Just say NO to Clinton as Federal Nanny
John Smith
The Dole campaign has proposed a 15 percent across-the-board tax cut.
The Clinton campaign has proposed targeted tax credits
and deductions. So, both candidates have come out in favor of lower
taxes, right? What's the difference? Well, one is a good start
and the other is an insult to your intelligence.
A 15 percent across-the-board tax cut would bring the citizenry of the
United States as a whole from being ridiculously overtaxed
down to being very overtaxed -- a good start. Targeted tax credits and
deductions are the latest ways to express an old idea: social
engineering.
The idea behind targeted tax breaks is to influence the behavior of
individuals through the tax code. Advocates of this system believe
that we the people are just not bright enough to spend our money
prudently on our own. They believe that, left to our own devices,
we could never feed, house, clothe and educate our families properly,
nor would we donate a sufficient amount of our time and
money to those causes, projects, programs and organizations which they
have determined to be most worthy.
Do you regard the federal government as a parental entity? If you do,
and you honestly believe that you need the benevolent wisdom
and guidance of President Bill Clinton, Vice President Al Gore and
company in order to determine how best to spend your
paycheck, don't forget to vote for them on Nov. 5. If you find that
idea to be insulting, please tell two friends and make sure you all
vote. Thank you.
John S. Novak, III
>The Dole campaign has proposed a 15 percent across-the-board tax cut.
>The Clinton campaign has proposed targeted tax credits
>and deductions. So, both candidates have come out in favor of lower
>taxes, right? What's the difference?
None.
They're both lying, you politically brainwashed moron.
--
John S. Novak, III j...@cegt201.bradley.edu
http://cegt201.bradley.edu/~jsn/index.html
The Humblest Man on the Net
A device which is exploding.
John S. Novak, III <J...@cris.com> wrote:
>j...@csn.net (John Smith) writes:
>
>>and deductions. So, both candidates have come out in favor of lower
>>taxes, right? What's the difference?
>
>None.
>They're both lying, you politically brainwashed moron.
Let "John Smith" gibber all over Usenet, I say. More votes for Bubba.
Yep, the recent politards are from Colorado. Nope, I didn't put them
up to it, but either these posts are a clueless attempt at proselytising
or a fiendishly clever manoeuvre by the Dems to convince folks the Dole
campaign knows jack shit about the net.
Francois.
Charlie Stross
Martians beaming thought-waves under the command of the Queen of England
forced John Smith<j...@csn.net> to write (in article <504bu1$r...@harpo.uccs.edu>):
>The Dole campaign has proposed a 15 percent across-the-board tax cut.
>The Clinton campaign has proposed targeted tax credits
>and the other is an insult to your intelligence.
Yup.
Try cutting tax by 15% across the board and you'll have to cut a lot
of government expenditure (or increase the deficit astronomically, thus
increasing interest payments, ultimately pushing taxes up again). Cut
government expenditure and you're going to cause major civil disorder.
At the high end (defense contracts, for example), you risk triggering
a recession among the high-tech contractor companies who nuzzle at the
government teat. At the low end (welfare spending, for example), you
risk (a) creating unemployment among dole office workers, and (b) turning
the homeless problem into a major crisis (with a concomitant upsurge in
crime and risk of rioting).
A politician who thinks they can abruptly cut tax by 15% is either an
idiot or a knave. We've seen enough of them in the UK over the past
17 years not to be in any doubt over this. (Interesting factoid: the Tories
successfully cut the income tax base rate by 13%. Shame they increased
the VAT (sales tax) levels by 10% and applied indirect taxation to areas
that had previously been tax-free ...)
On the other hand, targeted tax credits and deductions may not give you
a hard-on, but at least there's a remote chance they can pull it off without
starting a civil war or mass riots that'll make the LA excursion look
like a vicarage tea-party.
Clue: the ship of state is a fucking supertanker. The tax rate is the
steering wheel. Know how long it takes one of those suckers to get
turned round? And what happens to a supertanker that starts taking the
waves broadside-on?
>A 15 percent across-the-board tax cut would bring the citizenry of the
>United States as a whole from being ridiculously overtaxed
>down to being very overtaxed
You've got one of the lowest tax levels in the developed world. Quit
whining. If you don't like America, go live in Stockholm.
--
Charlie "Keynesianism'R'Us" Stross -- cha...@fma.com
"Warning: Do not look into laser with remaining eye."
John S. Novak, III
>>They're both lying, you politically brainwashed moron.
>Let "John Smith" gibber all over Usenet, I say. More votes for Bubba.
Wait a minute, don't you have a bet riding on the outcome of this
election? I might vote counter your betting preferences-- it's
certainly as good a reason as any to cast a vote.
As has been said for many years, both idiots are going to wreck the
economy and screw with fundamental rights-- the only questions are how
and which ones.
br
f...@netcom.com (A device which is exploding.) wrote:
>Yep, the recent politards are from Colorado. Nope, I didn't put them
>up to it, but either these posts are a clueless attempt at proselytising
>or a fiendishly clever manoeuvre by the Dems to convince folks the Dole
>campaign knows jack shit about the net.
Yes, us patriots from the West don't quite fit into the plans for
Amerika. Were the fly in the ointment to the changing of
America to Amerika and becoming a politically correct society.
We don't quite fit into the plans as laid out by the Yale, or Harvard
educated commisars.
Yes, Amerika First ! Long live the bill of rights as mentioned by Prez
Bubba except for :
o The 2nd amendment, it is obselete and outdated
according to Bubba and must be deleted
o The 1st amendment, freedom of speech,
AS LONG AS it is politically correct
o Freedom of Religion, well ! very politically
incorrect with Bubba and especially this group
Hmmm, sounds like Orwell's "Animal Farm".
As for Mr. Novak, he mentioned he will vote for Bubba, if Bubba
wins, he can go over to his house and become good bed buddies.
Oded Anoaf Feingold
Charlie Stross (with Lyndon Larouche holding a Glock 7 to his head) wrote:
@> Cut government expenditure and you're going to cause major civil
@> disorder. At the high end (defense contracts, for example), you risk
@> triggering a recession among the high-tech contractor companies who
@> nuzzle at the government teat.
It's not so much the nuzzling at the government teat which causes
major civil disorders. It's laid-off aerospace engineers nuzzling at
Chinese/Indonesian/Iraqi/Iranian/Pakistani/Indian/Brazilian/Libyan/
Syrian/... government teats, after we've paid to train and experience
them, that cause civil disorder.
Such as a rain of IRBMs carrying chemical warheads from one developing
country into another.
Our turn only comes later, when we righteously stomp an upstart, then
discover that the technology which fits our bombs into cruise missiles
lets others fit theirs into suitcases.
[Problem with TW800 - if "we" decide someone blew it up, there are so
many nations who feel they really owe us, we'll never narrow it down.]
Nils Nieuwejaar
Charlie Stross <cha...@fma.com> wrote:
>
>A politician who thinks they can abruptly cut tax by 15% is either an
>idiot or a knave.
Since Dole was an budget-hawkish anti-supply-sider until a month or two
ago, I suspect he knows you can't abruptly cut taxes by 15%. I guess
that just makes him a lying political opportunist. Unfortunately, that
seems to be a required qualification for any presidential candidate.
Geoff Miller
o...@averdon.ai.mit.edu (Oded Anoaf Feingold) writes:
> Problem with TW800 - if "we" decide someone blew it up, there are so
> many nations who feel they really owe us, we'll never narrow it down.
The solution is obvious: take 'em *all* out. We'll have to go to the
mat with the sonsabitches individually sooner or later anyway, so why
not get it over with quickly, at our convenience?
Doing things this way would be far more efficient, and it would kill two
birds with one stone. It would solve the problem of nuclear proliferation
among rogue nations, and also serve to remind those who would fuck with us
that America and the indistrialized West are most decidedly *not* paper
tigers, and that they should bloody well *fear* us lest they be found
crunchy and good with ketchup. All while diminishing the global nuclear
stockpile, which would please the peace creeps and lava-lamp Luddites.
Now would that be a win-win situation, or what?
Or to put it another way: Would you rather pull the proverbial Band-Aid
off all at once -- or one hair at a time?
Geoff
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John S. Novak, III
In <507cdb$j...@natasha.rmii.com> b...@rmii.com (br) writes:
>J...@cris.com (John S. Novak, III) wrote:
>> Find me a place where I said I'd vote for Clintoon.
>Here is proof :
>> John S. Novak, III <J...@cris.com> wrote:
>> Let "John Smith" gibber all over Usenet, I say. More votes for Bubba.
>What you are implying is that you favor Bubba and will vote for him.
No, you fucking prophylactic mishap, that is _not_ what I was implying
and it is _not_ what I said. Go back and actually _read_ the article
which you quoted in part, and directly out of context. You will see,
if you are in fact literate, and not merely pressing keys at random
with your warty little pudendum, that the words you attribute to me
were written by A Device Which Is Exploding, not by me.
I _quoted_ them, much as you quoted my text above. How you managed to
figure out the quoteing convention(*) enough to make you most recent
post coherent, while completely missing the fact that I was using
quoted text myself, is something I fail to understand.
You are too stupid to live.
You are the reason I put a mirror image of a Darwin Fish on my front
bumper.(**)
* BoneUs Peeve: That Usenet has sunken so low, that I actually
expect to see people failing to understand a quoting convention and
mechanism which is so staggeringly simple I would have thought even
babies born with only brainstems would be able to figure it out.
