A Newcomer's Visit
D TRENT DRAKE
weregreetingcard.
> As I sniffed the ground, I knew something was amiss. I never remembered
>others of my kind to be in this area before. Hmmm... As I crept closer,
>padding softly in the glistening snow, my ears perked up to catch low
>conversation, a crackling fire, and singing? I crept closer to the noise and
>peeked through the brush, and to my surprise, saw several others very much
>like myself. I made the clearing and the singing one stopped, stared at me,
>then scoops up a handful of snow and throws it at me. (A poor aim, though, it
>hit some poor unsuspecting chap soundly sleeping.)
I let my guard down for one minute...
>With an initial growl at
>the 'attack', I stepped forward to challenge, ears back. This individual then
>said with a rather surprised look, "Ooops...Greetings Wolf. Pull up a log
>by the fire. Duck those snowballs on your way in. My hackles relaxed as I
>approached the circle surrounding the fire. Sitting, I felt surprisingly at
>ease. I never really felt akin to anyone. Somehow...I think this may change.
It may just, at that. Welcome.
><SniffSniff> Is that chili I smell?
Now, that we're not so sure about. Katmandu was a little dodgy when asked
about the ingredients, and spoons got droopy if we let them sit in it too
long. All I can say is, I like it!
>Thanks Logan for the invite. <Grin>
>Hello everyone...It warms a lonely wolf's heart to find a group such as
this.>Until we next meet...> Wolf
Welcome, welcome, welcome. I'm Hiker, and I know what it's like to finally
find some true kin after years of walking alone. It's part of how I came by
the name! Speaking of names... don't get defensive, but you really should
find a better name than Wolf. It's a bit generic. I believe names are very
powerful things, and if you name yourself, you should make sure it reflects
your soul somehow. Or at least have it sound cool. Sorry, just a personal
hang up...
Dip your snout into the virtual chili (don't mind the howls of proetest,
anybody who can eat a deer haunch whole shouldn't complain over a bit of
wolf hair) and tell us more about yourself...
Hiker (Walker in the Night... not as ominous as I sound!)
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"He dreamed he was a wolf * When you're walking alone
who dreamed he was a man * In the darkness, you can see
who dreamed he was a wolf * Things those in the light
who dreamed." * Cannot.
-The Wolf's Hour * -The Hiker
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wol...@primenet.com
>From: ddr...@UPEI.CA (D TRENT DRAKE)
>Subject: Re: A Newcomer's Visit
>Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 04:53:51 GMT
>Yes, indeed, another newcomer to the fire... I really _am_ becoming a
>weregreetingcard.
>> As I sniffed the ground, I knew something was amiss. I never remembered
(edited)
>I let my guard down for one minute...
>>Sitting, I felt surprisingly at ease. I never really felt akin to anyone.
>>Somehow...I think this may change.
(edited)
>Now, that we're not so sure about. Katmandu was a little dodgy when asked
>about the ingredients, and spoons got droopy if we let them sit in it too
>long. All I can say is, I like it!
>>Thanks Logan for the invite. <Grin>
>>Hello everyone...It warms a lonely wolf's heart to find a group such as
>this.>Until we next meet...> Wolf
>Welcome, welcome, welcome. I'm Hiker, and I know what it's like to finally
>find some true kin after years of walking alone. It's part of how I came by
>the name! Speaking of names... don't get defensive, but you really should
>find a better name than Wolf. It's a bit generic. I believe names are very
>powerful things, and if you name yourself, you should make sure it reflects
>your soul somehow. Or at least have it sound cool. Sorry, just a personal
>hang up...
>Hiker (Walker in the Night... not as ominous as I sound!)
The name...I realize it's mundane. It is also my real name: Wolf Snider. I
had my name changed when I was 18 to better mask my true nature. I make
wolf references when speaking of myself to others and try my best to
appear slightly unbalanced, so that when a bit of my beastial side DOES
sneak through and I growl at someone or howl in public, etc. then it is
dismissed as insanity...Any suggestions (from anyone) to find a were name. I
have never considered a were name. I rarely speak of the true side of me at
all, let alone give it a name. I shall give it some thought.
