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No ObaMao

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Aug 8, 2009, 10:23:27 AM8/8/09
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Nancy Pelosi has a very florid imagination. In her mind's eye she is
seeing people "carrying swastikas" at Town Hall meetings to protest
Obama's Central Plan for American medicine. Which makes me wonder why
all the swastika-carrying nutsies -- or Nazis? or just nasties? -- in
Ms. Pelosi's imagination are not in favor of Obama's plan to control
US medicine. It's a control freak's dream, after all, and the Nazis
were totalitarian control freaks.

Can we get serious? One of the painful things today is the massive
failure of history teaching in the schools and colleges, so that kids
confuse Hitler's Nazis with the people who fought for freedom against
them. Stalin and Hitler forged an alliance in 1938. Had Hitler not
gone mad and invaded Stalin's Soviet Union, the Nazis and Soviets
would have gone to war against the West together. And they would have
won.

The Nazis were totalitarian romantics. That is why Hitler imitated and
glorified Richard Wagner, the Siegfried mythographer who marked the
very height of German Romanticism. That is also why the Nazis hated
both Jews and Christians, and promoted a neo-pagan religion based on
the Nordic gods and the glorification of killing and war. The Nazis
were romantics -- just like the hippies in the Sixties. They loved
going "back to nature," "the noble Savage," nudism, and the
destruction of marriage and traditional families.

Obama's former good buds Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn

[ http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2169
]
[ http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2190
]

are prototypical anarchist Romantics, people who are quite willing to
kill for their cause. Hitler's Nazis were emotional revolutionaries
with an endless craving to attack, subvert, control and co-opt all the
existing structures of society. Oh, and yes, they had a Mass Cult of
the Leader not unlike the idolatry whipped up for Barack Obama today.
Obama's "Citizens of the World!" speech in front of 200,000 cheering
Berliners had that very familiar look to it. That was not an accident,
but a deliberate PR stunt.

The best explanation of Nazism ever written is Peter Viereck's
Metapolitics: The roots of the Nazi mind. If you only give your kids
one book this year, that should be the one. Viereck's Metapolitics was
written in great fear and passion during the early days of Hitler's
rise, when the author was still a graduate student of German history,
and then revised two decades later. But it's one of those books that
remains relevant because it hits the nail on the head. You can't get
more accurate than Viereck did. A few years later Thomas Mann wrote an
Epilogue to Viereck's book, endorsing its main conclusions. They both
understood how deeply the Nazis were rooted in German history.

"Metapolitics" is the name the Nazis gave to their brand of politics,
because in their minds they were trying to change the entire world,
not just be another political party. Marxism is metapolitics; Nazism
is metapolitics. And yes, some of today's political fantasists dream
the same dreams. (Hint: Who do you think wants to revolutionize the
world today?)

Metapolitics was very controversial even after World War Two, because
it criticized European Romanticism, beloved by European and American
scholars and writers. But Peter Viereck was right and his critics were
wrong. German Romanticism of the totalitarian variety survived the
Nazis, and just re-emerged as the [Socialist] Green movement in
Europe. Nazism was always a "back to nature" movement anyway. After
the Nazis were defeated, all the Wagnerian Romantics turned into
Socialist Romantics. Often they were the very same people, like Martin
Heidegger, Paul de Man, and even Jean-Paul Sartre. The 1968 student
riots in Europe, which ultimately brought the Greens to power, were
run by anarchists identical to the Nazi rioters of the Munich beer
halls. Some of them have realized as much since that time.

Post-modernism is an attack on Western rationalism, democracy,
capitalism, free speech and free thought. It's called "Post-Modernism"
because it wants to kill modernism. Modernism stands for science,
technology, democracy, medicine and yes, bourgeois capitalism: The
keys to modern prosperity and well-being. That is why "Post-Modernism"
became so popular in our college English and History departments. That
is also why we have the "global warming" fraud, the anti-science
movements, the anti-nuclear power campaigns, the "post-modern" media
-- run by propaganda artists who were taught in college that lying for
a "good cause" was better than telling the truth. Those are the
mediots who are running our media today.

Culturally, the Nazis would have felt right at home with that attack
on Western rationalism, capitalism, and freedom of thought. It was
exactly what they wanted. The Nazis were Post-Modernists. Modernity
was their enemy. Hitler characteristically called Albert Einstein's
relativity theory "Jewish science." Back in Moscow, Jozef Stalin
promoted an attack on science by peddling fraudulent agricultural
genetics. Stalin thought he could discipline his marching ranks of
wheat stalks to grow taller by force, encouraged by his fraudulent
"geneticist" Trofim Lysenko. Both Hitler and Stalin hated real
science. They had real scientists sent to concentration camps.

The reason is of course that real science is about telling the truth.
That is why "global warming" is also a totalitarian scheme; it's
fraudulent science. It is also why the Left cannot openly debate the
pros and cons of Central Planning in American medicine. They are not
happy with searching out the truth.

