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Rick C. Hodgin
Jul 13, 2017, 7:47:37 AM7/13/17
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The Bible records people will be summoned by name. Earth and Heaven
are fleeing from the Throne of God, and you are being drawn to His
Throne for judgment. It's actually called "The Great White Throne
Judgment."
There, the books of your life are opened.
What's in those books?
That stuff from your past?
Your youth?
The early sin you did in your wild days?
Yes. It's all there. Plus, things you didn't even realize was
sin. And it's all recorded in perfect detail, as if someone with
a great 3D holographic camcorder was following you around for your
entire life recording everything you've ever done ... in public,
in private, in secret, when you were alone, when nobody else saw
what you did. That 3D holographic camcorder did, and every last
detail is written down in the books of Heaven.
You're going to be summoned into a type of room you don't want to
be in. You're going to come face to face with things you don't
want to come face to face with. You're going to hear the list of
things you're guilty of read before all of creation, and you will
weep at how heinous you've been in the sight of a Holy, Holy, Holy
God. And you will be found guilty and sentenced to the only
sentence suitable for you, an eternal being made in the very image
and likeness of God, literally a god (lower-case "G") as is taught
us in the Bible. The only punishment suitable for a god is that
which God Almighty has created ... Hell.
Hell is a place of burning fire. It's a place of unending torment.
The Bible records there will be no presence of God there, and the
worm will not die, neither will there be any water to quench the
raging heat. Only flames and agony and torment and a binding of
such powerful degree that it will consume you completely, and you
will never have any ability to experience anything ever again,
save the raging pain.
------
This fate awaits all who do not come to Jesus and have their sin
forgiven. Jesus came to offer you a choice. He came to offer
you the ability to forego all of that, and to come to Him and
simply say, "Jesus, I am a sinner. I have sinned. I need to be
forgiven. I do not want to go to Hell," and He will forgive you.
God does not want to judge anybody. He's made a way out through
His Son for everybody. But those who will not listen to His call,
who will not come and ask forgiveness, repenting of their wrong-
doing in His sight, what I described above remains charged to
their soul's account, and that soul will have to pay the bill for
the sin, rather than Jesus paying the bill for the sin.
-----
It's your choice. Jesus gives you the way out. He gives you a
full pardon just for the asking. He saves you from burning alive
forever in utter torment for free, just or coming to Him and
stating the obvious: that you are a sinner, and that you need
to be forgiven.
Can you do that? Can you save your eternal soul? Or do you want
to jump headlong into those flames and burn and burn and burn and
burn and burn and burn and burn forever?
Who would choose the fiery flames end of their life? What kind
of man would say, "No" to Heaven and paradise in God's own Holy
glowing presence, and, "Yes" to Hell and its unending fire and
pain?
Only those who are pursuing falseness will choose Hell, because
they are moving falsely, all the while thinking they are moving
rightly, all because of sin's corruption on our ability to reason
correctly here in this flesh. We need the spirit to know the
truth, and only Jesus can set us on the right path to know the
truth, and only God the Father can know we desire to know the
truth and then alter us sufficiently to be able to even find it
in our fallen, corrupt-in-sin state.
-----
With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts. They are
the only path you are given to life eternal in peace, love, and
unending joy. And the path you're on today ends in a lake of
fiery torment that never ebbs, never dries out, never calms down.
It rages in fullest flame forever.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
are fleeing from the Throne of God, and you are being drawn to His
Throne for judgment. It's actually called "The Great White Throne
Judgment."
There, the books of your life are opened.
What's in those books?
That stuff from your past?
Your youth?
The early sin you did in your wild days?
Yes. It's all there. Plus, things you didn't even realize was
sin. And it's all recorded in perfect detail, as if someone with
a great 3D holographic camcorder was following you around for your
entire life recording everything you've ever done ... in public,
in private, in secret, when you were alone, when nobody else saw
what you did. That 3D holographic camcorder did, and every last
detail is written down in the books of Heaven.
You're going to be summoned into a type of room you don't want to
be in. You're going to come face to face with things you don't
want to come face to face with. You're going to hear the list of
things you're guilty of read before all of creation, and you will
weep at how heinous you've been in the sight of a Holy, Holy, Holy
God. And you will be found guilty and sentenced to the only
sentence suitable for you, an eternal being made in the very image
and likeness of God, literally a god (lower-case "G") as is taught
us in the Bible. The only punishment suitable for a god is that
which God Almighty has created ... Hell.
Hell is a place of burning fire. It's a place of unending torment.
