america supports terrorism

[Oleg Smirnov]

<https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv> consortiumnews.com

Did Obama Arm Islamic State Killers?

Daniel Lazare | December 21, 2017

Did Barack Obama arm ISIS? The question strikes many people as absurd, if not
offensive. How can anyone suggest something so awful about a nice guy like the
former president? But a stunning report
<http://www.conflictarm.com/publications/> by an investigative group known as
Conflict Armament Research (CAR) leaves us little choice but to conclude that
he did. .. This is damning stuff since it makes it clear that rather than
fighting ISIS, the U.S. government was feeding it. ..

Read more <https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv>

[Jonathan]

On 12/23/2017 7:20 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:



Russia only 'owns' the western half of Syria
and the eastern slice of Ukraine.

The rest is either under American influence
or will be soon enough, I read the US
now has more troops in Syria than Russia
and our troops our pouring in while
Russian troops are limping out.

And Ukraine is begging the US for more
of everything while fighting Russia
every day, soon with advanced US
anti-tank 'fire and forget' Javelins.

Nice job Putin.

--

"To paraphrase the Buddha — Three things cannot be long hidden:
the sun; the moon; and the truth. ‬

“But let justice roll down like waters and righteousness
like an ever-flowing stream” Amos 5:24

~ Former FBI Director James Comey (12-1-17)


s

[Mr. B1ack]

On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 11:03:30 -0500, Jonathan <WriteI...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 12/23/2017 7:20 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>
>
>Russia only 'owns' the western half of Syria
>and the eastern slice of Ukraine.
>
>The rest is either under American influence
>or will be soon enough, I read the US
>now has more troops in Syria than Russia
>and our troops our pouring in while
>Russian troops are limping out.
>
>And Ukraine is begging the US for more
>of everything while fighting Russia
>every day, soon with advanced US
>anti-tank 'fire and forget' Javelins.
>
>Nice job Putin.

Russia will never give up Crimea because of
the security/commercial/historical value. MIGHT
be talked out of that little slice of east Ukraine
however.

This whole fuck-up started when the EU and Obama
got the idea of starting a coup to toss the democratically-
elected Ukranian govt. Gas/Oil interests seem to have
been the underlying motivator. Russia kind of looked
at it the same way we'd look at an Iranian-backed coup
taking over Canada.

I wonder how much the EU/US were involved in the
attempted coup in Turkey ? Another big clusterfuck
there ... now Erdogan and Putin are all buddy-buddy
and the west is seen as The Enemy.

Nice job Obama.

[Jonathan]

Well, Putin lost 80% of his single most
important geopolitical asset in Ukraine.
Putin's only real geopolitical asset
was Ukraine, and Putin lost it under
Obama.

And Putin's second most important
geopolitical asset, Assad, was weeks
away from collapsing before Putin
was forced into a semi permanent
quagmire that'll drag Russia down
for probably another decade.

Putin already had Crimea under his
thumb before all that happened, only
now it's officially annexed and
costing Putin all those sanctions
that hang around his neck as long
as he continues to hold onto it.


So yes, nice job Pres Obama.

[Byker]

Russia supports terrorism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_and_the_Soviet_Union

http://neweasterneurope.eu/interviews/1461-is-russia-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/alexander-j-motyl/putin%E2%80%99s-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism

Get your own house in order before you bitch about ours...

[Oleg Smirnov]

Byker the Shithead, <news:oYOdncfCQKgSWtzH...@supernews.com>

> http://neweasterneurope.eu/interviews/1461-is-russia-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism
>
> http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/alexander-j-motyl/putin%E2%80%99s-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism
>
> Get your own house in order before you bitch about ours...

Ha-ha, pathetic.

The Militias in Donbas are fighting for freedom against the oppressive regime
(which is really bound with some terror policies against those Ukrainians who
aren't happy much about the regime). And the Donbas militias are in no way
engaged in 'politically motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatant
targets', they are supported by vast majority of locals (and composed mainly
of locals). And their representatives are legitimate signatories of the Minsk
agreements, together with the EU/European ones, btw.

Russia's humanitarian support for the people of Donbas is clearly open, it has
nothing to do with 'clandestine agents' etc, and all this has nothing to do
with terrorism.

...

In contrast, American support of ISIS and other terrorist groups in Syria,
composed of radical islamists, was well-proven by facts, and it is nothing but
STATE SPONSORSHIP OF TERRORISM BY the US GOVERNMENT.

...

<https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv> consortiumnews.com

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:p1sqsn$cc5$1...@os.motzarella.org...

Byker the Shithead, <news:oYOdncfCQKgSWtzH...@supernews.com>
>
>> http://neweasterneurope.eu/interviews/1461-is-russia-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism
>>
>> http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/alexander-j-motyl/putin%E2%80%99s-russia-state-sponsor-terrorism
>>
>> Get your own house in order before you bitch about ours...
>
> Ha-ha, pathetic.

Will you still be laughing when your tanks start going kablooey?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/20/politics/us-ukraine-weapons-export/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/23/us-officials-say-lethal-weapons-headed-to-ukraine.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-weapons-ukraine-20171222-story.html

http://thehill.com/policy/international/366242-trump-expected-to-sign-off-on-plan-to-sell-anti-tank-missiles-to-ukraine

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-23/russia-hawks-are-winning-trump-announce-anti-tank-missile-exports-ukraine?page=5

[Oleg Smirnov]

State sponsorship of terrorism by U.S. government.

<http://tinyurl.com/y85kh6js> nbcnews.com

ISIS weapons .. purchased by U.S. government

<http://tinyurl.com/ybyrgh2t> newsweek.com

HOW ISIS GOT WEAPONS FROM THE U.S. ..

<http://tinyurl.com/y9v3td6c> newsweek.com

U.S. MADE SECRET DEAL WITH ISIS ..

<http://tinyurl.com/y9uyu5n5> newsweek.com

.. U.S. MILITARY TRAINING ISIS ..



> <https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv>

[Wolffan]

On 2017 Dec 27, Oleg Smirnov wrote
(in article <p216fb$aed$1...@os.motzarella.org>):

Are you sure that you’re not really Jonny-boy? You’re certainly stupid
enough to be him...

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:p216fb$aed$1...@os.motzarella.org...

>
> State sponsorship of terrorism by U.S. government.

I suppose those nasty Americanskis are responsible for this one...
----------------------------------------------------------
10 people injured in St. Petersburg store explosion

December 28, 2017

A total of 10 people were injured on Wednesday in an explosion at a
supermarket in the Russian city of St. Petersburg, the Russian authorities
said.

The Russian National Anti-terrorism Committee said in a press release that
its operational headquarter is coordinating the activities of emergency
services, security agencies and law enforcement forces, and that measures
are taken to search for those involved in committing this crime.

The incident took place at about 18:45 (15:45 GMT), when an explosive device
placed in a locker went off at a supermarket in a shopping center in the
northern part of the city, causing injuries and damaging the shop.

"10 people have been taken to hospitals. The wounded people's lives are not
in danger," head of the Russian Investigative Committee's St. Petersburg
department Alexander Klaus said.

Dozens of people were evacuated from the building after the explosion, and
traffic control surrounding the crime scene was temporarily lifted, local
media reported.

The Investigative Committee has initiated a criminal case over the incident,
and an investigative team consisting of experts and officers from the
committee, the Federal Security Service (FSB) and the

Interior Ministry is currently working on the site of the incident, the
committee said in a statement.

According to a preliminary assessment, it was an improvised explosive device
stuffed with striking elements equivalent to 200 grams of TNT, a chemical
compound usually used as an explosive material, the statement said.

http://www.china.org.cn/world/2017-12/28/content_50171112.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdP2ez-nAmM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGwbzLAN2qk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izLeOsCXstA

[Siri Cruise]

In article <7aidnQJOyIacodnH...@supernews.com>,

"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

> I suppose those nasty Americanskis are responsible for this one...

Yes, the US government supports terrorism. If that bothers you, stop to end
instead of making excuses.

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[PaxPerPoten]

On 12/27/2017 4:21 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> State sponsorship of terrorism by U.S. government.

You should be getting your Rocks off tonight.

Barack Obama and Hillary(Hildebeast) are making the talk show to
denigrate current diplomacy and to shine up their very tarnished
reputations. I think both should be sent to Russia to negotiate with
Putin. That man really loves those two. ;-p I share his opinion on that
matter.

--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

[Oleg Smirnov]

<https://on.rt.com/8vse>

The US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) have provided RT's Ruptly
video service with footage confirming reports of a hundreds-strong Islamic
State convoy leaving its former stronghold, Raqqa, completely unimpeded...
.. there were about 1,000 injured IS fighters and about 2,000 who seemed
unhurt. .. allowed hundreds of IS terrorists to leave Raqqa peacefully in
a long convoy comprised of up to 50 trucks, more than a dozen buses and
around 100 other vehicles. ...

<https://www.sana.sy/?p=684497>

US military helicopters evacuated ISIS leaders from the Deir al-Zour area.

In the context of its policies in support of the terrorists "calling"
without reservation, the United States continues to evacuate the leaders of
the Takfiri organization in Syria, where sources revealed that the American
helicopters last night to transfer a new group of leaders, "Daash" from
several areas of the countryside of Deir Al-Zour to unknown areas Al-Hasakah
countryside.

According to the sources, a number of American helicopters came from the
northern countryside of Deir al-Zour last night and flew low over the al-
Sadd refugee camp. They landed near al-Bassel dam south of al-Hasakah,
carrying a number of leaders of the terrorist group "Da'ash" . ..

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y9dkx7ly> unz.com

Who Really Defeated ISIS?

DAVID WILLIAM PEAR | DECEMBER 31, 2017

.. The cynical sponsoring and siding with radical Islam goes back to the
British "Great Game" of the early 1900's. It was the British double-dealing
with both Sunnis and Shias to supplant the Ottoman Empire, and turn Sunni
against Shia to divide and conquer Southwest Asia. It is the story of Lawrence
of Arabia, Winston Churchill and World War One.

One could then pick up the story after World War Two when the US was opposing
Arab anti-colonial nationalism and communism during the Cold War. It was the
"Grand Chessboard" strategist Zbigniew Brzezinski who convinced Jimmy Carter
in 1980's to back the Islamic radical mujahideen mercenaries and destroy
Afghanistan in order to lure the Soviet Union into a Vietnam-type trap. ..

If Brzezinski was so clever he would have learned from the British early
1900's Southwest Asia super spy Gertrude Bell. As she would later say, the
British Empire encouraging and sponsoring of radical Islam backfired into a
big failure. But the US does not know history, even its own history of
repeated blunders of encouraging and sponsoring radical Islam against Arab
anti-colonial nationalism.

So instead the US enlisted the most radical right-wing fascist regime in the
history of the world, the Absolute Monarchy of Saudi Arabia to bankroll Sunnis
against Arab nationalism. They gladly funded US regime change projects against
secular Arab states. The US flush with cash from the Saudis went about
encouraging, training and paying mercenaries from all over Southwest Asia to
overthrow Bashar al-Assad. Assad did not share the US role as the world leader
of capitalist globalization. ..

