The Maxine Entwistle interview
Brian in Atlanta
So that everyone can make up their minds after knowing exactly what she
said, I'm posting the entire interview with Maxine Entwistle from The Mail
On Sunday (July 28):
From Caroline Graham
In Lake Tahoe, Nevada
THE DAY Maxine Entwistle decided she had had enough was the day she went
shopping in Beverly Hills.
She had exhausted the exclusive boutiques in Rodeo Drive and returned, tired
but happy, to the Regent Beverly Wilshire hotel to show her husband, The Who
guitarist, John Entwistle, her purchases.
But when she opened the door to their suite she was topped in her tracks.
There, on the hotel balcony, her husband stood naked while a young blonde
groupie performed a sex act. Maxine was struck speechless. She wanted to
shout and go ballistic but she was so shocked not a sound came out of her
mouth. She walked back out of the door without a word, knowing their 15-year
relationship was effectively at an end.
Uncertain of what to do next she called her mother-in-law, Queenie,
expecting sympathy and advice but was told instead, 'John's a star. He's
allowed to have a wife and mistress. They all do. All the wives accept it.'
But not this one. Maxine Entwistle is devastated by John's death last month,
of a heart attack in the arms of a woman in a Las Vegas hotel bedroom, but
she cannot have been surprised by the circumstances.
Last week a coroner ruled that a massive cocaine overdose triggered the
heart attack.
Although grieving, Maxine is glad she left John and the carnival that went
with being on tour with a world famous rock band.
She knew that otherwise, one day, she too would end up dead in an anonymous
hotel bedroom hundreds of miles from home.
It might have been an impure batch of drugs, a drunken fall or even suicide.
But she knew that the debauched, debilitating excesses of the music business
would get her in the end, just as they got John. Few people have seen the
corrupt, morally bankrupt, world of rock up close in the way that she has.
Today, for the first time, Maxine talks about the hatred and the bitterness
that ran like a fault line through The Who, and that turned Entwistle, 57,
and one of the world's most successful bass guitarist, into a shambling
drunk racked with jealousy and consumed by a destructive self-loathing. She
reveals the band's uncontrollable envy of Mick Jagger
for the money he has made, which they never could, for his business acumen,
which they never had, and for his continued success which they couldn't
emulate.
And she told me that despite The Who's image - in which Roger Daltrey, Pete
Townshend and Entwistle had been the best of friends since adolescence -
they couldn't, in fact, bear to be in the same room together and only came
together for recording sessions and stage shows.
Maxine also disclosed that although John had a 53-room Gothic mansion in
Stow-on-the-Wold, Gloucestershire, and insisted on traveling only by private
plane, he was in debt and worried that if he didn't earn more - in the form
of huge advances - to support his lavish lifestyle he would be declared
bankrupt.
It was this terror, fuelled by an addiction to gambling, drink and sex, that
persuaded him to go back on the road and that ultimately; she believes, led
to his death. He needed the money that the tour would provide him with but
tragically he had spent the £1 million he had already been given, on
gambling debts, before a single note had even been played.
One mystery that still surrounds the death of John Entwistle in the Hard
Rock Hotel in Las Vegas is the identity of the woman who was in the room
when he died.
Lurid reports have focused around private strippers and expensive call girls
but Maxine, 46, is convinced they are inaccurate. The petite American who
was married to John for eight years until their divorce in. 1997 said: 'I am
absolutely certain there will have been a woman but John never had to pay
for sex.
'John couldn't stand to be alone. He needed sex and loved being the big rock
star. I haven't asked any of the band members whether there was a woman
because, to be frank, I would be shocked if there wasn't.
'One day in LA he sent me and a friend out with some money to go shopping. I
got back and the suite had two bimbos in it. I walked on to the balcony and
there was John getting oral sex from another girl. I was just expected to
tolerate it because he was a rock star.
'People say it was a sad way to end up - alone with a girl in his room. But
it wasn't the girl that was sad. It was the fact that he didn't want to be
there at all. He had to do one last tour because he was broke. He knew he
had high blood pressure and was at risk of a heart attack, but he ignored
all the signs because he needed the cash.
'The tragedy is no one around him did anything. For all his fame and
adulation, there was no one in his life who cared enough about him to get
him the help he needed.
'The Who never saw each other unless they were working. Their egos were too
dig to be in the same room together.'
