serious slander of the Law?
> Mark I have no experience with over priest. So calm down and explain in a way that I can understand what your point is. I am open minded and reasonable. I truly believe hatred is not the way of Buddhism rather true dialogue is the path Nichiren took with those who were not experienced or ignorant.
> Sincerely, Richard
Mark
Mark Rogow
May 17, 2016, 12:27:55 AM5/17/16
to
"...The villainous Tojo Saemon Kagenobu once hunted the deer and other animals kept by Seicho-ji, and tried to force the priests in the various lodging temples to become Nembutsu believers. At that time I pitted myself against Tojo and supported the lord of the manor. I composed a fervent oath that read, “If the two temples Kiyosumi and Futama should come into Tojo’s possession, I will discard the Lotus Sutra!” Then I tied it to the hand of the object of devotion, to which I prayed continuously. Within a year, both temples had been freed from Tojo’s grasp. Certainly Bodhisattva Space Treasury will never forget this, so how can those priests who make light of me avoid being forsaken by the heavenly gods? Hearing me say this, the more foolish of you may think that I am invoking a curse upon you. But that is not so. I am warning you simply because it would be a pity if you should fall into the hell of incessant suffering after your death."
SGI members couldn't even save "The High Sanctuary of the Ten Thousand Years and More of the Latter Age" from the clutches of "the evil Nikken sect" with trillions of Daimoku and oaths on every SGI altar.
SGI members could not even cross a moat a few yards wide. How can they hope to get across the great ocean of life and death?
Likewise, you Chas, despite your millions of truncated Daimoku will not realize the dream of the Great Wish, as long as you remain SGI.
Mark
iainx...@gmail.com
May 19, 2016, 12:45:07 PM5/19/16
to
Thanks Chas, so you have done what you have with every other challenge that is too strong to meet, run away.
By not responding and not accepting tge challenge to debate the specific point on mentor-disciple transmission, based on Gosho, you have declined the challlenge.
You have also declined to support your accusation against me of slander based on my posting.
I will refer back to this post whenever you claim SGI is following correct teaching, whenever you refer to mentor ir whenever you seek to discredit or make false accusations against any poster.
Well done Chas. Thanks for being so obliging. :)
Be well :)
By not responding and not accepting tge challenge to debate the specific point on mentor-disciple transmission, based on Gosho, you have declined the challlenge.
You have also declined to support your accusation against me of slander based on my posting.
I will refer back to this post whenever you claim SGI is following correct teaching, whenever you refer to mentor ir whenever you seek to discredit or make false accusations against any poster.
Well done Chas. Thanks for being so obliging. :)
Be well :)
Chas.
May 20, 2016, 11:37:14 AM5/20/16
to
This is very babyish behavior, Iain. Why not act like an adult and continue the debate. I will certainly debate you to the end of time on this topic, because I'm right and you're wrong.
-Chas.
-Chas.
iainx...@gmail.com
May 22, 2016, 1:59:09 PM5/22/16
to
Thanks Chas, let's cut through this gordian nonesense your trying to tie.
If you are right and I am wrong, set your "adult" example to this "baby" present your Gosho quotes now, accounting cogently for contra Gosho evidence. Just as I have invited you to.
I'm not into your opinions Chas, I have set a specific challenge that so far by your behaviour you are signalling you cannot meet, that is you cannot support the current SGI position based on Nichiren's Gosho.
Chas, if you could, you'd have pulled that quote(s) and posted it in double quick time. You haven't because you can't, I know you can't and now so does everyone else. :)
Like I said, you are an instrument of the Law, you have absolutely no choice than to efficiently and progressively undermine your position and the corrupt and deviant SGI teaching of transmission of the Law through the mystic bond of mentor-disciple.
My position is "entry is through faith alone" and that Nichiren taught faith, having clarified what the correct object of worship was.
I have a whole lifetime of Nichiren's teaching to support my position and refute yours.
You have nothing. All you have is what SGI study department and their business consultants have come up with as tertiary commentary and twisted interpretations of Gosho and Sutra.
You have nothing in Gosho itself. This is why you don't post your refernces and quotes. That's why you try to conflate a general discussion about mentor disciple with a doctrinal debate. The two are different, as you well know.
I invite readers to read this thread and note the very specific (caps for emphasis) DOCTRINAL challenge BASED ON GOSHO, that I have set down and that you have refused to take up.
I also invite them to use the forum index to look at the mentor disciple discussion so far and confirm that a doctrinal debate based on Gosho on this specific point has not taken place.