** Figure it out, Monkey Boy.
John S. Novak, III
>As for Mr. Novak, he mentioned he will vote for Bubba, if Bubba
>wins, he can go over to his house and become good bed buddies.
You are a horse's ass without the sense God gave the wetspot on the
sheets that you should have been. Find me a place where I said I'd
vote for Clintoon.
--
br
J...@cris.com (John S. Novak, III) wrote:
> Find me a place where I said I'd vote for Clintoon.
Here is proof :
Deirdre Sholto-Douglas
John Smith (j...@csn.net) wrote:
: A 15 percent across-the-board tax cut would bring the citizenry of the
: United States as a whole from being ridiculously overtaxed
<chortle> You're joking, right?
The amount you are taxed is a function of where you reside. Federal
tax, when compared to other countries, is fairly low...even if you
include the deduction for Social Security. Some states have no state
tax to speak of and very low sales tax. Yeah, some have hellish state
taxes, sales taxes, property taxes etc., but the individual *chooses*
to reside in these places, they aren't assigned a spot by some imaginary
Big Brother.
If you think you're taxed too much, then look closely at the secondary
taxes which you accrue. The federal tax is almost *nothing* compared
to the add-on taxes. Sure, I whince when I open my property tax bill,
but this is where I *want* to live and I was well aware of the tax
structure of the area prior to purchasing. If you're too unorganised
to research the taxes on a particular area before you plant yourself
there, then who really is at fault?
Peeve: People who scream about taxes are also the first ones to
shriek when government services are cut.
Deirdre
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| Deirdre Sholto-Douglas | e-mail: fi...@Mercury.mcs.com |
| | |
******* The only acceptable substitute for intelligence *******
is silence.
Kelly Fitzpatrick
John S. Novak, III (J...@cris.com) wrote:
: In <504bu1$r...@harpo.uccs.edu> j...@csn.net (John Smith) writes:
: > (Tax-cut tweedle-dee, Tax-cut tweedle-dum)
: None.
: They're both lying, you politically brainwashed moron.
Thank you for your minimalist and tasteful application of the Wire Brush
of Enlightenment, John.
--
Kelly (The Devil that I know, or...) Fitzpatrick
"I read the newspaper avidly. It's my one form
of continuous fiction." -Aneurin Bevan
Roger Lee
In article <507p9j$l...@natasha.rmii.com>, br <b...@rmii.com> wrote:
>kmf...@saba.kuentos.guam.net (Kelly Fitzpatrick) wrote:
>
>>Thank you for your minimalist and tasteful application of the Wire Brush
>>of Enlightenment, John.
>
Now I would REALLY like to see what logic path you took to come to THIS
highly relevant conclusion.
Take your time. We'll wait.
--
C'mon. Take the plunge. By the time you go through rehab the first time,
you'll be surrounded by the most interesting people, and if it takes
years off of your life, don't sweat it. They'll be the last ones anyway.
-- Vinnie Jordan, alt.peeves
br
Orc
In article <504bu1$r...@harpo.uccs.edu>, John Smith <j...@csn.net> wrote:
[a long incoherent post, pretty much saying CLINTON BAD! CLINTON BAD!
Anybody But Clinton GOOD! If you've got a threaded newsreader and
want to amuse yourself, you know where to find it. If you're an ABCer
yourself, you're probably already on the fifth page of your spittle-
flaked rebuttal. Go ahead, press that [POST] button -- we can use the
additional bait]
As much as I think that Clinton is a clod, at least he's not yet decided
to bribe people into voting for him. I'm just waiting for November to
start breathing heavily down people's necks, because then I'm sure that
the bribes will start to get interesting. "If you make ME president,
I'll cut your tax rate to 0% AND give each and every one of you a ONE
MILLION DOLLAR rebate to make up for the injustice of having a central
government provide services!" The ABCers will eat it up, of course,
but I'll still vote for Clinton just so I can have another four years
worth of amusement as the Republican Revolution, and the lofty babble
of the ABCers, continue to work itself into a pile of twisted debris
against the hard rock of an unpleasant reality.
Now if the ABCers would come out in favor of Lyndon LaRouche or Pat
Buchanan, now that would be more interesting; at least then you don't
have to watch the continuing degradation of a previously respectable
career government official who's picked up an unhealthy addiction for
the presidency.
____
david parsons \bi/ but look on the bright side; Clinton can still shoot
\/ his nose off before November rolls around.
A device which is exploding.
>
>>>They're both lying, you politically brainwashed moron.
>
>election? I might vote counter your betting preferences-- it's
>certainly as good a reason as any to cast a vote.
C'mon, John, after all the cuddly things you've said about Clinton
over the past few years you *weren't* gonna vote?
Pull me other leg, it's got bells on it. On the other hand,
if you want some of that action against Bubba I'd be willing
to help you along that primrose path.
>As has been said for many years, both idiots are going to wreck the
>economy and screw with fundamental rights-- the only questions are how
>and which ones.
Hmm. Golly, the economy sure looks terrible now. Lotsa new jobs,
thriving IPO market, fairly low interest rates.... Yep, it's in
the gutter all right. Dang them Deemokrats anyway!
And as far as fundamental rights, the Republicans got that one all sewn up:
given the Jeezusmongers had written most of the platform it sure looks like
the only thing safeguarded was the right to be the fundie of your choice.
Francois.
John S. Novak, III
>C'mon, John, after all the cuddly things you've said about Clinton
>over the past few years you *weren't* gonna vote?
Oh, of course I'll vote. In the grand modern American tradition, I
will vote out of spite, and I will vote _against_ someone not _for_
them, but I will vote. I regard the five minute hassle as my moral
justification for four years of bitching about the state of the
government.
What I meant was that, when the evils are so balanced in magnitude,
voting against your bet is as good a decision making practice as
any.
>Pull me other leg, it's got bells on it. On the other hand,
>if you want some of that action against Bubba I'd be willing
>to help you along that primrose path.
I only bet when I can afford to lose money, no matter how sure I am of
victory. At this point, I'm flat broke. Talk to me maybe in
October.
Kelly Fitzpatrick
br (b...@rmii.com) wrote:
: You probably voted for Carter in 1980 against Reagan.
I would probably have voted for Beelzebub himself against Reagan, but
Carter? No, I *do* have my limits.
--
Kelly Fitzpatrick
Natural Born Cereal Killer
cha...@fma.com writes:
>Try cutting tax by 15% across the board and you'll have to cut a lot
>of government expenditure
It is my understanding that this is the very idea.
>>A 15 percent across-the-board tax cut would bring the citizenry of the
>>United States as a whole from being ridiculously overtaxed
>>down to being very overtaxed
>
>You've got one of the lowest tax levels in the developed world. Quit
>whining. If you don't like America, go live in Stockholm.
Actually, we're not that far off from most of Yurrip and
other industrial nations. America, unlike most others, does not
have a government-run health care system. When one takes the
money we pay in taxes and then adds the money we pay in health
insurance, co-payments, prescriptions, and the like, we wind up
with a tax rate approaching 50%. Details are in one of the last
three issues of Forbes magazine, recently spotted in the corporate
library next to the shitter in stall #2.
However, saying "You've got the lowest tax levels in
the developed world" is sort of like saying, "You've got the
lowest blood pressure in the Stock Exchange." At some point,
one has to step back and ask what the benefits are compared to
the required outlay.
I feel a peeve coming on, and I think Deidre provided a
good warm-up for it...
-- Dan
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* Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. *
* The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need *
* those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. *
Natural Born Cereal Killer
fi...@Mars.mcs.com (Deirdre Sholto-Douglas) writes:
>If you think you're taxed too much, then look closely at the secondary
>taxes which you accrue. The federal tax is almost *nothing* compared
>to the add-on taxes.
The woman speaks TRVTH.
>Peeve: People who scream about taxes are also the first ones to
> shriek when government services are cut.
Not for a minute. Fact is, there are a lot of government
"services" I can do quite well, and perhaps even better, without.
Some of you may remember that I moved to the Omaha area
in order to gain some decent employment and build a house on
some 50 acres of forest I happen to own. A few more might
remember the administrative hurdles I had to leap just to
put my own house on the place.
Well, the time is here and I'm starting the process. This
may go down in history as the greatest failure since Polish cavalry.
I called the electric company. They have to run two poles
from an existing line to feed my electronic addiction. For that
they will charge $700. Then it will take underground lines to
get to the house. For that they'll charge an additional $350.
If I did the trench, they'll take off $100 but charge me $75
to have the resulting trench "inspected." They also offer a
discount on my electric rate to help offset these costs. Great.
I called a well-digger. $1000 for the well, $.08/ft to
dig the hole. That's fairly reasonable, but then he has to add in
another $200 to get the well "tested." Guess who tests it? Yup,
some guy in City Hall.
Septic tank. I have the tank, I have the lines, I have
a tractor with loader to dig the hole with. I still need another
$400 for inspections and certifications from City Hall.
Foundation. A couple thousand for concrete doesn't
bother me, living as I do in tornado alley. What peeves me
is that I have to get a "concrete inspector" from City Hall
to come around and look at the foundation so he can tell City
Hall, where he works, that it is indeed a foundation. Maybe
he'll bring some sort of elaborate NDE equipment out, perform
hardness, stress, strain, and shear tests on my concrete, and
certify that the house will sit inert on such a perfect foundation.
More likely he'll come out, look at it, mark up a form on a
clipboard, kick the odd brick, and send me a bill.
Zoning inspector. This guy charges another couple of
hundred bucks to come out, observe that I am indeed on my own
land and that I have not built a factory housing several thousand
migrant body-shop workers, at which time City Hall files the
appropriate paperwork in whatever office deals with this stuff.