MAXINE, who has successfully fought her own battle with alcohol, said: 'John
was an alcoholic.
When I last saw him two years ago backstage after a Who concert in Los
Angeles, he gave me a big hug and told me how proud he was of me for getting
sober. He told me: "I wish I had the strength to do what you did, but I
don't." It was a cry for help. He should have gone to rehab. But he was in
denial and those around him were too.
'He and the rest of the band were always going on about being jealous of
Mick Jagger because of his money. The Who never made the multi-millions that
Mick did.
Mick had a great business brain and was notoriously tight with his money.
When he was dating Jerry Hall she told me he made her pay for her own plane
tickets and hotel rooms. John had money tied up in homes, but he was always
broke.
'When I divorced John, everyone thought I'd get a huge pay-off. But he
didn't have that sort of money.'
But why did John Entwistle suffer more than other members of the band?
Maxine paints a picture of a rock and roll victim. And certainly what had
seemed attractive as an adolescent became desperate as a grown man.
When The Who became successful, writing teenage anthems which chimed with
their own adolescent feelings, such as Can't Explain and My Generation which
includes the ultimate rallying cry, 'Hope I die before I get old', Entwistle
was just 19 years old.
Maxine realised just how desperate the band had become when, in their vain
attempts to appear young, she witnessed them dying their hair in a hotel
bathroom sink.
She said: 'Both John and Keith (Moon) died their hair black. That was one of
the things I stopped when we got together. I made John go to his real grey.
It was more dignified.'
At this stage, Entwistle would do anything to try to compete with the
flamboyant members of the group. Moon was famous for driving limousines into
swimming pools. Roger Daltrey had perfected the brilliant techniques of
swinging his mike on stage like a lasso and Pete Townshend dazzled audiences
with his athletic mid-air leaps white playing guitar.
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All Entwistle was required to do was stand in the background while the
others stole the limelight. It was to depress him and inevitably - as with
another bass player, Bill Wyman of The Rolling Stones - Entwistle began to
resent his role as the band wallflower, forever left in the shadows.
It was then that his addictions, the drinking, the gambling and the constant
stream of women, took hold, while he stubbornly ignored warnings from his
doctors about his dangerously high blood pressure.
Maxine said: 'John had the reputation of being the quiet one of The Who but
I brought him out of himself. We were soulmates. When we first met I wasn't
a fan but John kept pestering me for a date but I refused a couple of times
because I knew he was married and had a wife and kid back in England. But he
was persistent and in the end I went out with him.
We had an affair for a year while he was flying back and forth between his
wife in England and me in L.A. But their marriage was over. In 1980 he asked
me to move to England with him. First of all we lived in Pete Townshend's
flat on London's King's Road before moving to the country to a mansion
called Quarwood. It was a daze of drink and drugs and parties.
'We lived sex, drugs and rock and roll. We would hang out with Jagger all
the time. Bill Wyman was a very good friend. So were John Hurt and Michael
Caine, We partied every night. We would go to clubs like Stringfellows and
Tramp and it was champagne and pot the whole way. But I was anorexic and my
body was messed up. I longed for a child with John but the doctors told me I
would never be a mother.
'I had started getting unhappy in the relationship. John was going away more
without me. We got married on a whim on September 11th, 1991 but I knew as I
was walking down the aisle of this tacky wedding chapel in Las Vegas that
the marriage wouldn't last. An Elvis impersonator was our witness.
'I hit rock bottom just a year later - on June 24, 1992. John was away with
the band and I was in the wine cellar drinking everything but I wasn't
getting drunk. Then I smoked some pot, but didn't get stoned. I was
frightened. I thought I was losing my mind. The drugs and the drinking had
become too much. I knew I had to sober up to survive. I went into rehab.'
There would be no going back to their relationship that had begun in 1978
when she was a 22-year-old waitress at LA's infamous celebrity hang-out
Rainbow Bar and Grill.
In an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting Maxine met French count Thierry Curial de
Brevannes with whom she had a brief fling and who is the father of her
eight-year-old son, Oliver. She then went on to marry her second husband,
marketing manager Richard Bolen, 54, and now lives in a modest wooden chalet
home by Lake Tahoe, Nevada.
But she still wears an enormous black pearl ring given to her by Entwistle
as a reminder of past times, both sad and happy. Maxine said: 'I wanted us
to he like Barbara and Ringo and detox together but John didn't want to give
up booze. He loved drinking too much.'