I also invite them to note that you accused ne if slandering the Law but have not supported your accusation by presenting evidence of such from my postings, despite being asked to. And I invite tgem tonote you opened a furtger set of conjectures and dalse assertions and have now likewise supported tgeze based on Gosho either.
In short, I invite readers to note the pattern of your posting and debating, to maje false claims, libelous accusations and wild assertions that you cannot and do not then support. And to note the inconsistency between times when you post copious Gosho and your refusal to do so now.
I also ask them to note that you self identify as an SGI member who follows and defends current SGI teaching. I leave them to draw their own conclusions about the the SGI and it's teaching based on your posting style, tone and content.
Chas, you have been following the way of mentor disciple for how long? 40 years. You therefore must be a good example of what that way leads to. Readers can read your posting and decide the truth of the matter for themselves.
Youth Division, if you're in here I urge you to take the time to do this and chant sincere Daimoku with the mind of faith only and directly study Nichiren to ensure you are correct.
"The reason for the Buddha's appearance in the world lies in his behaviour as a human being". Nice one Chas, well played.
"This is very babyish behavior, Iain. Why not act like an adult and continue the debate. I will certainly debate you to the end of time on this topic, because I'm right and you're wrong."
Be well Chas. :)
If you are right and I am wrong, set your "adult" example to this "baby" present your Gosho quotes now, accounting cogently for contra Gosho evidence. Just as I have invited you to.
I'm not into your opinions Chas, I have set a specific challenge that so far by your behaviour you are signalling you cannot meet, that is you cannot support the current SGI position based on Nichiren's Gosho.
Chas, if you could, you'd have pulled that quote(s) and posted it in double quick time. You haven't because you can't, I know you can't and now so does everyone else. :)
Like I said, you are an instrument of the Law, you have absolutely no choice than to efficiently and progressively undermine your position and the corrupt and deviant SGI teaching of transmission of the Law through the mystic bond of mentor-disciple.
My position is "entry is through faith alone" and that Nichiren taught faith, having clarified what the correct object of worship was.
I have a whole lifetime of Nichiren's teaching to support my position and refute yours.
You have nothing. All you have is what SGI study department and their business consultants have come up with as tertiary commentary and twisted interpretations of Gosho and Sutra.
You have nothing in Gosho itself. This is why you don't post your refernces and quotes. That's why you try to conflate a general discussion about mentor disciple with a doctrinal debate. The two are different, as you well know.
I invite readers to read this thread and note the very specific (caps for emphasis) DOCTRINAL challenge BASED ON GOSHO, that I have set down and that you have refused to take up.
I also invite them to use the forum index to look at the mentor disciple discussion so far and confirm that a doctrinal debate based on Gosho on this specific point has not taken place.
I also invite them to note that you accused ne if slandering the Law but have not supported your accusation by presenting evidence of such from my postings, despite being asked to. And I invite tgem tonote you opened a furtger set of conjectures and dalse assertions and have now likewise supported tgeze based on Gosho either.
In short, I invite readers to note the pattern of your posting and debating, to maje false claims, libelous accusations and wild assertions that you cannot and do not then support. And to note the inconsistency between times when you post copious Gosho and your refusal to do so now.
I also ask them to note that you self identify as an SGI member who follows and defends current SGI teaching. I leave them to draw their own conclusions about the the SGI and it's teaching based on your posting style, tone and content.
Chas, you have been following the way of mentor disciple for how long? 40 years. You therefore must be a good example of what that way leads to. Readers can read your posting and decide the truth of the matter for themselves.
Youth Division, if you're in here I urge you to take the time to do this and chant sincere Daimoku with the mind of faith only and directly study Nichiren to ensure you are correct.
"The reason for the Buddha's appearance in the world lies in his behaviour as a human being". Nice one Chas, well played.
"This is very babyish behavior, Iain. Why not act like an adult and continue the debate. I will certainly debate you to the end of time on this topic, because I'm right and you're wrong."
Chas.
May 22, 2016, 2:15:02 PM5/22/16
to
You maintained that Nichiren Daishonin is merely a "latter commentator" and not to be taken as the truth. Deny it and I will point you where you said it: when you challenged my statement regarding "make the Gosho your mentor".
Hence, your choice to only quote the Gosho is inconsistent with your other comments regarding Nichiren Daishonin.
-Chas.
Hence, your choice to only quote the Gosho is inconsistent with your other comments regarding Nichiren Daishonin.
-Chas.
Chas.
May 22, 2016, 2:17:21 PM5/22/16
to
-Chas.
Chas.
May 22, 2016, 2:19:50 PM5/22/16
to
On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 10:59:09 AM UTC-7, iainx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> "The reason for the Buddha's appearance in the world lies in his behaviour as a human being". Nice one Chas, well played.
