OT: Donald Trump Jr admits that he, Kushner, and Manafort met with lawyer tied to Kremlin

[trader_4]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-jr-says-he-kushner-and-manafort-met-with-lawyer-tied-to-kremlin/2017/07/08/18b86d36-6439-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html?utm_term=.1b3d6597be2e

DOh! Big Trump campaign meeting with a lawyer tied to the Kremlin


"In a statement distributed Saturday evening, Trump Jr. confirmed he had participated in a “short introductory meeting,” which, per his request, was also attended by Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, and the chair of the Trump campaign, Paul Manafort.

“We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at that time and there was no follow-up,” Trump Jr. said in the statement. “I was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.”


Wow, just wow. This whole clan must have dumb genes. Does Trump Jr
really think anyone is going to believe this? He was asked by
someone to have a meeting with someone and he didn't even know the name
of who he would be meeting with? Would you go that meeting, without
knowing who you're meeting with? But Trump Jr didn't only go to it,
he dragged in Kushner and Manafort, without knowing who they were going
to meet. This is June 2016, Manafort is running a presidential campaign
and he has time to just go to meetings, where he doesn't know who's
coming? The Trump's believe Americans just fell off the turnip truck!


And sure, we all believe they dragged all those folks, including
Manafort, into a meeting about an adoption program that ended years ago.

[Stormin' Norman]

Death by a thousand cuts.

[trader_4]

I think this is a pretty big cut. Someone said that at least the
Nixon people told lies that were much better, harder to see that
they were lies. Of course all the media is now comparing what they
just revealed to all the denials issued for months.

[ZZyXX]

On 7/8/17 7:50 PM, trader_4 wrote:
> Wow, just wow. This whole clan must have dumb genes. Does Trump Jr
> really think anyone is going to believe this? He was asked by
> someone to have a meeting with someone and he didn't even know the name
> of who he would be meeting with? Would you go that meeting, without
> knowing who you're meeting with?

Uncle Monster would go to that meeting, no questions asked because
Hillary lost the election

[Uncle Monster]

Get over it Traitor_4ever! Donald Trump is now President of The United States and there's nothing you can do about it! Your girl HITLERy Clinton lost the election and can't continue the country destroying Moonbat policies of your Gay Mulatto Muslim Commiecrat former President Obama. Trump is not going to resign or be impeached. No matter how much you Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks howl and complain, Trump is still going to be President of The United States! There's not a damn thing you can do about it! Get over it! ┌( ಠ_ಠ)┘

[8~{} Uncle Smug Monster

[Stormin' Norman]

On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:07:37 -0700 (PDT), trader_4

I am not sure why you think it is such a big deal? The article
asserts that Kushner had previously reported the meeting in his SF-86
supplemental information.

What in the story did I overlook that you believe is so much more
significant than all the other revelations of Trump - Russia
connections?

[Shadow]

On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 12:57:04 +0000, Stormin' Norman
<nor...@schwarzkopf.invalid> wrote:

>>https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-jr-says-he-kushner-and-manafort-met-with-lawyer-tied-to-kremlin/2017/07/08/18b86d36-6439-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html

>What in the story did I overlook that you believe is so much more
>significant than all the other revelations of Trump - Russia
>connections?

None. Just more confirmations of the original revelations.
They'll have to start indexing them, there are so many.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:17:14 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:

>
> Get over it Traitor_4ever! Donald Trump is now President of The United States and there's nothing you can do about it! Your girl HITLERy Clinton lost the election and can't continue the country destroying Moonbat policies of your Gay Mulatto Muslim Commiecrat former President Obama. Trump is not going to resign or be impeached. No matter how much you Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks howl and complain, Trump is still going to be President of The United States! There's not a damn thing you can do about it! Get over it! ┌( ಠ_ಠ)┘

Goodness gracious, Uncle Monster. Calm down, or you'll do yourself
a mischief.