The Bible records there will be no presence of God there, and the
worm will not die, neither will there be any water to quench the
raging heat. Only flames and agony and torment and a binding of
such powerful degree that it will consume you completely, and you
will never have any ability to experience anything ever again,
save the raging pain.
------
This fate awaits all who do not come to Jesus and have their sin
forgiven. Jesus came to offer you a choice. He came to offer
you the ability to forego all of that, and to come to Him and
simply say, "Jesus, I am a sinner. I have sinned. I need to be
forgiven. I do not want to go to Hell," and He will forgive you.
God does not want to judge anybody. He's made a way out through
His Son for everybody. But those who will not listen to His call,
who will not come and ask forgiveness, repenting of their wrong-
doing in His sight, what I described above remains charged to
their soul's account, and that soul will have to pay the bill for
the sin, rather than Jesus paying the bill for the sin.
-----
It's your choice. Jesus gives you the way out. He gives you a
full pardon just for the asking. He saves you from burning alive
forever in utter torment for free, just or coming to Him and
stating the obvious: that you are a sinner, and that you need
to be forgiven.
Can you do that? Can you save your eternal soul? Or do you want
to jump headlong into those flames and burn and burn and burn and
burn and burn and burn and burn forever?
Who would choose the fiery flames end of their life? What kind
of man would say, "No" to Heaven and paradise in God's own Holy
glowing presence, and, "Yes" to Hell and its unending fire and
pain?
Only those who are pursuing falseness will choose Hell, because
they are moving falsely, all the while thinking they are moving
rightly, all because of sin's corruption on our ability to reason
correctly here in this flesh. We need the spirit to know the
truth, and only Jesus can set us on the right path to know the
truth, and only God the Father can know we desire to know the
truth and then alter us sufficiently to be able to even find it
in our fallen, corrupt-in-sin state.
-----
With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts. They are
the only path you are given to life eternal in peace, love, and
unending joy. And the path you're on today ends in a lake of
fiery torment that never ebbs, never dries out, never calms down.
It rages in fullest flame forever.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Kerr Mudd-John
Jul 13, 2017, 8:46:48 AM7/13/17
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:47:35 +0100, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Bible
[snip]
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>
Thank you.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug
> The Bible
[snip]
>
> -----
> With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts.
This is os development, not religion.proselyting
> -----
> With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts.
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug
Rick C. Hodgin
Jul 13, 2017, 8:53:49 AM7/13/17
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On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 8:46:48 AM UTC-4, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:47:35 +0100, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Bible
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:47:35 +0100, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Bible
> > With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts.
>
> This is os development, not religion.proselyting
Agreed. This message is given for those who aren't regularly
>
> This is os development, not religion.proselyting
hearing the message. Who are spending times in forums apart
from hearing about their sin, the punishment of their sin,
and the opportunity Jesus gives them to escape that punishment
and instead be forgiven without judgment.
This message is for unsaved sinners who desire to be saved.
It is not for other people.
Kerr Mudd-John
Jul 13, 2017, 1:36:20 PM7/13/17
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 13:53:46 +0100, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 8:46:48 AM UTC-4, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:47:35 +0100, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The Bible
>> > With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts.
>>
>> This is os development, not religion.proselyting
>
> Agreed. This message is given for those who aren't regularly
> hearing the message. Who are spending times in forums apart
we've heard it enough times from you here.
> On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 8:46:48 AM UTC-4, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:47:35 +0100, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The Bible
>> > With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts.
>>
>> This is os development, not religion.proselyting
>
> Agreed. This message is given for those who aren't regularly
> hearing the message. Who are spending times in forums apart
Save it for those wanting to listen; it's not wanted here.
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>
Rick C. Hodgin
Jul 13, 2017, 2:42:31 PM7/13/17
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A preacher preaching on what Hell will be like. The Bible describes
it. It's a place you don't want to go, a place of torment and pain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EdmRny6dsw
Nobody has to go there. Seek your way out today.
it. It's a place you don't want to go, a place of torment and pain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EdmRny6dsw
Nobody has to go there. Seek your way out today.
Rod Pemberton
Jul 14, 2017, 1:14:36 AM7/14/17
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 04:47:35 -0700 (PDT)
Rick, I hope that someday you begin to actually _think_ about the
"truth" which you're attempting to spread to others. Since I think
that you're not giving much thought to what you're saying, I'm going to
bounce a whole bunch of whacky responses up against your noggin.
> The Bible records people will be summoned by name.
Are you saying there are no nameless people? What about children who
died in the womb? They died before they had a name given. What are
they named? blank#1, blank#2, ...