And I'm afraid, that is also why Nancy Pelosi has to imagine "people
with swastikas" flooding the Town Hall meetings in America, to fight
against all the Good and Noble people like herself. Nancy is a
certifiable airhead, but the beliefs echoing in her head come from
decades of ideological indoctrination -- of the Totalitarian Romantic
kind. People like Ms. Pelosi have been given all the answers by the
ideologues of the Left. That is why their minds are shut so air
tight.

Let's not call them names, our Totalitarian Romantics [Liberal
Fascists] of today.

But let's not forget their historical antecedents either.

Hint: It's not Washington, Madison, Jefferson or Lincoln.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/nancys_nazis.html

HEIL HITLER! [get used to it.]

SteelersFanInTx

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Aug 8, 2009, 10:26:28 AM8/8/09
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Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are mutually
exclusive, therefore your entire premise is a total clusterfuck of
idiocy, right? Moron

No ObaMao

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On Aug 8, 9:26 am, SteelersFanInTx <wespen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/nancys_nazis.html
>
> > HEIL HITLER! [get used to it.]
>
> Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are mutually
> exclusive, therefore your entire premise is a total clusterfuck of
> idiocy, right?   Moron

Another PhD [Piled highest & Deepest] LMFAO!

http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/

Bert Hyman

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Aug 8, 2009, 10:33:07 AM8/8/09
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SteelersFanInTx <wesp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are mutually
> exclusive,

You're apparently thinking of the archaic meaning of "liberal" which had
its roots in "liberty." That use has been obsolete in the US since at
least the 1930s. The word that's now used to convey the same meaning is
"libertarian."

The economic aspect of fascism involves state control of business and
industry while maintaining the fiction of private ownership.

Perhaps you've noticed that this state control is exactly what the
current regime is implementing.

> therefore your entire premise is a total clusterfuck of idiocy, right?
> Moron

That's a stunning style of argument that you use; you were captain of
your school's debate team, weren't you?


--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com

Barry

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Spartakus

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Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> SteelersFanInTx <wespen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are mutually
> > exclusive,

> You're apparently thinking of the archaic meaning of "liberal" which had
> its roots in "liberty." That use has been obsolete in the US since at
> least the 1930s

Sez who?

> The word that's now used to convey the same meaning is
> "libertarian."

Libertarians are interested in one thing and one thing only - their
own self-interest. They're also among the most deluded people on the
planet.

Spartakus

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Aug 8, 2009, 11:00:35 AM8/8/09
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No ObaMao <saltyfishsa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/

Shorter Jonah Goldberg: "I can win any debate by redefining the terms."

Barry

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Aug 8, 2009, 11:15:01 AM8/8/09
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Yeap, that's what Communists, Socialists and Liberal Fascists have
done since Woodrow Wilson, PhD.

Vanman

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Aug 8, 2009, 11:31:48 AM8/8/09
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I guess that means medicare has an affinity towards natianal socialism so we
should eliminate it. We should also de-nationalize the military and just
hire mercenaries like blackwater (Z) since we don't want to be associated
with Nazism (gov;t run institutions). Let's eliminate free health care for
soldiers and have them pay for it on their meagre wages since we want to go
capitalism all the way. I guess FDR defeated the Nazis using nazi tactices
(heavy gov;t interference) so that was highly immoral. Hitler loved dogs so
I shouldn;t own one or i might be turning Nazi. Oh and child labour should
be allowed back since we want to encourage the free market..any regulations
in this regard is clearly Nazis interference as well. Safety regulations on
automobiles, food, machinery..gotta eliminate those as they have an affinity
with fascism.

Oh and since the republicans are more nationalistic (in a jingoistic sense)
than democrats they are going to have to turn more international in
mindset..or is that not possible as its reeks of communism? Xenophobia and
racism (since the republicans are more inclined this way) also reeks of
nazism so your gonna have to tone down the rhetoric that way. get the
pictures? Oh and the nazis were also somewhat anti-intellectual and very
pastoral in their viewpoints so the repubs are going to have to change that
way but I warn you that those who are educated or live in cities are
elitists and against america (according to you). The Nazis believed that
there was a Jewish Capitalist and Jewish Bolshevist conspiracy running
simultaneously back then..sound familiar since the republicans are trying to
paste the democrats as both the elements of the far right and far left. Ok
lets just admit it, the Republicans are brilliant at political campaigns and
simple sloganeering...oh wait that sounds like Joseph Goebbels, republicans
better change the way they run campaigns as well (hear that Rove?).

I must admit a certain amount of naivety. I thought once the Repubs lost the
last election there would be a natural inclinination to move towards the
centre. Instead we have seen a lurch to the fringes to the point that the
party has become hysterical. I have sympathy for the libertarian cause but
what i see happening is disturbing. There are implicitly encouraging people
to assassinate the president and if that happens there will likely be some
kind of revenge and then things could spiral out of control. The downward
spiral indeed.