It was the US and its allies the Absolute Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf
States that created ISIS. Mercenaries from all over the Muslim world were
recruited and even supported with their own air force, the United States
Airforce. The mainstream media gave the US the cover story the US was backing
"well-vetted moderate ['Jeffersonian democrats' really] Islamists". The
mainstream media are criminal coconspirators for spreading war propaganda, the
Guardian being one of the worst offenders, with a few rare exceptions, such as
Trevor Timm's reporting.

Now with the ringing in of the 2018 New Year, we can expect the US to be
patting itself on the back for defeating ISIS in 2017 . The real story is that
it was Assad, Russia, Hezbollah and Iran that defeated ISIS (so far). ..

...

Russian military support to Syrian army started autumn 2015. Before that, the
so called 'US-led coalition' only simulated their fight against ISIS while
some Atlanticist pundits promoted idea that the war against ISIS will take
many many years, maybe a decade etc etc. 'Fight against ISIS' was merely a
pretext, a way to justify the US military presence in the region.

Now, their claim they've defeated ISIS is a bold falsehood for domestic sheep.

> State sponsorship of terrorism by U.S. government.

> <https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv>

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y6tw3yyv> almasdarnews.com

Over 120 Syrian members of ISIS joined US-backed forces ..

BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:20 P.M.) - Over 400 Syrian members of the so-called Islamic
State (ISIS) were allegedly released by the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces
(SDF) in the Deir Ezzor Governorate .. Of the 400 terrorist that were
released, 120 former ISIS members agreed to join the Syrian Democratic Forces
in Deir Ezzor. ..

...



> <http://tinyurl.com/y9dkx7ly>
>
> Who Really Defeated ISIS?

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/ybqra9wk> southfront.org

US-BACKED FORCES RELEASE HUNDREDS OF ISIS MEMBERS, SOME OF THEM JOIN SDF
RANKS - REPORTS

10.01.2018

.. the SDF even allowed 120 former ISIS fighters from Deir Ezzor and
al-Hasakah governorates to join its ranks. The former ISIS fighters who joined
the SDF are all related to SDF leaders, according to the report.

The release of these former ISIS fighters led to the growth of tensions in
eastern Syria, as the locals who were victims of these fighters clashed with
them in many villages .. Fire arms were used by the new "SDF members" against
the locals. However, the US-backed forces didn't step in to end the clashes,
according to the source. ..

...



> <http://tinyurl.com/y6tw3yyv>

[bookoflife.org]

On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-8, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv> consortiumnews.com
...@eternal-september.org

fuck off creepo. use a real email address.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y8eohplq> moonofalabama.org

Syria - Volume of Al-Qaeda Propaganda Forecasts Syrian Army Success

January 13, 2018

The success of the current Syrian government operations against al-Qaeda in
Idleb governorate can be measured by the volume of U.S. propaganda against it.
A similar situation occurred when Aleppo was liberated from al-Qaeda's
control. Certain U.S. media, (non-)government-organizations and politicians
obviously prefer Takfiri al-Qaeda rule in Syria over control by the
legitimated secular government.

According to the various streams of such propaganda Idleb is crowded with
hospitals, bakeries and little children who all get "barrel bombed" by the
nefarious Iranians and Russians while no Takfiri militant can ever be seen. ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/y8eohplq>

...



> <http://tinyurl.com/ybqra9wk>

[Oleg Smirnov]

<https://sptnkne.ws/g2Y6>

Russian Journalists Blow Lid Off Alleged US Terrorist Training Network in
Syria

14.01.2018

Two Russian Syria-embedded journalists have put together a damning firsthand
report on the true purpose of the secrecy-laden US military mission at
At-Tanf, southern Syria. ..

Read more <https://sptnkne.ws/g2Y6>

Read original <http://tinyurl.com/ya2tl2y6>

[Oleg Smirnov]

Oleg Smirnov, <news:p3e177$8hv$1...@os.motzarella.org>
> Andrew Swallow, <news:w8ydnSyJcbatoMfH...@giganews.com>

>> These days the Lords have gone from rich hereditary landowners
>> (aristocrats) to friends of the (previous) prime ministers.
>
> The unelected powers still can affect and constraint policymaking.
>
> While it's true for any nation, the UK regime is one of more special
> examples where some of such powers are legitimized in a constitutional
> manner, which is somewhat similar to the Iranian democracy.

<http://tinyurl.com/yb7pz8mc> truepublica.org.uk

Many of the rules and institutions which constrain the actions of elected
governments are by their nature not democratic - in the narrow sense - because
they are not subject to popular endorsement. To take the most obvious
instance: if governments are to operate under the rule of law, then government
actions must be subject to review by the courts, and few in the UK believe
that judges should be appointed by popular election.
When British government ministers believe their plans are being obstructed by
the judiciary, the civil service or the House of Lords, they commonly now
argue that such resistance is politically illegitimate because these are
unelected institutions. It is only executive government which has legitimate
political power because it enjoys popular democratic endorsement. ..

...

Here an aboriginal thinker argues that too much elected powers is not good
while the fact that the elected powers are constrained by unelected ones is
actually good for the UK regime. He claims that 'over-representation of
democratic legitimacy' is rather a perverse virtue. 'The concept of democratic
mandate .. has arguably become dangerously over-extended.'

Putting aside the petty domestic issues related the island sovereign politics,
I can see that he basically wants to push the idea that while the ignorant
masses do vote, the establishment (the persistent 'deep state', 'elites') can
better know what is better for the nation, - so a disrespect to the unelected
powers is not good.

The question of interaction between elected and unelected powers within a
nation is itself a large and complex topic, and it's out of my focus here (I'd
simply noticed as statement of fact without good-bad evaluations that certain
unelected powers exist and affect policymaking in all nations, including those
that consider themselves democracies).

It's more interesting to me that the writer can't honestly recognize what the
UK regime really is in a constitutional sense: a hybrid of electoral democracy
and unelected power, where the latter constraints the former (and the thinker
himself considers such a situation a virtue). His stance is understandable,
given that 'democracy' has become heavily fetishized in 'western' usage, kind
of symbol of faith. People have been accustomed to use it without a rational
understanding of what it really is supposed to be. So, if a political system
is labeled 'democratic' then everything, even an unelected power, within it
must be somewhat a democracy, otherwise it wouldn't sound nice. So he chose to
slyly introduce 'democracy in the narrow sense' vs 'democracy in the broad
sense', where the latter includes unelected non-democratic powers. But when he
tries to reveal and clarify what exactly the euphemism 'democracy in the broad
sense' means, the only way he can do it is, - this is something that looks and
feels 'western'-like ("collection of attributes found in Western Europe and
North America"). Such a way of reasoning is pathetically feeble from the
perspective of rational social theorizing, however, it explains well the true
'western' attitudes about what to put 'democracy' label on.

Ultimately, it boils down to primitive baser tribalist concepts (with 'mature
democracies' - despite the fact that they actually aren't 'true' democracies -
against the rest of the world), which is a thing essentially of Nazi flawor.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/ybm372yp> therealnews.com

The US is Arming and Assisting Neo-Nazis in Ukraine ..
Known as a bastion of neo-Nazism, the Azov Battalion has received teams of
American military advisors and high powered US-made weapons

Max Blumenthal | January 18, 2018

.. Azov is a militia that has been incorporated into the Ukrainian National
Guard, and is considered one of the most effective units in the field against
pro-Russian separatists. But it also widely known as a bastion of neo-Nazism
within the ranks of the Ukrainian military that has been criticized by
international human rights groups, tied to an international fascist network
and even a major terror plot. ..

Though Washington has not embarked on anything in Ukraine like the billion
dollar train-and-equip program it implemented in Syria to promote regime
change through a proxy force of so-called "moderate rebels," there are clear
and disturbing similarities between the two projects. Just as heavy weapons
ostensibly intended for the CIA-backed Free Syrian Army went straight into the
hands of Salafi-jihadi insurgent forces, including ISIS, American weapons in
Ukraine are flowing directly to the extremists of Azov. .. In recent months, a
wide spectrum of observers of the Ukrainian civil war have documented the
transfer of heavy weapons made in the USA to the Azov Battalion, and right
under the nose of the US State Department. ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/ybm372yp>

...

The writer misrepresents the Azov 'militias' as if they were a marginal or
somehow sidelined formation, whereas it's actually a part of the post-coup
Ukrainian mainstream. After the anti-democratic 2014 coup, many people (and
politicians, and media figures etc) in the country are intimidated, and they
prefer not to say openly what they really think about such militias. The
neo-Nazi Azov is in fact an elite unit within the 'National Guard', they are
officially being respected as sort of 'national heroes', and the slavish
domestic mass media picture them in a positive light. If the US delivers
advanced weapons to the Ukraine, then the Azov fighters will anyway be the
first to use these weapons (but it will anyway not help these scum to conquer
the people of Donbas).



> <http://tinyurl.com/ybqra9wk>

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://theweek.com/articles/737515/how-america-creates-terrorists>

How America creates terrorists

Ryan Cooper | November 16, 2017

Yemen is in hell. Over the past few weeks, Saudi Arabia has tightened its
strangling blockade of the country, trying to starve out the Houthi rebels ..
America is directly participating in this blockade. It would not happen
without our sufferance, and we could stop it at any moment. It's precisely the
kind of thing that fuels furious anti-American hatred and terrorism. ..

<http://tinyurl.com/y8sey4o8> fair.org

WaPo Editor Blames Lack of US Leadership for Famine Caused by US Leadership

ADAM JOHNSON | JANUARY 23, 2018

...

Such a delusional pig on the opioids.

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:p4e5ka$fqm$2...@os.motzarella.org...

>
> America is directly participating in this blockade. It would not happen
> without our sufferance, and we could stop it at any moment.

The moment we stop it, Riyadh will come under 24/7 Houthi missile
bombardment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4tvSxBQJAE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2job2NoLsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKxnPq0wFRg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0XmLVwRVOw

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y9z3n9g9>

<https://sott.net/en376355>

.. Pentagon Biological Warfare And Arms Trafficking to Terrorists

04 Feb 2018

.. Interviewing Bulgarian investigative journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhieva.
Dilyana broke the story of a CIA-run international arms smuggling ring that
was using diplomatic protection to deliver weapons to ISIS and other terrorist
groups in Syria. Though Dilyana's research was printed by Bulgaria's Trud
newspaper - complete with corroborating documentation - she was fired from her
job soon after being interrogated by the Bulgarian national security
apparatus. ..

...

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:p5k7he$7le$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>
> How America creates terrorists

How Russia creates winners: https://tinyurl.com/ydg72gje

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu9B-ty9JCY

Russkies react to terrorism with their usual fatalism:

https://tinyurl.com/ybbh4tfw

[PaxPerPoten]

This sucks...They demand you shut off your add blockers and other
antispam apps. Fuck-em!

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/yb5bmyu7> antiwar.com

.. The contractors work for a private company called ChVK Wagner. The
Russia-based company is said to be under the employ of the Syrian government
..

After initial denials, the Russian Foreign Ministry now believes that five
Russian citizens who are not military personnel were killed by the US forces,
but dismissed claims of scores of dead Russians as "disinformation." ..

Media outlets are quoting an unnamed ..

...