> Earth and Heaven are fleeing from the Throne of God,
If we can't even see it, how do we know that we're fleeing it? Maybe,
we're actually about to run into it. If we could see it, then maybe we
could turn around, if we're actually headed in the wrong direction.
This is God's fault for making Heaven invisible. Oh, wait, we're in
orbit, so we should just simply pass by it again next year.
> There, the books of your life are opened.
I surely didn't write them. If someone else did, they're bound to be
false, and illegally produced, i.e., without my permission. I have
rights. They can't do that.
> What's in those books?
> That stuff from your past?
> Your youth?
> The early sin you did in your wild days?
Nothing of the sort. I'm a good person.
> Yes. It's all there.
So? If I'm a good person, why does it matter what's in them? It only
matters to bad people, because they fear punishment for their wrongs.
> Plus, things you didn't even realize was sin.
Are you saying God is going to punish us for stuff he failed to inform
us was wrong? What an asshole. He deserves to be punished for that.
> And it's all recorded in perfect detail, as if someone with
> a great 3D holographic camcorder was following you around for your
> entire life recording everything you've ever done ... in public,
> in private, in secret, when you were alone, when nobody else saw
> what you did. That 3D holographic camcorder did, and every last
> detail is written down in the books of Heaven.
The "pervert" who did this should be condemned to Hell for violation of
my personal privacy. I have rights. God or his minions have no right
to violate those rights. It's purely evil for them to use their powers
to do so.
> You're going to be summoned into a type of room you don't want to
> be in.
Exactly how is that going to happen?
> You're going to come face to face with things you don't
> want to come face to face with.
Like what? I've done nothing wrong and I fear nothing.
> You're going to hear the list of things you're guilty of read before
> all of creation,
So, nothing. Thanks for letting me know that my time is being wasted
by both God and you.
> and you will weep at how heinous you've been in the sight of a Holy,
> Holy, Holy God.
Now, why would I do that? Supposedly, no man can even look upon the
face of God ... If I'm not weeping from looking at his face, there is
no reason for me to be weeping in his presence, well, unless he has
sauerkraut farts. Then, I'd weep in his presence without seeing his
face.
> And you will be found guilty and sentenced to the only sentence
> suitable for you, an eternal being made in the very image and
> likeness of God, literally a god (lower-case "G") as is taught us in
> the Bible. The only punishment suitable for a god is that which God
> Almighty has created ... Hell.
So, God with a capital 'G' is going to punish numerous innocent people
by finding them guilty by default and then send them to Hell for it?
That doesn't sound like a very benevolent God to me. Why would anyone
worship such an asshole? Has he no sense of fairness? How is he going
to populate Heaven with good people if he keeps sending everyone to
Hell? This really seems futile.
> Hell is a place of burning fire.
If you've not yet been there, how do you know that? Maybe, it's a
barren frozen wasteland. Maybe, it's never-ending nothingness. Or,
maybe, it's a giant party? ... (i.e., since, God's not around to ruin
the party.)
Perhaps, god with the little 'g' made Hell look exactly like Heaven of
God with the big 'G'. According to you, god with the little 'g'
already copied/stole the image of God with the big 'G'. If he/she/it
was that envious of big 'G', it only makes sense he/she/it stole/copied
everything else of God's too. So, if both Heaven and Hell are
identical, why does it matter which Heaven or Hell you go to? Why does
it matter which God/god you worship? It seems that our all knowing
("omniscient") God has a conundrum he can't solve. Imagine that.
> It's a place of unending torment.
Well, one man's trash is another man's treasure. So, I'm assuming one
man's Hell is another man's Heaven, and vice-versa. It seems that no
one can agree on anything, so there must always be two of everything.
> The Bible records there will be no presence of God there, and the
> worm will not die, neither will there be any water to quench the
> raging heat. Only flames and agony and torment and a binding of
> such powerful degree that it will consume you completely, and you
> will never have any ability to experience anything ever again,
> save the raging pain.
It seems that God *really* doesn't want people to go to Hell. Why?
See! That's bound to make lots of people suspicious that he's lying to
them about something. What is he lying about? Maybe, he should've
been simply dismissive of Hell instead of attempting to instill fear in
people about it? "Oh, Hell? Eh, I went there once. There was nothing
there. Dull place."
> This fate awaits all who do not come to Jesus and have their sin
> forgiven.
Do you truly believe that?
If so, then you must *accept* the fact that Jesus condemned billions
of other good people from numerous other religious faiths to Hell, such
as Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. If true, this means that
Jesus is *NOT* a good guy.