When Maxine became pregnant Entwistle was furious and filed for divorce. 'I
think I humiliated him by getting pregnant by another man. But by the time
the divorce was finally sorted out in 1997 we were friends again.
'We spoke on the phone every few months and I was due to see John on July 3
when The Who played San Francisco. Then John died. In the end, I went anyway
and met Pete and Roger backstage. I think John and I would still be married
if he'd sobered up. And I also believe that if we were still married he
would be alive today. I loved him and would have taken care of him to the
end.'
Maxine did not attend his funeral last month in the 12th Century church of
St. Edward in Stow-on-the-Wold, claiming she had to look after her son back
in America.
In truth, however, John's first wife, Alison, the mother of his 30-year-old
son, and Lisa Pritchard-Johnson, his girlfriend of six years, did not want
her there.
It is a sad commentary, and yet a cliché of all rock stars, that at the end
three women were fighting over his gravestone - and what little money there
is left - for the guitarist has bequeathed all his assets to his mother,
Queenie, and son, Chris.
Perhaps tragically for Entwistle, he didn't die before he got old. He died a
portly, grey-haired 57-year-old trying to live out the fantasies of a
teenager while hating himself for it.
It was, in truth, a far more tragic outcome than his cocaine-induced heart
attack with a female stranger in an anonymous hotel bedroom, desperate
though that is, too.
Additional reporting:
Elizabeth Sanderson
--
-Brian in Atlanta
The Who This Month!
http://www.thewhothismonth.com
D.G. Devin
>Thanks to Lester Peckover for getting me a scan.
>
>So that everyone can make up their minds after knowing exactly what she
>said, I'm posting the entire interview with Maxine Entwistle from The Mail
>On Sunday (July 28): [snip]
This story, emphasis on the word story, is bristling with contradictions and
innaccuacies. In no particular order --
So everybody in the Who envied and hated Mick Jagger, yet John spent a lot
of time hanging out with him? Makes a lot of sense, most of us like to
spend time with people we loathe.
Maxine was stunned and dismayed to discover John was being unfaithful to her
with other women, yet she herself was dating him while he was still married
to another woman? Ya, hard to see that coming.
John became bitter like Bill Wyman at being forced into a subservient role
at the back of the stage? Both these guys needed to be pried loose with a
crowbar to be forced into the spotlight, but we're supposed to believe they
really wanted to be leaping and mic-twirling center-stage, the way JAE did
with his solo band, where he, uhhhh, stood like a statue playing bass, just
like he did in the Who....
John's heart attack was caused by a massive cocaine overdose? Hmmmm, I seem
to recall the coroner specifically saying it was not an overdose.
JAE died "portly?" He looked thin as a rail to me. Did he put on a lot of
weight recently? I didn't think so.
JAE had to do one last tour because he was broke? He never stopped touring,
he was always putting together another band or another solo album. Whenever
the Who weren't working, he got something else going. Are we to believe he
was in the same money-making frenzy for the past 20 years? In which case
why did he put together solo tours even when he knew they would not be
profitable?
So Mick Jagger made Jerry Hall buy her own plane tickets etc. when they were
dating. These people do know Hall is a millionaire in her own right
independent of anything she got from Jagger, don't they? I guess if I was
dating a millionaire I would sort of expect her to be able to get her own
cabfare too. Why would anybody be expected to pick up the tab for someone
who is already rich?
Keith Moon dyed his hair? At what age did he go grey, 25? He couldn't have
been more than about 30 when this woman first met him. True, some people go
grey early, any reason to think Keith was one of them?
And of course she claims she just couldn't make it to the funeral 'cause she
had to stay home and take care of her kid, one more dubious claim piled on
top of many others.
I don't know how much of this woman's story is truth and how much is
fiction, but I do know there are red flags waving all over this interview,
so much so that anything she says has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Maybe it's because they wouldn't let her attend the funeral, maybe she's
just out for a few minutes of semi-fame, maybe all that booze and dope had
more of an impact on her than she realizes. And it's very possible that the
newspaper writer crafted it for maximum "readability" in the manner British
tabloids are so well known for. But somewhere along the way this woman's
view of reality picked up a little roll in the horizontal hold, if you know
what I mean.
What a circus, fortunately all you have to do to make it recede into the
background is put on Quadrophenia as I did today, that glorious music
obliterates all this foolishness, just like it always has.