AntiWar.com is usually a rathter reliable outlet, but here they persist in
delusion. The so called 'private military company' "ChVK Wagner" is not
actually a 'company' - ie. not a legally registered organization or something
of the like. It's rather an euphemism for an informal independent group,
information about which usually comes from muddy or anonymous sources. People
[that might be somehow] related to this "ChVK Wagner" are neither servicemen
nor contractors, nor military personnel etc.

There was no 'initial denials'. What Russia officials said initially is that
they knew that there was no Russian military (servicemen, contractors etc) in
the area. It is true. Later it became known that some Russia's citizens were
there, and about five persons were killed at the time of the US strike. These
people were there on their own and they did not coordinate their activities
with the Russian military command. In reality, one may find Russia's (and not
only Russia's, of course) citizens somehow participating on their own in each
and every fraction within the Syrian mess, since war as such attracts risky
adventurous persons.

The case was enthusiastically picked up by the anti-Putin opposition in Russia
and by the Atlanticist mass media to promote a bogus narrative that a Russian
special unit was there secretly, and now the Kremlin cowardly refuses to admit
it, - not the case. All this still does not cancel the question of the illegal
American military presence in Syria the their vandalistic bullying there.

[Oleg Smirnov]

David E. Powell, <news:bbf15084-545b-41e1...@googlegroups.com>
> On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 5:01:45 AM UTC-5, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> Jonathan, <news:S9GdnTJ798JeoBvH...@giganews.com>

>> The fact that the US is a bully, major state sponsor of terrorism
>
> Really? Who gave the people who blew up all those airliners all that Semtex,
> again?

[Governor Swill]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:48:37 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:

>David E. Powell, <news:bbf15084-545b-41e1...@googlegroups.com>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 5:01:45 AM UTC-5, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>> Jonathan, <news:S9GdnTJ798JeoBvH...@giganews.com>
>
>>> The fact that the US is a bully, major state sponsor of terrorism
>>
>> Really? Who gave the people who blew up all those airliners all that Semtex,
>> again?
>
><https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv>
>
>Did Barack Obama arm ISIS? The question strikes many people as absurd, if
>not offensive. How can anyone suggest something so awful about a nice guy
>like the former president? But a stunning report

More fake news from Russia.

Swill
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make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed
out of your lawn.
Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work,
and then they get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

[Oleg Smirnov]

Governor Swill, <news:06ef8ddkhtti219ms...@4ax.com>

> On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:48:37 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>

>> David E. Powell,
>> <news:bbf15084-545b-41e1...@googlegroups.com>

>>>> The fact that the US is a bully, major state sponsor of terrorism
>>>
>>> Really? Who gave the people who blew up all those airliners all that
>>> Semtex, again?
>>
>> <https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv>
>>
>> Did Barack Obama arm ISIS? The question strikes many people as absurd, if
>> not offensive. How can anyone suggest something so awful about a nice guy
>> like the former president? But a stunning report

>> <http://www.conflictarm.com/publications/> by an investigative group known
>> as Conflict Armament Research (CAR) leaves us little choice but to conclude
>

> More fake news from Russia.

More pathetic Swillbilly in denial.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y85x5whk> counterpunch.org

America Loves Islamic Terrorists (Abroad): ISIS as Proxy US Mercenaries

GEOFF DUTTON | FEBRUARY 16, 2018

By all accounts, wherever the Islamic State has gained and held territory, its
residents suffer terrible oppression and deprivation. Unless you are on their
wavelength, you most likely agree that ISIS rule has been calamitous for its
subjects. Both Obama and Trump have pointed out their badass nature on
numerous occasions, not so much in sympathy for those they oppress but to
raise fear levels of ISIS-inspired badassery here at home. And yet, both
regimes have actively, secretly, and materially supported the advance of ISIS
in Syria and Iraq, fully aware of who they were and what they were up to. Say
what?

According to a RAND study <http://u.to/JGI3EQ> based on satellite imagery in
Syria and Iraq, urban infrastructure, agriculture, electricity suffered
greatly under ISIS and some towns were depopulated virtually entirely .. The
RAND document didn't mention that all this pain and suffering might not have
transpired but for US policies conducive to and even aimed at helping ISIS
expand its savage dominion. ..

Throughout living memory, US covert operations have retained religious and
nationalist extremists and compliant local chieftains to send wind-up toys to
topple unfriendly "regimes" in the region (i.e., governments that don't want
US military bases on their soil) .. The result has been to buy some time for
the empire and its partners in crimes against humanity at tragic and
unaccounted costs to the nations and communities affected. ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/y85x5whk>

...

Regular Americans should realize the fact that their government - especially
their persisitent unelected 'deep state' government - is the major sponsor of
terrorism (and this fact is neither exaggeration nor Russian propaganda).

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:23:51 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:

>Governor Swill, <news:06ef8ddkhtti219ms...@4ax.com>
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:48:37 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
>>> David E. Powell,
>>> <news:bbf15084-545b-41e1...@googlegroups.com>
>
>>>>> The fact that the US is a bully, major state sponsor of terrorism
>>>>
>>>> Really? Who gave the people who blew up all those airliners all that
>>>> Semtex, again?
>>>
>>> <https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv>
>>>
>>> Did Barack Obama arm ISIS? The question strikes many people as absurd, if
>>> not offensive. How can anyone suggest something so awful about a nice guy
>>> like the former president? But a stunning report
>>> <http://www.conflictarm.com/publications/> by an investigative group known
>>> as Conflict Armament Research (CAR) leaves us little choice but to conclude
>>
>> More fake news from Russia.
>
>More pathetic Swillbilly in denial.

Don't you get it yet, Russky? Everything you say is a lie and we all
know it. In case you hadn't noticed, Russians have got a bad rep in
the US these days. So why don't you hike your red ass back to Russia?

[Oleg Smirnov]

Governor Swill, <news:jrvh8d5mpjsosfjp1...@4ax.com>

> On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 11:23:51 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>

>> Governor Swill, <news:06ef8ddkhtti219ms...@4ax.com>
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:48:37 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
>>>> David E. Powell,
>>>> <news:bbf15084-545b-41e1...@googlegroups.com>
>>
>>>>>> The fact that the US is a bully, major state sponsor of terrorism
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? Who gave the people who blew up all those airliners all that
>>>>> Semtex, again?
>>>>
>>>> <https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv>
>>>>
>>>> Did Barack Obama arm ISIS? The question strikes many people as absurd, if
>>>> not offensive. How can anyone suggest something so awful about a nice guy
>>>> like the former president? But a stunning report
>>>> <http://www.conflictarm.com/publications/> by an investigative group
>>>> known as Conflict Armament Research (CAR) leaves us little choice but to
>>>> conclude
>>>
>>> More fake news from Russia.
>>
>> More pathetic Swillbilly in denial.
>
> Don't you get it yet, Russky? Everything you say is a lie and we all
> know it. In case you hadn't noticed, Russians have got a bad rep in
> the US these days. So why don't you hike your red ass back to Russia?

Someone has to enlighten your primitive tribe.

[Jonathan]

Let me enlighten you that America now has
effective control of 30% of Syria and
half it's massive oil reserves and
for the cost of a few plane loads
of weapons.

While Putin after two years of bombing
hasn't even restored all of Damascus to
Assad control yet.

Has Putin gotten over his convenient 'cold'
that allows him to dodge all public appearances
so he doesn't have to explain why his attack
against US forces ended up in disaster with
so many Russian deaths?

Here's the video in case you missed it.


Video of US targeting the Russian mercenary
filled battalion (200+ killed) in DierEzzor
Syria as they approached the US/YPG forces.
https://twitter.com/MatthewManUSA/status/962409505542860801



a




--

"To paraphrase the Buddha — Three things cannot be long hidden:
the sun; the moon; and the truth. ‬

“But let justice roll down like waters and righteousness
like an ever-flowing stream” Amos 5:24

~ Former FBI Director James Comey (12-1-17)


s

[Oleg Smirnov]

Jonathan, <news:JaOdnX1g98hJHBTH...@giganews.com>

> On 2/18/2018 8:00 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> Governor Swill, <news:jrvh8d5mpjsosfjp1...@4ax.com>

>>>>>>>> The fact that the US is a bully, major state sponsor of terrorism
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really? Who gave the people who blew up all those airliners all that
>>>>>>> Semtex, again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Barack Obama arm ISIS? The question strikes many people as
>>>>>> absurd, if not offensive. How can anyone suggest something so awful
>>>>>> about a nice guy like the former president? But a stunning report
>>>>>> <http://www.conflictarm.com/publications/> by an investigative group
>>>>>> known as Conflict Armament Research (CAR) leaves us little choice
>>>>>> but to conclude
>>>>>
>>>>> More fake news from Russia.
>>>>
>>>> More pathetic Swillbilly in denial.
>>>
>>> Don't you get it yet, Russky? Everything you say is a lie and we all
>>> know it. In case you hadn't noticed, Russians have got a bad rep in
>>> the US these days. So why don't you hike your red ass back to Russia?
>>
>> Someone has to enlighten your primitive tribe.
>
>
> Let me enlighten you that America now has
> effective control of 30% of Syria and
> half it's massive oil reserves and
> for the cost of a few plane loads
> of weapons.

Well, in the terms of cost .. 'Few plane loads' is rather childish
fantasy. Compare volume of and return on investments realistically,
and you'll get enlightenment about who is a loser.

All this still irrelevant to the fact that the US government is a
major sponsor of terrorism which is not good as such, regardless of
Jonathan's obsession with Russia.

[george152]

On 2/18/2018 5:25 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

> Don't you get it yet, Russky? Everything you say is a lie and we all
> know it. In case you hadn't noticed, Russians have got a bad rep in
> the US these days. So why don't you hike your red ass back to Russia?
>
> Swill
>

You don't think Oleg is one of these disinformation sources?
I mean he's laughable and his utterances those of a dimwitted child.
And he defends Russia in spite of their actions.
Or do the Russians vet their operatives requiring an IQ slightly above
room warm lettuce?

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[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:08:10 +1300, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:

>On 2/18/2018 5:25 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>
>> Don't you get it yet, Russky? Everything you say is a lie and we all
>> know it. In case you hadn't noticed, Russians have got a bad rep in
>> the US these days. So why don't you hike your red ass back to Russia?
>>
>> Swill
>>
>
>You don't think Oleg is one of these disinformation sources?

I think Oleg is a detestable human being. Anybody who supports
today's Russian government is.

>I mean he's laughable and his utterances those of a dimwitted child.
>And he defends Russia in spite of their actions.
>Or do the Russians vet their operatives requiring an IQ slightly above
>room warm lettuce?

Most of them are smarter than that.

[Jonathan]

On 2/20/2018 1:14 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:08:10 +1300, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2018 5:25 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>
>>> Don't you get it yet, Russky? Everything you say is a lie and we all
>>> know it. In case you hadn't noticed, Russians have got a bad rep in
>>> the US these days. So why don't you hike your red ass back to Russia?
>>>
>>> Swill
>>>
>>
>> You don't think Oleg is one of these disinformation sources?
>
> I think Oleg is a detestable human being. Anybody who supports
> today's Russian government is.
>
>> I mean he's laughable and his utterances those of a dimwitted child.
>> And he defends Russia in spite of their actions.
>> Or do the Russians vet their operatives requiring an IQ slightly above
>> room warm lettuce?
>
> Most of them are smarter than that.
>

How smart to you need to be to pose as a Trumpster?