Surveyors. Yes, surveyors are needed because if you merely
own a chunk and pay taxes based upon the size of said chunk, that
can be done with a helicopter and a camera. If you want to live
there, on the other hand, we need to have boundary lines certified
by a surveyor so we can tell that your well isn't five feet too
close to a property line, or that your septic system is far
enough from the neighbor's corn field. The surveyors will come
out, mark off four posts, and leave a bill for $1200 (estimated).
Finally, it's time to put up a house. City Hall requires
permits be filed, for an appropriate fee, from electricians,
plumbers, engineers, architects, roofers, the fire department,
the health department, the public works department, the police
department, and some other department making sure I don't
deprive some field mouse of his livlihood.
Jumping Jesus-the-Carpenter-Christ nailing boards
while being nailed by Ceasar and the Roman Senate as Legions
await an enforcement order, this sort of shit doesn't take a
city government to oversee! Mankind has been building houses
for thousands of years! We *know* how to do it! I figure
close to 30% of the costs on this place are due to fees,
imposed by City Hall, for the express purpose of making sure
yet another clerk has a job filing papers.
Then there's the fun and games of being annexed by a
local city or town. That two grand you spent on a well? Lost.
You *have* to use city water, and you *have* to pay a few
thousand bucks for them to run the pipes to your home. Your
septic system, which worked for years, is gone. You will
use the new sewer system, and you will pay $3000 for the
ability to do so. And you *will* allow these fire hydrants
to be placed in your back yard, and you will mow around them,
and you will ensure fire trucks can traverse your driveway,
and you will place a culvert in that ditch so we can drive
bulldozers over it if we need to...
Will I bitch if my taxes go down and government
"services" are lost as well? Hell, I'll be up on the roof
dancing a jig and singing "Hellelulia!" the day they decide
to leave me the hell alone!
And to think, this from a woman still harboring a
fugitive groundhog and paying taxes so people can pay attention
to that sort of Threat To America.
Were it not for the example provided in Richmond, I'd
just secede right now and get it over with.
Deirdre Sholto-Douglas
Natural Born Cereal Killer (z1...@exnet.iastate.edu) wrote:
: I feel a peeve coming on, and I think Deidre provided a
: good warm-up for it...
Who?
Should I send you a box of "r's", Dan? To insert as needed?
No Parking EXCEPT FOR BOB
Deirdre Sholto-Douglas <fi...@Mars.mcs.com> wrote:
>
>Should I send you a box of "r's", Dan? To insert as needed?
Hmmmm.
Usually, "r's" would describe _where_ to insert, rather than what.
Bob O`Bob
--
Deirdre Sholto-Douglas
: >Peeve: People who scream about taxes are also the first ones to
: > shriek when government services are cut.
: Not for a minute. Fact is, there are a lot of government
: "services" I can do quite well, and perhaps even better, without.
: I called the electric company.
<snip>
Last I looked, Dan, this was a private, for-profit type company.
Despite delusions to the contrary, the electric company isn't
the government.
: I called a well-digger. $1000 for the well, $.08/ft to
: dig the hole. That's fairly reasonable, but then he has to add in
: another $200 to get the well "tested." Guess who tests it? Yup,
: some guy in City Hall.
The costs you refer to are the long-term result of the Save-Us-
From-Ourself Mentality which has swept this country. Your well
needs to be tested...hell, Dan, you and I both know they aren't
checking for taste. Your well could run pure rust and taste
like brimstone and they'd certify it 'Safe'. Why? Because
sulphur and iron won't kill you...at least not in any noticable
manner, so therefore the well is 'safe', even if the water tastes
terrible and smells like blood. They're looking for toxic waste
predominately...obstensibly *corporate* toxic waste (the better
to pawn off the costs), but they'd also like to know if any of
the stuff they (in this case, Uncle Sam himself) have buried has
breached and leached.
Having lived in an area where toxins *had* leached, I considered
the test money as money well spent. I don't care to drink insecticide,
your mileage may vary.
: Septic tank. I have the tank, I have the lines, I have
: a tractor with loader to dig the hole with. I still need another
: $400 for inspections and certifications from City Hall.
To insure that you don't contaminate the well of the guy downstream
with E. Coli, mostly. To insure that you don't screw up the ground
water and to verify that you had sense enough to locate your septic
on an area where it will percolate. Just because you're clear on
the concept doesn't mean the city morons with stars in their eyes
about a house in the country won't place their septic smack atop the
inlet to an aquifier. If the guy upstream of you messes up as a
result of *not* being inspected, you'd be damned upset not to have
potable water anymore.
: Foundation. A couple thousand for concrete doesn't
: bother me, living as I do in tornado alley. What peeves me
: is that I have to get a "concrete inspector" from City Hall
: to come around and look at the foundation so he can tell City
: Hall, where he works, that it is indeed a foundation. Maybe
I suspect this one is directed predominately at fly-by-night
businesses and scurrilous contractors. You, as an individual,
just happened to get swept up in the larger net. Think about
it for a moment though...assume you *don't* know what's what
about building, pretend you're just Joe Schmoe buying a house.
Are you going to be able to recognise that there's too much
sand in the mix and that the foundation will crumble? Would
you notice cracks which indicate improper curing? Or would
you want someone who does know these things to look at it for
you? You know as well as I do, if the foundation crumbles,
the house will follow.
: Zoning inspector. This guy charges another couple of
: hundred bucks to come out, observe that I am indeed on my own
: land and that I have not built a factory housing several thousand
: migrant body-shop workers, at which time City Hall files the
: appropriate paperwork in whatever office deals with this stuff.
An inspection which wouldn't have been necessary had people not
tried to do exactly what the inspection is designed to prevent.
Would you like to see a smoke belcher go up next to your 50
acres because no one bothered to check to see that the zoning
requirements were upheld?
: Surveyors. Yes, surveyors are needed because if you merely
: own a chunk and pay taxes based upon the size of said chunk, that
: can be done with a helicopter and a camera. If you want to live
Pretty pricy, I must admit. Have you accepted bids for the job or
is there only one game in town? And is your plat survey so old
that it's invalid? (Or did you buy a parcel off a larger piece?)
: Finally, it's time to put up a house. City Hall requires
: permits be filed, for an appropriate fee, from electricians,
: plumbers, engineers, architects, roofers, the fire department,
: the health department, the public works department, the police
: department, and some other department making sure I don't
: deprive some field mouse of his livlihood.
<ahem> That other department wouldn't happen to be the DNR, now
would it? The permits are a necessary evil and you pay them if
you build in town also. If you purchased a house from a builder
in a subdivision, the cost of all these permits would be built into
the selling price. The fact that you're doing it yourself means that
you see exactly where the money goes.
When I bought this place, I didn't have to pay fees because they had
been passed on to the first owner. The one who contracted to have
it built. I could have simply closed my eyes and signed on the bottom
line because as a 'second-hand' property, no inspections were required,
not even by the mortgage or the insurance company. Instead, after
making the offer and prior to signing the Note, I paid to have someone
(several someones, actually) come out and inspect the property for me.
Inspect the foundation, the roof, the plumbing, the electric and who
knows what else. Sure, my initial inspection judged the place as
sound, but I don't do construction for a living, nor do I inspect it,
and I wanted a second opinion to confirm my judgement...an opinion
I was more than willing to pay for.
As a result of the inspection, several minor problems (sump pump,
cracked drain tiles and blown pipes in the master bath) were repaired
prior to my moving in and discovering them the hard way. I was also
warned (correctly, it turned out) that the roof would not withstand
too many windstorms and that moisture in the cellar would ultimately
rot the floorboards if steps weren't taken. The inspector also
recommended increasing the r value of the insulation and correcting
the draft on the chimney *before* it burned down the house.
I tink I paid almost $800.00 for the privilege of having a stranger
go through and pick apart something I dearly wanted to buy. The
result was that although I knew there were problems, I didn't go
into it blind. Accordingly, I fixed most of the problems within the
first year of living here...the roof fixed itself when it took off
for Oz.
Unless you're doing all the work yourself, and even if you are,
you're going to want to have someone look to make sure something
hasn't been overlooked. Especially if you're jobbing out. Shady
contracters abound and finding out after-the-fact and after the
cheque has cleared is too late.
: close to 30% of the costs on this place are due to fees,
Ah, but you hit it right there, Dan. These aren't taxes, these
are *fees*.
If they qualified as taxes, you'd be able to deduct the cost of
them from your 1040 as "Other taxes paid". Having been there
and considered that, I know that one can't deduct them as taxes
unless, of course, one *wants* to sample the judicial system
from the inside out.
: Then there's the fun and games of being annexed by a
: local city or town. That two grand you spent on a well? Lost.
<raised eyebrows> My place out in the back of beyond was annexed
but even the town doing the annexing wasn't crazy enough to
suggest running city water and sewer out. If you get nailed
with these costs, then you're fairly close to town to start.
: And to think, this from a woman still harboring a
: fugitive groundhog and paying taxes so people can pay attention
: to that sort of Threat To America.
This is coming from a man who takes advantage of a government
program to lower his property taxes by having a portion of his
property declared a 'preserve.' You can't have it both ways.
If you don't want to pay the fees at City Hall, then by rights,
you should give up the benefits of tax relief.
Your property taxes are obscenely low compared to mine, although
once you 'improve' the property, they'll probably go up. But
they'll only go up on that portion which you haven't protected
by sheltering it in a government tax program. Once you finally
get established and past the 'start-up' costs, your taxes will
*always* be lower than mine and you'll *always* have more land
to show for it.