Iggles
"D.G. Devin" <DGD...@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
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> Keith Moon dyed his hair? At what age did he go grey, 25? He couldn't
have
> been more than about 30 when this woman first met him. True, some people
go
> grey early, any reason to think Keith was one of them?
Of all the 'stories', I believe this. Entwistle had jet-black hair when
Keith Moon died, then in a period of two years started to go grey that fast?
Hendrix, and Morrison were going grey before they reached 30. Under that
constant abuse of drugs and alcohol, I don't doubt Moon was in the same
state. Especially since when he died, he looked like he was 45. I also
thought Moon's hair looked a little weird before he died. It was receeding
of course, but it looked darker than normal black human hair.
D.G. Devin
>Of all the 'stories', I believe this. Entwistle had jet-black hair when
>Keith Moon died, then in a period of two years started to go grey that
fast?
>Hendrix, and Morrison were going grey before they reached 30. Under that
>constant abuse of drugs and alcohol, I don't doubt Moon was in the same
>state. Especially since when he died, he looked like he was 45. I also
>thought Moon's hair looked a little weird before he died. It was
receeding
>of course, but it looked darker than normal black human hair.
I don't look alright 'cause my hair is black? ;-)
Whojunior
(and 2 extra comments: she claimed not to have seen him for two years so then
how can she know how his relationship with pete and roger had been the last two
years? I read that roger had been saying i love you to john often in the last
days. that sounds pretty close. also john showed up at pete's sadler's wells'
solo show. that seems like a freindly gesture as well. As for she "wasn't a
fan" -when she met him at... The Rainbow??? Sheesh. There's only one reason why
'anyone' would work there...and that's ... "to-meet-rock-stars". that is thee
only reason anyone goes there. the place was a meat market and reeked of stds.
So she wasn't a fan of the Who in 1978? -not that there's anything wrong with a
fan dating a rock star of course, but ...why lie? AND if he was so broke, why
the hell was she, (a former waitress)... shopping on rodeo drive with his
freakin' money? sorry. im mad still. sorry. carry on.
long live the who and rock and john and keith and all of us for that matter.
this whole thing is turning into a nightmare, not a circus.
-e
Iggles
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So John married a bimbo which is the from the same stock as the bimbo she
witnessed shining his johnson years later. Take it or leave it. I do
believe the hair dying part though. I think she does embellish on the
Jagger references. I'm sure John sarcastically said how they envied Jagger
(in JAE humor) but I doubt it was serious.
The person I want to hear from is Allison, and that isn't going to happen.
Since they were teenage sweathearts, that would give us a better perspective
on the real person.
Brenthogan
in some ways, put together because of his divorce to Maxine. She says she
decided to leave him in 92...John stopped dying his hair around the time of FD
or IH and it revealed that he was blond with a few hints of grey-even in 89 he
still had blond hair-check out all of the photos-he's blond with some (more)
grey in it.
John had Quarwood before she met him. You can even see it in TKAA film during
the "Success Story" segment.
John has gone on record soo many times talking about how he was happy being in
the shadows because "all the other roles" in The Who were taken. The first time
I saw JAE in concert was with the JEB in 96 and at first I was downright pissed
that he was just standing there looking bored as hell until I remembered that
that was his act-to just stand there.
Brent
"They say that love often passes in a second and you can never catch it up. So
I'm holding onto you as though eternity beckoned though it's clear that the
match is rough."-Pete Townshend
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Jeff
he stopped dying it about the time of the 1982 tour.
So what.
Jeff.
Brian in Atlanta
was,
> in some ways, put together because of his divorce to Maxine. She says she
> decided to leave him in 92...John stopped dying his hair around the time
of FD
> or IH and it revealed that he was blond with a few hints of grey-even in
89 he
> still had blond hair-check out all of the photos-he's blond with some
(more)
> grey in it.
John said in a number of interviews that his hair was always blond and he
dyed it because it made him more visible on stage.
I posted this, to quote Fox News, because "I report, you decide" (except,
unlike Fox News, I'm not lying when I say it). I am very glad alt.music.who
analyzed this so well.
Scooter
bitterness
> that ran like a fault line through The Who,
So including the fact that Roger, Pete, John and even Keith had been talking
for years about the hatred and bitterness that ran through the years, she's
about the 5 millionth person to "break" this story.