Wolf
SMASH GREYWOLF
: Speaking of names... don't get defensive, but you really should
: powerful things, and if you name yourself, you should make sure it reflects
: your soul somehow. Or at least have it sound cool. Sorry, just a personal
: hang up...
Wolf is fine. But perhaps we should find a second name to complement
Wolf, to set Wolf apart form the other "wolf"s in the pack. I am mundanely
called Wolf by many of my aquaintances. I am called SMASH by most,
and in some cases, SMASH GREYWOLF. Noone should ever be asked to abandon
a name, for a name is sacred. However add-names can be assigned for
convenience sake...
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>From: sm...@cse.utoledo.edu (SMASH GREYWOLF)
>Subject: Re: A Newcomer's Visit
>D TRENT DRAKE (ddr...@UPEI.CA) wrote:
>: Speaking of names... don't get defensive, but you really should
>: find a better name than Wolf. It's a bit generic. I believe names are very
>: powerful things, and if you name yourself, you should make sure it reflects
>: your soul somehow. Or at least have it sound cool. Sorry, just a personal
>: hang up...
Hiker, I must disagree with you here. Generic is often simple and sometimes
we can only describe ourselfs with simplicity as that is often what our soul
yearns for. Take my name for instance. Consulting most dictionaries, you
will find the definition for panther-cat is Ocelot and that the definition
for Ocelot is panther-cat. That is what I am. Panther cat. part cat. part
panther. part were. part human. Ocelot. Names are powerful things,
especially when it is your personal name that only you should know. That
should be more distinctive. Like wolf says below, finding a second name is
often the better way to go. Simply put, I am Ocelot but maybe qualifying
Ocelot may be in order (that is, if we find many more black panthers, but I
fear that that may be difficult as I believe us to be much rarer in this realm
then werewolves).
Just my $.02. Anyone elses?
>Wolf is fine. But perhaps we should find a second name to complement
>Wolf, to set Wolf apart form the other "wolf"s in the pack. I am mundanely
>called Wolf by many of my aquaintances. I am called SMASH by most,
>and in some cases, SMASH GREYWOLF. Noone should ever be asked to abandon
>a name, for a name is sacred. However add-names can be assigned for
>convenience sake...
... Ocelot likes the sound of SMASH GREYWOLF ... he roars in approval (cover
your ears folks, panthers are very loud) ...
Ina Faye-Lund
>
> Hmmmm. Ok, of all the AHWW pack members here, I'd probably be most qualified
> to help you, but at this hour, I just can't think of anything. Well, maybe
> when I see you tomorow.
>
> -- StaticWolf (pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu)
>
Hmm....Warg? Or, Varg, it's a Norwegian word for wolf, Graabein too....
Means...uh.....graa means grey, and bein means leg.....but it's a
rather bad translation...:=)
--
IFL
Night-Wolf
Remember, even if we hunt alone, we all howl at the same moon.
D. J. Sylvis
In a previous article, wol...@primenet.com () says:
>
>Thanks for the concern. I am trying to come up with something. Any suggestions
>would be appreciated. The only reason my name is simply just 'Wolf' and not a
>creative counterpart is that at the time it was changed (18 yrs), that is what
>I was called by others and it proved to be part of an effective mask of my
>true being. I never gave it thought past that. I do agree that a more
>interesting name is necessary for this group since another 'wolf' has already
>passed through... (Ideas suggested so far: STORM, CLAW, SNARL :each one has a
>reason, but the only one I see as possible is Storm. It represents my life...)
>
>Pondering...
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>Wolf Snider wol...@primenet.com AHWW Pack Member
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>
What are your interests, your emotions, your connections to the spirit of
the wolf and the spirit of yourself? Somewhere in that self-examination
you may find a name that would be more appropriate for you than anything we
could suggest.
As for me, I chose WolfBard because (though I don't post much stuff -- I
hate school!) I am most connected to my artistic side as a writer, actor,
and vocalist -- or as a poet, which encompasses a couple of those . . . or
as a bard, which encompasses them all. While I am by no means the only
bard we have round the fire, that is what I identify most strongly with.