> Swill

>


--

"To paraphrase the Buddha — Three things cannot be long hidden:
the sun; the moon; and the truth. ‬

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:20:30 -0500, Jonathan <WriteI...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 2/20/2018 1:14 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:08:10 +1300, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2018 5:25 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't you get it yet, Russky? Everything you say is a lie and we all
>>>> know it. In case you hadn't noticed, Russians have got a bad rep in
>>>> the US these days. So why don't you hike your red ass back to Russia?
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>>
>>>
>>> You don't think Oleg is one of these disinformation sources?
>>
>> I think Oleg is a detestable human being. Anybody who supports
>> today's Russian government is.
>>
>>> I mean he's laughable and his utterances those of a dimwitted child.
>>> And he defends Russia in spite of their actions.
>>> Or do the Russians vet their operatives requiring an IQ slightly above
>>> room warm lettuce?
>>
>> Most of them are smarter than that.

>How smart to you need to be to pose as a Trumpster?

Pretty smart. It's not easy to act like a moron when you're not one.

A couple of the political "groups" established in social media by
Russian operatives in 2016: "Being Patriotic" and "Black Fist".
Shouldn't be much trouble figuring out who they were targeting or
realizing they were playing both ends against the middle in hopes of
dividing America further.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://on.rt.com/8zub>

24 Feb, 2018

President Donald Trump appeared to dash the hopes of interventionists and
contradict his own administration officials, by declaring that US troops'
mission in Syria is limited to defeating ISIS and doesn't include regime
change.

"We're there for one reason: to get ISIS and get rid of ISIS, and to go
home," Trump said on Friday, during a joint press conference with Australian
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull at the White House. "We're not there for any
other reason and we've largely accomplished our goal." ..

...

I still don't tend to buy it. Since Trump is a lame duck, I don't expect the
Deep State would allow him to withdrawal the troops from Syria. U.S. military
already have aggravated the conflict: through the machinations with the Kurds
they provoked the Turkey's invasion, which complicated the mess. I expect
they will invent various bogus reasons to stay there while the US taxpayers
will pay for the banquet the same way like they have already paid a trillion
for the fruitless Afghanistan adventure.



> <http://tinyurl.com/y85x5whk>

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y7b9zcak> russia-insider.com

The US Is Protecting ISIS to Weaken Rivals, Expand US Occupation of Syria
The US is keeping the last ISIS pocket east of the Euphrates alive to help
justify its Syria occupation and that's only the tip of the iceberg

Steven Chovanec | 2018-02-20

The dominant view of the US-led coalition against the Islamic State (ISIS),
Operation Inherent Resolve, is that its fundamental goal is the defeat of ISIS.
.. Yet a closer look at the history of US involvement shows that ..

Read this interesting research in full <http://tinyurl.com/y7b9zcak>

...

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:08:10 +1300, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:

>On 2/18/2018 5:25 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>
>> Don't you get it yet, Russky? Everything you say is a lie and we all
>> know it. In case you hadn't noticed, Russians have got a bad rep in
>> the US these days. So why don't you hike your red ass back to Russia?
>>
>> Swill
>>
>
>You don't think Oleg is one of these disinformation sources?
>I mean he's laughable and his utterances those of a dimwitted child.
>And he defends Russia in spite of their actions.
>Or do the Russians vet their operatives requiring an IQ slightly above
>room warm lettuce?

Since all the Ruski intel pros are now business owners of varying
legality..Id have to say #2 fits Oleg best

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y8n4wbre> washingtonpost.com

.. The top U.S. general in the Middle East is criticizing Russia for
being both "arsonist and fireman" in Syria. / Votel said Moscow is
"fueling tensions and then trying to resolve them in their favor." ..

...

This US general is a laughable pot calling the kettle black.

...

The current American military presense in Syria is absolutely illegal
against the international law (as well as the US effort to depose the
legitimate government of the sovereign country). The US was the major
arsonist in Syria from the very beginning of the Syrian mess.
Read, for example <http://archive.is/umvJa> <http://archive.is/6GccS>

The US arsonist effort resulted in emergence of ISIS, which, in turn,
was used as a pretext to play fireman and brought the American troops
into the country. The US military 'fight' against ISIS was largely a
simulation, at least until Russia entered the play on September 2015,
in response to an official invitation of the legal Syrian government.
By that time - while the 'US-led coalition' simulated 'fight' against
ISIS for a year (and sly 'analysts' 'expected' that it would drag on
for a decade) - ISIS executed an unprecedented advance in Syria. Only
the Russian intervention reversed the dynamics of the ISIS expansion.
Quite a lot of research has already been published about how the US
cherished ISIS, one of the very recent read here <http://u.to/-_xTEQ>

Today, as soon as the ISIS topic is losing relevance, the US seeks to
make up bogus reasons why their military 'need' to stay in Syria, and
they invent various nonsense as far as this nonsense sounds plausible
in front of the US mass public, - which is either well-brainwashed or
knowingly willing to accept the lies.

[#BeamMeUpScotty]

On 02/27/2018 01:36 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <http://tinyurl.com/y8n4wbre> washingtonpost.com
>
> .. The top U.S. general in the Middle East is criticizing Russia for
> being both "arsonist and fireman" in Syria. / Votel said Moscow is
> "fueling tensions and then trying to resolve them in their favor." ..

Accusing the Russians of using our own Democrats tactics.....

That will be a non story in the Liberal press, once they figure he's
describing Democrat tactics.

I guess totalitarians the world over tend to use the same tactics so
collusion might be part of it but NOT necessarily collusion between
Obama/Hillary and Putin..... then again?


Obama on an open mic telling Medvedev to tell Putin he can be more
flexible after the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE


There is this fire storm of allegations they set in motion against Trump
and now they want to fix it.... in the Democrats favor.






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*Rumination*
144 - “Marxist, Socialist, Progressive and Liberal are all synonyms for
lying thief.”

[Mr. B1ack]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:06:47 -0500, #BeamMeUpScotty
<Not-...@ideocracy.gov> wrote:

>On 02/27/2018 01:36 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8n4wbre> washingtonpost.com
>>
>> .. The top U.S. general in the Middle East is criticizing Russia for
>> being both "arsonist and fireman" in Syria. / Votel said Moscow is
>> "fueling tensions and then trying to resolve them in their favor." ..
>
>Accusing the Russians of using our own Democrats tactics.....

Yea ... it's true :-)

Also, what Russia is doing in Syria ain't very different
from what WE've been doing there.

But they're Russians - so it's bad when THEY do it, right ?

>That will be a non story in the Liberal press, once they figure he's
>describing Democrat tactics.

Are the FakeNewsies that bright anymore ?

>I guess totalitarians the world over tend to use the same tactics so
>collusion might be part of it but NOT necessarily collusion between
>Obama/Hillary and Putin..... then again?

Actually, when dealing with millions of people, there
really seem to be only JUST so many effective ways
to do stuff. History is replete with echos, extremely
similar "solutions" being applied.

The only big diff ... what happens afterwards. The
totalitarians will use the 'solution' to get and KEEP
ruthless total oppressive control.

>Obama on an open mic telling Medvedev to tell Putin he can be more
>flexible after the election.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE
>
>
>There is this fire storm of allegations they set in motion against Trump
>and now they want to fix it.... in the Democrats favor.

Trouble is, as time goes on, more and more
Dem evil gets revealed. Soon even their
FakeNews friends won't be able to keep it
under the public radar .........

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:06:47 -0500, #BeamMeUpScotty
<Not-...@ideocracy.gov> wrote:

>On 02/27/2018 01:36 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8n4wbre> washingtonpost.com
>>
>> .. The top U.S. general in the Middle East is criticizing Russia for
>> being both "arsonist and fireman" in Syria. / Votel said Moscow is
>> "fueling tensions and then trying to resolve them in their favor." ..
>
>Accusing the Russians of using our own Democrats tactics.....
>
>That will be a non story in the Liberal press, once they figure he's
>describing Democrat tactics.
>
>I guess totalitarians the world over tend to use the same tactics so
>collusion might be part of it but NOT necessarily collusion between
>Obama/Hillary and Putin..... then again?
>
>
>Obama on an open mic telling Medvedev to tell Putin he can be more
>flexible after the election.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE
>
>
>There is this fire storm of allegations they set in motion against Trump
>and now they want to fix it.... in the Democrats favor.

Just keep conspiring with commies, BMUS. See what it gets you and
your pinko President.

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:01:36 -0500, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
wrote:

Ah, projection . . .

You just keep sleeping with commies and ignoring the danger signs. In
a few years you'll wake up with a hangover and genital warts wondering
wtf happened while you were sleeping.

[#BeamMeUpScotty]

On 03/01/2018 10:33 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:06:47 -0500, #BeamMeUpScotty
> <Not-...@ideocracy.gov> wrote:
>
>> On 02/27/2018 01:36 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8n4wbre> washingtonpost.com
>>>
>>> .. The top U.S. general in the Middle East is criticizing Russia for
>>> being both "arsonist and fireman" in Syria. / Votel said Moscow is
>>> "fueling tensions and then trying to resolve them in their favor." ..
>>
>> Accusing the Russians of using our own Democrats tactics.....
>>
>> That will be a non story in the Liberal press, once they figure he's
>> describing Democrat tactics.
>>
>> I guess totalitarians the world over tend to use the same tactics so
>> collusion might be part of it but NOT necessarily collusion between
>> Obama/Hillary and Putin..... then again?
>>
>>
>> Obama on an open mic telling Medvedev to tell Putin he can be more
>> flexible after the election.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE
>>
>>
>> There is this fire storm of allegations they set in motion against Trump
>> and now they want to fix it.... in the Democrats favor.
>
> Just keep conspiring with commies, BMUS. See what it gets you and
> your pinko President.
>
> Swill
>

I already know the Russians can't be trusted the problem seems to be
that you think the Obama Marxists can be trusted.

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Remember when Obama said "that's NOT who we are" well *this is* who
Democrats are.....

[DoD]

"#BeamMeUpScotty" <Not-...@ideocracy.gov> wrote in message
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LMAO.... That is only half of swills problem..


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[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 13:11:04 -0500, #BeamMeUpScotty

And as usual, your perceptions are wrong. The problem is that the far
right prefers a racist based society ruled by a Putin or Stalin than
the democratic forms of government and liberty enshrined in the US
Constitution.

You like Russkies and dictators so much? Move to Asia. Lots of dick
taters there for you to suck on.

[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 22:03:20 -0600, "DoD" <danski...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Translation: "I still don't have anything useful or sensical to say
so I'll just make myself look like an ignorant asshole again."

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/yd96ek9s> moonofalabama.org

Syria - Timelines Of 'Gas Attacks' Follow A Similar Scheme

April 08, 2018

An alleged new 'chemical incident' in Syria reminds of a similar series of
events we saw last year. We are told to believe that each time the U.S. pulls
back from the war on Syria the Syrian government is responding with a
'chemical attack' that pulls the U.S. back in. ..