Cindy Hamilton

[Stormin' Norman]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 07:27:22 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:17:14 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
>
>>

>> Get over it Traitor_4ever! Donald Trump is now President of The United States and there's nothing you can do about it! Your girl HITLERy Clinton lost the election and can't continue the country destroying Moonbat policies of your Gay Mulatto Muslim Commiecrat former President Obama. Trump is not going to resign or be impeached. No matter how much you Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks howl and complain, Trump is still going to be President of The United States! There's not a damn thing you can do about it! Get over it! ?( ?_?)?

>
>Goodness gracious, Uncle Monster. Calm down, or you'll do yourself
>a mischief.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Wow, I never bother to read his posts. It appears that his Medicaid
doctors need to review his prescription drug interactions.

[Muggles]

Trump has no reason to resign, and there's absolutely no reason for him
to be impeached, either, unless it's legal to impeach a president
because the opposition doesn't like him.

--
Maggie

[trader_4]

For starters, Trump and the campaign have insisted there was never
any contact with Russia. They didn't say except for X, Y and Z.
I said long ago that if Trump had nothing to hide, believed there
was nothing there, he should have gotten his attorney to interview
all his top campaign and transition people, ask them what, if any
contact they have had, document it. Then Trump should have went
before the press and said, I don't believe my campaign did anything
wrong, we've checked, here is a list of the only contacts of any
kind that all these people have told us they had. Then you wouldn't
have this and likely other surprises to come. I know that doesn't
answer your question directly, but it's part of why this is now
important, where if it was innocent and reported by the Trump team
themselves, it wouldn't smell so bad. Yes, Donald Jr reported it
on his security clearance forms, but apparently it was leaked out
until now.

Next you have this BS story of what the meeting was about. This
lawyer is a Russian national, apparently with ties to the Kremlin.
AFAIK, she isn't involved with Russian adoptions, the claimed purpose
of the meeting. The Russian adoptions issue came about as follows.
There was a US businessman who had Putin and his thugs steal all
his businesses that he owned in Russia, going into the hundreds
of millions of dollars. He left Russia on a trip, on return he
was barred from re-entering on trumped up charges. The companies
wound up in the hands of Russian govt connected thugs. He hired
a Russian lawyer, who pursued the case for him. That lawyer wound
up arrested on trumped up tax charges and held in prison without
bail. Then he died mysteriously in prison. All that was covered
by 60 Minutes. So, Obama put sanctions
on Russians, again those connected to Putin and the govt, in
retaliation. At that point Putin blocked adoptions of Russian
babies by US citizens. That's were the Russian adoption thing
comes in. So, what's this Russian lawyer's interest in the adoption
thing? One possibility would be that if the block by Putin of
adoptions is in place, (IDK if it still is or not), but if it is
then the only angle I see in that meeting relative to that would
be for her to be offering to get Putin to lift that block in return
for the US lifting some sanctions on Russia or giving something
in concession.

That lawyer has apparently represented businesses and individuals
in Russia that have been hit by sanctions. I think she also
represented the Russians that were under investigation by the
US Attorney in NYC for money laundering via NYC real estate
purchases. That US attorney was coincidentally fired by Trump
just a few months ago. So, whatever was going on at that meeting,
it sure seems to me that it wasn't about only some adoption
issue. It had to be something very important, why would Trump Jr
drag in Kushner and Manafort? Also seems likely that with all
his running around in Russian circles, Manafort would know who
that lawyer was, what she was all about. Why was Manafort, who's
running a presidential campaign, be wasting his time on some
meeting that;s just about adoption, like Trump Jr is trying to
make it out to be? I'm sure Mueller is thinking along the same
lines.

Finally, it's interesting that the US attorney was looking into
this money laundering by Russians in NYC real estate. We know
who else is involved big time in NYC real estate. Is there any
possibility that Russians were laundering it through any Trump
properties? Trump has vehemently denied that he had any
business transactions with Russians, except for I think just
one where he sold one a condo or something. But then with
money laundering, the straw purchasers can be some corp from some
little island, when it's really Russian money, so that it
can be hidden and denied. Not saying I think this happened or
it's likely, but it's one interesting angle, isn't it?