> Jesus came to offer you a choice.
Why is Jesus sending good people to Hell? God only sent bad people to
Hell. Perhaps, Jesus is not whom you think he is? ...
> He came to offer you the ability to forego all of that, and to come
> to Him and simply say, "Jesus, I am a sinner. I have sinned. I need
> to be forgiven. I do not want to go to Hell," and He will forgive
> you.
What if you didn't hear the message? Christianity is not known
everywhere.
What if you're not a sinner, have not sinned, and need not be
forgiven? It's quite presumptuous to claim that everyone sinned.
> God does not want to judge anybody.
Then, why would he do so? It's an easy choice to simply not do so. I
can easily choose to not judge anybody, and God is supposedly far more
powerful than I am. So, why can't he simply choose to not do so? How
weak willed is this guy?
> He's made a way out through His Son for everybody.
A way out of what? A illogical thought-maze of fear that he created?
Well, that's just great ... Not only must I deal with the real
problems of life, but I've got to deal with the imaginary problems he
created for us. Your religion is bizarrely warped.
> But those who will not listen to His call,
> who will not come and ask forgiveness, repenting of their wrong-
> doing in His sight, what I described above remains charged to
> their soul's account, and that soul will have to pay the bill for
> the sin, rather than Jesus paying the bill for the sin.
Why must people comply with the demands of God or be punished? He gave
everyone free will. In this scenario as you describe it, he has
committed sins against people ex post facto. How can God justify
punishing people for what they do, when God gave them free will to do
whatever they want? What a bitch!
> It's your choice. Jesus gives you the way out. He gives you a
> full pardon just for the asking.
It's God's choice. He could give everyone a full pardon in exchange
for nothing. Why doesn't he? Why must we _pay_ something for a
pardon? i.e., accept Jesus as our savior. Shouldn't a pardon be
freely given?
> He saves you from burning alive forever in utter torment for free,
> just or coming to Him and stating the obvious: that you are a
> sinner, and that you need to be forgiven.
I'm not sure that he can do either. I've seen no proof of any such
ability. How do I know that Jesus isn't an alien with powerful
technology who is simply pretending to be a God? Without proof, you
could be worshiping an alien that intends to eat you. You'd likely be
happy when he did.
> Can you do that? Can you save your eternal soul?
This is a faulty assumption. This assumes that we have a soul and that
it needs saving. One is unproven. The other is unfounded.
> Or do you want to jump headlong into those flames and burn and burn
> and burn and burn and burn and burn and burn forever?
If you've been saved and are going to Heaven, how do you know that
the others will be sent to Hell? Maybe, everyone ends up in Heaven
no matter what. I.e., you're preaching a message that you can neither
confirm as true nor false. This is called spreading FUD: fear,
uncertainty, doubt.
> Who would choose the fiery flames end of their life?
Someone living in sub-zero temperatures their entire life? That
seems plausible to me ...
I.e., there is always someone who will find what you fear to be
pleasant and desirable to the opposite situation.
> What kind of man would say, "No" to Heaven and paradise in God's own
> Holy glowing presence, and, "Yes" to Hell and its unending fire and
> pain?
I say "No" to Heaven, at least as it's described in Revelations. That's
a gawdy place, diamond encrusted, ... That's a temptation for the
wicked. That's not Heaven.
According to Jesus, men are supposed to be like Moses, the meekest of
the meek. And, the meek are supposed to inherit the Earth. So, a
rejuvenated Earth is likely Heaven in Christianity. I'd say "Yes" to
that Heaven. Unfortunately, it's clear to me today, that men aren't
meek enough to inherit the Earth. So, squirrels will likely inherit it,
or maybe rabbits. Well, I can't forget frogs, or butterflies. I
haven't decided ... except, no mosquitoes.
> Only those who are pursuing falseness will choose Hell, because
> they are moving falsely, all the while thinking they are moving
> rightly, all because of sin's corruption on our ability to reason
> correctly here in this flesh.
This is the most bizarre claim, as Faith requires one to pursue
something, without knowing whether it is truth or falsehood. I.e., it
is far more likely that those pursuing "truth" via faith are on the
path of falseness, rather than those pursuing "truth" via facts.
> We need the spirit to know the truth,
That truth is what it is. No spirits are required, be it liquor or
other-worldly.
> and only Jesus can set us on the right path to know the truth,
Jesus is deceased and has yet to come again. So, how exactly is he
going to do that? ... Let me know when he arrives. He hasn't been
here in a while and probably can't locate said path.