>
Not playing Iain, this is not a game to me. I was simply pointing out how you misquote the Gosho to control others and how wicked that is.
>
> "The reason for the Buddha's appearance in the world lies in his behaviour as a human being". Nice one Chas, well played.
>
-Chas.
iainx...@gmail.com
May 22, 2016, 4:15:14 PM5/22/16
to
Thanks Chas, it's not a game to me either, it's deadly serious but it's fine for you to run away. I'm just atepping over the chairs you're trying to kick into my path as I chase you into the sun.
Readers can see that you only refuse to enter the doctrinal debate on the specific point of mentor-disciple transmission based on gosho because you cannot. They are not stupid and I trust them to look and see.
Your Gosho misquote false assertion is rather like your accusation of slander, another thing you cannot support with evidence.
You can call me names Chas, I'm relaxed about that.
Wickedness is teaching people that the Law is inherited through a transmission of the mystic bond of mentor-disciple, rather than faith, it's redefining the Daimoku to support SGI corporate aims, itcs displacing the Gohonzon and marginalising it and corrupting the faith that Nichiren teaches and it's point blank refusing to back up these claims and actions with Gosho.
Oh and just in case you thought I hadn't noticed, I understand that your SGI masters and those desoerate boys and girls in the backroom have indeed found an angle that they think might just work. This is the "misquoting Gosho to control others" line you've now started using.
So let's head that one off at the pass. The way your SGI masters hope this will work is to lessen the impact and damage to SGI teaching by Gosho and Nichiren's teaching.
The design of this ploy is to develop the belief (or enhance it in SGI members) that only SGI interpretation of Gosho, usually in the form of Mr Ikeda or the "Mentor's" lectures, is correct, no matter how deviant or outlandish. Everything else can be claimed as a misquote or a form of "wickedness".
Of course for this to work, ascribing nefarious motivatiins to those presenting non SGI veiws becomes important, hence the strategy snd tactics you have tried with me and SGI more generally tries with others.
Also, members have to be distant from Daimoku and the Gohonzon and their faith in these things as the final arbiter has to be weak or undermined.
Without this reliable way of checking, SGI can control members using the guidance and lectures their leaders produce.
The "misquote" tactic also weakens believers faith in their own capability to read gosho directly, chant about it and correctly understand it. Put simply, it creates a false sense within them that they could get it wrong, thus making them more dependent on SGI interpretations. This is NOT the SGI way of yesteryear, which placed absolute trust in members Daimoku and study alone to determine whether to accept or reject SGI guidance.
I draw your attention to the passage from Dick Causton's book that I quoted and referenced in another thread, that explicitly makes this point.
I invite readers to check my postings, to see how often I reference my Gosho quotes, to note how many times I make the statement "make up their own minds" or some similar, how often I urge decisions to be made solely on Daimoku, urge direct reading and study of the Gosho, how often I urge them to do their own reasearch in different organisations and veiwpoints. Now that seems a pretty strange way to attempt to control others, does it not? By giving a wide range of sources and trusting others to come to their own conclusions.
So the "control" tactic, which in the SGI attack plan, no doubt fits in with the other false assertions you've been putting forth and have been failing to develop, setting up a sangha or new buddhism, rival to Mr Ikeda etc., that tactic fails too.
So lets get back to Gosho, can you quote a passage that supports mentor dusciple transmission through a mystic bond? If so, do it now and account for contra evidence.
Be well Chas. :)
Readers can see that you only refuse to enter the doctrinal debate on the specific point of mentor-disciple transmission based on gosho because you cannot. They are not stupid and I trust them to look and see.
Your Gosho misquote false assertion is rather like your accusation of slander, another thing you cannot support with evidence.
You can call me names Chas, I'm relaxed about that.
Wickedness is teaching people that the Law is inherited through a transmission of the mystic bond of mentor-disciple, rather than faith, it's redefining the Daimoku to support SGI corporate aims, itcs displacing the Gohonzon and marginalising it and corrupting the faith that Nichiren teaches and it's point blank refusing to back up these claims and actions with Gosho.
Oh and just in case you thought I hadn't noticed, I understand that your SGI masters and those desoerate boys and girls in the backroom have indeed found an angle that they think might just work. This is the "misquoting Gosho to control others" line you've now started using.
So let's head that one off at the pass. The way your SGI masters hope this will work is to lessen the impact and damage to SGI teaching by Gosho and Nichiren's teaching.
The design of this ploy is to develop the belief (or enhance it in SGI members) that only SGI interpretation of Gosho, usually in the form of Mr Ikeda or the "Mentor's" lectures, is correct, no matter how deviant or outlandish. Everything else can be claimed as a misquote or a form of "wickedness".