Finally, here's a question for you. Yes, Donald Jr filled out
those security forms. Why? I thought he was the one running
the family business, divorced from the govt. So, why does he
need a security clearance? Also remember that Kushner filled
his out, didn't disclose his meetings with Russians, swore
he was telling the truth, then a day later, asked to get the
form back. I think by then he had retained Gorlick. And on
those forms they don't just casually ask if you had any meetings,
they want to know if you did, if anyone in your family did, etc.

Like you say, it's drip, drip, drip...

[Stormin' Norman]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:59:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:


I think this is a reply to my post?

>For starters, Trump and the campaign have insisted there was never
>any contact with Russia. They didn't say except for X, Y and Z.
>I said long ago that if Trump had nothing to hide, believed there
>was nothing there, he should have gotten his attorney to interview
>all his top campaign and transition people, ask them what, if any
>contact they have had, document it. Then Trump should have went
>before the press and said, I don't believe my campaign did anything
>wrong, we've checked, here is a list of the only contacts of any
>kind that all these people have told us they had. Then you wouldn't
>have this and likely other surprises to come. I know that doesn't
>answer your question directly, but it's part of why this is now
>important, where if it was innocent and reported by the Trump team
>themselves, it wouldn't smell so bad. Yes, Donald Jr reported it
>on his security clearance forms, but apparently it was leaked out
>until now.

I don't believe that Trump Jr. has security clearance, he is not a
government employee nor is he part of his father's administration. Did
I miss something? Kushner, his son-in-law, is a different story.

As for the Trump smoke, it is his trademark. Never be transparent or
forthcoming about anything without having a judge ordering you to do
so, and then, only do it after attempting to denigrate the judge and
scream that you are being victimized.

>
>Next you have this BS story of what the meeting was about. This
>lawyer is a Russian national, apparently with ties to the Kremlin.

From what I have read, it was likely a lobbying meeting, laying the
groundwork for the possible revocation of the Magnitsky Act. Whereas
this is a distasteful possibility, I don't see anything wrong with
having a meeting, with a close confidant of the future president,
about doing it. Especially since Kushner did report the meeting in
his amended SF-86.

Honestly, there is so much actual stuff to chew on, that, far reaching
speculation only confuses the matter and, if proven wrong, distracts
and diverts from the goal of removing Trump, IMHO.

>
>Finally, here's a question for you. Yes, Donald Jr filled out
>those security forms. Why? I thought he was the one running
>the family business, divorced from the govt. So, why does he
>need a security clearance? Also remember that Kushner filled
>his out, didn't disclose his meetings with Russians, swore
>he was telling the truth, then a day later, asked to get the
>form back. I think by then he had retained Gorlick. And on
>those forms they don't just casually ask if you had any meetings,
>they want to know if you did, if anyone in your family did, etc.
>
>Like you say, it's drip, drip, drip...

Again, do you actually mean to talk about Kushner when you are
referencing Trump Jr.?

I have personally been required to submit the equivalent of SF-86
forms and, they are so all encompassing, that it would be easy to
forget or neglect to include something. It is not uncommon for an
applicant to submit an amendment to the form shortly after submitting
what you think is the complete form.

After you have filled them out a few times, you learn how important it
is to be thorough, complete and honest.

[trader_4]

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-4, Stormin' Norman wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:59:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> I think this is a reply to my post?

Yes it is.

>
> >For starters, Trump and the campaign have insisted there was never
> >any contact with Russia. They didn't say except for X, Y and Z.
> >I said long ago that if Trump had nothing to hide, believed there
> >was nothing there, he should have gotten his attorney to interview
> >all his top campaign and transition people, ask them what, if any
> >contact they have had, document it. Then Trump should have went
> >before the press and said, I don't believe my campaign did anything
> >wrong, we've checked, here is a list of the only contacts of any
> >kind that all these people have told us they had. Then you wouldn't
> >have this and likely other surprises to come. I know that doesn't
> >answer your question directly, but it's part of why this is now
> >important, where if it was innocent and reported by the Trump team
> >themselves, it wouldn't smell so bad. Yes, Donald Jr reported it
> >on his security clearance forms, but apparently it was leaked out
> >until now.
>
> I don't believe that Trump Jr. has security clearance, he is not a
> government employee nor is he part of his father's administration. Did
> I miss something? Kushner, his son-in-law, is a different story.
>
>

I thought one of the story's I read yesterday said Donald Jr had reported the meeting on his corrected forms, but now I think I got that wrong, it was kushner.