> only God the Father can know we desire to know the truth and then
> alter us sufficiently to be able to even find it in our fallen,
> corrupt-in-sin state.
If Man has managed to survive this long without God's involvement, what
truth do we need to know? I.e., does God have anything remaining of
value for us? I would seriously doubt it as it seems we are
sufficiently intellectually capable to correctly determine all truths
for ourselves. I.e., we don't need God, but he sure seems to need us.
> the only path you are given to life eternal in peace, love, and
> unending joy.
Those are all choices. Decide to be peaceful. Decide to love others.
Decide to be joyful. Simple. You don't need god or God for that.
He/she/it gave you free will.
> And the path you're on today ends in a lake of fiery torment that
> never ebbs, never dries out, never calms down. It rages in fullest
> flame forever.
At least Hell is full of light, but the description is more apt to be
that of a star than of a Hell. A star is not something feared by
humanity, albeit it is dangerous.
Rod Pemberton
--
Rick, I hope that someday you begin to actually _think_ about the
"truth" which you're attempting to spread to others. Since I think
that you're not giving much thought to what you're saying, I'm going to
bounce a whole bunch of whacky responses up against your noggin.
> The Bible records people will be summoned by name.
died in the womb? They died before they had a name given. What are
they named? blank#1, blank#2, ...
> Earth and Heaven are fleeing from the Throne of God,
we're actually about to run into it. If we could see it, then maybe we
could turn around, if we're actually headed in the wrong direction.
This is God's fault for making Heaven invisible. Oh, wait, we're in
orbit, so we should just simply pass by it again next year.
> There, the books of your life are opened.
false, and illegally produced, i.e., without my permission. I have
rights. They can't do that.
> What's in those books?
> That stuff from your past?
> Your youth?
> The early sin you did in your wild days?
> Yes. It's all there.
matters to bad people, because they fear punishment for their wrongs.
> Plus, things you didn't even realize was sin.
us was wrong? What an asshole. He deserves to be punished for that.
> And it's all recorded in perfect detail, as if someone with
> a great 3D holographic camcorder was following you around for your
> entire life recording everything you've ever done ... in public,
> in private, in secret, when you were alone, when nobody else saw
> what you did. That 3D holographic camcorder did, and every last
> detail is written down in the books of Heaven.
my personal privacy. I have rights. God or his minions have no right
to violate those rights. It's purely evil for them to use their powers
to do so.
> You're going to be summoned into a type of room you don't want to
> be in.
> You're going to come face to face with things you don't
> want to come face to face with.
> You're going to hear the list of things you're guilty of read before
> all of creation,
by both God and you.
> and you will weep at how heinous you've been in the sight of a Holy,
> Holy, Holy God.
face of God ... If I'm not weeping from looking at his face, there is
no reason for me to be weeping in his presence, well, unless he has
sauerkraut farts. Then, I'd weep in his presence without seeing his
face.
> And you will be found guilty and sentenced to the only sentence
> suitable for you, an eternal being made in the very image and
> likeness of God, literally a god (lower-case "G") as is taught us in
> the Bible. The only punishment suitable for a god is that which God
> Almighty has created ... Hell.
by finding them guilty by default and then send them to Hell for it?
That doesn't sound like a very benevolent God to me. Why would anyone
worship such an asshole? Has he no sense of fairness? How is he going
to populate Heaven with good people if he keeps sending everyone to
Hell? This really seems futile.
> Hell is a place of burning fire.
barren frozen wasteland. Maybe, it's never-ending nothingness. Or,
maybe, it's a giant party? ... (i.e., since, God's not around to ruin
the party.)
Perhaps, god with the little 'g' made Hell look exactly like Heaven of
God with the big 'G'. According to you, god with the little 'g'
already copied/stole the image of God with the big 'G'. If he/she/it
was that envious of big 'G', it only makes sense he/she/it stole/copied
everything else of God's too. So, if both Heaven and Hell are
identical, why does it matter which Heaven or Hell you go to? Why does
it matter which God/god you worship? It seems that our all knowing
("omniscient") God has a conundrum he can't solve. Imagine that.
> It's a place of unending torment.
man's Hell is another man's Heaven, and vice-versa. It seems that no
one can agree on anything, so there must always be two of everything.
> The Bible records there will be no presence of God there, and the
> worm will not die, neither will there be any water to quench the
> raging heat. Only flames and agony and torment and a binding of
> such powerful degree that it will consume you completely, and you
> will never have any ability to experience anything ever again,
> save the raging pain.