It's a trade off, Dan. Your initial costs are high, but your
long term ones are lower whereas my initial costs would seem
lower (as a result of buying a 'used' house) and my long term
ones higher. In the end, it balances out for all concerned.
Charlie Stross
Natural Born Cereal Killer<z1...@exnet.iastate.edu> wrote
(in article <50co42$2...@news.iastate.edu>):
>
> However, saying "You've got the lowest tax levels in
>the developed world" is sort of like saying, "You've got the
>lowest blood pressure in the Stock Exchange." At some point,
>one has to step back and ask what the benefits are compared to
>the required outlay.
Have a cigar. You've just hit the bullseye.
> I feel a peeve coming on, and I think Deidre provided a
>good warm-up for it...
And the subject of today's peeve ... could it by any chance be
'inefficiency in the public sector'?
I suspect if the US government was as efficient as, say, the
average half-assed EC feather-bedding bureaucratic empire, the
Stars'n'stripes would have been flying over the moons of Jupiter
for the past decade or so, there'd be no budget deficit, and you'd
have health and welfare systems that worked -- plus lower taxes to
boot.
(ObClue: the entire EU bureaucracy is smaller than the Scottish Office,
yet coordinates what is effectively a loosely federated state about the
same size, population, and GDP as the USA. I wonder how they do it?)
--
Charlie Stross -- cha...@fma.com, cha...@antipope.demon.co.uk
br
z1...@exnet.iastate.edu (Natural Born Cereal Killer) wrote:
>>Peeve: People who scream about taxes are also the first ones to
>> shriek when government services are cut.
> Not for a minute. Fact is, there are a lot of government
>"services" I can do quite well, and perhaps even better, without.
There is the old saying, "Be thankful that you don't get all the
government that you pay for." There are a lot of rules and
regulations that the gov't does not have the time or funds to
enforce. Take for instance the car that you drive. There is a
federal regulation that your car windows cannot be tinted beyond
70% light transmission which is basically clear glass. Auto tint shops
currently tint car windows darker than what the federal regulation
allows. Those shops can be busted for violating federal regulations
but the agency, The National Highway Safety Traffic Administration,
does not have the funding to do it. Busting window tint shops was one
of the priorities of the Clinton Administration but they took too long
to name the NHSTA Chief, Ritardo Martinez. He cried and sobbed
when the 55 mph speed limit was repealed.
I'll be happy when I get less gov't "services". A quite a few of us
will be happy to be left alone, an old American pastime that has
been forgotten in the politically correct 1990's.
> Then there's the fun and games of being annexed by a
>local city or town. That two grand you spent on a well? Lost.
>You *have* to use city water, and you *have* to pay a few
>thousand bucks for them to run the pipes to your home. Your
>septic system, which worked for years, is gone. You will
>use the new sewer system, and you will pay $3000 for the
>ability to do so. And you *will* allow these fire hydrants
>to be placed in your back yard, and you will mow around them,
>and you will ensure fire trucks can traverse your driveway,
>and you will place a culvert in that ditch so we can drive
>bulldozers over it if we need to...
A lady who I worked with bought a new house which was
on septic and well water was ordered by the city to pay
the hookup fees of $3000 and to not only unhook from
the well and septic but to have them disabled permanently.
My father bought an old house for his business and the city
told him to unhook from the septic/well and he told them to
stick it and threaten to sue if forced. The city basically left him
alone.
br
J...@cris.com (John S. Novak, III) wrote:
[ John Smith's tax reduction opinion SNIPPED ]
>None.
>They're both lying, you politically brainwashed moron.
A lot of people have short memories. When Bubba got into the
whitehouse, Leon Panetta, an arrogant horses ass, said,
"The Federal Gov't has a right to all the earnings of the
American people for the benefit of society and whatever
is left, if any, can be spent by the American People as they
see fit."
Whose money is it that you earn ? Yours or the gov't ? A lot
of the big media and gov't people are of the opinion that the
money you earn is not yours ! As far as they are concerned, it is
their money and whatever scraps there are, they will allow you
to keep out of the "goodness" of their hearts.
Robert Crawford
Orc <o...@pell.chi.il.us> wrote:
>As much as I think that Clinton is a clod, at least he's not yet decided
>to bribe people into voting for him.
?
Apparently you missed the "grab bag of goodies" Bubba was
handing out in his acceptance speech. He's offered a "targeted tax
break" (nee "loophole") to everyone except young, single, childless
whites living in the suburbs.
--
The first evidence of any programming language's utility is the number
of card games written in that language.
Robert Crawford craw...@iac.net
Ayse Sercan
br <b...@rmii.com> wrote:
>
>A lady who I worked with bought a new house which was
>on septic and well water was ordered by the city to pay
>the hookup fees of $3000 and to not only unhook from
>the well and septic but to have them disabled permanently.
>My father bought an old house for his business and the city
>told him to unhook from the septic/well and he told them to
>stick it and threaten to sue if forced. The city basically left him
>alone.
And why do you think cities require newly-annexed portions to hook up to
the sewer system? Just for kicks and giggles?
It's because when a portion of a town is annexed to a city, it comes under
a different kind of zoning. If the new zoning allows houses to be built
on lots of 1/4 acre where the town only allowed houses to be built on lots
of 4 acres, well, you obviously don't want some wiseass developer deciding
to build to the limits of the zoning laws, with a septic system for each
house. For the same reason that Dan had to get an inspector out to look
at his septic system and property lines: it's a danger to the water
supply. Believe me, you can get mighty sick from a poorly-constructed
septic tank.
You can bet that the same people who bitch and moan about regulations and
inspections are a) the people who won't pass them because they're trying
something dodgy, and b) would scream and cry if they found out their water
was contaminated and the government hadn't told them.
If people didn't act like morons, there would be no need for the
government to step in. But in this case, I'm for having *more*
inspections. It's too easy to get off right now. Just meeting code is
shoddy construction. Just meeting environmental regulations is still
trashing the planet.
--
ay...@netcom.com
"When we moved to Iowa, however, we realized that
we needed professional help." --Don Baldwin
Robert Crawford
Ayse Sercan <ay...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Just meeting environmental regulations is still
>trashing the planet.
Then what's the fucking point behind them? Or do we need
_more_ laws?
Peeve: "Trashing the planet". With a few notable exceptions,
I'm unconvinced that we're threatened by the numerous
eco-catastrophies we're supposed to believe in. It was the Coming Ice
Age in the '70s, then Global Warming in the '80s -- what will it be in
the year 2000? How many people remember Carl "Will Predict Doom To Get
On TV" Sagan's predictions about the Persian Gulf when Hussein torched
all the oil wells?
Why not apply scientific standards to environmental issues?
Why not ask for good science before we act, and possibly destroy
peoples' lives? Why not apply cost-benefit analyses to environmental
laws?
Peeve^2: Because, almost without exception, it's a matter of
religion to those pushing for environmental laws, not a matter of
science.
Ayse Sercan
Robert Crawford <craw...@iac.net> wrote:
>Ayse Sercan <ay...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>Just meeting environmental regulations is still
>>trashing the planet.
>
> Then what's the fucking point behind them? Or do we need
>_more_ laws?
At one time, people could be counted upon to do the right thing just
because it was the right thing. Then somebody somewhere decided that
because the actual regulations were pretty slack and ill-defined, they
could be pushed to their limits.
> Peeve: "Trashing the planet". With a few notable exceptions,
>I'm unconvinced that we're threatened by the numerous
>eco-catastrophies we're supposed to believe in.
There's a big difference between "trashing the planet" and predictions of
disaster. If I trash my apartment, it's a fucking big mess, but it's not
as if I ripped the building up from its foundations, ferchrissake.
Same thing with the water supply. If Dan Sorenson shits in your water
supply because he builds his septic tank incorrectly, the water supply
will eventually clear up. Maybe not in your lifetime, but that's not
gloabl disaster. It just means your property value nosedives. C'est la
vie.
> Why not apply scientific standards to environmental issues?
>Why not ask for good science before we act, and possibly destroy
>peoples' lives? Why not apply cost-benefit analyses to environmental
>laws?
The first two are good questions, and in most cases are already applied
(like septic tank regulations, for example). The latter is so subjective
that one could argue it is already being applied. Whose cost? Whose
benefit?
> Peeve^2: Because, almost without exception, it's a matter of
>religion to those pushing for environmental laws, not a matter of
>science.
For the most part, those who oppose environmental laws do so without one
bit of knowledge of what they are suggesting.
Just as people oppose nuclear power plants without understanding that
they're a fuck of a lot cleaner than the alternatives, or people oppose
taxes and then bitch when their street goes unrepaired for five years,
people who oppose simple environmental regulations like laws about how
close you can build septic systems to each other (which have their basis
in *proven* data) are simply to goddamned ignorant. They should be
dragged from the permit office where they're sputtering and ranting and
shot in the back of the head, like rabid dogs.
--
ay...@netcom.com
"Feh. Any self-respecting cat will claw its way out of a cardboard box in
a jiffy. No, the only way to keep a cat under control is to cut a couple
of its legs off with a pair of tinsnips." --Jon McCulloch
Geoff Miller
ay...@netcom.com (Ayse Sercan) writes:
> You can bet that the same people who bitch and moan about regulations
> and inspections are a) the people who won't pass them because they're
> trying something dodgy, and b) would scream and cry if they found out
> their water was contaminated and the government hadn't told them.