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Pedro Gorbechev

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Republicans debate? Looks like a riot to me.


Bert Hyman

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Spartakus <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote:

> Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>> SteelersFanInTx <wespen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are
>> > mutually exclusive,
>
>> You're apparently thinking of the archaic meaning of "liberal" which
>> had its roots in "liberty." That use has been obsolete in the US
>> since at least the 1930s
>
> Sez who?

Well, there's me of course. And any dictionary of standard English.

Also Nobel Prize winner Friedrich Hayek who was forced to explain his
use of the word "liberal" in his book "The Road to Serfdom", in the
foreword of the American release in 1944:

"I use throughout the term 'liberal' in the original,
nineteenth-century sense in which it is still current [1944] in
Britain. In current American usage it often means very nearly the
opposite of this. It has been part of the camouflage of leftist
movements in this country, helped by the muddle-headedness of many
who really believe in liberty, that 'liberal' has come to mean the
advocacy of almost every kind of government control."

Bert Hyman

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In news:DTgfm.125713$qx1....@newsfe04.iad "Vanman" <Vanc...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

> I guess that means medicare has an affinity towards natianal socialism
> so we should eliminate it.

We? That's a strange thing for a Canadian to say.

~ RHF

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On Aug 8, 7:57 am, Barry <obamao.sux.donki.dix...@gmail.com> wrote:
- - On Aug 8, 9:23 am, No ObaMao <saltyfishsa...@gmail.com> wrote:
- - http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/nancys_nazis.html
-
- “Astroturfazoids” vs the “Angry Mob” in Denver
-
- http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/astroturfazoids-vs...

Barry,

OK so one of the Protesters was carrying was
one Sign with a Red Circle and a Red Bar {witch
is the International "NO" 'Do-Not' Signage} that
was imposed over a Black NAZI Swastika
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
-translation- SAY NO TO FASCISM [.]
http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Swastika-Punks-Against-Round-Sticker/dp/B0012SIORU
-signage- Anti-Swastika

But Democrat Pelosi only sees what she wants to
see; and tells the Liberal Lie -aka- Democrat Distortion.
"Protesters with Swastikas" when there was only
an Anti-Swastika. {Just Say NO to Fascism}
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/anti-obama-protester-comp_n_252815.html

This is because Pelosi herself is a Liberal-Fascist
and Obama-Care© is a Liberal Plan to Enslave all
Americans by Higher Taxes to a Big Government
Single-Payer Health Care System that is Fascist
by nature; because some of it's key features :
* A "Scoring" System that would DENY both Medical
Services and Treatment to Senior Citizens.
{Passive Euthanasia}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/fbd118cc06611488
* 'Imposed' More Birth Control for the Un-Desirable
* 'Counseled' More Women to have Abortions after
their First Baby like China's One Child Mandate

obama-care america's seniors 'fear' it ~ RHF
.
Senior Citizens FEAR Obama-Care© Cuts
in Medicare and Medicaid Benefits
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3497258dfc54b7ea
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1e1821e8739b3359
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5d22cae736a10b23
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
One Million Seniors March on Washington, DC
to Demand the Restoration of their Medicare
and Medicaid Health Care Benefits
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2c04523b46a23ced
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fe5d05e3126917e
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
Obama-Care© - Town Hall Meetings Turn Ugly for
US Congress Members as Americans react to a
Single-Payer {Big Government} Health Care System
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1cccaeb7666deb5c
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
Obama-Care© - Gives Free Medical Treatment to
Illegal Alien Invaders from Mexico -while- Cutting
Medical Benefits for America's Senior Citizens
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4d6cc9b121dd796d
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
Obama-Care© - Prez Obama Turning His Back On
the Aged and Infirmed American Senior Citizens
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/df998ef8d29f4463
The 'promise' of Obama-Care© Free GI Medical Marijuana for Seniors
"GI" = Government Issued
Yeah just get the Senior Citizens High and
they won't even know they are Dying . . .
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
.
.

~ RHF

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Aug 8, 2009, 3:43:24 PM8/8/09
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- Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are mutually
- exclusive, therefore your entire premise is a total clusterfuck of
- idiocy, right?   Moron