Hope you find something that connects with you similarly. No matter what
name you go by, you are welcome here.
WolfBard
--
D. J. Sylvis fm...@cleveland.freenet.edu WolfBard
"Stupidity is an elemental force for which no earthquake is a match."
-Karl Kraus
Paul Gettle
>Hmm....Warg? Or, Varg, it's a Norwegian word for wolf, Graabein too....
>Means...uh.....graa means grey, and bein means leg.....but it's a
>rather bad translation...:=)
Well, we've been talking it over (yeah, we share the same territory in real
life) and we were wondering, does anyone know what the Japanese word for
wolf is?
-- StaticWolf (pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu)
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wol...@primenet.com
>In a previous article, WolfBard wrote:
(edited)
>No matter what name you go by, you are welcome here.
>WolfBard
Thank you... I needed that.
Wolf
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The worst that could happen is that it will blow back to you.
byer...@utdallas.edu
Paul Gettle (pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu) wrote:
> lun...@ifi.uio.no (Ina Faye-Lund) writes:
> >Hmm....Warg? Or, Varg, it's a Norwegian word for wolf, Graabein too....
> >Means...uh.....graa means grey, and bein means leg.....but it's a
> >rather bad translation...:=)
> Well, we've been talking it over (yeah, we share the same territory in real
> life) and we were wondering, does anyone know what the Japanese word for
> wolf is?
> -- StaticWolf (pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu)
Yep. And that's already beiong used here. Logan is wolf in Japanese.
Gevaudan
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sanbo...@wcsub.ctstateu.edu
>
>>No matter what name you go by, you are welcome here.
>>WolfBard
>
>
> Thank you... I needed that.
> Wolf
Well, Hows about soulwolf?
Funny, it just popped into my head when I read this. Please don't ask why,
things just tend to pop in and out of my head at times. Ok, well I guess
I answered why, even though I didn't want you to ask. I'm leaving now.
Simba
Natural Born Enigma
Ina Faye-Lund
In article <pgettle.793420206@hubcap>, pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu (Paul Gettle) writes:
> lun...@ifi.uio.no (Ina Faye-Lund) writes:
>
> >Hmm....Warg? Or, Varg, it's a Norwegian word for wolf, Graabein too....
> >Means...uh.....graa means grey, and bein means leg.....but it's a
> >rather bad translation...:=)
>
> Well, we've been talking it over (yeah, we share the same territory in real
> life) and we were wondering, does anyone know what the Japanese word for
> wolf is?
>
The Japanese word for wolf is Okami.
Night-Wolf
--
IFL
Asikaa the wolf
>but the only one I see as possible is Storm. It represents my life...)
I think that Stormwolf or just Storm sounds a great name.
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Wolf
>The Japanese word for wolf is Okami.
>Night-Wolf
>--
>IFL
>Remember, even if we hunt alone, we all howl at the same moon.
Well, since you know that one, any chance you know what the
japanese word for werewolf is? Or spirit? (is that kami?...)
And, while I'm at it, what is the japanese word for
bard/writer/storyteller? I really gotta take the japanese class they
offer here...time to go speak with the japanese professor too...=)
I need to tell the pack about that dream I had many years ago about
being a ninja werewolf...=)
Wolf/Okami (until later....)
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lho...@hubcap.clemson.edu | And no, I'm not a misanthrope. =) Really.
D TRENT DRAKE
suggestions >>would be appreciated. The only reason my name is simply just '
Wolf' and not a >>creative counterpart is that at the time it was changed (
18 yrs), that is what >>I was called by others and it proved to be part of
an effective mask of my >>true being. I never gave it thought past that. I
do agree that a more >>interesting name is necessary for this group since
another 'wolf' has already >>passed through... (Ideas suggested so far:
STORM, CLAW, SNARL :each one has a >>reason, but the only one I see as
possible is Storm. It represents my life...)>>
>>Pondering...