That's right, and those people who object to DUI checkpoints and
other forms of unreasonable search and seizure must have something
to hide. The Government is only here to help, folks. So wise up
and stop complaining. All this is only for your own good -- and
of course, for that of the chilllllllldruuuuun.
> Just meeting environmental regulations is still trashing the planet.
How earnestly Generation X of you. Been watching Empty Vee again, eh?
Peeve: the phrase "trashing the planet" -- so mindlessly overused that
it's become a linguistic token.
Geoff "planet-raper" Miller
--
Why be politcally correct when you can be right?
Roger Lee
In article <fpsDx0...@netcom.com>,
A device which is exploding. <f...@netcom.com> wrote:
>And as far as fundamental rights, the Republicans got that one all sewn up:
>given the Jeezusmongers had written most of the platform it sure looks like
>the only thing safeguarded was the right to be the fundie of your choice.
Of course I challenge you to find ANY politician of any stripe or position in
the last 200 years of American political history that stood by any platform
they professed.
James Lloyd Hill
ay...@netcom.com (Dixy Lee Sercan) writes:
>For the most part, those who oppose environmental laws do so without one
>bit of knowledge of what they are suggesting.
And, for the most part, those who promote environmental laws do so without
one bit of knowledge of what they are suggesting. The FROMATES, despite
their undeniable love for Terra Mater and all her Chilluns, can't seem to
get it through their heads that so long as their solution involves a
radical upheaval in my life and my solution doesn't, the burden of
scientific proof is on them. Re: global warming, I think it's safe to say
that meteorologic, like geologic, trends are best observed over hundreds,
if not thousands, of years. Yet the greenieweenies would have us do
away with the internal combustion engine based on a century of weather
observations. That's just silly.
Jim
--
j-h...@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu http://www.swcp.com/~jimhill/
"Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb? Mother do you think they'll
like this song? Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls? Ooo,
Mother should I build a wall?"
Nosy
<In article <50b2uf$m...@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> kmf...@saba.kuentos.guam.net (Kelly Fitzpatrick) writes:
< br (b...@rmii.com) wrote:
< : You probably voted for Carter in 1980 against Reagan.
< I would probably have voted for Beelzebub himself against Reagan, but
< Carter? No, I *do* have my limits.
Oh, Kelly, stop pulling this moron's leg; he's gonna wise
up eventually and figger out where "Guam" is....
Kelly Fitzpatrick
Robert Crawford (craw...@cris.com) wrote:
: Apparently you missed the "grab bag of goodies" Bubba was
: handing out in his acceptance speech. He's offered a "targeted tax
: break" (nee "loophole") to everyone except young, single, childless
: whites living in the suburbs.
Fuck it. You people are having too much fun already, you don't need a tax
cut.
--
Kelly (Now where were those food stamps...?) Fitzpatrick
Nosy
<J...@cris.com (John S. Novak, III) wrote:
<> Find me a place where I said I'd vote for Clintoon.
<Here is proof :
<> John S. Novak, III <J...@cris.com> wrote:
<>
<> Let "John Smith" gibber all over Usenet, I say. More votes for Bubba.
<What you are implying is that you favor Bubba and will vote for him.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!
Nosy
<In article <507p9j$l...@natasha.rmii.com> b...@rmii.com (br) writes:
< kmf...@saba.kuentos.guam.net (Kelly Fitzpatrick) wrote:
<
< >Thank you for your minimalist and tasteful application of the Wire Brush
< >of Enlightenment, John.
Fitzpatrick is in Guam, a country in the Pacific, so like
how could she have voted for ANYONE in 1980, dude?
Kelly Fitzpatrick
Robert Crawford (craw...@cris.com) wrote:
: Then what's the fucking point behind them? Or do we need
: _more_ laws?
I would trust you, Mr. Crawford, to do your homework, figure out the perk,
and build a proper septic system if you bought the lot next door. It's an
unfortunate fact of modern life that you're one of the *few* I would trust
to do so.
Regulations on these kinda things are for intended for the control of
just the kind of people you love to loathe; developers who come in and
break up a ten-acre parcel into thirty "ranchettes". There's talk here of
relaxing zoning codes, and the R-2 property across from me may go R-1
(higher density). Yes, I *do* object to the idea of another
built-to-the-lowest-bid-spec septic in every 1/4 acre over there.
--
Kelly Fitzpatrick
Orc
In article <50cqd5$3...@news.iastate.edu>,
Natural Born Cereal Killer <z1...@exnet.iastate.edu> wrote:
> Then there's the fun and games of being annexed by a
>local city or town. That two grand you spent on a well? Lost.
>You *have* to use city water, and you *have* to pay a few
>thousand bucks for them to run the pipes to your home. Your
>septic system, which worked for years, is gone. You will
>use the new sewer system, and you will pay $3000 for the
>ability to do so. And you *will* allow these fire hydrants
>to be placed in your back yard, and you will mow around them,
>and you will ensure fire trucks can traverse your driveway,
>and you will place a culvert in that ditch so we can drive
>bulldozers over it if we need to...
Shoot, you should move to the city.
I've a couple of friends who have their very own well, in the middle of
Chicago suburbia, and there's nary a peep from the local government
about it. Nope, the only comment the city had was "if you get city
water, you have to cap your well", which makes perfect sense since your
neighbors won't be suing YOU if they get interesting single-celled
hitchhikers in their intestinal tracts from said well.
Perhaps it's a small-town thing, where all the Bold Individualists(tm)
refuse to pay attention to what the government is doing, thus leaving
all these spiffy government jobs available to the people who run
companies that provide plumbing, dig wells and pour cement foundations,
and who find it easier to change the rules than to actually compete.
A Free Marketplace(sm) might be a spiffy song and dance to impress
libertarians and the rest of the mentally challenged, but if you
want to rake in the big bucks you make sure that nobody else can play
and that your customers get to pay just to be your customers.
____
david parsons \bi/ o...@pell.chi.il.us
\/
Julian Macassey
In article <50cqd5$3...@news.iastate.edu> z1...@exnet.iastate.edu (Natural Born Cereal Killer) writes:
snippo
> I called a well-digger. $1000 for the well, $.08/ft to
>dig the hole. That's fairly reasonable, but then he has to add in
>another $200 to get the well "tested." Guess who tests it? Yup,
>some guy in City Hall.
They test the well to see if the water is good enough for you
to drink. I note that it is not private wells that cause
cryptosperidium outbreaks.
They haven't asked to test my well in Wisconsin yet. They must
have missed me.
>
> Septic tank. I have the tank, I have the lines, I have
>a tractor with loader to dig the hole with. I still need another
>$400 for inspections and certifications from City Hall.
>
Yes, you need the city to see that your septic tank on your
land is good enough. The fact that you live there and have a vested
interest in it worries them not. The fact that farmer Jones next door
has 300 cattle that generate thousands of gallons of sloppy cow shit
worries them not. The fact that the same farmer has a silage pit that
runs into a stream and causes as much pollution as the sewage works
for a town of 10,000 worries them not.
Farmners are sacred and the middle class are easy to boss
around - they are so law abiding.
> Then there's the fun and games of being annexed by a
>local city or town. That two grand you spent on a well? Lost.
>You *have* to use city water, and you *have* to pay a few
>thousand bucks for them to run the pipes to your home. Your
>septic system, which worked for years, is gone. You will
>use the new sewer system, and you will pay $3000 for the
>ability to do so.
They told me the seppo tank had to go and I had to use the new
and improved city sewer. Putting the sewer in cost a fortune. The
pipes are below the water table. The water table is lake Michigan.
Then I had to pay to hook up. What did that cost? well I had to fell
300 trees and pay a contractor $20,000.00 to dig in loose sand.
> Will I bitch if my taxes go down and government
>"services" are lost as well? Hell, I'll be up on the roof
>dancing a jig and singing "Hellelulia!" the day they decide
>to leave me the hell alone!
You don't want to ask me what my Wisconsin property taxes are.
As I always heckle polliticians as they tell the adoring
crowds "Eighty cents of every tax dollar comes back to the community"
CUT SPENDING!
--
Julian Macassey, N6ARE jul...@bongo.tele.com Voice: (415) 647.2217
Natural Born Cereal Killer
fi...@Mars.mcs.com (Deirdre Sholto-Douglas) writes:
>: I feel a peeve coming on, and I think Deidre provided a
>: good warm-up for it...
>Who?
You. You know, that woman with the easily-remembered
login of "finch" and that first name that looks more Norwegian
than pronouncable. Hint: my ancestors changed our name from Aarskog
to prevent just such a problem, though *we* were the ones
forgetting how to spell it, let alone how to say it.
>Should I send you a box of "r's", Dan? To insert as needed?
What, did you save them when you tossed out that Scottish
brogue and adopted a Chicago accent?
Dan "Waste not, want not" Sorenson
Natural Born Cereal Killer
fi...@Mars.mcs.com (Deirdre Sholto-Douglas) writes:
>: I called the electric company.
><snip>
>
>Last I looked, Dan, this was a private, for-profit type company.
>Despite delusions to the contrary, the electric company isn't
>the government.
It is no less a recipient of tax monies and, in fact,
is so close to a government service that it is guaranteed a
monopoly on power in return for a guaranteed profit. Doubters
should remember that my power is provided by a company that
has "R.E.C." in its letterhead.
>: I called a well-digger. $1000 for the well, $.08/ft to
>: dig the hole. That's fairly reasonable, but then he has to add in
>: another $200 to get the well "tested." Guess who tests it? Yup,
>: some guy in City Hall.