See! That's bound to make lots of people suspicious that he's lying to
them about something. What is he lying about? Maybe, he should've
been simply dismissive of Hell instead of attempting to instill fear in
people about it? "Oh, Hell? Eh, I went there once. There was nothing
there. Dull place."
> This fate awaits all who do not come to Jesus and have their sin
> forgiven.
If so, then you must *accept* the fact that Jesus condemned billions
of other good people from numerous other religious faiths to Hell, such
as Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. If true, this means that
Jesus is *NOT* a good guy.
> Jesus came to offer you a choice.
Hell. Perhaps, Jesus is not whom you think he is? ...
> He came to offer you the ability to forego all of that, and to come
> to Him and simply say, "Jesus, I am a sinner. I have sinned. I need
> to be forgiven. I do not want to go to Hell," and He will forgive
> you.
everywhere.
What if you're not a sinner, have not sinned, and need not be
forgiven? It's quite presumptuous to claim that everyone sinned.
> God does not want to judge anybody.
can easily choose to not judge anybody, and God is supposedly far more
powerful than I am. So, why can't he simply choose to not do so? How
weak willed is this guy?
> He's made a way out through His Son for everybody.
Well, that's just great ... Not only must I deal with the real
problems of life, but I've got to deal with the imaginary problems he
created for us. Your religion is bizarrely warped.
> But those who will not listen to His call,
> who will not come and ask forgiveness, repenting of their wrong-
> doing in His sight, what I described above remains charged to
> their soul's account, and that soul will have to pay the bill for
> the sin, rather than Jesus paying the bill for the sin.
everyone free will. In this scenario as you describe it, he has
committed sins against people ex post facto. How can God justify
punishing people for what they do, when God gave them free will to do
whatever they want? What a bitch!
> It's your choice. Jesus gives you the way out. He gives you a
> full pardon just for the asking.
for nothing. Why doesn't he? Why must we _pay_ something for a
pardon? i.e., accept Jesus as our savior. Shouldn't a pardon be
freely given?
> He saves you from burning alive forever in utter torment for free,
> just or coming to Him and stating the obvious: that you are a
> sinner, and that you need to be forgiven.
ability. How do I know that Jesus isn't an alien with powerful
technology who is simply pretending to be a God? Without proof, you
could be worshiping an alien that intends to eat you. You'd likely be
happy when he did.
> Can you do that? Can you save your eternal soul?
it needs saving. One is unproven. The other is unfounded.
> Or do you want to jump headlong into those flames and burn and burn
> and burn and burn and burn and burn and burn forever?
the others will be sent to Hell? Maybe, everyone ends up in Heaven
no matter what. I.e., you're preaching a message that you can neither
confirm as true nor false. This is called spreading FUD: fear,
uncertainty, doubt.
> Who would choose the fiery flames end of their life?
seems plausible to me ...
I.e., there is always someone who will find what you fear to be
pleasant and desirable to the opposite situation.
> What kind of man would say, "No" to Heaven and paradise in God's own
> Holy glowing presence, and, "Yes" to Hell and its unending fire and
> pain?
a gawdy place, diamond encrusted, ... That's a temptation for the
wicked. That's not Heaven.
According to Jesus, men are supposed to be like Moses, the meekest of
the meek. And, the meek are supposed to inherit the Earth. So, a
rejuvenated Earth is likely Heaven in Christianity. I'd say "Yes" to
that Heaven. Unfortunately, it's clear to me today, that men aren't
meek enough to inherit the Earth. So, squirrels will likely inherit it,
or maybe rabbits. Well, I can't forget frogs, or butterflies. I
haven't decided ... except, no mosquitoes.
> Only those who are pursuing falseness will choose Hell, because
> they are moving falsely, all the while thinking they are moving
> rightly, all because of sin's corruption on our ability to reason
> correctly here in this flesh.
something, without knowing whether it is truth or falsehood. I.e., it
is far more likely that those pursuing "truth" via faith are on the
path of falseness, rather than those pursuing "truth" via facts.
> We need the spirit to know the truth,
other-worldly.
> and only Jesus can set us on the right path to know the truth,
going to do that? ... Let me know when he arrives. He hasn't been
here in a while and probably can't locate said path.
> only God the Father can know we desire to know the truth and then
> alter us sufficiently to be able to even find it in our fallen,
> corrupt-in-sin state.
truth do we need to know? I.e., does God have anything remaining of
value for us? I would seriously doubt it as it seems we are
sufficiently intellectually capable to correctly determine all truths
for ourselves. I.e., we don't need God, but he sure seems to need us.