>
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>>Wolf Snider wol...@primenet.com AHWW Pack Member
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
I started it... I might as well try to help. I don't have any real
suggestions for a name for you (though after the e-mail you sent, I think I
suggested Smilely), but I can tell you the reasons I picked my name. Maybe
it'll help you find yours, who knows?
Picture it! January, 1995. I'd just delurked on AHW and was desperate for a
were name. Like I've said before, I think names are extremely important,
and any name you choose for yourself must in some way reflect your nature...
kind of a short summation of who you are. In this light, Lord Kelkemen von
WhiteWolf (sorry to bring it up) was a marvelous choice of names. But if I
go to far into that I'll just get evil...
So there I was. I'd introduced myself with a short story of sorts, about
how a lonely hitchhiker heard the cry of his kin through the woods and found
them at last. Pondering this, I did what I always do when I need to think:
I put on my coat and took a long walk in the moonlight. And somewhere
between the muddy potato field and the flooded out ditch, it hit me: Hiker.
It's a good name for me, on all sorts of levels. On the one hand it's
really prosaic. Even though I'm in horrible physical shape, I love to
walk. When I walk at night, I don't tire at all, and any little pangs of
protest from my feet are ignored in favor of finding out just what is over
that next hill. Thus: Hiker, Walker in the Night, because I actually do
hike at night.
Hiking is also very theraputic for me. When my family drives me to the
point of bloodlust, a long walk through what's left of PEI's natural
surroundings alwaysbrings me down. Whenever I'm upset, worried, or just
plain confused, hiking clears my head and allows me to think rationally
again.
The night is a very special time to me. Especially out of doors, without
all those walls and artificial lights. There is something-- I can't quite
describe it-- deeply spiritual about the dark. Because, you know, it isn't
really dark. It's just the world done in calmer, subtler tones. Everything
is bigger at night, my senses come alive in a way they never do in the day.
I feel a deep spiritual peace in the evening, and at the same time my
physical self is suddenly imbued with more vigor than is possible in
sunlight. So... Hiker, Walker in the Night, because it speaks of a deep
part of my nature.
Hiker also sums up a lot of my personal beliefs and philosophies. As a
glance at my .sig will tell you, I've noticed that what you walk in the
shadows, you can see things there that those standing in blinding light are
unaware of. Take any city street. If you stand under a streetlight, all you
see is what the streetlight illuminates. If you stand in the shadows, you
can see the things in the shadows (muggers? I'm paranoid about cities) as
well as the things under the light. It's a metaphor for the way I live my
life: always in the shadows, trying for a clearer perspective by looking
at both sides. I seem to naturally (and sometimes unwillingly) fall into
the role of go-between, mediator, keeper of secrets. And so, in a strange,
round-about way, we come back to my name again.
The very day I took the name, Holger sent me a post suggesting I call myself
Hiker, because it rhymed with Riker and it was better than looking like John
Frakes. Little did Holger know I'd already settled on Hiker... and, what
with the way I was trimming my beard at the time, I did look like Riker.
Okay, don't know how clear or exciting any of that was... just trying to
help. You obviously can't follow any path but your own, but maybe a short
journey down mine will help you set your feet on the right path. That's the
last part of the Hiker philosophy I want to pass on to you and everyone else:
The goal you seek is not so important as the journey you undertake to
acheive it.
Hiker (Walker in the Night... and to think I dropped Philosophy 101!)
michael william macklin
: japanese word for werewolf is? Or spirit? (is that kami?...)
Although it's been quite a while since I looked them up, I believe
Kami was the japanese word for 'a god' (or spiritual equivalent)
I thought that it's similarity in spelling to Okami might hopefully reveal
some evidence towards the Japanese attitude towards wolves, but I found
no connection (yet).
If anyone has something they can tell me, I'm all ears.
---Torrle
D TRENT DRAKE
>
>>but the only one I see as possible is Storm. It represents my life...)
Asikaa:
>I think that Stormwolf or just Storm sounds a great name.
and now Hiker:
While it may seem redunant, Wolf Snider has now decided to call himself
Storm. My congratulations on your new name, Storm. If you're ever up to
telling us how you came by it, you know you have at least one willing ear in
Hiker.