Read more with specific facts, references <http://tinyurl.com/yd96ek9s>

Over the last months the Syrian army secured 90% of 'rebel' enclave in
east-Ghouta right next to the Syrian capital Damascus. Only the town of
Douma, held by the Saudi financed Salafist Takfiris of Jaish al-Isalm, was
left in enemy hands. Negotiations about an evacuation of the terrorist were
ongoing. At one point last week the hard core leaders of Jaish al-Islam pulled
their negotiators back from the talks and reportedly executed them. ..

The terrorist in Douma hold several thousand of hostages who were abducted in
2013 from the town of Adra. The prisoners were paraded around in cages. The
abducted men were forced to dig the extensive tunnel network Jaish al-Isalm
uses to hide its weapons and fighters.

Two years ago Jaish al-Islam admitted that it used chemical weapons against a
Kurdish suburb of Aleppo. Just two days ago the Russian military command said
that it detected 'rebel' preparations for new false flag gas attacks.

Now the terrorists and their supporters claim that a new "chemical weapon
attack" happened and blame the Syrian government. ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/yd96ek9s>

...

The last news say they still started the evacuation just recently.

I suspect there's a significant participation of the British stinkers in the
promotion of all these 'chemical' fabrications and machinations. The stinkers
are desperate to find something to blame Russia for, and the 'chemical' topic
is a proper tool, because it excites well the imagination of the cattle-like
majority of the ignorant 'western' public. Atlanticism has resorted to play
very dirty, their crazy lies are now close to the medieval level, which shows
a high degree of desperation of their policymakers.



> State sponsorship of terrorism by U.S. government.

>
> <http://tinyurl.com/y85kh6js> nbcnews.com
>
> ISIS weapons .. purchased by U.S. government
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/ybyrgh2t> newsweek.com
>
> HOW ISIS GOT WEAPONS FROM THE U.S. ..
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/y9v3td6c> newsweek.com
>
> U.S. MADE SECRET DEAL WITH ISIS ..
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/y9uyu5n5> newsweek.com
>
> .. U.S. MILITARY TRAINING ISIS ..
>
>
>

>> <https://tinyurl.com/ybfdjzsv>
>
>> Did Barack Obama arm ISIS? The question strikes many people as absurd, if
>> not offensive. How can anyone suggest something so awful about a nice guy
>> like the former president? But a stunning report
>> <http://www.conflictarm.com/publications/> by an investigative group known
>> as Conflict Armament Research (CAR) leaves us little choice but to conclude

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/ybpdnlnf> antiwar.com

Trump: Is He Stupid or Dangerously Crazy?

He's both

Justin Raimondo | April 09, 2018

A child could see through the fake "chemical attack" supposedly launched by
Bashar al-Assad just as his troops defeated the jihadists and Trump said he
wanted out of Syria. But our President can't, which raises the question: is he
as stupid or stupider than George W. Bush? Or is he crazy?

The bad news is: possibly both. And no, there is no good news.
It was 6 in the morning this Sunday when the President of the United States
sent out this tweet <http://u.to/_TbLEQ> ..

We are expected to believe that the Assad regime committed a horrific atrocity
against mostly women and children at the very moment when Syrian forces have
decisively defeated the Islamist rebels and Trump declared he wanted US troops
out of Syria. Days before this fake attack, the Russian Defense Ministry
warned that a false flag provocation was in the making.

"Big price," eh? The person paying that price is going to be Trump himself:
his deplorables didn't vote for him so we could establish an Islamic Sunni
state in Syria, as John Bolton has long advocated. If he gets into a war - and
the longer we stay in Syria, the bigger are the chances that we'll be pulled
into yet another quagmire - his presidency is doomed. ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/ybpdnlnf>

...

I think, Trump is neither much stupid nor crazy. He's rather an opportunist
without strong principles. Also he's a lame duck without a reliable team,
as I noticed before, the members of his administration play their own game(s).
And, of course, he understands well that the attack is fake. It's rather the
whole US political system that forces him to express the simulation and lies.

Trump must simulate the level of stupidity and ignorance similar to that of
the most part of the regular Americans. The regular Americans believe what the
[unelected] mass media owners promote among the populace, and if Trump shows a
discrepancy with what the sheep believe then he'll be blamed as a traitor and
Russian puppet. And he doesn't want to be blamed.

It looks comic since the mass media repeatedly promote quite crazy, illogical
and unrealistic stuff, but the [cattle-like] 'we the people' repeatedly prove
that they are ready to believe even a very crazy nonsense.

Trump himself also simulates his ostensible independence on the MSM, 'bravely'
calls them fake news etc, but, actually, the dotard is quite afraid of the MSM
and he still tries to fit their demands because he realizes their real power.

That's what I call 'mediacracy', and the above illustrates how the [unelected]
mass media moguls, in fact, undermine an elected official that is supposed to
be a leader. This is a bad and quite repulsive model of social organization,
it stinks and it's steeped in dense falsehoods, I in no way would want similar
situation in Russia. That is not a democracy nor a proper example to follow.

This is also one of the reasons why America is in decline btw.



> <http://tinyurl.com/yd96ek9s>

[Leo Sgouros]

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-5, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <http://tinyurl.com/ybpdnlnf> antiwar.com
>
> Trump: Is He Stupid or Dangerously Crazy?
>
> He's both
>
> Justin Raimondo | April 09, 2018
>
> A child could see through the fake "chemical attack" supposedly launched by
> Bashar al-Assad just as his troops defeated the jihadists and Trump said he
> wanted out of Syria. But our President can't, which raises the question:

Why *can't* your President see through the fake chemical attack? Because he is a grownup!
What do I win?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbZq2MPYHoY

[Oleg Smirnov]

> <http://tinyurl.com/ybpdnlnf> antiwar.com
>
> Trump: Is He Stupid or Dangerously Crazy?

To make it clear, I don't argue for censorship against the free press.
Free uncensored press is a right thing. Such a press is rightfully considered
one of the branches within the separation of powers.

But the separation of powers works well if the branches are balanced well.

In the US, it's not the case.

Firstly, the very idea of free press with regard to the US is a joke. It's a
known fact that more than 90% of the media content consuming by the US public
is produced by just a few (six of five?) mega-corporations according to their
party line (and they are also a part of the 'deep state'). It provides seeming
variety but doesn't touch the basic guidelines, myths and taboos.

Atlanticist propaganda loves to emphasize "state-owned" or "state-run" when
it's about some foreign media, however, your minders are not so enthusiastic
to recognize the fact that the large American mass media corporations are
actually *state-constituent*, and this is somewhat even stronger than someone
else's "state-sponsored".

Secondly, in a sane case, a branch of power / authority always takes place in
combination with responsibility and accountability and liability. But there's
no any reasonable accountability for the American corporate press. The MSM can
(and they do) promote any crap and fake news referring to very non-reliable or
simply 'unnamed' sources, and no one would be liable for that.

So you have the situation where quite a small cabal, consisting of the owners
of the aforementioned large corporations, can impose their manipulation on the
hundreds of millions of people, - and the members of this small power group
are not only non-elected, but also non-accountable and non-liable, so they can
promote any fabrications and lies with impunity.

I know, many Americans love to proudly refer to their 'first amendment', but
that's bit a silly proud, actually. As I said, things are good if they are
properly balanced. In your situation, you have, in fact, a branch of the state
power - the mainstream mass media - which is concentrated in the hands of a
small group of the [unelected] moguls and is not balanced with accountability.

Does it foster freedom, democracy? No it doesn't. It rather fosters ideacracy,
cultism and zombification of the credulous populace. The monopolization of the
mass media, American-style, actually suppresses the true free press. Opinions
and ideas that don't fit the party line are being rejected and ridiculed as
nonsense and conspiracy theories etc (and the Russian propaganda, of course).

Some time ago, I recall, there were many excited people posting in the Usenet
who were 100% sure about Trump-Russia collusion, because the MSM taught them
so. I no longer see much messages about the collusion, although those people
still are posting something else. My [rhetorical] question to them is, whether
they have realized that they are stupid and they were cheated? This experience
would have to convince them that the US news media is deliberately mendacious.
And if it's so then it's mendacious not only about Trump and Russia.

Here the right-wingers would start blaming 'the leftist media', but it's not
the point. Fox is mendacious as well. The point is that your mass media, no
matter left or right, is concentrated and non-accountable and non-liable.

As long as this situation in your country persists, you shouldn't take offense
at those foreigners who consider you ignorant zombified sheep, because this is
what the Americans (well, a large part of them) really are.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y723pe4c> CNN

.. "There definitely wasn't a chemical attack in Ghouta, for the simple
reason that the regime doesn't need to chemically attack Ghouta in order to
recapture it," said one man in his mid-20s ..

The alleged attack took place just hours before a deal ending the standoff
in Douma was set to take effect -- the remaining rebel group, Jaish al-Islam,
began evacuations to opposition-held Jarablus in Syria's north. The rebels'
pro-government captives, many women and children held in Douma for as long
as three years, were also released as part of the deal.

Some locals say the timing was suspect. Government forces, they say, were
on the brink of victory against the rebels and a chemical attack would not
have helped them achieve their aims.
"Misinformation campaigns always happen when the Syrian army is on the
verge of victory," ..

Asked whether the Syrian government feared the US strikes, Makhlouf said:
"Of course not. Ask any child in Syria, any young man, any woman, they
won't be afraid." ..

Damascenes say the rebels placed daily life in a chokehold. According to
Syria's health ministry, at least 8,000 people in Damascus were killed in
rebel mortar fire from the suburbs since 2012.

The government's recapture of rebel-held areas heralds the resumption of
normal life. People in the capital say this is more important than Trump's
threats. ..

...

That's what the CNN publishes after the Trump's recent rash twits.

It's actually unknown where and when exactly those chemical videos, that
have been published by 'activists' recently, were produced, - one of the
possibilities is that the 'rebels' (which mores aren't much far from ISIS)
might use those captured previously "pro-government women and children"
as an expendable stuff for the staged shocking videos.



> <http://tinyurl.com/ybpdnlnf>

[Oleg Smirnov]

<https://twitter.com/FoxNews/statuses/984163732665356288>

@FoxNews
.@PressSec: "Russia .. They guaranteed that the use of chemical weapons
by Syria would not happen again, they failed at that."

...

Once again a US official makes boldly inaccurate claims, like a spoiled
child. In 2013, Russia had proposed liquidation of the stockpiles of the
chemical weapons the Syrian government had accumulated by that time.
Russia did not guarantee anything with regard to the CW in the hands of
'moderate terrorists' in Syria. And more accurately, it wasn't actually
Russia who guaranteed that, - the destruction of the Syria's chemical
weapons was guaranteed by the international OPCW's inspection and
surveillance. Russia was rather an initiator of the idea and a willing
assistant in the process of this destruction.

If the US officials claim that the destruction was incomplete then their
claims casts doubt, primarily, on competence and relevance of the OPCW.
If the OPCW could not control the CW in Syria properly then how can one
be confident that the OPCW is able to control the CW-related issues at
all? The US officials' claims undermine the OPCW as such.

I still tend to think that the OPCW properly controlled the destruction
of the chemical weapons in Syria, while the US official spoiled children
have just a desperate lust to attribute the chemicals to Assad, despite
of the fact that use of CW by Syrian government in the present situation
would be utterly unnecessary and illogical (while the parties fighting
against Syria have all the reasons to stage it, given the fact that the
CW has become such a sensitive fetish of such a red-lines cultism).