> the only path you are given to life eternal in peace, love, and
> unending joy.
Decide to be joyful. Simple. You don't need god or God for that.
He/she/it gave you free will.
> And the path you're on today ends in a lake of fiery torment that
> never ebbs, never dries out, never calms down. It rages in fullest
> flame forever.
that of a star than of a Hell. A star is not something feared by
humanity, albeit it is dangerous.
Rod Pemberton
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Jul 14, 2017, 2:13:15 AM7/14/17
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Rod Pemberton wrote:
> [many questions / statements]
Do you want real answers to your questions and statements?
Or are you just making a statement?
> [many questions / statements]
Do you want real answers to your questions and statements?
Or are you just making a statement?
Kerr Mudd-John
Jul 14, 2017, 6:36:37 AM7/14/17
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 06:15:45 +0100, Rod Pemberton <NeedNotR...@xrsevnneqk.cem> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 04:47:35 -0700 (PDT)
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Rick, I hope that someday you begin to actually _think_ about the
> "truth" which you're attempting to spread to others. Since I think
[ huge snip ]
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 04:47:35 -0700 (PDT)
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Rick, I hope that someday you begin to actually _think_ about the
> "truth" which you're attempting to spread to others. Since I think
PDFTT, or if you must, take it to alt.arguments.full-halfhour or somesuch.
Rick C. Hodgin
Jul 14, 2017, 7:32:42 AM7/14/17
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On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 6:36:37 AM UTC-4, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
> ...if you must, take it to alt.arguments.full-halfhour or somesuch.
FWIW, Kerr, I do not debate or argue with people. I teach. You'll
never see a case where I am debating or arguing with someone. I
state the teachings of the Bible, and correct misunderstandings,
and that's the extent of my posts. If you go and read them you'll
see the same being conveyed.
It is the job of God's own Holy Spirit to convince people, not mine.
Only those who have been drawn by God can hear the message of the
cross and accept it (John 6:44), for they are the only one being
saved.
It is not a flesh-thing. You can't reason your way in to faith.
It is wholly spirit, and only those who are given the ability to
discern and understand spiritual things will come to Jesus, repent,
ask forgiveness, and be saved.
And, as sad as this fact is, not everybody is going to be saved.
But only those who seek the truth, and are made to hear the full
spiritual truth by God.
> ...if you must, take it to alt.arguments.full-halfhour or somesuch.
FWIW, Kerr, I do not debate or argue with people. I teach. You'll
never see a case where I am debating or arguing with someone. I
state the teachings of the Bible, and correct misunderstandings,
and that's the extent of my posts. If you go and read them you'll
see the same being conveyed.
It is the job of God's own Holy Spirit to convince people, not mine.
Only those who have been drawn by God can hear the message of the
cross and accept it (John 6:44), for they are the only one being
saved.
It is not a flesh-thing. You can't reason your way in to faith.
It is wholly spirit, and only those who are given the ability to
discern and understand spiritual things will come to Jesus, repent,
ask forgiveness, and be saved.
And, as sad as this fact is, not everybody is going to be saved.
But only those who seek the truth, and are made to hear the full
spiritual truth by God.
Kerr Mudd-John
Jul 14, 2017, 2:03:05 PM7/14/17
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:32:40 +0100, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 6:36:37 AM UTC-4, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
>> ...if you must, take it to alt.arguments.full-halfhour or somesuch.
>
> FWIW, Kerr, I do not debate or argue with people. I teach. You'll
> never see a case where I am debating or arguing with someone. I
> state the teachings of the Bible, and correct misunderstandings,
You're irredeemable. Nowt about OS development. I'll try not to respond further.
> On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 6:36:37 AM UTC-4, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
>> ...if you must, take it to alt.arguments.full-halfhour or somesuch.
>
> FWIW, Kerr, I do not debate or argue with people. I teach. You'll
> never see a case where I am debating or arguing with someone. I
> state the teachings of the Bible, and correct misunderstandings,
Rick C. Hodgin
Jul 14, 2017, 2:44:48 PM7/14/17
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On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 2:03:05 PM UTC-4, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
> Nowt about OS development...
I like OS development. It's my third favorite behind hardware
development, and compiler development.
> Nowt about OS development...
I like OS development. It's my third favorite behind hardware
development, and compiler development.
wolfgang kern
Jul 14, 2017, 3:20:02 PM7/14/17
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Rod Pemberton replied to Rick C. Hodgin
...
also to all other readers of AOD:
please release us all from madness and religious fanatism and avoid
replies to the sick one as long he doesn't talk OS-topics here.