As for the Trump smoke, it is his trademark. Never be transparent or
> forthcoming about anything without having a judge ordering you to do
> so, and then, only do it after attempting to denigrate the judge and
> scream that you are being victimized.
>
>
> >
> >Next you have this BS story of what the meeting was about. This
> >lawyer is a Russian national, apparently with ties to the Kremlin.
>
> From what I have read, it was likely a lobbying meeting, laying the
> groundwork for the possible revocation of the Magnitsky Act. Whereas
> this is a distasteful possibility, I don't see anything wrong with
> having a meeting, with a close confidant of the future president,
> about doing it. Especially since Kushner did report the meeting in
> his amended SF-86.

If I was a candidate I would not want my people meeting with the Russians aboutt lifting sanctions. And if that was what it was about,then clearly trump campaign people were having discussions in June 2016 with Russians tied to the Russian govt, something Trump has denied.

IDK what all that actual stuff is, what's public so far is just smoke, like this.

> >
> >Finally, here's a question for you. Yes, Donald Jr filled out
> >those security forms. Why? I thought he was the one running
> >the family business, divorced from the govt. So, why does he
> >need a security clearance? Also remember that Kushner filled
> >his out, didn't disclose his meetings with Russians, swore
> >he was telling the truth, then a day later, asked to get the
> >form back. I think by then he had retained Gorlick. And on
> >those forms they don't just casually ask if you had any meetings,
> >they want to know if you did, if anyone in your family did, etc.
> >
> >Like you say, it's drip, drip, drip...
>
> Again, do you actually mean to talk about Kushner when you are
> referencing Trump Jr.?

Yes, my bad.

[Stormin' Norman]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 10:48:04 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:


>> From what I have read, it was likely a lobbying meeting, laying the
>> groundwork for the possible revocation of the Magnitsky Act. Whereas
>> this is a distasteful possibility, I don't see anything wrong with
>> having a meeting, with a close confidant of the future president,
>> about doing it. Especially since Kushner did report the meeting in
>> his amended SF-86.
>
>
>If I was a candidate I would not want my people meeting with the Russians aboutt lifting sanctions. And if that was what it was about,then clearly trump campaign people were having discussions in June 2016 with Russians tied to the Russian govt, something Trump has denied.
>

The Magnitsky act was a bipartisan bill, codified into law in 2012 as
a form of punishment for the Russians. As for the Trump people having
meetings with people who have Russian connections, we simply need to
look at Manafort, Flynn and Page. I think this meeting is simply
another, relatively small straw on the back of the Trump camel.

Now, if the Trump administration were to try and do something about
the Magnitsky Act, that would be another kettle of fish entirely.

>> Honestly, there is so much actual stuff to chew on, that, far reaching
>> speculation only confuses the matter and, if proven wrong, distracts
>> and diverts from the goal of removing Trump, IMHO.
>
>IDK what all that actual stuff is, what's public so far is just smoke, like this.
>

Actual stuff would be Flynn, Manafort, Page, meetings with Russian
government officials, taking money from Russia, Trump encouraging the
Russians to commit crimes against Clinton, Trump's attempts to
obstruct justice / investigations related to the topic, Trump's
sharing of highly classified information with the Russian ambassador
and foreign minister, etc. The list is quite long, so long in fact
that I would need to refer to my notes to provide a comprehensive
list.

It is virtually impossible to have this much smoke without there being
a serious fire behind the scenes. However, that is what
investigations are for.

>> Again, do you actually mean to talk about Kushner when you are
>> referencing Trump Jr.?
>
>
>Yes, my bad.
>

No sweat, that is why they put erasers on pencils.