[Oleg Smirnov]

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h_MJaWYCuM>

Residents of Douma celebrate their liberation by Syrian army

...

You may hear some of them chunt 'Russia' and 'Moscow' there.

The jealous Atlanticist scum is unhappy of the fact that more and
more Syrians return back to normal peacefil life, that is why
they're pressing Trump to attack Syria under false pretext in order
to allow the terrorists ('rebels') to perk up and continue their
militant terror against the people.



> <http://tinyurl.com/y723pe4c>
>
> .. "There definitely wasn't a chemical attack in Ghouta ..

[george152]

On 4/13/2018 3:06 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://twitter.com/FoxNews/statuses/984163732665356288>
>
> @FoxNews
> .@PressSec: "Russia .. They guaranteed that the use of chemical weapons
> by Syria would not happen again, they failed at that."
>
> ...
>
> Once again a US official makes boldly inaccurate claims, like a spoiled
> child. In 2013, Russia had proposed liquidation of the stockpiles of the
> chemical weapons the Syrian government had accumulated by that time.

And a desperate attempt at a defense of the indefensible by oleg.
Time your masters updated their propaganda bot

[Mr. B1ack]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 08:20:12 +1200, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:

>On 4/13/2018 3:06 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> <https://twitter.com/FoxNews/statuses/984163732665356288>
>>
>> @FoxNews
>> .@PressSec: "Russia .. They guaranteed that the use of chemical weapons
>> by Syria would not happen again, they failed at that."
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Once again a US official makes boldly inaccurate claims, like a spoiled
>> child. In 2013, Russia had proposed liquidation of the stockpiles of the
>> chemical weapons the Syrian government had accumulated by that time.

>And a desperate attempt at a defense of the indefensible by oleg.
>Time your masters updated their propaganda bot

"had accumulated by that time" ... were probably expecting a
big NEW batch in 2014 ......................

Oh well, face it ... neither Russia or apparently anybody in
Syria has the same delicate sensibilities about chemical
weapons and their uses as those in the US/EU. For them
it's just one other way to destroy hives of enemies. The
USA had no problems with napalm and phosphorous
in Vietnam either.

Bottom line, expect the continued incidental use of chemicals
in Syria. Assad will use them, much of his opposition would
use them too if they had access. It's really a HATE-fest over
there at this point, total multi-faction war.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<https://on.rt.com/9373>

The Russian Defense Ministry has presented what it says is proof that the
reported chemical weapons attack in Syria was staged. .. During a briefing
on Friday, the ministry showed interviews with two people, who, it said,
are medical professionals working in the only hospital operating in Douma,
a town near the Syrian capital, Damascus.

In the interviews released to the media, the two men reported how footage
was shot of people dousing each other with water and treating children,
which was claimed to show the aftermath of the April 7 chemical weapons
attack. The patients shown in the video suffered from smoke poisoning and
the water was poured on them by their relatives after a false claim that
chemical weapons were used, the ministry said.

"Please, notice. These people do not hide their names. These are not some
faceless claims on the social media by anonymous activists. They took part
in taking that footage .. The Russian Defense Ministry also has evidence
that Britain had a direct involvement in arranging this provocation in
Eastern Ghouta .. We know for certain that between April 3 and April 6 the
so-called White Helmets were seriously pressured from London to speed up
the provocation that they were preparing." ..

Read more <https://on.rt.com/9373>

...

[george152]

On 4/14/2018 4:25 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://on.rt.com/9373>
>
> The Russian Defense Ministry has presented what it says is proof that
> the reported chemical weapons attack in Syria was staged. .. During a
> briefing on Friday, the ministry showed interviews with two people, who,
> it said, are medical professionals working in the only hospital
> operating in Douma, a town near the Syrian capital, Damascus.
>
> In the interviews released to the media, the two men reported how
> footage was shot of people dousing each other with water and treating
> children, which was claimed to show the aftermath of the April 7
> chemical weapons attack. The patients shown in the video suffered from
> smoke poisoning and the water was poured on them by their relatives
> after a false claim that chemical weapons were used, the ministry said.
>
> "Please, notice. These people do not hide their names. These are not
> some faceless claims on the social media by anonymous activists. They
> took part in taking that footage .. The Russian Defense Ministry also
> has evidence that Britain had a direct involvement in arranging this
> provocation in Eastern Ghouta .. We know for certain that between April
> 3 and April 6 the so-called White Helmets were seriously pressured from
> London to speed up the provocation that they were preparing." ..
>

Riiight.
Russia says Russia didn't do it...
Well, convinced Russians.

[Oleg Smirnov]

> <https://on.rt.com/9373>

> "Please, notice. These people do not hide their names. These are not some
> faceless claims on the social media by anonymous activists. They took part
> in taking that footage ..

The video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVswvR6G3go>

[Oleg Smirnov]

>> <https://on.rt.com/9373>
>
>> "Please, notice. These people do not hide their names. These are not some
>> faceless claims on the social media by anonymous activists. They took part
>> in taking that footage ..
>
> The video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVswvR6G3go>

Watch also <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBmWe5FnSCc>

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y8dsnznz> irrussianality.wordpress.com

UNPRECEDENTED DESTRUCTION

PAULR | APRIL 13, 2018

.. On 1 April this year, an inter-agency team from the United Nations
(UN) entered Raqqa in what was the first UN visit to the city since
ISIS's defeat. According to the website of the UN refugee agency, UNHCR:

The UN team entering Raqqa city were shocked by
the level of destruction, which exceeded anything
they had ever seen before. A cascade of rubble
lies along the streets with hardly a single building
intact.

It's worth repeating some of that again. The UN team found a
level of destruction, which exceeded anything they
had ever seen before.

That's quite something. There have been a fair number of destructive wars
in recent years, including some which have done quite a lot of damage to
urban infrastructure .. Yet Raqqa exceeds them all. ..

Read it in details <http://tinyurl.com/y8dsnznz>

I mention all this because throughout the civil war in Syria, and
particularly since the Russian Federation became involved, we have
bombarded with complaints about the particularly barbaric methods of war
used by the Syrian Arab Army and the Russians. British Foreign Secretary
Boris Johnson, for instance, ranted about the 'flagrant disregard for
human life' displayed by the Syrian government during the battle for East
Aleppo. Former American ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power,
accused Russia of 'barbarism' in Syria. 'Russia is abetting mass murder
in Syria' shouted the headline of a recent article in The Atlantic
magazine. And so on. There's far too many such statements to count.
Accompanying these complaints are repeated claims that 'something must be
done'. ..

And yet, if we are to believe the UN report I began with, the United
States and its allies have been more destructive than the Syrian
government and the Russians. Raqqa is not a unique case either. Patrick
Cockburn of The Independent newspaper, for instance, has described the
'mass slaughter' of civilians in Mosul .. Despite this, there seems to
be an extraordinary lack of indignation over such matters, let alone any
calls to 'do something' to stop the Americans ..

...

It's no longer a secret that the Pentagon shamelessly manipulates with
its reported figures in general (eg. <http://clck.ru/DAd42>), and, in
particular, they shamelessly - sometimes by orders of magnitude -
understate the numbers of civil casualties (<http://clck.ru/DAcwp>,
<http://clck.ru/DAcuX>, <http://clck.ru/DAcuo>, <http://clck.ru/DAcxD>)
in order to fabricate a false picture for domestic public that in the
American implementation military activities are somewhat 'civilized'.

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pariiq$rms$1...@os.motzarella.org...

>
> And yet, if we are to believe the UN report I began with, the United
> States and its allies have been more destructive than the Syrian
> government and the Russians. Raqqa is not a unique case either. Patrick
> Cockburn of The Independent newspaper, for instance, has described the
> 'mass slaughter' of civilians in Mosul .. Despite this, there seems to be
> an extraordinary lack of indignation over such matters, let alone any
> calls to 'do something' to stop the Americans ..

Russia IS terrorism.

There’s an old Cold War joke which says it all. A man is arrested for
distributing leaflets in Red Square. At the police station it is discovered
all the leaflets are blank. "Why is this?," the authorities ask, and the man
replies: "Everyone knows what is going on, so why bother to write it down?"

[Oleg Smirnov]

The American, English and French scum have attacked Syria. Apparently, the
Russian military were ready to intercept their flying and floating objects
if the scum's attack was serious enough. However, the American, English
and French have chosen a mosquito bite tactics to harass Syria. They have
spent ~ $300M to destroy some irrelevant non-defended facility (no, it's
not a 'chemical center') and given the Syriam army an opportunity to train
in interception of the missiles targeted to defended facilities.

This is a 'symbolical' attack. Due to such a situation, the Russian policy
makers face a dilemma of how to react on such a shoddy harassment. Russian
military machine is designed not for intimidation of weak nations but rather
for serious [nuclear] war. The recent attack on Syria was too petty to turn
it on against the Atlanticist gung. The gung perfectly understands that the
Russians are rational and moderate. However, the Atlanticist bullying still
isn't tolerable, and if it continues, then, at some moment, the Russian
military will have to respond with due consequences. So everyone now should
realize the fact that we have come to a verge of big war.

...

Independent team of American OAN reporters visited Douma recently looking
for evidence of the alleged chemical attack. They interviewed local
witnesses, and their report fits what the Russian MoD said in the very
beginning. "Residents there deny the claims of an attack, and say it was
staged to help the rebels escape."

Watch the full OAN report here <http://tinyurl.com/ydgptq4z>

...

Robert Fisk <http://u.to/JebgEQ> independently reports from Syrian Douma
about 'gas attack', and his story fits what the Russia MoD discovered three
days before.

<http://tinyurl.com/y8motxsk> independent.co.uk

.. Doctor in a green coat who, when I track him down in the very same
clinic, cheerfully tells me that the "gas" videotape which horrified the
world - despite all the doubters - is perfectly genuine. .. 58-year old
senior Syrian doctor then adds something profoundly uncomfortable: the
patients, he says, were overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation in
the rubbish-filled tunnels and basements in which they lived .. People
began to arrive here suffering from hypoxia, oxygen loss. Then someone
at the door, a "White Helmet", shouted "Gas!", and a panic began. People
started throwing water over each other. Yes, the video was filmed here,
it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia - not
gas poisoning." ..

...

Here are the 'Russian' videos about the alleged Douma gas attack:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBmWe5FnSCc>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVswvR6G3go>

...

Criminal gang of the Atlanticist scum used a false pretext to attack Syria.

[Skeeter]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 10:07:07 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:

Actually Russia knows better.

[george152]

On 4/17/2018 7:07 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> The American, English and French scum have attacked Syria. Apparently,
> the Russian military were ready to intercept their flying and floating
> objects if the scum's attack was serious enough. However, the American,
> English and French have chosen a mosquito bite tactics to harass Syria.
> They have spent ~ $300M to destroy some irrelevant non-defended facility

How expected.
The Russian disinformation agent in denial.
All those Russian claims prestrike that nothing would or could get
through the much vaunted defenses.
What's the current excuse Oleg?