SFiTx - "diatribe"
SFiTx - "clusterfuck"
SFiTx - "idiocy"
SFiTx - "Moron"
.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some One And The Same ?
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist ?
& Do They Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6c9c9a87136d9a10
.
ObamaStridges© Denying That "Liberal-Fascism" Exists
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian/msg/12784d9c9cb4fc27
.
Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
"Liberal-Fascism" Does Exist in the 21st
Century is an Tired Old Argument.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/44230a0062947061
.
"Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits' :
Liberal-Fascism is a Virtual Reality in the 21st Century
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6a0dba38cddc6d10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3022071beb242aa3
.
Neo-LiIberal-Fascism - Employing Fascist Techniques
and Means to Achieve Fascist Totalitarian Goals and
Political Dominance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9892c941fefbbef0
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/10905e6ff0ab2fad
.
The ObamaSpeakers© Denying That "Liberal-Fascism" Exists
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/20943adbe30480e1
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/22d3aa8461de1401
~ibid~
.
The Validity of the Term "Liberal Fascist"
? Can It Exist?
? Does It Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af4569002bba33ca
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/efbc4aa52f959d40
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/55070611dd003a01
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dee38e44a0d1c320
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f95e688bb0612c63
~ibid~
.
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist ?
& Do They Exist ? -the-reality-is-the-reality- ~ RHF
.

~ RHF

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On Aug 8, 8:00 am, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
- - No ObaMao <saltyfishsa...@gmail.com> wrote:
- - http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/

- Shorter Jonah Goldberg: "I can win any debate by redefining the
terms."

More To The Point :
Saul Alinsky who Pez Obama 'claims' influenced
BHO as a Community Organizer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
"True Revolutionaries do not flaunt their Radicalism
They cut their hair, put on suits and Infiltrate the
System from within.

Prez Obama is an Alinskyite.... Prez Obama spent
years Teaching Workshops on the Alinsky's Methods.
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
.
ObamaNomics© Nationalize Banking

ObamaConomy© Nationalize Automakers

Obama-Care© Nationalize Health Care
.
Prez Obama 'promised' Change and We Got the
Excessive Burden of Higher Taxes, Fees and Levies

Prez Obama 'promised' Change and We Got
Bigger {All Controlling} Government of Our Daily Lives

Prez Obama 'promised' Change and We Got a
Health Care System that terminates Senior's Lives

WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA ! ~ RHF
.

dave

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Aug 8, 2009, 4:42:19 PM8/8/09
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Elections have consequences. Feel free to keep trying.

Bert Hyman

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> Libertarians are interested in one thing and one thing only - their
> own self-interest.

While you'd prefer that they only concern themselves with your
interests?

Arrogant, selfish bastard.

SteelersFanInTx

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On Aug 8, 9:33 am, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:24f5dd8e-6f6a-424d...@p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com

>
> SteelersFanInTx <wespen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are mutually
> > exclusive,
>
> You're apparently thinking of the archaic meaning of "liberal" which had
> its roots in "liberty." That use has been obsolete in the US since at
> least the 1930s. The word that's now used to convey the same meaning is
> "libertarian."
>
> The economic aspect of fascism involves state control of business and
> industry while maintaining the fiction of private ownership.
>
> Perhaps you've noticed that this state control is exactly what the
> current regime is implementing.
>
> > therefore your entire premise is a total clusterfuck of idiocy, right?
> >   Moron
>
> That's a stunning style of argument that you use; you were captain of
> your school's debate team, weren't you?
>
> --
> Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b...@iphouse.com

Actually, if you must know, I wasn't on the debate team. I played
sports.
And I am thinking of the present American English usage of Liberal and
Fascist. Just if you try to be cute and insult someone, at least have
the intelligence to use the correct terminology.
http://www.answers.com/topic/fascism
Notice the Political Dictionary actually states "A right-wing
nationalist ideology or movement with a totalitarian and hierarchical
structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism."
Simple enough for ya, sunshine?

Spartakus

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> > >http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/

So you're saying that Jonah Goldberg is a communist or socialist?

(There's no such thing as a "liberal fascist". Anyone with a
connection to reality would tell you that.)

Spartakus

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On Aug 8, 12:05 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:45e5f8d0-48b0-40e9...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com

>
> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> >> SteelersFanInTx <wespen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are
> >> > mutually exclusive,
>
> >> You're apparently thinking of the archaic meaning of "liberal" which
> >> had its roots in "liberty." That use has been obsolete in the US
> >> since at least the 1930s
>
> > Sez who?
>
> Well, there's me of course.

And your work plus $3.00 will get you coffee at Starbucks.

> And any dictionary of standard English.

Document or retract.
\


> Also Nobel Prize winner Friedrich Hayek

He was not a "Nobel Prize" winner.

Spartakus

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Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:

> > Libertarians are interested in one thing and one thing only - their
> > own self-interest.  

> While you'd prefer that they only concern themselves with your
> interests?

Having fun with your strawman?

> Arrogant, selfish bastard.

Pah! Sticks and stones.

SteelersFanInTx

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> * They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa

>  .
> Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
> Are Some One And The Same ?
> -aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist ?
> & Do They Exist ?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6c9c9a87136d9a10
>  .
> ObamaStridges© Denying That "Liberal-Fascism" Existshttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian/msg/12784d9c9cb...