[ZZyXX]

On 7/8/17 10:17 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
> Get over it Traitor_4ever! Donald Trump is now President of The
> United States and there's nothing you can do about it! Your girl
> HITLERy Clinton lost the election and can't continue the country
> destroying Moonbat policies of your Gay Mulatto Muslim Commiecrat
> former President Obama. Trump is not going to resign or be impeached.
> No matter how much you Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks
> howl and complain, Trump is still going to be President of The United
> States! There's not a damn thing you can do about it! Get over it! ┌(
> ಠ_ಠ)┘

trump will commit suicide when he realizes just how ineffective he
is...but don't worry, steve bannon will declare the CIA did it

[Bob F]

If any one of those things was being stated against a Democratic
president, Every rightie here would be on the warpath. We know why they
think all these things are OK for Trump, and it has nothing to do with
justice.

[Stormin' Norman]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:28:02 -0700, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> It is virtually impossible to have this much smoke without there being
>> a serious fire behind the scenes. However, that is what
>> investigations are for.
>
>If any one of those things was being stated against a Democratic
>president, Every rightie here would be on the warpath. We know why they
>think all these things are OK for Trump, and it has nothing to do with
>justice.

I should probably clarify, I have no tremendous love for democrat
presidents or candidates. IMHO, this is not a partisan issue, it is
one of patriotism.

Trump is a traitor and a clear and present danger to our nation. Those
ignorant / naive / malevolent people who support him so ardently, also
represent a danger to our constitution and to the nation as a whole.

In hindsight, Obama was an adequate to good president. He was a
president who apparently cared deeply about the nation and all of our
residents, not just white Christians. However, he had serious
shortcomings and his approach to our national debt was less than
stellar.

Mrs. Clinton is a hated person and would be almost as divisive as
Trump, however, she would have been a far better president and would
have not turned our nation into the laughing stock which Trump has
transformed us into. More importantly she was not and is not a
traitor.

As I have said before, our nation would have been far better off with
John Kasich as POTUS. Our nation needs to be united and we need a
president we can respect, a person who our children can see as a role
model. As it is, many parents find themselves in the position of
having to caution their children to NOT emulate the behavior of Donald
Trump. It is a disgusting, pathetic situation, one I hope our nation
can survive without there being another civil war.

[trader_4]

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 12:30:47 AM UTC-4, ZZyXX wrote:
> On 7/8/17 7:50 PM, trader_4 wrote:
> > Wow, just wow. This whole clan must have dumb genes. Does Trump Jr
> > really think anyone is going to believe this? He was asked by
> > someone to have a meeting with someone and he didn't even know the name
> > of who he would be meeting with? Would you go that meeting, without
> > knowing who you're meeting with?
>
> Uncle Monster would go to that meeting, no questions asked because
> Hillary lost the election
>
>

That's another good one!

[Uncle Monster]

I like to frak with Traitor_4ever. It amuses me to tweak the noses of Progressive Liberal leftist Commiecrat freaks and watch them dance. ヽ(•‿•)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Amused Monster

[Frank]

Maybe he is on the George Soros payroll to bug you. Hillary gave
uranium rights to Russia for a big donation to the Clinton foundation
and speaking fees for Bill. If Trump orders Russian dressing on a salad
and they want to investigate him for Russian ties.

[Stormin' Norman]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 19:24:26 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:

>On 7/9/2017 6:38 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:17:14 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
>>>
>>>>

>>>> Get over it Traitor_4ever! Donald Trump is now President of The United States and there's nothing you can do about it! Your girl HITLERy Clinton lost the election and can't continue the country destroying Moonbat policies of your Gay Mulatto Muslim Commiecrat former President Obama. Trump is not going to resign or be impeached. No matter how much you Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks howl and complain, Trump is still going to be President of The United States! There's not a damn thing you can do about it! Get over it! ?( ?_?)?

>>>
>>> Goodness gracious, Uncle Monster. Calm down, or you'll do yourself
>>> a mischief.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>

>> I like to frak with Traitor_4ever. It amuses me to tweak the noses of Progressive Liberal leftist Commiecrat freaks and watch them dance. ?(•?•)?