Kitsune
kla...@enterprise.america.com "klaatu" writes:
> Foxes, in Japanese myths, are most unfriendly creatures. They ahve powers
> that in Eurotradition are generally ascribed to the Sidhe or malicious
> fairies. They also are great tricksters, but the tricks are not designed
> to promote learning, but to create division and chaos.
I prefer to think of it as learning a harder lesson. The pace is hard, and
there is no place for failure. This is a major cultural difference between
Japanese society and the Western world. In Western eyes, the man who tries
his hardest but fails is still admired for his effort. In Japanese society,
he has been reduced to the lowest scum on the planet. There is nothing more
despicable than a defeated warrior. The treatment of Japanese PoW's in WW2
horrified the world, but was perfectly in keeping with this philosophy (which
is why many Japanese soldiers chose to die rather than surrender). I know I'm
simplifying things (it's a complex subject!), but my point is this: the lesson
is meant to be hard. You can tell everynoe to check their homes for fire
risks, but very few people will take any notice. OTOH if a house burns to
the ground, everyone else will check their homes very carefully indeed. You
lose one house, and all the others become safer.
It's meant to hurt. It's meant to be remembered. Neitsche (sp?) put it best:
"That which does not kill us, makes us stronger."
Sorry if this sounds out of character for AHWW, but there's more to it than
virtual fireside hugs. Foxes do _not_ run in packs.
> In _Ran_, there is quite a discourse on Foxes. They have the ability to
> change shape, and they are fond of substituting themselves for a person's
> loved ones, often surreptitiously replacing the bride in arranged
> marriages. They can turn themselves to stone (or if stone, become
> animate), assume almost any form, and they are fond of human blood,
> especially the blood of babies.
With the greatest respect to Kurosawa, movies are not the best place to
conduct research. There are indeed tales of kitsune (Ki-tsoo-nay, with the
last syllable cut very short: this is the proper name of the Japanese fox
spirit, and is both singular and plural) appearing as pretty maidens and
marrying handsome young warriors. These warriors are then lured into a
secluded forest and promptly eaten. But there have also been human/kitsune
marriages that last many years, and result in children (presumably also
kitsune). What can I say? Study the folklore. Do some research. Kitsune
have saved lives before, but only when it suits their purposes - and trying
to understand kitsune behaviour is like trying to understand how a cat thinks
:-)
--
Kitsune
Just because I'm cute, doesn't mean I'm cuddly.
JOHN B. MEDBERRY
If you don't want to run with a pack...then DONT!
Such offence at anothers enthusiasm is a bit harsh...but, then you have
made it quite clear that is how you prefer it.
<SPAFF> <SPAFF>
{and if you have been around long enough you will understand the reference}
{if not to bad}
Frey the Shewolf
Kitsune
> Yep. And that's already beiong used here. Logan is wolf in Japanese.
>
> Gevaudan
Since the Japanese language doesn't have the letter for 'L', I'm dubious
about that. Rogan? Hmm, I'll look into it.
Any other requests while I'm digging through lexicons? And why Japanese?
--
Kitsune "Don't look with your eyes, all they show is limitations.
See with what you already know to be true."
Kitsune
pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu "Paul Gettle" writes:
> That's strange. Wolf (the one here at Clemson) and I were told by another
> poster that Japanese for wolf is Okami. Well, Wolf (the one here at Clemson
> plans to visit the Japanese professor here and get this all cleared up.
Any news on this?
Kitsune
mac...@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca "michael william macklin" writes:
> : japanese word for werewolf is? Or spirit? (is that kami?...)
>
> Although it's been quite a while since I looked them up, I believe
> Kami was the japanese word for 'a god' (or spiritual equivalent)
> I thought that it's similarity in spelling to Okami might hopefully reveal
> some evidence towards the Japanese attitude towards wolves, but I found
> no connection (yet).
According to my 'Introduction To Modern Japanese' (Mizutani), 'kami' means
paper! So 'okami' is - honourable paper? (The 'o' is honorific).