You know that all those 'anti missile' defenses of yours were scoped and
one launch would invite an immediate and overwhelming attack on the lot...

[Oleg Smirnov]

It makes sense to repeat it again.

Some in the US see the MSM-related issues, but there's the primary issue,
which is "concentration of media ownership", so the media is dominated by
a very small number of owners <http://u.to/tzv1EQ> <http://clck.ru/DE7jd>.

Other issues are mostly derivative of that.

Many notice 'groupthink', for example. While there's an element of natural
spontaneity in this phenomenon, the modern 'western' groupthink is rather
a designed thing. This is a result of purposeful editorial breeding work.

The corporate mainstream mass media is, in fact, a yet one branch of power
within the separation of powers concept. In the present day situation, you
have allowed it to be consolidated in the hands of a very small number of
corporations. This branch is disproportionately powerful against others,
and since it's non-elected, it makes your 'democracy' a joke.

The small cabal of the owners of the large media corporations can impose
their manipulation on the millions of people, - and the members of this

small power group are not only non-elected, but also non-accountable and

non-liable, - they can promote any falsehoods with impunity, as I already
explained it in another message <http://u.to/vM32EQ>.

The non-liability for lies would be tolerable in the case of real free
press, where the 'free speech' principle allows to rich truth through sane
competition of non-liable free speakers. But due to the concentration of
media ownership you no longer have a competition of free speakers. Lone
voices of dissent are feeble and helpless against the mighty MSM machine.

The mass-media consolidation allows - in a coordinated effort - to promote
various misrepresentations with impaired sense of proportion, as well as
pure hoaxes made entirely from nothing, that brings the cattle-like mass
public into an artificial /induced neurosis according to the will of those
who are behind the media manipulation.

While the corporations that make up the MSM may be private and independent
from a formal point of view, they are actually a part of state. Not state-
sposored or state-run, but rather state-constituent. They are an important
part of your persistent non-elected government (the very fact of which had
[suddenly] been discovered recently under Deep State label).

The MSM have proved their power in the recent Trump case. Trump was elected
in spite of the media campaign against him. However, for a short time, they
managed to convert him into a well-trained circus animal, so now the agenda
of the Trump administration is very much different from what he campaigned
about and what the US voters reputedly voted for him for.

The pathetic Trump case is an important instructive example, which shows
that the real governing power in your environment is actually not what you
might have elected.

You are not (or no longer) a democracy but rather a sick cattle-like herd
manageable through jingoism, tibalism and implantation of cultist fetishes
in your weak mind. Right-wingers look especially hapless in this sense,
since they love to manifest their disgain towards 'leftist media', but when
it comes to real issues they show that they are well-indoctrinated by the
very same media. In turn, the MSM work not in a primitive but rather in
sophisticated way, and their indoctrination is multilayered, - you can
rather easily reject a surface layer but what they really indoctrinate you
about lies deeper than what you're able to notice.

The main thing you need to realize with regard to Russia and some other
nations that are unfriendly to the scum governing over you the cattle, is
that while such nations may have some issues, your political system is not
a 'model' they might want to follow. One of the reasons why it's repulsive
is what I have written above. You should not believe your minders that are
so desperate to indoctrinate you that many others are dreaming of 'western
democracy'. Those who seek to migrate into your environment do it mainly
due to economic reasons, not because they like your system or your culture
of hypocrisy. That is, inter alia, the reason why you will never be able
'to integrate' those Muslims, and not only. In turn, with the MSM-driven
cultism like the present one, you are doomed to decline, - and the present
economic vantage is a temporary and waning effect (which is pretty obvious
in the global economic trends).

...

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pbnf3r$foq$1...@os.motzarella.org...

It makes sense to repeat it again.

Same here. In case you missed it, here it is once more:

If you think our liberal websites are acting as Putin's apologists,
think again:

How Putin Got Russians to Start Censoring Themselves
http://tinyurl.com/owfh8zs

Putin bans Hollywood blockbuster (I've read the book but not yet seen the
film)
http://tinyurl.com/oz54r2u
http://tinyurl.com/pxbfrt3

Russian TV Reporter Covering Raging Wildfire Flicks Cigarette Butt on
Ground, Starts Fire
http://tinyurl.com/pwfd5um

Russia's Economy Is Collapsing. Here's What You Need to Know.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/russian-ruble-collapse-putin

Pravda Will Set You Free
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2011/06/pravda_will_set_you_free.single.html

FBI arrests alleged Russian spy who wanted to trigger economic meltdown
http://tinyurl.com/ocyqb8k


Note: Paul Krugman is probably the most dyed-in-the-wool socialist America
has to offer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Krugman: "Russia Keeps Looking More Vulnerable to Crisis"

By Kevin Drum

Paul Krugman just left a conference in Dubai, and decided to write a bit
about oil prices because all the geopolitical stuff he heard was pretty
grim. But the oil stuff wasn't that interesting. His one paragraph about
geopolitics is:

"My other thought is that Venezuela-with-nukes (Russia) keeps looking more
vulnerable to crisis. Long-term interest rates at almost 13 percent, a
plunging currency, and a lot of private-sector institutions with large
foreign-currency debts. You might imagine that large foreign exchange
reserves would allow the government to bail out those in trouble, but the
markets evidently don’t think so. This is starting to look very serious."
http://tinyurl.com/jvwtyr3

Yes it is, and the reference to Venezuela-with-nukes is telling. A Russian
economic crash could just be a crash. That would be bad for Russia, bad for
Europe, and bad for the world. But it would hardly be the first time a
midsize economy crashed. It would be bad but manageable.

Except that Russia has Vladimir Putin, Russia has a pretty sizeable and
fairly competent military, and Russia has nukes. Putin has spent his entire
career building his domestic popularity partly by blaming the West for every
setback suffered by the Russian people, and that anti-Western campaign has
reached virulent proportions over the past year or two. If the Russian
economy does crash, and Putin decides that the best way to ride it out is to
demagogue Europe and the West as a way of deflecting popular anger away from
his own ruinous policies, it's hard to say what the consequences would be.
When Argentina pursues a game plan like that, you end up with a messy court
case and lots of diplomatic grandstanding. When Russia does it, things could
go a lot further.

I have precious little sympathy for Putin, whose success—such as it is—is
based on a toxic stew of insecurities and quixotic appetites that have
expressed themselves in a destructive brand of crude nativism; reactionary
bigotry; disdain for the rule of law, both domestic and international;
narrow and myopic economic vision; and dependence on an outdated and
illiberal oligarchy to retain power. Nonetheless, there are kernels of
legitimate grievance buried in many of these impulses, as well as kernels of
necessity given both Russia's culture and the post-Cold War collapse of its
economy that has left it perilously dependent on extractive industries.

I don't know if it's too late to use the kernels as building blocks to
improve, if not actually repair, Western relations with Putin's Russia. But
it's still worth trying. A Russian crash may or may not come, but it's
hardly out of the realm of possibility. And if it happens, even a modest
rapprochement between East and West could help avoid a disastrous outcome.

http://tinyurl.com/p7kcudr

[Mike]

Oleg Smirnov wrote

> It makes sense to repeat it again.

Is Putin still sucking cock? What's it like having an economy smaller than
Italy's and a per-capita GDP the size of Brazil?

[Oleg Smirnov]

Byker the Shithead, <news:G8OdnTQTQbqWDULH...@supernews.com>

> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pbnf3r$foq$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>
> It makes sense to repeat it again.
>
> Same here. In case you missed it, here it is once more:
>
> If you think our liberal websites are acting as Putin's apologists,
> think again:

I've repeated my own thoughts.
You zombified troll copy-and-paste the propaganda bullshit.
Proves my point.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 4/24/2018 10:12 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> Byker the Shithead, <news:G8OdnTQTQbqWDULH...@supernews.com>
>> "Oleg Smirnov"  wrote in message news:pbnf3r$foq$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>>
>> It makes sense to repeat it again.
>>
>> Same here. In case you missed it, here it is once more:
>>
>> If you think our liberal websites are acting as Putin's apologists,
>> think again:
>
> I've repeated my own thoughts.

No, you haven't. You don't have any of those. You've repeated the
thoughts you've been programmed to spew.

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pbp2sc$frn$2...@os.motzarella.org...

>
> I've repeated my own thoughts.
> You zombified troll copy-and-paste the propaganda bullshit.

It saves me the hassle of having to pound it out from scratch every time you
make an ass of yourself...

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/ydx29gcf> southfront.org

RUSSIA SHOWS WRECKAGE OF TRUMP'S "SMART" MISSILES INTERCEPTED IN SYRIA

- only 22 US, French, British missiles hit their targets;

- 46 missiles were intercepted by Syrian air defense systems covering the
capital of Syria and Duvali, Dumayr, Blai, and Mazzeh nearby airfields;

- 20 missiles were intercepted in three areas of the responsibility zone
of air defense of Homs;

- a part of the missiles failed to reach their targets by different,
apparently technical, reasons.

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/ydx29gcf>

...

The attack of the American, English and French scum on Syria was intended
to produce a show of force, but it was entirely symbolical by its results.
Given this, as well as the fact that the scum used a fabricated pretext
for the attack, instead of a show of force, it rather added more shame on
the US, UK and France. The scum certainly realize that they have brought
a shame upon themselves, and since they are primitive infantile bullies,
they highly likely will seek more false pretexts for self-affirmation.
All this brings you closer to the moment when Russia will have to respond
by military means, which promises nothing good to everyone.

I recommend everyone to take due preparatory measures individually.

All your current petty chores can suddenly become irrelevant.

[george152]

On 4/26/2018 9:18 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <http://tinyurl.com/ydx29gcf> southfront.org
>
> RUSSIA SHOWS WRECKAGE OF TRUMP'S "SMART" MISSILES INTERCEPTED IN SYRIA
>
> - only 22 US, French, British missiles hit their targets;
>
> - 46 missiles were intercepted by Syrian air defense systems covering
> the capital of Syria and Duvali, Dumayr, Blai, and Mazzeh nearby airfields;
>
> - 20 missiles were intercepted in three areas of the responsibility zone
> of air defense of Homs;

How do we know when the Russians are lying?
When they're posting or talking, writing or reporting.
They got cleaned out.
If you look at the various videos taken on the night there are no
opposing jet engine lights.
Its all incoming.
And the photos of the destroyed targets next day are pretty convincing

[Mr. B1ack]

It's not terrorism if *we* are doing it.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher,
<news:f3d860a4-a554-4122...@googlegroups.com>

> On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 5:22:37 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>> they highly likely will seek more false pretexts for self-affirmation.
>> All this brings you closer to the moment when Russia will have to respond
>> by military means, which promises nothing good to everyone.
>>
>> I recommend everyone to take due preparatory measures individually.
>>
>> All your current petty chores can suddenly become irrelevant.
>

> They need all this to keep the military-industrial complex going strong.
>
> There's no ideology --other than aversion to anything Russian-- just
> strictly business.

I understand, the warning is intended to common people.

Such a development seems possible to me, because the
delusional folks in 'western' policymaking are unable to
realistically assess the consequences.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/y8b2aek2> reuters.com

Russia presents unharmed Syrians to OPCW, Western envoys condemn 'stunt'

THE HAGUE (Reuters) - Russia and Syria presented more than a dozen unharmed
people from Ghouta, Syria .. to support claims there was no chemical attack
in the region this month.