> And she told me that despite The Who's image - in which Roger Daltrey,
Pete
> Townshend and Entwistle had been the best of friends since adolescence -
> they couldn't, in fact, bear to be in the same room together and only came
> together for recording sessions and stage shows.
Let's see, they, the band members, talked about this fact starting in about
what? 1971?
Dave Marsh talks about this extensively in "Before I get old" which came out
20 years ago. Everybody knows that their was a love-hate relationship in
the Who. They were incredibly cruel and spiteful to each other, and they've
acknowledged it. Townshend and Daltrey have one of the most complex
relationships ever, when John was alive that was a troika.
Nyarlathotep
I'm an admirer of JAE's music, but I disagree with some members
of this group who've been responding to the article. Most of Maxine's
assertions seem plausible to me.
Nyarlathotep
I'm not certain how reliable Maxine Entwistle is, and I'm not
trying to start an argument, but it seems to me, DG, that you're
misrepresenting some of her statements.
> So everybody in the Who envied and hated Mick Jagger, yet John spent a lot
> of time hanging out with him? Makes a lot of sense, most of us like to
> spend time with people we loathe.
You're putting words into Maxine's mouth. She didn't say that
John loathed or hated Jagger.
> Maxine was stunned and dismayed to discover John was being unfaithful to her
> with other women, yet she herself was dating him while he was still married
> to another woman? Ya, hard to see that coming.
He was receiving a blowjob from a groupie in plain sight. I
don't find anything suspicious about Maxine's statement that this
disturbed her.
> John became bitter like Bill Wyman at being forced into a subservient role
> at the back of the stage? Both these guys needed to be pried loose with a
> crowbar to be forced into the spotlight, but we're supposed to believe they
> really wanted to be leaping and mic-twirling center-stage, <snip>
She didn't say that.
> JAE died "portly?" He looked thin as a rail to me. Did he put on a lot of
> weight recently? I didn't think so.
Did you see the final pic of JAE? He looked heavier than usual
to me.
> So Mick Jagger made Jerry Hall buy her own plane tickets etc. when they were
> dating. These people do know Hall is a millionaire in her own right
> independent of anything she got from Jagger, don't they? I guess if I was
> dating a millionaire I would sort of expect her to be able to get her own
> cabfare too. Why would anybody be expected to pick up the tab for someone
> who is already rich?
Yeah, but what you're saying doesn't cast any doubt on the claim
that Mick made Jerry Hall pay her own way.
> Keith Moon dyed his hair? At what age did he go grey, 25? He couldn't have
> been more than about 30 when this woman first met him. True, some people go
> grey early, any reason to think Keith was one of them?
In the later pics of Keith, his hair looks to me as if it had
probably been dyed, and, generally speaking, he looked older than a
guy in his early thirties should have. BTW, JAE started greying while
in his twenties. Hell, Pete T. started *losing* his hair while in his
twenties. Maxine's claim that Moon dyed his hair seems plausible to
me.
> What a circus, fortunately all you have to do to make it recede into the
> background is put on Quadrophenia as I did today, that glorious music
> obliterates all this foolishness, just like it always has.
I'm inclined to the view that most of what Maxine says is
probably true. This, however, doesn't make JAE's music any less great.
Nyarlathotep
> It was then that his addictions, the drinking, the gambling and the constant
> stream of women, took hold, while he stubbornly ignored warnings from his
> doctors about his dangerously high blood pressure.
Does anyone remember John's song "Love is a Heart Attack"? It
had lines such as:
The doctor told me "This is a showdown
You're living too fast, you've got to slow down"
and
The doctor told me "You've got to choose
Between living or dying, and sex, drugs and booze"
In hindsight, I wonder if the song was in part autobiographical.
D.G. Devin
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> You're putting words into Maxine's mouth. She didn't say that
>John loathed or hated Jagger.
She is quoted and represented as saying the band was jealous of and had an
uncontrollable envy of Mick Jagger. The band would logically include John,
right? And jealousy and uncontrollable envy are not exactly terms of
endearment.
> He was receiving a blowjob from a groupie in plain sight. I
>don't find anything suspicious about Maxine's statement that this
>disturbed her.
I don't doubt it disturbed her, but since she claims to have been the de
facto groupie while John was still married to someone else, how can she
claim to be surprised?
> She didn't say that.