>>
>> [8~{} Uncle Amused Monster
>>
>
>Maybe he is on the George Soros payroll to bug you. Hillary gave
>uranium rights to Russia for a big donation to the Clinton foundation
>and speaking fees for Bill. If Trump orders Russian dressing on a salad
>and they want to investigate him for Russian ties.

Yeah, that's it, Russian salad dressing.....

Trump is the object of investigations by a special counsel, several
house and senate committees, a number of state attorney generals and,
you, in your infinite wisdom discount all of that and attribute the
suspicions to salad dressing.

Where is your patriotism? The POTUS might very well have committed
treason against our nation and you are willing to turn a blind eye,
what a pathetic reaction.


ROFLMAO!

[Frank]

On 7/9/2017 7:51 PM, seagi...@gmail.com wrote:

> See, this is the difference between true conservatives and you trumpets.
> To start with, I don't lie and call everyone that points out that Trump
> is totally unfit to be president a liberal or on the payroll
> of Soros. That, sadly is about the only defense you trumpets have for
> Trump. I've pointed out here many times that I strongly objected to
> Hillary, that she was also had serious defects. I specifically raised
> that Russian uranium deal right here, many times, as something that
> disgusted me, that stunk to high heaven, that should be investigated,
> as an example of why she should not be president. I thought that's why
> Trump was running, to be something different, not to also create his
> own scandals. I've challenged the two of you to list all my liberal
> positions here. Of course you can't.
>
> That's the difference Frank. I have standards and apply them uniformly.
> To you, Uncle and most of the rest of the Trumpets, it's a team sport.
> You're outraged when a Democrat does something that stinks, something
> that's immoral, something that wrong. But when your guy does it,
> then you say it's just swell. I've strongly criticized Hillary. I've
> strongly criticized Trump. You two and most of the rest of the trumpets
> have never said one thing Trump did was wrong. From the juvenile tweets,
> to saying McCain is no war hero, lying about meeting Putin at 60 Mins,
> talking about blood running out of women, mocking that disabled reporter's
> disabilities, to cozying right up to Putin and refusing to defend the USA
> against the Russian meddling in the election, you can't find a single
> thing there that's ever wrong.
>
> I'm an American first. You two, just like the Hillary true believers
> are immature party hacks.
>
He was not my first choice of republicans but he has done extremely well
and nothing that conservatives would not want.

You can go hack off for all I care.

[Uncle Monster]

"Liberalism is a mental disorder." - Dr. Michael Savage. Most actors and entertainers seem to be Liberal/Leftists since they live in a land of make believe. La La Land carries over into real life so they support the likes of HITLERy Clinton and Barrack Hussein Obama our first Gay Mulatto Muslim Commiecrat President who got a lot of money from George Soros. Their supporters ignore the trail of bodies following those two around. Three if you count Bill Clinton. It's amazing how the Liberal/Leftist news media ignores all the obvious evil done by all the Commiecrat politicians. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 7/9/2017 9:04 PM, Frank wrote:

>>
> He was not my first choice of republicans but he has done extremely well
> and nothing that conservatives would not want.
>
> You can go hack off for all I care.

You can't be serious. He is going to break the backs of seniors with
his healthcare premium allowances being 5X normal. And then there is
the dumb wall . . .

I'm a conservative, he is an idiot

[Uncle Monster]

Donald Trump is gonna take away my Medicaid then send government thugs to repossess my wheelchair and throw me out on the street so I starve to death or die from lack of medical care. I hear Trump is going to order lethal injections for everyone over 65 except for the elite rich people. I'm working on fake ID and dyeing my gray hair and beard to make me appear younger but dang, I hear Trump is going to order all the disabled people to be put down. I'll have to go into hiding. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Scared Monster

[trader_4]

Trump has done nothing that conservatives would not want? ROFL

How about his love of Putin and Russia? Obama bowed before a Saudi King
and the right went nuts. Trump just met thug Putin and said he was
"honored" to meet him. Honored to meet the guy that denies freedom of
the press, invaded Ukraine and Georgia, seized Crimea, shot down MH17?
That guy? Trump thinks he's just swell and has been saying it for
months. He also said he's be honored to meet Kin Jong Un. Nice,
how conservative!