>
>The costs you refer to are the long-term result of the Save-Us-
>From-Ourself Mentality which has swept this country. Your well
>needs to be tested...hell, Dan, you and I both know they aren't
>checking for taste. Your well could run pure rust and taste
>like brimstone and they'd certify it 'Safe'. Why?
Indeed, why do I have to pay some schmuck from City Hall
to come out with a test tube, fill it from my sink, and then
send it off to Iowa State University, where it is tested by
work-study students majoring in journalism and an invoice for
$5 sent to the sender? Huh? I gotta take off a half-day of work
or better so I can wait for some guy to fill a test tube. It's
not that the tests aren't useful, it's that anybody with half
a firing neuron can do the job but we're *required* to pay some
doofus to hold a test tube and fill out a mailing address while
we lose a day's wages watching him.
>To insure that you don't contaminate the well of the guy downstream
>with E. Coli, mostly.
*guffaw!* Any decent septic system won't contaminate a
pond with 150' of reasonable leach field, and the percolation test
is the way such is tested. Guess what? The closest well is about
1/2 mile and 150' above me, and I can do the leach test myself.
No, they're inspecting to ensure my laterals are below the
frost line. Peevers, if your shitter were to back up in winter
because you let the plumbing freeze, would you or would you not
spend the extra nickle to dig it an extra foot deeper?
And yes, I am above an aquifer. I have no intentions of
digging a 600' deep septic tank just so I can contaminate the Oogalala.
>I suspect this one is directed predominately at fly-by-night
>businesses and scurrilous contractors. You, as an individual,
>just happened to get swept up in the larger net.
Which is the whole point! I don't particularly mind
regulations and standards, and in fact they provide a good benchmark
to achieve. What I mind is that some beaurocratic twit can take
my home, my land, and my savings because either I or a contractor
doesn't dot an I or cross a T. Meanwhile, the house I grew up in has
a 2" pipe to the creek for a septic system, and that's perfectly
legal since it was built before people discovered the law that
made it wrong. The family of 6 living there today is still making
use of that century-old pipe to the creek. April and I, on the
other hand, will kill all of humanity if some guy doesn't come
around and note that my septic field is 1/4 mile from the nearest
property line and in a rather nice area for drainage.
>Would you like to see a smoke belcher go up next to your 50
>acres because no one bothered to check to see that the zoning
>requirements were upheld?
Why not? I spent good money to live out here and smell
pig shit and cow farts, after all. Part of the reason for
leaving the city was so my neighbors couldn't force me to comply
with their ideas of rural life, hence I've no truck with others
who smell or pollute. So long as it's on his side of the
fence, whatever he does is cool with me.
>: Surveyors. Yes, surveyors are needed because if you merely
>Pretty pricy, I must admit. Have you accepted bids for the job or
>is there only one game in town?
That's from bids. They charge more when they can't see
each other beyond 100 yards or so when surveying.
> And is your plat survey so old
>that it's invalid? (Or did you buy a parcel off a larger piece?)
My plat survey is the oldest in the area, and in fact
the more recent parcels were doled out without the benefit
of surveying to ensure that boundary lines were created. The
bad side is that the neighboring plots were not surveyed, and
I have this from the surveyor that supposedly marked it off.
Since one neighbor is selling part of my land with hers, I
felt it appropriate to ensure a surveyor made certain everybody
knows where the lines begin and end.
><ahem> That other department wouldn't happen to be the DNR, now
>would it?
Could be. Name *one* endangered species in Iowa that
would be wiped out if I put a home on my little 50 acre plot.
Now don't get me wrong -- I have 9 acres that are kept for the
express benefit of critters, a little grassland that exists
solely to provide habitat for birds and related fauna. I do
this because I like to see the beasts and occassionally eat
them. But the rules and regulations are such that I can't
have a pile of iron near the shop without violating the law,
never mind the thousands of square feet the critters have
set aside for their own use. Frankly, any critter endangerd
by that old Schwill bicycle frame and a half-dozen fence posts
next to the shop deserves to be purged from the gene pool.
>: close to 30% of the costs on this place are due to fees,
>
>Ah, but you hit it right there, Dan. These aren't taxes, these
>are *fees*.
I maintain that a mandatory fee collected under threat
of imprisonment is a tax. The only difference is the deduction.
><raised eyebrows> My place out in the back of beyond was annexed
>but even the town doing the annexing wasn't crazy enough to
>suggest running city water and sewer out. If you get nailed
>with these costs, then you're fairly close to town to start.
About ten miles, actually, but I've new developments
next to me. They're enough to make the city think about
sewer and water service, but not enough to make cable TV available.
>This is coming from a man who takes advantage of a government
>program to lower his property taxes by having a portion of his
>property declared a 'preserve.' You can't have it both ways.
I don't. It's a "preserve" because I guarantee that there
will be at least 500 trees/acre on the place, I won't sell any wood,
and my tax relief consists of the money those woods would have
made had I razed them and planted corn. So what would you prefer,
corn or cottonwood? Instead of paying taxes on the "earning
potential" of my land, I now pay for what profit I made from it,
which is exactly zero. Luckily, the government does not tax
the satisfaction one obtains from a hobby. Yet...
>If you don't want to pay the fees at City Hall, then by rights,
>you should give up the benefits of tax relief.
By rights I should get some benefit from those fees,
though. When I was growing up I farmed some 2000 acres with my
family. Would you care to add our "yard waste removal" bill to
your tax burden, or will you conceed that the two uses are
quite different?
>Your property taxes are obscenely low compared to mine, although
>once you 'improve' the property, they'll probably go up.
My property taxes are low because my property values are
low. Some people spend $10K for a simple 200'x100' lot in the
city. Where I live, that's worth five acres. It catches up
with us when we sell the property and my land value is tied
to the price of corn instead of buyer demand.
I suspect Andy Banta has a non-Midwestern viewpoint
that might add a sobering reality check to this whole thing.
Andy? Care to share the peeves of moving?
Jon McCulloch
In article <ayseDx4...@netcom.com>,
ay...@netcom.com (Ayse Sercan) wrote:
>Believe me, you can get mighty sick from a
>poorly-constructed septic tank.
Not if you cook it properly, you can't.
Jon
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Paul F Austin
In article <ATAYLOR.96...@gauss.nmsu.edu> ata...@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
>From: ata...@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
>Subject: Re: Just say NO to Clinton as Federal Nanny
>Date: 3 Sep 96 10:44:44
So, like dude, Guam is a US territory. The inhabitants are US citizens, like.
Thought you'd like to know, you know?
>
In politics, sincerity is everything.
If you learn to fake that, you've got it made.
-------------------------------------
Paul Austin
PAU...@HARRIS.COM
Glenn Toews
: low. Some people spend $10K for a simple 200'x100' lot in the
: city. Where I live, that's worth five acres.
Yeesh, a 200'x100' city lot for 10 grand here will get you a lot
squeezed between a high voltage power substation, an eight lane
interstate, and a tar-based roofing company. You really are
from the country.
GT
Deirdre Sholto-Douglas
Glenn Toews (gt0...@medtronic.COM) wrote:
: Natural Born Cereal Killer (z1...@exnet.iastate.edu) wrote:
: : My property taxes are low because my property values are
: : low. Some people spend $10K for a simple 200'x100' lot in the
: : city. Where I live, that's worth five acres.
: Yeesh, a 200'x100' city lot for 10 grand here will get you a lot
: squeezed between a high voltage power substation, an eight lane
: interstate, and a tar-based roofing company. You really are
: from the country.
I'll take the higher taxes/property values. Especially considering
that eight years back I managed to wring 87K out of a paltry two
acres out *beyond* the hinterlands.
Peeve: If I still owned that parcel, it would be worth twice that
today...despite being cheek to jowl with the high tension
lines.
'Round here, ten grand would buy a garden shed...with a dirt floor.
Stef Jones
John Smith <j...@csn.net> wrote:
>The Dole campaign has proposed a 15 percent across-the-board tax cut.
>The Clinton campaign has proposed targeted tax credits
>and deductions. So, both candidates have come out in favor of lower
>taxes, right? What's the difference? Well, one is a good start
>and the other is an insult to your intelligence.
I think they're both an insult to my intelligence.
Peeve: People who confuse an election year turd with a genuine proposal.
--
Stef ** rational/scientific/philosophical/mystical/magical/kitty **
** st...@bayarea.net ** http://www.bayarea.net/~stef **
--------------------------------------------------------
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invisible to the eye. -- Saint-Exupery
242 lbs before cooking
>that might add a sobering reality check to this whole thing.
>Andy? Care to share the peeves of moving?
They're plentiful, to be sure. You have to keep in mind that this is
Nevada, though. The government is not your "friend" here, and there
isn't the blanket assumption you plan to cultivate your arid real
estate. That isn't to say you can't if you so desire. Under the
somewhat lax zoning laws that do exist, I'm not allowed to run a "land
use" business on my property, such as a golf course, junkyard or
cemetary (those are the actual examples the zoning laws give).
Agriculture is permitted, though, and agriculture and "mineral
exploration" are specifically exempt from any possible noise
regulations that would exist, otherwise.
There were existing well and septic system when I bought the place,
and inspection of the septic system was voluntary during a transfer.
I had it done. The inspection fee was about $25 on top of whatever
the pumping fee was, and that money went into the pocket of a private
business, not the county coffers.
