Quad remaster...
Hank Encizo
from the original versions, like on Who are you and Odds & sods.
SFG
wrote:
>Just wondering if any of the songs on the Quad remaster were different
>from the original versions, like on Who are you and Odds & sods.
Two differences that I can think of off the top of my head: after
Roger sings "You men should remember how you used to fight" (The Dirty
Jobs) there's no sound effect after it (that whiny "fight! fight!"
noise).
And also Pete's countdown has been edited out from the beginning of
"I'm One".
I haven't done any kind of closer comparison (which, come to think of
it, is quite strange for me).
Jason
>from the original versions, like on Who are you and Odds & sods.
Look here: http://members.aol.com/thewhoindex/remix.html
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Jason
Hank Encizo
Biff_Meister
it a better album.
On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:11:33 -0400, Hank Encizo <hen...@fcb.com>
wrote:
>That shit really pisses me off
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Hank Encizo
Hair, after the first chorus you can hear someone saying something in the
background, but on the remaster its gone. Not that its a big deal, but why
would they even bother with that?
Jason
>Hair, after the first chorus you can hear someone saying something in the
>background, but on the remaster its gone. Not that its a big deal, but why
>would they even bother with that?
I know it's part of the song, and we're used to it, they probably considered
that a mistake.
It's almost impossible to make an identical remix of something. The new mixes
are a little too digital for me. I like the remixes of The Seeker, Relay, Sea
And Sand and a few others, but there's something irreplaceable about the
originals.
By the way, I really hate what they did to
My Generation (Leeds)
Armenia City In The Sky
Tommy
Drowned
I'm The Face
and all of Who Are You and It's Hard
a well f*cked sailor
main guitar track missing.
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Jason
>main guitar track missing.
Remasturbated is the perfect word for it!
It keeps getting worse:
Odds & Sods (Ok, but with many problems)
BBC Sessions (sounds bad)
Leeds Deluxe (even more unlistenable)
Ultimate Collection (shit)
My Generation (I hope they don't fuck it up too)
Iggles
> >I just noticed Under My Thumb from the remasturbated Odds & Sods has the
> >main guitar track missing.
>
> Remasturbated is the perfect word for it!
>
> It keeps getting worse:
> Odds & Sods (Ok, but with many problems)
> BBC Sessions (sounds bad)
> Leeds Deluxe (even more unlistenable)
> Ultimate Collection (shit)
> My Generation (I hope they don't fuck it up too)
Since Jon ASStley's hands won't touch My Generation, I think we won't have
to worry about no-noise. That's what has plagued the Who's catalog of
reissues the past four years. I remember eight years ago how upset most of
us were because Shel Talmy wanted total control over the My Gen tapes (he
sounded selfish and demanding). Today I'm so glad he's overseeing the
project, and that we will finally have a final product in a month. You also
forgot to add the TKAA soundtrack, which sounds like cardboard compared to
the original LP.
Jason
>to worry about no-noise. That's what has plagued the Who's catalog of
>reissues the past four years. I remember eight years ago how upset most of
>us were because Shel Talmy wanted total control over the My Gen tapes (he
>sounded selfish and demanding). Today I'm so glad he's overseeing the
>project, and that we will finally have a final product in a month.
I don't think Talmy will fuck it up, I just worry about what happens when it
gets out of his hands.
>You also
>forgot to add the TKAA soundtrack, which sounds like cardboard compared to
>the original LP.
Horrible remaster. The mono mix of Magic Bus appears once again!
I've never heard the Quad or Tommy soundtrack remasters and I have no interest
either. I heard that Dr. Jimmy had digital skips and tape dropouts on it.
I'm not an audiophile, I just want music that's listenable! The Ultimate
Collection was like listening to a jackhammer. We should start a class action
lawsuit against MCA/Universal/UTV/whateverthefuckelseyoucallit records for
hearing damage.
Biff_Meister
better than the LP.
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:09:56 GMT, "Iggles" <iggl...@attbi.com>
wrote:
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Luke Pacholski
jason...@aol.com (Jason) wrote:
>I don't think Talmy will fuck it up, I just worry about what happens when it
>gets out of his hands.
Well, the group of people in charge is Talmy, Andy McKaie, and Erick
Labson. Labson mastered the 1993 MCA Tommy CD...
Luke
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Nil
news:20020726003822...@mb-mg.aol.com:
> I've never heard the Quad or Tommy soundtrack remasters and I have
> no interest either. I heard that Dr. Jimmy had digital skips and
> tape dropouts on it.
I have not noticed any skips or dropouts on my copy.
I think the remstered Quadrophenia sounds better than my original LP
ever did.
Nil
news:3d4088dd.78906524@news:
> It's just a matter of what you like; I think the remix on Quad
> makes it a better album.
Me, too. The mix that we heard on the LP is a chance thing in the first
place. That just happens to be where they decided it was good enough.
If they had mixed it on a different day, or had one more glass of wine,
or had an itchy toe, there would have been other variations. I think
the Quadrophenia and Tommy mixes remain true to the spirit of the
original mixes but with improved instrumental balance and clarity. A
few of the details are spightly different, but nothing important. It's
nice to have both mixes for academic comparison, but having grown up on
the original LP, I prefer the remix by a wide margin.
Mike
writes:
>Remastered or not, I've yet to hear a TKAA CD soundtrack that sounds
>better than the LP.
Me too, I was disappointed from the reviews that I didn't buy the reissue CD.