How about juvenile tweets that make the US a joke in
the world? Conservatives want that? They want children to
see that he does that, talks about blood running out of women?
Really?

Trump had big talk, the economy sucked, people were suffering.
So, where is the economic plan? Tax cuts? Hello? Instead when there
is a 220,000 new jobs number crows about it as a great thing.
A year ago, under Obama, it was 290,000, but Trump said that
was America in decline, a disaster.

And few months ago, they approved a bill with record spending,
almost nothing cut.

It's amazing how a lot of BS, mixed in with stroking fears and
bigotry can get Trump.

[trader_4]

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:48:59 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 6:24:41 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
> > On 7/9/2017 6:38 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:17:14 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Get over it Traitor_4ever! Donald Trump is now President of The United States and there's nothing you can do about it! Your girl HITLERy Clinton lost the election and can't continue the country destroying Moonbat policies of your Gay Mulatto Muslim Commiecrat former President Obama. Trump is not going to resign or be impeached. No matter how much you Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks howl and complain, Trump is still going to be President of The United States! There's not a damn thing you can do about it! Get over it! ┌( ಠ_ಠ)┘
> > >>
> > >> Goodness gracious, Uncle Monster. Calm down, or you'll do yourself
> > >> a mischief.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > I like to frak with Traitor_4ever. It amuses me to tweak the noses of Progressive Liberal leftist Commiecrat freaks and watch them dance. ヽ(•‿•)ノ
> > >
> > > [8~{} Uncle Amused Monster
> > >
> > Maybe he is on the George Soros payroll to bug you. Hillary gave
> > uranium rights to Russia for a big donation to the Clinton foundation
> > and speaking fees for Bill. If Trump orders Russian dressing on a salad
> > and they want to investigate him for Russian ties.
>
>
> "Liberalism is a mental disorder." - Dr. Michael Savage.

Yes, figures you'd quote on of the most vile, disgusting, bigoted
skunks on the radio.

[trader_4]

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 4:03:17 PM UTC-4, Stormin' Norman wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:28:02 -0700, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Breaking news. Donald Jr is changing his story, the story he just
tried to sell yesterday. Now he says the purpose of that meeting
was to give him damaging info on Hillary! OK, at least that now
explains why all those important people were at the meeting. So,
he lied yesterday when he said it was just about adopting Russian kids
and that it had nothing to do with the campaign. The truth is
starting to come out. So, he admits they had a meeting in Trump
Tower with a Russian national, a lawyer tied to the Kremlin, to
get dirt on Hillary. Very interesting.

Also it shows what a big bunch of stupid liars they all are.
He expected people to believe that crap he put out yesterday?
Why would anyone believe anything that any of the Trumps say?
They are all proven liars.

[Stormin' Norman]

I read the updated story. It is how the Trump's roll and it is the
current state of American politics. You are given an opportunity to
get dirt on your opponent and you jump at it. I don't think it is
ethical, but I suspect most politicians would take that bait.

[trader_4]

I doubt many politicians would be dumb enough to do what those
three dummies did. I agree, all political campaigns are going to
want to get dirt on opponents. But when you're running for president
and the person you're going to meet with is a Russian national tied
closely to the Kremlin, you'd have to be a real bunch of fools to
get all those people in the meeting, or probably to even have a meeting
period. If you were going to do that, you don't have the presidential
candidate's son involved and certainly not the head of his campaign.
You'd send some intermediary, someone outside the campaign, to find
out what's going on. These guys sent 3 top guns. That suggests
either they were very stupid, or they felt comfortable because there
is more to the story.

And then we have the lies. Just yesterday Donald Jrs story was that
it had nothing to do with the campaign, it was about adoptions. IDK
where he is now on his claim yesterday that he didn't know who they
were meeting with. That is obvious BS. At the very least, this looks
like another attempt by the Kremlin to screw around in our election.
It could be an operation to lure in the Trumps, get them compromised,
etc., then use it to blackmail them. But if so, then why do the Trumps
still have the love for the Russians?