Hmm. Maybe I need an 'Introduction To _Ancient_ Japanese' :-)
Paul Gettle
>Since the Japanese language doesn't have the letter for 'L', I'm dubious
>about that. Rogan? Hmm, I'll look into it.
>Any other requests while I'm digging through lexicons? And why Japanese?
Well Kitsune, my local pack mate Okami (the werewolf formerly known as Wolf)
decieded that his orignal name would be too confusing around here since there
there was another werewolf around here using the name Wolf. So Okami and I
started going over posibilities for new names. We decided that his deep respect
and interest in Japan and Japanese culture would be a good part of his life
to base a name off of. (When he's feeling better he's going to post the story
of a dream he had where he was a ninja werewolf) That's why Japanese.
As for other words, the list we were looking for translations for were
wolf
werewolf
spirit
spirit-wolf
night
night-wolf
I guess. I suppose I could ask Okami and see if he wanted any other words
translated.
Thank you so much from both of us. We really apreciate it Kitsune.
-- StaticWolf (pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu)
(Oops. I left my .sig at home.)
Dennis Lee Bieber
In article <794167...@metaphor.demon.co.uk> Kit...@metaphor.demon.co.uk (Kitsune) writes:
> According to my 'Introduction To Modern Japanese' (Mizutani), 'kami' means
> paper! So 'okami' is - honourable paper? (The 'o' is honorific).
>
> Hmm. Maybe I need an 'Introduction To _Ancient_ Japanese' :-)
>
_
okami (or ookami if no marks are available)
wolf
_
o has three major listed meanings: large/great/big;
king/monarch/prince; and O/oh/ah.
kami has a few major groups too: the head; God/Almighty/Creator;
paper; and hair
(Great Hair?)
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D TRENT DRAKE
>>conduct research. There are indeed tales of kitsune (Ki-tsoo-nay, with the
>>last syllable cut very short: this is the proper name of the Japanese fox
>>spirit, and is both singular and plural) appearing as pretty maidens and
>>marrying handsome young warriors. These warriors are then lured into a
>>secluded forest and promptly eaten. But there have also been human/kitsune
>>marriages that last many years, and result in children (presumably also
>>kitsune). What can I say? Study the folklore. Do some research. Kitsune
>>have saved lives before, but only when it suits their purposes - and trying
>>to understand kitsune behaviour is like trying to understand how a cat thinks
>>:-)
what the name meant. As a totally flip, ireverant rejoinder: The absolute
worst place for kitsune research is video games. I've come across more than
one that had them as bad guys or good guys, and they usually screwed them up.
>>Kitsune
>>Just because I'm cute, doesn't mean I'm cuddly.
over the SD werewolf look.)
>If you don't want to run with a pack...then DONT!
>Such offence at anothers enthusiasm is a bit harsh...but, then you have
>made it quite clear that is how you prefer it.
><SPAFF> <SPAFF>
>{and if you have been around long enough you will understand the reference}
>{if not to bad}
>Frey the Shewolf
Dear Frey: That was EXCEPTIONALLY rude. I think that Kitsune was merely
pointing out a fact of fox behavior, not implying that he didn't want to
associate with us. He's talking to us, isn't he? He said hello, he posted
interesting mythological stuff, didn't he? He can hang out if he wants to.
There's no need to be this reactionary and insulting.
Back into line, please.
Hiker
Kitsune
medb...@UWYO.EDU "JOHN B. MEDBERRY" writes:
> If you don't want to run with a pack...then DONT!
> Such offence at anothers enthusiasm is a bit harsh...but, then you have
> made it quite clear that is how you prefer it.
> <SPAFF> <SPAFF>
> {and if you have been around long enough you will understand the reference}
> {if not to bad}
>
> Frey the Shewolf
?????
Was it something I said?
klaatu
: In article <794081...@metaphor.demon.co.uk>, Kit...@metaphor.demon.co.uk (Kitsune) writes:
: >In article <3ivutt$b...@enterprise.america.com>
: > kla...@enterprise.america.com "klaatu" writes:
: >
: >> Foxes, in Japanese myths, are most unfriendly creatures. They ahve powers
: >> that in Eurotradition are generally ascribed to the Sidhe or malicious
: >> fairies. They also are great tricksters, but the tricks are not designed
: >> to promote learning, but to create division and chaos.