>  .
> Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
> "Liberal-Fascism" Does Exist in the 21st
> Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/44230a0062947061

>  .
> "Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits' :
> Liberal-Fascism is a Virtual Reality in the 21st Centuryhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6a0dba38cddc6d10http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3022071beb242aa3

>  .
> Neo-LiIberal-Fascism - Employing Fascist Techniques
> and Means to Achieve Fascist Totalitarian Goals and
> Political Dominancehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9892c941fefbbef0http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/10905e6ff0ab2fad
> .
> The ObamaSpeakers© Denying That "Liberal-Fascism" Existshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/20943adbe30480e1http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/22d3aa8461de1401

> ~ibid~
>  .
> The Validity of the Term "Liberal Fascist"
> ? Can It Exist?
> ? Does It Exist ?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af4569002bba33cahttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/efbc4aa52f959d40http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/55070611dd003a01http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dee38e44a0d1c320http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f95e688bb0612c63

> ~ibid~
>  .
>  .
> Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
> Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
> -aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist ?
> & Do They Exist ? -the-reality-is-the-reality- ~ RHF
>  .

Now, either show a REFERENCE book (ie. dictionary, thesaurus) to prove
they aren't mutually exclusive, or admit that you only have idiotic
rhetoric as your basis and go teabagging with your buddies.

Grand Mal

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"SteelersFanInTx" <wesp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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-Now, either show a REFERENCE book (ie. dictionary, thesaurus) to prove
-they aren't mutually exclusive, or admit that you only have idiotic
-rhetoric as your basis and go teabagging with your buddies.

'Liberal fascist'? Oh, like one of those pious atheists. Tricky bastards.
Don't take your eye off 'em.
Republicans might like to know that some prominent world figures share their
opinion of liberals. Men like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Osama bin Laden, King
Abdullah ibn Saud, they hate liberals too.
I remember my old dad telling me you can know a man by the company he keeps.


~ RHF

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Aug 9, 2009, 7:46:00 AM8/9/09
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On Aug 9, 12:32 am, "Grand Mal" <ironw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "SteelersFanInTx" <wespen...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:cc8e64e0-a220-4fcf...@d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 8, 2:43 pm, "~ RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > .
> > The Validity of the Term "Liberal Fascist"
> > ? Can It Exist?
> > ? Does It Exist
> > ?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af4569002bba33...

> > ~ibid~
> > .
> > .
> > Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
> > Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
> > -aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist ?
> > & Do They Exist ? -the-reality-is-the-reality- ~ RHF
> > .
>
> -Now, either show a REFERENCE book (ie. dictionary, thesaurus) to prove
> -they aren't mutually exclusive, or admit that you only have idiotic
> -rhetoric as your basis and go teabagging with your buddies.
>
- 'Liberal fascist'? Oh, like one of those pious atheists. Tricky
bastards.
- Don't take your eye off 'em.
- Republicans might like to know that some prominent world figures
share their
- opinion of liberals.
- Men like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Osama bin Laden,
- King Abdullah ibn Saud, they hate liberals too.
- I remember my old dad telling me you can
- know a man by the company he keeps.

Dang "GM" you are right Prez Obama
and the Saudi King exchanging 'gifts'
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/obama-saudi-king-21.jpg
.

Bert Hyman

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Aug 9, 2009, 12:49:16 PM8/9/09
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In
news:4efd5c1d-f544-4943...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com
SteelersFanInTx <wesp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, if you must know, I wasn't on the debate team.

I never actually thought that you were.

> I played sports.

That's blindingly obvious.

Football without a helmet, right?

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com

Bert Hyman

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HankG

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"Spartakus" <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:afd92a00-a6c7-497b...@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

REALLY! What the hell do you call the white house trying to eliminate
dissent? How about all of the conservatives receiving pies in the face (Ann
Coulter) at Columbia, while Ahmedinajad was welcomed with open arms. I
won't even mention all of the nasty surprises awaiting you in health care
reform. Opps, it's now health insurance reform.

Hitler was a proud member of the SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT PARTY.

I could go on and on.

HankG


Gary Forbis

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As far as I can tell Nancy Pelosi's Nazis are the Republicans.
While they are willing to confuse Nazis and Facist with Socialists
and Communists the tactics being used mirror those of these groups.
The current trick of disrupting town meetings would fit well with
Mao's Red Guard. Heck they even share in the criticism of the
Univiersity's "Cultural Elite".

BDK

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Aug 9, 2009, 10:03:27 PM8/9/09
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In article <h5nc13$pvo$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, hg...@yahoo.com
says...

>
> "Spartakus" <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:afd92a00-a6c7-497b...@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> > Barry <i.sux.donki.dix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> > No ObaMao <saltyfishsa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > (There's no such thing as a "liberal fascist". Anyone with a
> > connection to reality would tell you that.)
>
> REALLY! What the hell do you call the white house trying to eliminate
> dissent?

Shades of Nixon?