Of course for this to work, ascribing nefarious motivatiins to those presenting non SGI veiws becomes important, hence the strategy snd tactics you have tried with me and SGI more generally tries with others.
Also, members have to be distant from Daimoku and the Gohonzon and their faith in these things as the final arbiter has to be weak or undermined.
Without this reliable way of checking, SGI can control members using the guidance and lectures their leaders produce.
The "misquote" tactic also weakens believers faith in their own capability to read gosho directly, chant about it and correctly understand it. Put simply, it creates a false sense within them that they could get it wrong, thus making them more dependent on SGI interpretations. This is NOT the SGI way of yesteryear, which placed absolute trust in members Daimoku and study alone to determine whether to accept or reject SGI guidance.
I draw your attention to the passage from Dick Causton's book that I quoted and referenced in another thread, that explicitly makes this point.
I invite readers to check my postings, to see how often I reference my Gosho quotes, to note how many times I make the statement "make up their own minds" or some similar, how often I urge decisions to be made solely on Daimoku, urge direct reading and study of the Gosho, how often I urge them to do their own reasearch in different organisations and veiwpoints. Now that seems a pretty strange way to attempt to control others, does it not? By giving a wide range of sources and trusting others to come to their own conclusions.
So the "control" tactic, which in the SGI attack plan, no doubt fits in with the other false assertions you've been putting forth and have been failing to develop, setting up a sangha or new buddhism, rival to Mr Ikeda etc., that tactic fails too.
So lets get back to Gosho, can you quote a passage that supports mentor dusciple transmission through a mystic bond? If so, do it now and account for contra evidence.
Be well Chas. :)
kahlei...@gmail.com
May 22, 2016, 4:53:07 PM5/22/16
to
"Chas, you have been following the way of mentor disciple for how long? 40 years. You therefore must be a good example of what that way leads to. Readers can read your posting and decide the truth of the matter for themselves."
Have read enough really to know what i believe the behaviour examplifies and i am fortunate for the lesson in how not to behave....it's great benefit of this forum to see 'correct' and 'incorrect' behaviour. Im determined to have the ichinen to continue to have and express profound indistructable happiness and joy that you feel through value creating words. At 40 years of practice i would not want to express myself in a way that puts people off the practice and negates the "joy derived from the law".
"(Edit by me !!) ANY Division, if you're in here I urge you to take the time to do this and chant sincere Daimoku with the mind of faith only and directly study Nichiren to ensure you are correct. has, you have been following the way of mentor disciple for how long? 40 years. You therefore must be a good example of what that way leads to. Readers can read your posting and decide the truth of the matter for themselves"
On it....☺
Youth Division, if you're in here I urge you to take the time to do this and chant sincere Daimoku with the mind of faith only and directly study Nichiren to ensure you are correct.
Mark Rogow
May 22, 2016, 6:41:57 PM5/22/16
to
The Buddhist doctrines preached by scholars these days are regarded by most people as gentle words, truthful words, but in fact they are all harsh words and deceptive words. I say this because they are at variance with the Lotus Sutra, which embodies the Buddha’s true intention.
On the other hand, when I proclaim that the practitioners of the Nembutsu will fall into the hell of incessant suffering or declare that the Zen and True Word schools are likewise in error, people may think I am uttering harsh words, but in fact I am speaking truthful and gentle words. As an example, I may point to the fact that Dōzen-bō has embraced the Lotus Sutra and fashioned an image of Shakyamuni Buddha, actions that came about because I spoke harshly to him. And the same thing holds true for all the people of Japan. Ten or more years ago, virtually everyone was reciting the Nembutsu. But now, out of ten persons, you will find that one or two chant only Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, while two or three recite it along with the Nembutsu. And even among those who recite the Nembutsu exclusively, there are those who have begun to have doubts and so in their hearts believe in the Lotus Sutra; some have even begun to paint or carve images of Shakyamuni Buddha. All this, too, has come about because I have spoken harsh words.
This response is like the fragrant sandalwood trees that grow among the groves of foul-smelling eranda trees, or lotus blossoms that rise from the mud. Thus, when I proclaim that the followers of the Nembutsu will fall into the hell of incessant suffering, the “wise men” of our day, who are in fact no wiser than cattle or horses, may venture to attack my doctrines. But in truth they are like scavenger dogs barking at the lion king, or foolish monkeys laughing at the god Shakra."
iainx...@gmail.com
May 25, 2016, 4:45:23 PM5/25/16
to
Too important to get lost in the jumble of one post wonders... :)
0 new messages