I would have had the well tested on my own, but as it turns out
Rocketdyne, a subsidiary of Rockwell International, tests my well
water once a quarter, anyway. Something about some careless chemical
use in the mid sixties when they were testing Saturn V and Saturn 1B
engines in the back yard. Other than a little excess iron in the
water, it's always come up clean. Done a Rocketdyne's expense, no
public funds involved.
We did have to deal with the $60 worth of code inspection when we
installed propane heat. Since we have our own propane tank, the
underground pipe bed could be normal old sand, rather than the
specially dyed Sierra Pacific Power sand natural gas lines have to
bed in.
We get dinged a whopping 1% property tax annually. On top of that, we
have to cough up $300 to the quasi-governmental General Improvement
District which maintains our private roads.
My favorite and most timely story of county hall idiocy deals with my
newest neighbor, though:
The main road runs along one side of my property. A minor side road
perpendicular to the main road runs along another property line.
Someone bought and started building on the land "behind" mine, that is,
on the side opposite the main road. Instead of using the side road
which already borders his property, though, he started driving across
our sagebbrush to get to his land. The reason?
The fucking county. Apparently our property is at the edge of a
section map. When Mr. New Neighbor talked to the county about access
to his land, they pulled out a map. Since the side road at the edge
of the property is actually on the next map over, the county told him
to use an old easment across what amounts to my front yard to get to
his house. So he does. Since the easment is now "in use," we can't
file to have it terminated. Lovely.
andy
ba...@abingdon.sun.com
--
Somehow, I have a problem taking a hurricane named "Bob" seriously ...
-- Akkana Peck
Stef Jones
Ayse Sercan <ay...@netcom.com> wrote:
>At one time, people could be counted upon to do the right thing just
>because it was the right thing.
When was this? In the bedtime stories your caretakers read you when you
were a little one?
--
Stef ** rational/scientific/philosophical/mystical/magical/kitty **
** st...@bayarea.net ** http://www.bayarea.net/~stef **
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"To be holy -- what is it like?" Joshu replied, "To dump a mountain of
shit on a clean plain." -- Disk Sutphen
Paul Gensheimer
In <paustin.12...@harris.com> pau...@harris.com (Paul F Austin)
writes:
>So, like dude, Guam is a US territory. The inhabitants are US citizens, like.
>Thought you'd like to know, you know?
So, like dude, how can you type with that hook dangling from your
mouth, you know?
paulg
-----
"Save your pity for yourself, Paul. When I'm through you'll need it."
thed...@clark.net threatens to teach me a lesson on alt.peeves
Glen Quarnstrom
pau...@harris.com (Paul F Austin) wrote:
>In article <ATAYLOR.96...@gauss.nmsu.edu> ata...@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
>><In article <507p9j$l...@natasha.rmii.com> b...@rmii.com (br) writes:
>>< kmf...@saba.kuentos.guam.net (Kelly Fitzpatrick) wrote:
>><
>>< >Thank you for your minimalist and tasteful application of the Wire Brush
>>< >of Enlightenment, John.
>>
>>< You probably voted for Carter in 1980 against Reagan.
>> Fitzpatrick is in Guam, a country in the Pacific, so like
>> how could she have voted for ANYONE in 1980, dude?
>So, like dude, Guam is a US territory. The inhabitants are US citizens, like.
>Thought you'd like to know, you know?
Peeve: Trying to figure out who's the troller and who's the trollee
here.
?Peeve: Waiting for somebody to point out a hook in my jaw.
--
gl...@cyberhighway.net
A device which is exploding.
Roger Lee <r...@netcom.com> wrote:
>A device which is exploding. <f...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>And as far as fundamental rights, the Republicans got that one all sewn up:
>>given the Jeezusmongers had written most of the platform it sure looks like
>>the only thing safeguarded was the right to be the fundie of your choice.
>
>Of course I challenge you to find ANY politician of any stripe or position in
>the last 200 years of American political history that stood by any platform
>they professed.
Funny you should mention that.
"In 1992, candidate Clinton outlined his vision and objectives
in a book called 'Putting People First'. All told, he made about
175 specific campaign promises, large and small, and kept about
two thirds of them." -- Newsweek, September 2, pp39-40.
Granted, he didn't keep some of the more liberal ones, but I doubt
whether Novak would be complaining about those. What concerns me
is the prospect of Dole keeping the same proportion of his platform.
Francois, two months and counting.
Kelly Fitzpatrick
Okay, an educational note is obviously in order here.
A: Guam is a small (35 x 12 miles) island in the Western Pacific.
B: It is indeed a US Unincorporated Territory, *not* a country.
C: As such, its residents are unable to vote in Federal Elections
(unless, of course, they are *temporary* residents, maintaining a home of
record in the States. This applies, for instance, to most military and
federal employees).
D: They are (and I am) US citizens, nonetheless.
E: We use US Dollars and live in real houses with electricity and running
water.
F: No, I didn't vote for Reagan, *or* Bush, *or* Carter, or even Bubba.
Don't feel like I've missed out on a thing, ackshully...
--
Kelly (Glad to help) Fitzpatrick
Jon McCulloch
In article <50n27j$e...@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>,
ba...@abingdon.eng.sun.com (242 lbs before cooking)
>Instead of using the side road which already borders his
>property, though, he started driving across
>our sagebbrush to get to his land...
>[he was told] to use an old easment across what amounts to
>my front yard to get to his house. So he does. Since the
>easment is now "in use," we can't file to have it
>terminated. Lovely.
Arf arf. You have no idea how much this amuses me:
the bombastic and lying banta jumping up and down in
impotent fury as the neighbours tear up his front yard.
Mind you don't have a coronary, won't you, sweetie.
242 lbs before cooking
In article <50pp9u$vq_...@axion.bt.co.uk>,
Jon McCulloch <sen...@anglianet.co.uk> wrote:
>Arf arf. You have no idea how much this amuses me:
>the bombastic and lying banta jumping up and down in
>impotent fury as the neighbours tear up his front yard.
It isn't quite that bad. I still sleep quite well at night.
Especially after lounging in the hottub for a while, staring at
a nighttime sky not yet obscured by light pollution.
Cheer up, Jon. Life can't piss in your porridge every day.
exuptr
No Parking EXCEPT FOR BOB wrote:
> Hmmmm.
> Usually, "r's" would describe _where_ to insert, rather than what.
cute.
stick it in your r's.
--
sunbird (exuptr)
http://www.dfw.net/~sunbird
Nosy
<In article <paustin.12...@harris.com> pau...@harris.com (Paul F Austin) writes:
< In article <ATAYLOR.96...@gauss.nmsu.edu> ata...@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
< >Subject: Re: Just say NO to Clinton as Federal Nanny
< >Date: 3 Sep 96 10:44:44
< ><In article <507p9j$l...@natasha.rmii.com> b...@rmii.com (br) writes:
< >< kmf...@saba.kuentos.guam.net (Kelly Fitzpatrick) wrote:
< ><
< >< >Thank you for your minimalist and tasteful application of the Wire Brush
< >< >of Enlightenment, John.
< >
< >< You probably voted for Carter in 1980 against Reagan.
< > Fitzpatrick is in Guam, a country in the Pacific, so like
< > how could she have voted for ANYONE in 1980, dude?
<So, like dude, Guam is a US territory. The inhabitants are US citizens, like.
<Thought you'd like to know, you know?
Please remove the hook from yer mouth, in order that I may
re-bait it and return it to the water.
ObPeeve: damned suckers. They've really infested the lake. It's gettin'
so ya can't troll for trout anymore.
exuptr
br wrote:
> J...@cris.com (John S. Novak, III) wrote:
> > Let "John Smith" gibber all over Usenet, I say. More votes for Bubba.
> What you are implying is that you favor Bubba and will vote for him.
that wasn't him, that was "a device which was..."
peeve #1: net.idiots who can't read attributions
peeve #2: people who say they want to get to know you better but
don't answer your mail.
doggiestyle
In article <32307C...@exu.ericsson.com> exuptr <exu...@exu.ericsson.com> writes:
>cute.
>stick it in your r's.
Use your shift key, you ignorant fuckball.
Thanks,
Vinnie
"Profanity is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers."
* kcu...@emory.edu *
exuptr
A device which is exploding. wrote:
> Granted, he didn't keep some of the more liberal ones, but I doubt
> whether Novak would be complaining about those. What concerns me
> is the prospect of Dole keeping the same proportion of his platform.
> Francois, two months and counting.
my guess is that you wouldn't want dole to keep all his.
exuptr
doggiestyle wrote:
> Use your shift key, you ignorant fuckball.
YoU mEaN LiKe ThiS?
get a life, "doggiestyle", which requires a hyphen.
Glen Quarnstrom
kmf...@saba.kuentos.guam.net (Kelly Fitzpatrick) wrote:
>A: Guam is a small (35 x 12 miles) island in the Western Pacific.
>C: As such, its residents are unable to vote in Federal Elections
>D: They are (and I am) US citizens, nonetheless.
So, Kelly, do you get to pay taxes?
If so, are you considering a Tea Party?
>F: No, I didn't vote for Reagan, *or* Bush, *or* Carter, or even Bubba.
>Don't feel like I've missed out on a thing, ackshully...
Voting is your license to bitch^H^H^H^H^H peeve about the government.
Glen Quarnstrom
exuptr <exu...@exu.ericsson.com> wrote:
>doggiestyle wrote:
>> Use your shift key, you ignorant fuckball.
>YoU mEaN LiKe ThiS?
>get a life, "doggiestyle", which requires a hyphen.
Oh, look, Vinnie! Another dipshit who's proud to be an illiterate.