> How about all of the conservatives receiving pies in the face (Ann
> Coulter) at Columbia, while Ahmedinajad was welcomed with open arms.

And Obama ordered his lackeys to pie her? BWHAHAHAHA!

I
> won't even mention all of the nasty surprises awaiting you in health care
> reform. Opps, it's now health insurance reform.

What surprises are those? Having dealt with the present system
personally and with my mother, I'm willing to give it a fair shot.

>
> Hitler was a proud member of the SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT PARTY.

Please. Get a grip.

>
> I could go on and on.
>
> HankG
>
>
>

And you would still be 180 degrees off course.

--

BDK..
Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.

~ RHF

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Aug 10, 2009, 4:20:42 AM8/10/09
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On Aug 9, 3:49 pm, Gary Forbis <forbisga...@msn.com> wrote:
> As far as I can tell Nancy Pelosi's Nazis are the Republicans.
> While they are willing to confuse Nazis and Facist with Socialists
> and Communists the tactics being used mirror those of these groups.
> The current trick of disrupting town meetings would fit well with
> Mao's Red Guard.

Prez Obama calls upon the Obama-Finks©
to "Monitor" {Spy-On} their fellow American Citizens
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1ae324c25fa3048f
Liberal-Fascism Is Alive In Washington DC
and It's Headquaters is the White House.

-Heck they even share in the criticism of the
- Univiersity's "Cultural Elite".

-correction- That would be the Univiersity's
"Socialist-Marxist Cultural Elite".
.
i guess being anti-obama for his liberal politics
and programs is now a 'crime' in america ~ RHF
.

Gary Forbis

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Aug 10, 2009, 9:03:18 AM8/10/09
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On Aug 10, 1:20 am, "~ RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Aug 9, 3:49 pm, Gary Forbis <forbisga...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > As far as I can tell Nancy Pelosi's Nazis are the Republicans.
> > While they are willing to confuse Nazis and Facist with Socialists
> > and Communists the tactics being used mirror those of these groups.
> > The current trick of disrupting town meetings would fit well with
> > Mao's Red Guard.
>
> Prez Obama calls upon the Obama-Finks©
> to "Monitor" {Spy-On} their fellow American Citizenshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1ae324c25fa3048f

> Liberal-Fascism Is Alive In Washington DC
> and It's Headquaters is the White House.

The idea was to fight ideas with ideas. If you know
who is spreding bad ideas you know who you need
to convince. The irrational fears suggested by the
right wing spin machine are there to make sure
this isn't a rational debate.

> -Heck they even share in the criticism of the
> - Univiersity's "Cultural Elite".
>
> -correction- That would be the Univiersity's
> "Socialist-Marxist Cultural Elite".

The motif is the same as is the playbook.

> i guess being anti-obama for his liberal politics
> and programs is now a 'crime' in america ~ RHF

Unlike under Bush, the protestors aren't being
arrested for peaceful protest. Crimes are still
crimes, even under a "liberal" president. The
ends never justify the means. It cannot be the
case that the same acts are moral or immoral
depending upon one's cause.

~ RHF

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- It cannot be the case that the same acts are
- moral or immoral depending upon one's cause.

But with the Obama-Regime© They Are [.]
Protest Against Prez Obama's Politics Policies
and Programs are Immoral and a Crime : Judge
Prez Obama's Own Words and Actions
* Prez Obama calls upon the Obama-Finks©


to "Monitor" {Spy-On} their fellow American Citizens

* Prez Obama calls-up the Obama-Rats© to "Report"
{Rat-Out} their fellow American Citizens
* The Obama-Enemies-List . . . It's Growing Everyday
ALL Part of "Liberal-Fascism" Obama Style.
http://wearesc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86585
.
Prez Obama Remember When Democrats* -claimed-
"Since When Has It Been Part of American Patriotism
to Keep Our Mouths Shut?" - Hillary Clinton 2006
* Now We Have The Enforced Silence of Democrat
Party of the USofA Liberal-Fascism

Prez Obama Remember When Democrats* -claimed-
"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" - Hillary Clinton 2006
* Now We Have The Enforced Silence of Democrat
Party of the USofA Liberal-Fascism

Prez Obama Remember When Democrats* -claimed-
"Blind Faith In Bad Leadership Is Not Patriotism" - Hillary Clinton
2006
* Now We Have The Enforced Silence of Democrat
Party of the USofA Liberal-Fascism

yeah - prez obama remember when . . . ~ RHF
.