Here's a quotation from the story -- "All Entwistle was required to do was
stand in the background while the others stole the limelight. It was to
depress him and inevitably - as with another bass player, Bill Wyman of The
Rolling Stones - Entwistle began to resent his role as the band wallflower,
forever left in the shadows." I really don't see any other interpretation
of those words being possible, but your milage may vary.
> Yeah, but what you're saying doesn't cast any doubt on the claim
>that Mick made Jerry Hall pay her own way.
It was presented as a slam at Jagger for being tight-fisted, as if expecting
a millionaire to pay for her own hotel room is being cheap. I don't
question that it happened, I question why Maxime tries to make it sound like
Jagger was being cruel to Jerry. But then someone who liked to spend time
on Rodeo Drive spending her husband's money would probably tend to think
that way....
>Maxine's claim that Moon dyed his hair seems plausible to
>me.
It would seem that the hair-dying story is one thing she was telling the
truth about. Still, her husband was an entertainer in an industry that
values youth. Would we ever be surprised to learn that an actor or musician
dyed his hair or had plastic surgery or something along those lines? Again,
she presents it as evidence of moral decay, when it could just as easily be
seen as a commonsense business decision.
> I'm inclined to the view that most of what Maxine says is
>probably true. This, however, doesn't make JAE's music any less great.
To each his own, my reaction is that she has mixed up fragements of truth in
a stew of her own frustrations and bitterness, and the result is very far
from the truth.
jazz
"breaking even" with his solo concerts. He lived for the road.
But...Johnny was a "rockstar." I cant repeat this enough. Rock has
casualties all the time. Rock kills, seriously!
Jason
>truth about. Still, her husband was an entertainer in an industry that
>values youth. Would we ever be surprised to learn that an actor or musician
>dyed his hair or had plastic surgery or something along those lines? Again,
>she presents it as evidence of moral decay, when it could just as easily be
>seen as a commonsense business decision.
I thought he dyed his hair since he was in the Detours so he could look like
Elvis.
-
Jason
D.G. Devin
>But...Johnny was a "rockstar." I cant repeat this enough. Rock has
>casualties all the time. Rock kills, seriously!
So does the blues, jazz and country, judging by their casualties list.
Seems like if you want to be a musician and live a long time, take up
classical.
Iggles
"D.G. Devin" <DGD...@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
Mozart was a casualty too. There's no safe haven for musicians. If you
choose to live a fast life, you pack 50 years into 20 and you die
prematurely.
D.G. Devin
>
>choose to live a fast life, you pack 50 years into 20 and you die
>prematurely.
True enough, I was thinking more of contemporary musicians, I saw Issac
Stern once when he was about a zillion years old, him and a piano player
tore the roof off Carnegie Hall.
The Chris
1 - Mick Jagger is responsible.
2 - If, at his age, he was still getting blowjobs on balconies from
young girls.... he was the fucking OX!!! :)
Stephen LaRose
No, more like THE BULL ... as a farm boy whose father farmed 1500 acres and
had a feedlot of 100 cattle, I think I can speak with some authority.
An ox is a bull with the genitals removed.
Thank you for allowing me to point out this mistake. :-)
Stephen LaRose
Fort Qu'Appelle SK
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Nyarlathotep
> Nyarlathotep wrote in message ...
>
> >"D.G. Devin" <DGD...@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote in message
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> > You're putting words into Maxine's mouth. She didn't say that
> >John loathed or hated Jagger.
>
>
> She is quoted and represented as saying the band was jealous of and had an
> uncontrollable envy of Mick Jagger. The band would logically include John,
> right? And jealousy and uncontrollable envy are not exactly terms of
> endearment.
Right, but you purport to infer from Maxine's comments that the
members of the Who "hated" and "loathed" Jagger when she made no such
suggestion.
Nor does it follow from any of ME's comments that John "really
wanted to be leaping and mic-twirling onstage."
Maybe Maxine Entwistle is bitter, but it's unfair to ascribe
statements to her that she didn't make.
GordyAnd
still give ya my 2 cents.
Bitter, bitter woman, shitting on a the grave of a man she claims to love.
She's just pissed that they wouldn't let her into the funeral, so she had to
break such *SHOCKING NEWSFLASHES* as John dyed his hair and had problems
holding onto money and The Who weren't the best of friends. No shit, Sherlock!
Still, I do believe everything she says (even though I'm disgusted w/ her)
with the exception of two things:
1. John just touring for the financial gain. It's no secret he needed the
money, but it's also no secret that he really loved to tour.