I think Bubba was being optimistic in thinking he could get schools to
teach kids to read by the third grade.
Or maybe this specimen is only in second grade, y'suppose?
Brian Trosko
Glen Quarnstrom <gl...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
: Voting is your license to bitch^H^H^H^H^H peeve about the government.
I've always wondered about that.
If you're one of the people who voted the bastards into office, where's
your right to bitch come from?
Me? I didn't vote for Clinton, so I'll bitch all I want.
Brian "They're *all* bastards" Trosko
Kelly Fitzpatrick
Distribution:
Glen Quarnstrom (gl...@cyberhighway.net) wrote:
: So, Kelly, do you get to pay taxes?
We pay on the Federal model, but all the bucks stay here. So does any
federal tax money paid by GIs and federal employees. And some of these
yahoos want to change our political status. Go figure.
: If so, are you considering a Tea Party?
Why not?. You bring the tea.
: Voting is your license to bitch^H^H^H^H^H peeve about the government.
Given our government, I don't feel like we *need* no steenking license.
--
Kelly Fitzpatrick
Glen Quarnstrom
Brian Trosko <btr...@primenet.com> wrote:
>Glen Quarnstrom <gl...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
>: Voting is your license to bitch^H^H^H^H^H peeve about the government.
>I've always wondered about that.
>If you're one of the people who voted the bastards into office, where's
>your right to bitch come from?
It's really quite simple, Brian.
_Not voting_ is your license to bitch about those assholes who voted
the current bastards into office.
HTH.
--
gl...@cyberhighway.net
Glen Quarnstrom
kmf...@saba.kuentos.guam.net (Kelly Fitzpatrick) wrote:
>Glen Quarnstrom (gl...@cyberhighway.net) wrote:
>: So, Kelly, do you get to pay taxes?
>We pay on the Federal model, but all the bucks stay here. So does any
>federal tax money paid by GIs and federal employees. And some of these
>yahoos want to change our political status. Go figure.
Sounds like the way it was in Alaska when I grew up. It was a
territory, so we didn't get to vote. There was a big push for
Statehood, and eventually they got it.
Now, ironically, I hear there's a lot of folks there who want to
secede. As you say, go figure. Some folks would bitch if they were
hung with a new rope.
(Yes, Geoff, I know that should be "hanged." But the guys who
invented the jape didn't care about the grammar.)
>: If so, are you considering a Tea Party?
>Why not?. You bring the tea.
OK. I may be a bit late, however, so feel free to start without me.
>: Voting is your license to bitch^H^H^H^H^H peeve about the government.
>Given our government, I don't feel like we *need* no steenking license.
That First Amendment is a neat thing, isn't it?
--
gl...@cyberhighway.net
Geoff Miller
gl...@cyberhighway.net (Glen Quarnstrom) writes:
> Yes, Geoff, I know that should be "hanged."
I say "hung" myself. That makes it okay, by definition.
While I won't deny that "hanged" is correct, it's one of
those terms 'n' expressions that's always pissed me off
because it sounds phony and hoity-toity. "_An_ historian"
is another one, as is "kiln" when spoken without pronouncing
the "n" at the end.
Geoff "don't get me started on '[K,C]eltic'" Miller
--
Why be politically correct when you can be right?
Jon McCulloch
In article <323198...@exu.ericsson.com>,
exuptr <exu...@exu.ericsson.com> wrote:
>> Use your shift key, you ignorant fuckball.
>YoU mEaN LiKe ThiS?
>get a life, "doggiestyle", which requires a hyphen.
?Peeve: the reflex wince that squeezes up my face when I
read this and anticipate Vinnie's reply.
Pickled Punk
In article <50sto5$c...@host-3.cyberhighway.net> gl...@cyberhighway.net (Glen Quarnstrom) writes:
>exuptr <exu...@exu.ericsson.com> wrote:
>>> Use your shift key, you ignorant fuckball.
>>YoU mEaN LiKe ThiS?
>>get a life, "doggiestyle", which requires a hyphen.
Writing tips from the likes of you have the value of rotting food.
>Oh, look, Vinnie! Another dipshit who's proud to be an illiterate.
No shortage of them out there. The simple act of operating a keyboard
properly is obviously beyond 'sunturd's ability. And the Peeve
here is that it will use the 'personal style' defense, like all the
other ones do. To make matters worse, it posted 5 posts in a row, a
sign that it intends to be a bother. Like all the other ones do.
Peeve: Mondays.
VJ
"I'd give my right arm to be like Bob Dole." *Anonymous*
Glen Quarnstrom
geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>gl...@cyberhighway.net (Glen Quarnstrom) writes:
>> Yes, Geoff, I know that should be "hanged."
>I say "hung" myself. That makes it okay, by definition.
It's unseemly to boast in public about one's endowment, Geoff.
>While I won't deny that "hanged" is correct, it's one of
>those terms 'n' expressions that's always pissed me off
>because it sounds phony and hoity-toity. "_An_ historian"
>is another one, as is "kiln" when spoken without pronouncing
>the "n" at the end.
Have you noticed the increasing use of "noone" in UseNet writing? No,
this isn't a typo of "nooner," it's a bastardization of "no one." I
even caught my son, the smartass, using this the other day in another
newsgroup.
It's bad enough that we have to put up with "alot" and "loose" (for
"lose") around these parts without being subjected to this latest
abortion. Gaaak!
--
gl...@cyberhighway.net
No Parking EXCEPT FOR BOB
Glen Quarnstrom <gl...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
>geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>>gl...@cyberhighway.net (Glen Quarnstrom) writes:
>
>>> Yes, Geoff, I know that should be "hanged."
>
>>I say "hung" myself. That makes it okay, by definition.
>
>It's unseemly to boast in public about one's endowment, Geoff.
>Have you noticed the increasing use of "noone" in UseNet writing? No,
>this isn't a typo of "nooner," it's a bastardization of "no one." I
>even caught my son, the smartass, using this the other day in another
>newsgroup.
The one that's pissing me off lately, *IN*cluding here in peeves,
is the suffix "-full" as in "wonderfull"
Bob O`Bob
--
No Parking EXCEPT FOR BOB
>
>> Use your shift key, you ignorant fuckball.
>
>YoU mEaN LiKe ThiS?
>
>get a life, "doggiestyle", which requires a hyphen.
When he gets 'round to you, your colon will be more relevant.
Bob O`Bob
--
Doug Quarnstrom
Glen Quarnstrom (gl...@cyberhighway.net) wrote:
: Have you noticed the increasing use of "noone" in UseNet writing? No,
: this isn't a typo of "nooner," it's a bastardization of "no one." I
: even caught my son, the smartass, using this the other day in another
: newsgroup.
I believe we already established that I cannot write my way out
of a paper bag. Noone should assume otherwise...
doug
Mike Weber
In a previous article, f...@netcom.com (A device which is exploding.) says:
>"In 1992, candidate Clinton outlined his vision and objectives
> in a book called 'Putting People First'. All told, he made about
> 175 specific campaign promises, large and small, and kept about
> two thirds of them." -- Newsweek, September 2, pp39-40.
Mind you, Francois, those were the ones he _intended_ to keep.
--
"This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. This is only a test.
Had this been an actual emergency, you'd be writhing on the ground in
unspeakable agony, bleeding from every orifice, with your blackened skin
falling away in ragged strips."
A device which is exploding.
Mike Weber <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>In a previous article, f...@netcom.com (A device which is exploding.) says:
>
>> 175 specific campaign promises, large and small, and kept about
>> two thirds of them." -- Newsweek, September 2, pp39-40.
>
>Mind you, Francois, those were the ones he _intended_ to keep.
True enough. Mind you, I have a problem with Dole keeping his promises to
simultaneously reduce taxes and keep funding projects around the country,
notwithstanding whatever he told Ralph Reed et alia behind the scenes.
In a way, I feel sorry for Dole : he had the right idea on the deficit
for a damn long time, and he threw away 30 years of integrity during
a weekend. Now he has to live with the knowledge he whored himself for
a promise which people are reading as his insincerity on the economy.
Francois.
Julian Macassey
In article <323198...@exu.ericsson.com> exuptr <exu...@exu.ericsson.com> writes:
>
>get a life, "doggiestyle", which requires a hyphen.
Why is it that the people at Ericsson AB are nice guys and
everyone I have ever dealt with at Ericsson Inc is a poseur and a
wankstain?
Yes, I was "fired" from Ericsson Inc for making a "derogatory
comment about hispanics". No, I was not allowed to present my case.
What was the comment? Glad yous asked. I entered a school
filled with shouting and screaming parents. My comment was: "God this
place looks like a refugee clearing center."
Only hispanics are refugees? I bet you didn't know that.
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Julian Macassey
In article <50n27j$e...@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> ba...@abingdon.eng.sun.com (242 lbs before cooking) writes:
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>The fucking county. Apparently our property is at the edge of a
>section map. When Mr. New Neighbor talked to the county about access
>to his land, they pulled out a map. Since the side road at the edge
>of the property is actually on the next map over, the county told him
>to use an old easment across what amounts to my front yard to get to
>his house. So he does. Since the easment is now "in use," we can't
>file to have it terminated. Lovely.
Ah! Rights of Way. Something my old man would expound on as he
worked his way through a bottle of J&B Rare.
These laws go back to the frigging bible. Interestingly in
England, all the Rights of Way that are footpaths seem to be between
churches and pubs.
Anyhow, You can't restrict his access. You can not make it
longer, but can make it shorter.
You can plow it up, leave caltrops (crows feet), broken
bottles around.
HTH