~ RHF

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On Aug 10, 7:55 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:

- When/if the U.S.Military Draft makes a come back,
- who/whom are the dims and libs going to blame it on?
- cuhulin

The New World Order [US] Draft will add to the
Obama-Death-List . . . and It's Growing Everyday
-wrt- Afghanistan - It's Obama's Bloody War !
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/washington/18web-troops.html
+ More Troops - Thanks to Prez Obama
+ More Money - Thanks to Prez Obama
+ More Equipment - Thanks to Prez Obama
+ More Death - Thanks to Prez Obama


WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/weekinreview/25cooper.html
=Q= Where are the Peace Protesters Now ?
Oh the Silence of the Liberals when They Kill
in the Name of Their New World Socialist Order
.
End War in Iraq, Focus on Afghanistan,
Prez -candidate- Barack Obama says
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/16/nation/na-campaign16
Yeah even as a Candidate for Prez - Obama was
planning on Escalating the War in Afghanistan
=Q= Where were the Peace Protesters Then ?
Oh the Silence of the Liberals when They Kill
in the Name of Their New World Socialist Order
.
Afghanistan Now Is Prez Obama's War
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?entry_id=43676
.
this is 'rhf' and i disapprove of this message ~ RHF
.

SteelersFanInTx

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On Aug 9, 11:49 am, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:4efd5c1d-f544-4943...@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com

>
> SteelersFanInTx <wespen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Actually, if you must know, I wasn't on the debate team.  
>
> I never actually thought that you were.
>
> > I played sports.
>
> That's blindingly obvious.
>
> Football without a helmet, right?
>
> --
> Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b...@iphouse.com

Ohhh a dumb jock joke. How original. Typical rethug....all sizzle
no steak. Can't refute, insult (or shout down, as done lately).
Will debate you on any topic. By the way, I was president of the
chess team for 3 years as 1st board as well. That cerebral enough for
you?

dave

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Aug 11, 2009, 9:26:20 AM8/11/09
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Gary Forbis wrote:
> It cannot be the
> case that the same acts are moral or immoral
> depending upon one's cause.

Tell that to the evangelicals trying to take over the government and the
military. We are screwed. America is over.

Bert Hyman

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In news:e029123e-1196-4e86...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com
SteelersFanInTx <wesp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ohhh a dumb jock joke.

If the shoe fits ...

> How original.

Since you're not original, no originality was required on my part.

> Typical rethug....all sizzle no steak.

How original.

> Can't refute,

Perhaps you couldn't understand my response to your earlier post. Find
someone to explain it to you.

> insult (or shout down, as done lately).

You deserve nothing better, and apparently couldn't understand it
anyway.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com

SteelersFanInTx

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On Aug 11, 8:28 am, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:e029123e-1196-4e86...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com

>
> SteelersFanInTx <wespen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ohhh  a dumb jock joke.  
>
> If the shoe fits ...
>
> > How original.  
>
> Since you're not original, no originality was required on my part.
>
> > Typical rethug....all sizzle no steak.  
>
> How original.
>
> > Can't refute,
>
> Perhaps you couldn't understand my response to your earlier post. Find
> someone to explain it to you.
>
> > insult (or shout down, as done lately).
>
> You deserve nothing better, and apparently couldn't understand it
> anyway.
>
> --
> Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b...@iphouse.com

Nothing to understand, merely the prattle of an idiot with the
debating skills of a pet rock.

Bert Hyman

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In
news:9f2842cd-b617-402f...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com
SteelersFanInTx <wesp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nothing to understand

No kidding.

Good luck in your future endeavors.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com

cncf

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> Nice diatribe, but you do know that Liberal and Fascist are mutually
> exclusive, therefore your entire premise is a total clusterfuck of
> idiocy, right?   Moron- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Mutually exclusive??? Liberals want a government that provides for
all their 'needs' by taxing 'the productive' under the guise or rights
and freedom; Fasicts want government control of distribution while
maintaing the guise of private property/production. At least
Communism is HONEST about it's goals.

dave

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Nancy Pelosi is no liberal. Dennis Kucinich is a liberal.

Spartakus

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Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Spartakus<sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> >> Also Nobel Prize winner Friedrich Hayek

> > He was not a "Nobel Prize" winner.

> The Nobel Foundation differs.
>
> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economics/laureates/1974/hayek-lec...

There is no "Nobel Prize" for economics. The award given to Hayek was
from the Sveriges Riksbank "in memory of Alfred Nobel".

This is the same award recently given to Paul Krugman, btw.

Spartakus

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"HankG" <hg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote...

> > (There's no such thing as a "liberal fascist".  Anyone with
> > a connection to reality would tell you that.)
>
> REALLY!  What the hell do you call the white house trying to eliminate
> dissent?

You're delusional.

> How about all of the conservatives receiving pies in the face (Ann
> Coulter) at Columbia,

Street theatre.

> while Ahmedinajad was welcomed with open arms.

He was given a forum and those who listened did not agree with him.

> I won't even mention all of the nasty surprises awaiting you
> in health care reform.  Opps, it's now health insurance reform.
>
> Hitler was a proud member of the SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT PARTY.

Better brush up on your history. There was no "Socialist Democrat
Party" in Germany back then. There was a "Social Democratic Party",
and I can assure you, Hitler was *not* a member. In fact, Hitler
*banned* the Social Democrat Party in 1933.