Looking forward to the new DVD and make my own CDr instead.
Mike
"What can I say that hasn't already been said?"
"It's one day at a time for us. It ain't fucking easy. Rock 'n' roll isn't
easy. Nor is life. It's just best to get on with it."
(Roger Daltrey - Shoreline Amphitheater, Mt. View, CA July 3rd, 2002)
reswot
Luke: what source did he use? I assume the mix sounds just like the
original issue? Do you know where this cd can be obtained?
Thanks,
David
bucks. They do mail order. Look up the number and give them a call.
Last week they still had a sealed a Who By Numbers (original MCA) for 10
bucks as well. I don't remember if they have that one though but Tommy they
usually have.
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Luke Pacholski
"reswot" <spam...@att.net> wrote:
>Luke: what source did he use? I assume the mix sounds just like the
>original issue? Do you know where this cd can be obtained?
I don't know what source he used, but I've been told that MCA has/had
some great sounding Tommy tapes in their vaults.
Luke
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Jason
>>original issue? Do you know where this cd can be obtained?
>
>I don't know what source he used, but I've been told that MCA has/had
>some great sounding Tommy tapes in their vaults.
I don't see why they didn't use the tape they used to press the original Decca
LP. Unless that's the one they burned/misplaced. I like the original 2-cd set.
It's not perfect, but it has a certain sound that reminds me of the LP that I
grew up on. The newer cds might be cleaner, but I like the "rough" sound of the
original. To each his own I guess.
Iggles
> I don't see why they didn't use the tape they used to press the original
Decca
> LP. Unless that's the one they burned/misplaced. I like the original 2-cd
set.
> It's not perfect, but it has a certain sound that reminds me of the LP
that I
> grew up on. The newer cds might be cleaner, but I like the "rough" sound
of the
> original. To each his own I guess.
I bought Quad for the first time in '83 on LP (MCA of course). 'The Real
Me' floored me on first listen, for just the impact of John's bass (even at
twelve I loved bass players that ventured up the neck). Then I thought the
rest of the album was just too muddy to enjoy. When the '96 remix came out
on CD, I was floored. It was like listening to an entirely different album.
The Who live caught in the studio. I thought the '96 version (Polydor is
better than MCA) placed Quad at #1 on my fav Who albums, it was that
impresssive to me.
Luke Pacholski
jason...@aol.com (Jason) wrote:
>I don't see why they didn't use the tape they used to press the original Decca
>LP. Unless that's the one they burned/misplaced. I like the original 2-cd set.
>It's not perfect, but it has a certain sound that reminds me of the LP that I
>grew up on. The newer cds might be cleaner, but I like the "rough" sound of the
>original. To each his own I guess.
Well, it is quite possible they DID use the same tapes. Differences in
mastering can go a long way, however.
It's been some time since I've heard the two CD set. The main thing I
remember about it is how sloppy it was - there were large pops/glitches
between Overture and 1921, and between Tommy's Holiday Camp and We're
Not Gonna Take It, for example.
Luke
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reswot
reswot
Maybe for the 2-cd they used vinyl for the source. <g>
Thanks for the reply on the 1993 remaster. I like some things they did with
the remix (eg, great bass on Overture). But they ruined the drums on
Underture, which is one of the best parts of the whole record. And why did
they have to do stuff like delete Keith's "singing"...
Luke Pacholski
"reswot" <spam...@att.net> wrote:
>Thanks for the reply on the 1993 remaster. I like some things they did with
>the remix (eg, great bass on Overture). But they ruined the drums on
>Underture, which is one of the best parts of the whole record. And why did
>they have to do stuff like delete Keith's "singing"...
Hmm. I haven't noticed an improvement in the bass. What I *did* notice
was that while the original mix was very "alive" and "open", the remix
is very dense and lifeless. This is very noticeable in Overture and
Underture, in particular.
Luke
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reswot
the bass was rolled off on the vinyl so it could be tracked.
"Lifeless" is a good description of the drums on the remixed Underture. On
the original they are incredible.
I think I'll try and get one of those '93 cds, so thanks.
Luke Pacholski
"reswot" <spam...@att.net> wrote:
>"Lifeless" is a good description of the drums on the remixed Underture. On
>the original they are incredible.
Yes. The general sound just "breathes" on the original mix. Very
expansive. Not the case with the remix.
>I think I'll try and get one of those '93 cds, so thanks.
It isn't perfect, but it is still quite good.
Luke
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Biff_Meister
version. It's even better.
http://shorterlink.com/?JC99NX
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 04:59:33 GMT, "Iggles" <iggl...@attbi.com>
wrote:
>
>I bought Quad for the first time in '83 on LP (MCA of course). 'The Real
>Me' floored me on first listen, for just the impact of John's bass (even at
>twelve I loved bass players that ventured up the neck). Then I thought the
>rest of the album was just too muddy to enjoy. When the '96 remix came out
>on CD, I was floored. It was like listening to an entirely different album.
>The Who live caught in the studio. I thought the '96 version (Polydor is
>better than MCA) placed Quad at #1 on my fav Who albums, it was that
>impresssive to me.
>
>
>
>
>
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JWB
>
> Remastered or not, I've yet to hear a TKAA CD soundtrack that sounds
> better than the LP.
I can't imagine anything sounding worse than the MCA "remastered" version.
I couldn't believe how much noise reduction there was.
I am notorious for having terrible hearing - and a hard time picking out sound defects - but even I
thought that CD sounded *DISGUSTING*.
- JWB