: >
: >I prefer to think of it as learning a harder lesson. The pace is hard, and
: >there is no place for failure. This is a major cultural difference between
: >Japanese society and the Western world. In Western eyes, the man who tries
: >his hardest but fails is still admired for his effort. In Japanese society,
: >he has been reduced to the lowest scum on the planet. There is nothing more
: >despicable than a defeated warrior. The treatment of Japanese PoW's in WW2
: >horrified the world, but was perfectly in keeping with this philosophy (which
: >is why many Japanese soldiers chose to die rather than surrender). I know I'm
: >simplifying things (it's a complex subject!), but my point is this: the lesson
: >is meant to be hard. You can tell everynoe to check their homes for fire
: >risks, but very few people will take any notice. OTOH if a house burns to
: >the ground, everyone else will check their homes very carefully indeed. You
: >lose one house, and all the others become safer.
Actually, this is rather similar in usage to Native American traditions
regarding Coyote. He's a trickster, and occasionally his tricks backfire
on him. Generally, Coyote tales are intended to be instructional.
: >
: >It's meant to hurt. It's meant to be remembered. Neitsche (sp?) put it best:
: >"That which does not kill us, makes us stronger."
: >
: >Sorry if this sounds out of character for AHWW, but there's more to it than
: >virtual fireside hugs. Foxes do _not_ run in packs.
: >
Neither do cheetahs (much) but there is much to be said for them. I
suppose if I had to be a were-anything, I guess I'd be a were-cheetah, if
it was a matter of choice. A cheesey one, with bad sungalsses and a Tom
Waits voice... but of course, as a cleverly-disguised alien
anthropologist studying the locals and their myths, I guess being a
were-anything would be out of character. (as long as we're doing the
fantasism thingy... <grinz>)
: >> In _Ran_, there is quite a discourse on Foxes. They have the ability to
: >> change shape, and they are fond of substituting themselves for a person's
: >> loved ones, often surreptitiously replacing the bride in arranged
: >> marriages. They can turn themselves to stone (or if stone, become
: >> animate), assume almost any form, and they are fond of human blood,
: >> especially the blood of babies.
: >
: >With the greatest respect to Kurosawa, movies are not the best place to
: >conduct research. There are indeed tales of kitsune (Ki-tsoo-nay, with the
: >last syllable cut very short: this is the proper name of the Japanese fox
: >spirit, and is both singular and plural) appearing as pretty maidens and
: >marrying handsome young warriors. These warriors are then lured into a
: >secluded forest and promptly eaten. But there have also been human/kitsune
: >marriages that last many years, and result in children (presumably also
: >kitsune). What can I say? Study the folklore. Do some research. Kitsune
: >have saved lives before, but only when it suits their purposes - and trying
: >to understand kitsune behaviour is like trying to understand how a cat thinks
: >:-)
: >
Actually, this was my first encounter (literarily, cinematic, or virtual)
with the Kitsune. I must admit to a certain fascination with the subject
of vampires (and varying culture's interpretations/legends regarding
them), and was utterly fascinated by the scene in _Ran_ where the evil
wife (the one who is reputed to perhaps be a magical Fox) seizes her weak
husband and drinks blood from a wound in his throat while she rapes him.
Pretty bold cinema, if you ask me.
: >--
: >Kitsune
: >Just because I'm cute, doesn't mean I'm cuddly.
Heh... that's what they told me when I was five and wondered why they had
to shoot that rabbit... the one that was foaming at the mouth and
attacking dogs... ;-}
: If you don't want to run with a pack...then DONT!
: Such offence at anothers enthusiasm is a bit harsh...but, then you have
: made it quite clear that is how you prefer it.
: <SPAFF> <SPAFF>
: {and if you have been around long enough you will understand the reference}
: {if not to bad}
: Frey the Shewolf
Um, Kitsune, thanks very much the information, it was quite enlightening!