2.The stuff about him being unhappy about never developing a flashy onstage
persona like the others. He was the anchor. I'm sure he was happy with that,
and knew his importance in the equation that was The Who. If he wanted to
fuckin' jump around, I'm sure he woulda, but he let his playing speak for
itself. I couldn't imagine him any other way. In his bored still as a statue
demeanor, he had a persona that was just as wild as any of the other 3. He was
the opposite end of the spectrum. It was just hilarious how easy he made it
all look.
Maxine's been (at least for the most part) out of the loop for the last several
years. She's making assumptions based on how John and The Who operated 20
years ago. Sure, in the last couple of years the guys still didn't pall around
together too much off stage, but everyone knows that the last couple of tours
have been based on a renewed friendship and regret for the way things sometimes
ended up in the past. When I first read about how Allison & Lisa kept her away
from the funeral, I thought it was very tacky and wrong, but now I DO NOT
FUCKING BLAME THEM IN THE LEAST!!!!!!
-GORDY
"The world is desperate for another guitar player in a leather jacket.-Mick
Jagger:1989...How true it still holds up 12 years later
D.G. Devin
> Maybe Maxine Entwistle is bitter, but it's unfair to ascribe
>statements to her that she didn't make.
To close out, I'll grant you I employed some poetic licence in my
evaluation, okay. However, the duck test still applies, if it looks like a
duck and walks like a duck and it quacks, it's probably a duck. The overall
tone of the woman's remarks was negative and hostile and self-serving, and
since many of her remarks were, let's say, suspicious, most everything she
said is called into question. No big deal however, Entwistle's music is a
range of mountains and this woman's bitter screeching is just a pebble.
John's lifestyle was as he chose to live it, and although I regret he didn't
take better care of himself, I think divorcing this fruitbat was one of his
smarter moves.
ALEX L GALLARDO
and his talent with all this unflattering statements of him. We should
remember John for his artistry as a great bass player , songwriter and as an
accomplished artist, and his gentleness and class appeal, not his flaws.
John played a great role in the band's sound and he was very much involved
with the music that he and Townshend and Daltrey created together 40 years
ago. Why don't she get a freaking life, now we know why the ox divorced her
and he met the wrong people . We know the fact that his death was caused by
the powerful white powder that caused his heart attack, which was a big
surprise to me, but death is tragic and out of respect for his family and
fans, let him rest in peace, we don't need to hear this crap said about him
or the stripper who allegedly was with him on the night of his passing on
the eve of the 2002 Who reunion tour.
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>
> --
> R.I.P. John Entwistle (10/9/44 - 6/27/02) We'll never forget
>
> "Every one of the innocents who died on Sept. 11 was the most important
person on earth to somebody.
> Every death extinguished a world." -- President George W. Bush, 12/11/2001
>
> www.hillary-watch.org
ALEX L GALLARDO
very unflattering way, sure he was human and he had flaws don't we all have
flaws? that woman shouldn't be called Mrs. Entwistle since she had been
divorced from him since 1994 and goes around some sleazy newspaper to make a
buck out of his dead corpse.
The fact of the matter is the man is dead and I think that woman should get
a life and let him rest in peace once and for all.
It's not secret that John goes on the road for financial reasons would you
say the same thing for Pete and Roger as well as Mick and The Stones and
other rock acts who tour for money? of course they do it for money they make
a living just like we got jobs and pay the bills . People pay to see these
rock legends for one reason and that is talent. John, Pete and Roger are
talented men and they know how to give an audience their money's worth. John
loves the road and he died doing what he loved the most and that is
entertaining people and giving them happiness and joy into everybody's
faces.
Maxine Entwistle is nothing more than a sleaze factor who has nothing more
to say than to talk trash which is an insult to his grave. Since Elvis'
death from a drug induced heart attack 25 years ago alot of trash has been
said about his dark side like the drug abuse and the weight gain and his
moody personailty, and when John Lennon was killed 22 years ago by that
wacko Chapman, alot of back and forth has been said about his drug use with
the Beatles and his relationship with manager Brian Epstein and the affairs
including his relationship with Yoko, and Jim Morrison on relationships with
women which he allegedly was cruel due to his self-destructive nature as
with Hendrix and Kurt Cobain. Do we have to know this crap about the dark
side ? We must remember these people for their talent not their flaws.
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