Britain dismissed the move as a theatrical "stunt", and said allied powers
including France and the United States had boycotted the closed-door
briefing.

"The OPCW is not a theater," Peter Wilson, Britain's envoy to the agency ..

...

The Atlanticist claims about 'theater' are pathetic. Speaking about a
theater, one'd note that the fabricated 'chemical attack' visual 'evidence'
produced by the Atlanticist-supported 'white helmets' hoax group was really
a theater, that deserves all due epithets like 'stunt', 'obscene' etc.
This is yours - Atlanticist - shit.

Russia has presented not just unknown / unnamed unharmed Syrians, but those
people whom you can notice acting on those 'chemical' videos, fabricated by
the 'white helmets' hoax group.

...

Read / watch RT, Sputnik for relevant information <https://on.rt.com/9448>



> <http://tinyurl.com/ydx29gcf>

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pbqrir$aet$2...@os.motzarella.org...
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/ydx29gcf> southfront.org

>
> RUSSIA SHOWS WRECKAGE OF TRUMP'S "SMART" MISSILES INTERCEPTED IN SYRIA
>

> - only 22 US, French, British missiles hit their targets;

Be that the case, next time we'll just have to fire more missiles.

> I recommend everyone to take due preparatory measures individually.

I highly doubt the Russkies will throw away a thousand years of civilization
over a bunch of asslifting dune coons and tinpot dictators.

In reality, they're probably as prepared as they were during the Cuban
Missile Crisis, which isn't saying much.

Nuclear war "IMMINENT" as Russia tells citizens to find out where the
closest bunkers are: http://tinyurl.com/h6oucp9

Soviet Cold War joke:

Q: "What should we do in case of nuclear attack?"

A: "Wrap yourself in a sheet and walk slowly to the cemetery."

Q: "Why slowly?"

A: "You don't want to start a panic."

That reminds me of a statement from Gwynn Dyer's "War and Peace in the
Nuclear Age" PBS series in 1989:

Dyer's opinion of the USSR's nuclear war preparation: "When they evacuate
their cities, they'll be lucky if they freeze to death before the radiation
kills them.": http://tinyurl.com/jax8qxs

Dyer is still very much alive and well:
http://gwynnedyer.com/2015/seventy-years-wthout-a-nuclear-war/

THINK

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pansld$ip6$1...@os.motzarella.org...

>
> <https://twitter.com/FoxNews/statuses/984163732665356288>
>
> @FoxNews
> .@PressSec: "Russia .. They guaranteed that the use of chemical weapons by
> Syria would not happen again, they failed at that."

That's not news, that's to be expected...

[Oleg Smirnov]

Byker the Shithead, <news:05idnUPojZhGEH7H...@supernews.com>

Such a civilization where a degenerative banana republic with nukes -
what the present day US is - driven by baser instincts, aspires to be a
'hegemone', isn't worthy to exist, it's an insult to the intelligence.

I really believe that some day the Kremlin will have to respond with
military means to your inadvisable piggish behavior. Russian anger
should've been ripen well before it happens, and it's ripening. The
Kremlins seem to believe that sanity is still possible, I personally
am not so sure, your collective delusion and depravity went too far.

Prerequisites for war look quite real, and it may start at some moment.

[DoD]

"Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote in message
news:pc13tq$1ud$1...@os.motzarella.org...

Dude.. did you just really write that? As much as I want to have a
connection with my Slavic brothers from Russia.. You are not the
person to make that happen.. You are a fuckin idiot.. Do you really
understand how much that garbage you write is offensive to Slavic
people that have had the privilege to live in the west? Dude, you are
just a fucking picture perfect clown..... Fuck you are poor emissary
from whatever dipshit precinct that thought you were a good
spokesman... Just kill yourself, you moron.. You are a buffoon..
Sincerely anyone that has taste...

[Oleg Smirnov]

DoD, <news:pc19q1$ud$1...@dont-email.me>

> "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote in message

You Americans are all like young kids. The young kids have a big ego
and cannot see themselves self-critically. And you morons believe that
America, 'the west' is the only thing in the world.

Your country has become a shoddy banana republic mentally, because you
have allowed the consolidation of the mass media, so a small group of
minders easily manipulates over you today.

[Skeeter]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 17:20:08 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:

And you just live in a shithole.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Skeeter, <news:9g19edtjuf34mfq6p...@4ax.com>

> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 17:20:08 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>

Moscow is quite a comfortable (and pretty expensive) city.
I would be unable to live in the US. I don't like the pervasive
atmosphere of falsehood, polite smiles and the mass school shootings.

[Byker]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 17:20:08 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>

wrote:

>
>You Americans are all like young kids. The young kids have a big ego and
>cannot see themselves self-critically.

As if the Russkies really can.

> And you morons believe that America, 'the west' is the only thing in the
> world.

Just what Russkies have been saying about themselves since 1917.

> you have allowed the consolidation of the mass media, so a small group of
> minders easily manipulates over you today.

Putin and his cronies have done a fine job of doing just that to their
fellow countrymen...

[Skeeter]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:51:29 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:

I hear ya, living under a rats ass like Putin is so much better.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Byker the Shithead, <news:gcmdnUhR9Ju9JXnH...@supernews.com>

> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 17:20:08 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>

>> you have allowed the consolidation of the mass media, so a small group of
>> minders easily manipulates over you today.
>
> Putin and his cronies have done a fine job of doing just that to their
> fellow countrymen...

Not the case. It's impossible to imagine in Russia such a situation
when the politics-interested community would be for two years strongly
vibrating about a shoddy fabrication made completely out of thin air
(I mean 'Russiagate' and 'Russian election meddling'). In the US, the
well-brainwashed silly people eat this and take it seriously for real.

The mainstream mass media in Russia are largely consoludated too, but
they are liable and accountable. 'Tail wags dog' situation is not
possible in Russia. In you banana republic, the non-accountable MSM
have made in this way a circus animal out of original Trump. I.e. the
non-elected MSM have undermined the result of popular democratic vote.

Besides the media's legal liability for fake news, there's a strong
community of "media watchdogs" in Russia, - the people who closely
monitor the major media outlets, and if there were some 'suspicious'
news or claims, then it immediately becomes subject of discussion in
relevant communities, smaller independent outlets pick it up etc etc

This way it's difficult for the Russian MSM to promote falsehoods, -
in most cases they are being caught on clumsy technical mistakes or
reckless exaggerations or negligence in verification of sources. In
your banana republic, the liability for fake news is very weak, and
you also don't have a powerful watchdogs community. So, your MSM are
able to promote big falsehoods with impunity, and they heavily use
this possibility, - making the regular US public a zombified cattle.

The fact that your MSM constantly publish 'horror stories' about the
ostensible lack of freedom of press in Russia simply means that your
MSM mafia dreams about the possibility to establish in Russia similar
vicious system: non-accountable and non-liable non-elected mass media
that would be able to operate in 'tail wags dog' mode.

The situation is 'paradoxal': you minders teach you that the Russians
are brainwashed by the Kremlin propaganda, - meanwhile, in fact, the
reality is exactly the opposite.

So, in Russia the MSM are also largely consolidated, but in addition
to that there are means to control their sanity: both from the state
and from the grassroots. In your banana republic the MSM are mostly
free of any control. They teach you that such a situation is good, but
this is not actually so. The noncontrollable MSM abuse fake news (in
favor of the non-elected mass media owners), and this is the bold and
brazen case namely for your banana republic in the recent years.

An alternative solution would be compulsory antimonopoly fragmentation
of the media corporations (without harsh liability for fake news), but
this variant hasn't been implemented neither in Russia nor in the US.

PS. Of course, I've written it not for Byker, but for all. The above
is quite an important enlightening consideration, which is originally
my own, you would not find anything like this elsewhere.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Skeeter, <news:dth9ed9uc5pd6uqcs...@4ax.com>

> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:51:29 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>

>>> And you just live in a shithole.
>>
>> Moscow is quite a comfortable (and pretty expensive) city.
>> I would be unable to live in the US. I don't like the pervasive
>> atmosphere of falsehood, polite smiles and the mass school shootings.
>
> I hear ya, living under a rats ass like Putin is so much better.

You are just a silly American ignoramus.

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pc291c$73b$1...@os.motzarella.org...

>
> Moscow is quite a comfortable (and pretty expensive) city. I would be
> unable to live in the US. I don't like the pervasive atmosphere of
> falsehood, polite smiles and the mass school shootings.

Your streets are no safer than ours: https://tinyurl.com/ychqa33s

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote in message
>

> Such a civilization where a degenerative banana republic with nukes -
> what the present day US is - driven by baser instincts, aspires to be a
> 'hegemone', isn't worthy to exist, it's an insult to the intelligence.

German chancellor Helmut Schmidt once described the Soviet Union as "Upper
Volta with missiles." Looks like it's getting that way again, except that
Upper Volta has become Burkina Faso...

[Byker]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pc2l9r$pnu$1...@os.motzarella.org...

>
> You are just a silly American ignoramus.

Is that a new way of saying "Capitalist pig"?

[Skeeter]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 23:24:15 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:

And you're just a sore upset name calling commie punk.

[Skeeter]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 23:17:09 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:

>Byker the Shithead, <news:gcmdnUhR9Ju9JXnH...@supernews.com>
>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 17:20:08 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
>
>>> you have allowed the consolidation of the mass media, so a small group of
>>> minders easily manipulates over you today.
>>
>> Putin and his cronies have done a fine job of doing just that to their
>> fellow countrymen...
>

>Not the case. It's impossible to ima<SLAP>


Say what?

[Oleg Smirnov]

Skeeter, <news:e8t9edh8vvtllu4r6...@4ax.com>

> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 23:24:15 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>

>>>>> And you just live in a shithole.
>>>>
>>>> Moscow is quite a comfortable (and pretty expensive) city.
>>>> I would be unable to live in the US. I don't like the pervasive
>>>> atmosphere of falsehood, polite smiles and the mass school shootings.
>>>
>>> I hear ya, living under a rats ass like Putin is so much better.
>>
>> You are just a silly American ignoramus.
>
> And you're just a sore upset name calling commie punk.

I feel like a metropolitan among dense remote villagers.

[Skeeter]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 01:42:45 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:

Hey buttercup, if we can help take your mind off of that shithole then
that's good right?

[Oleg Smirnov]

Skeeter, <news:1av9edhtohuo0ralm...@4ax.com>

> On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 01:42:45 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>

>>>>>>> And you just live in a shithole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moscow is quite a comfortable (and pretty expensive) city.
>>>>>> I would be unable to live in the US. I don't like the pervasive
>>>>>> atmosphere of falsehood, polite smiles and the mass school shootings.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hear ya, living under a rats ass like Putin is so much better.
>>>>
>>>> You are just a silly American ignoramus.
>>>
>>> And you're just a sore upset name calling commie punk.
>>
>> I feel like a metropolitan among dense remote villagers.
>
> Hey buttercup, if we can help take your mind off of that shithole then
> that's good right?

oIoo

This is my finger for your meditation.

[Skeeter]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 02:27:58 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:

>This is my finger up my ass.

TMI my friend.