> I could go on and on.

And be just as wrong.

~ RHF

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On Aug 10, 5:34 pm, "~ RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 6:03 am, Gary Forbis <forbisga...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 1:20 am, "~ RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 9, 3:49 pm, Gary Forbis <forbisga...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > > As far as I can tell Nancy Pelosi's Nazis are the Republicans.
> > > > While they are willing to confuse Nazis and Facist with Socialists
> > > > and Communists the tactics being used mirror those of these groups.
> > > > The current trick of disrupting town meetings would fit well with
> > > > Mao's Red Guard.
>
> > > PrezObamacalls upon theObama-Finks©
> > > to "Monitor" {Spy-On} their fellow American Citizenshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1ae324c25fa3048f
> > > Liberal-Fascism Is Alive In Washington DC
> > > and It's Headquaters is the White House.
>
> > The idea was to fight ideas with ideas.  If you know
> > who is spreding bad ideas you know who you need
> > to convince.  The irrational fears suggested by the
> > right wing spin machine are there to make sure
> > this isn't a rational debate.
>
> > > -Heck they even share in the criticism of the
> > > - Univiersity's "Cultural Elite".
>
> > > -correction- That would be the Univiersity's
> > > "Socialist-Marxist Cultural Elite".
>
> > The motif is the same as is the playbook.
>
> > > i guess being anti-obamafor his liberal politics

> > > and programs is now a 'crime' in america ~ RHF
>
> > Unlike under Bush, the protestors aren't being
> > arrested for peaceful protest.  Crimes are still
> > crimes, even under a "liberal" president.  The
> > ends never justify the means.
>
> - It cannot be the case that the same acts are
> - moral or immoral depending upon one's cause.
>
> But with theObama-Regime© They Are [.]
> Protest Against PrezObama'sPolitics Policies

> and Programs are Immoral and a Crime : Judge
> PrezObama'sOwn Words and Actions
> * PrezObamacalls upon theObama-Finks©
> to "Monitor" {Spy-On} their fellow American Citizens
> * PrezObamacalls-up theObama-Rats© to "Report"

> {Rat-Out} their fellow American Citizens
> * TheObama-Enemies-List. . . It's Growing Everyday

> ALL Part of "Liberal-Fascism"ObamaStyle.http://wearesc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86585
>  .
> PrezObamaRemember When Democrats* -claimed-

> "Since When Has It Been Part of American Patriotism
> to Keep Our Mouths Shut?" - Hillary Clinton 2006
> * Now We Have The Enforced Silence of Democrat
> Party of the USofA Liberal-Fascism
>
> PrezObamaRemember When Democrats* -claimed-

> "Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" - Hillary Clinton 2006
> * Now We Have The Enforced Silence of Democrat
> Party of the USofA Liberal-Fascism
>
> PrezObamaRemember When Democrats* -claimed-

> "Blind Faith In Bad Leadership Is Not Patriotism" - Hillary Clinton
> 2006
> * Now We Have The Enforced Silence of Democrat
> Party of the USofA Liberal-Fascism
>
> yeah - prezobamaremember when . . . ~ RHF
>  .

Take One Name 'Off' {Offed?} The Obama-Enemies-List©

! Ex-Blagojevich Adviser Dies Before Prison Term !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090913/ap_on_re_us/us_blagojevich_fundraiser_death
-or- Was this Obama-Cide© ? - Which is becoming
like the Arkansas {Clinton} Death Syndrome !
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1142670/posts
* The Clinton Body Count
? Will Prez Obama Make Bigger ?
http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc-body.html
* The Clinton Legacy
? Will the Obama-Regime© Out-Do-Them ?
http://www.prorev.com/legacy.html
.
America OK so what's next the
Chicago {Obama} Death Syndrome© ?
and a growing "List' of those who have
'committed' Obama-Cide© ?
.
.


The Obama-Enemies-List . . . It's Growing Everyday

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/767d3d8064b36696
.
Vote Green in 2012 and Recycle Prez Obama !
* It's Time for a White House Cleaning :
Send Prez Obama to a Long Happy Retirement !
-and- All the Obama-Czars into Political Exile.
.
Vote Green in 2010 and Recycle Congress !
* It's Time for a Congressional House Cleaning :
Let's Throw {Vote} Da Bums Out !
Send Nancy Pelosi [D-CA] into Retirement !
Send Harry Reid [D-NV] into Retirement !
.
The 9-12 Project "We The People" :
+ The Nine All American Principles
+ The Twelve All American Values
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WATCH-Read "20-Minutes with the President"
http://www.infowars.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president.html
http://www.drudge.com/news/124891/charlie-sheen-20-minutes-president
CLARIFICATION a 'psycho-drama' -by- Charlie Sheen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychodrama
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