I tried to save on wasted bandwidth by banning Rick at all, but if you
reply with a copy of all the useless stuff, I wont save a single bit.
thanks.
__
wolfgang
...
also to all other readers of AOD:
please release us all from madness and religious fanatism and avoid
replies to the sick one as long he doesn't talk OS-topics here.
I tried to save on wasted bandwidth by banning Rick at all, but if you
reply with a copy of all the useless stuff, I wont save a single bit.
thanks.
__
wolfgang
Rod Pemberton
Jul 14, 2017, 8:51:04 PM7/14/17
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 23:11:50 -0700 (PDT)
and responding to your long post. Are my thoughts and questions
irrelevant to you? Was your post a waste of everyone's time? Was your
post just "making statements" too? ...
Rod Pemberton
--
The internet is only free when governments are not involved.
> Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > [many questions / statements]
>
> Do you want real answers to your questions and statements?
> Or are you just making a statement?
>
Well, that's clearly disrespectful. I spent my time and life reading
> > [many questions / statements]
>
> Do you want real answers to your questions and statements?
> Or are you just making a statement?
>
and responding to your long post. Are my thoughts and questions
irrelevant to you? Was your post a waste of everyone's time? Was your
post just "making statements" too? ...
Rod Pemberton
--
The internet is only free when governments are not involved.
Rod Pemberton
Jul 14, 2017, 8:57:22 PM7/14/17
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 04:32:40 -0700 (PDT)
> I teach.
No, you're not teaching. Teaching requires discussion (which I
attempted to do). Learning requires thinking (which you rejected
outright). You're giving a sermon and proselytizing.
You can't talk TO people or talk WITH people here on religion,
because, while they may be religious, they're not interested in
discussing their religion while here. So, you're just talking AT
people. When talking AT someone, you're no different than a dog
barking AT something in a tree. No one knows what you're barking at,
no one knows why you're barking, and no one is able to get you to stop
barking. Others here have asked you to heel repeatedly on the
religious posts.
> I teach.
No, you're not teaching. Teaching requires discussion (which I
attempted to do). Learning requires thinking (which you rejected
outright). You're giving a sermon and proselytizing.
You can't talk TO people or talk WITH people here on religion,
because, while they may be religious, they're not interested in
discussing their religion while here. So, you're just talking AT
people. When talking AT someone, you're no different than a dog
barking AT something in a tree. No one knows what you're barking at,
no one knows why you're barking, and no one is able to get you to stop
barking. Others here have asked you to heel repeatedly on the
religious posts.
James Harris
Jul 15, 2017, 5:36:54 AM7/15/17
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--
James Harris
Rick C. Hodgin
Jul 15, 2017, 8:03:08 AM7/15/17
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On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 8:51:04 PM UTC-4, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 23:11:50 -0700 (PDT)
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Rod Pemberton wrote:
>
> > > [many questions / statements]
> >
> > Do you want real answers to your questions and statements?
> > Or are you just making a statement?
> >
>
> Well, that's clearly disrespectful. I spent my time and life reading
> and responding to your long post. Are my thoughts and questions
> irrelevant to you? Was your post a waste of everyone's time? Was your
> post just "making statements" too? ...
I ask you the same question: Do you want real answers to your questions?
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 23:11:50 -0700 (PDT)
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Rod Pemberton wrote:
>
> > > [many questions / statements]
> >
> > Do you want real answers to your questions and statements?
> > Or are you just making a statement?
> >
>
> Well, that's clearly disrespectful. I spent my time and life reading
> and responding to your long post. Are my thoughts and questions
> irrelevant to you? Was your post a waste of everyone's time? Was your
> post just "making statements" too? ...
Rick C. Hodgin
Jul 15, 2017, 4:14:59 PM7/15/17
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Rod, let me rephrase the question: Are you searching for
the truth? Or are you looking to convince me I'm wrong?
the truth? Or are you looking to convince me I'm wrong?
Rick C. Hodgin
Jul 19, 2017, 9:38:00 AM7/19/17
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On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 7:47:37 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
There is a corollary thread on comp.lang.c:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/1F8H2QfQDdM/We0vZ8G6BwAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/1F8H2QfQDdM/yKQUy8V-AgAJ
Some questions have been asked and answered. It is informative.
There is a corollary thread on comp.lang.c:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/1F8H2QfQDdM/We0vZ8G6BwAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/1F8H2QfQDdM/yKQUy8V-AgAJ
Some questions have been asked and answered. It is informative.
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