Drip, drip, drip.

They have zero credibility at this point.

[sere...@yahoo.com]

YOU ASSHOLES LOST !

GET THE HELL OVER IT !

[Meanie]

On 7/10/2017 1:12 AM, sere...@yahoo.com wrote:
> YOU ASSHOLES LOST !
>
> GET THE HELL OVER IT !
>

It's their patriotic duty.......... ROFLMFAO! That's difficult to say
without laughing.

[Wade Garrett]

Tip for Democrats, liberals, and lefties: When your horse dies, it’s
time to dismount.

--
Obamacare: The Democrats destroyed the best health care in the world for
at least 200 million Americans to “insure” 7.3 million people...

[trader_4]

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 11:51:09 AM UTC-4, Wade Garrett wrote:
> On 7/10/17 7:00 AM, Meanie wrote:
> > On 7/10/2017 1:12 AM, sere...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> YOU ASSHOLES LOST !
> >>
> >> GET THE HELL OVER IT !
> >>
> >
> > It's their patriotic duty.......... ROFLMFAO! That's difficult to say
> > without laughing.
>
> Tip for Democrats, liberals, and lefties: When your horse dies, it’s
> time to dismount.
>

Tip for trumpets: When you're jockey has a very strange affection for
Putin and Russia, won't take steps to protect America from Russia,
undermines or obstructs the investigation almost every day, then
it's time for your jockey to dismount.

Besides that, he's totally incompetent. Here's an example from just
yesterday:

On Sunday at 7:50 a.m., President Trump tweeted: "Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded."

On Sunday at 8:45 p.m., President Trump tweeted: "The fact that President Putin and I discussed a Cyber Security unit doesn't mean I think it can happen. It can't-but a ceasefire can,& did!"

> --
> Obamacare: The Democrats destroyed the best health care in the world for
> at least 200 million Americans to “insure” 7.3 million people...

There sure aren't 200 mil complaining. Most people were getting healthcare
coverage from their employers and still are. Sure, there were a lot of
people negatively affected, but healthcare costs were already rapidly
rising for years, with many people unable to afford coverage. The
problems with healthcare costs and insurance didn't start with Obama.
That Obamacare somehow destroyed the whole healthcare system is a myth.

But meanwhile, what does Trump and the GOP have to offer? So far they
have NOTHING and every plan they have come up with leaves 20+ mil
less people insured. Besides empty promises, they have nothing so far.

[Uncle Monster]

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 10:14:19 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:48:59 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 6:24:41 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
> > > On 7/9/2017 6:38 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:27:28 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:17:14 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Get over it Traitor_4ever! Donald Trump is now President of The United States and there's nothing you can do about it! Your girl HITLERy Clinton lost the election and can't continue the country destroying Moonbat policies of your Gay Mulatto Muslim Commiecrat former President Obama. Trump is not going to resign or be impeached. No matter how much you Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks howl and complain, Trump is still going to be President of The United States! There's not a damn thing you can do about it! Get over it! ┌( ಠ_ಠ)┘
> > > >>
> > > >> Goodness gracious, Uncle Monster. Calm down, or you'll do yourself
> > > >> a mischief.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > > > I like to frak with Traitor_4ever. It amuses me to tweak the noses of Progressive Liberal leftist Commiecrat freaks and watch them dance. ヽ(•‿•)ノ
> > > >
> > > > [8~{} Uncle Amused Monster
> > > >
> > > Maybe he is on the George Soros payroll to bug you. Hillary gave
> > > uranium rights to Russia for a big donation to the Clinton foundation
> > > and speaking fees for Bill. If Trump orders Russian dressing on a salad
> > > and they want to investigate him for Russian ties.
> >
> > "Liberalism is a mental disorder." - Dr. Michael Savage.
>
> Yes, figures you'd quote on of the most vile, disgusting, bigoted
> skunks on the radio.
>
>

Yaaa! Absolute proof now that Traitor_4ever is a Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freak Politically Correct Trans Intellectual Anthropogenic Climate Change Weasel Obama Worshiping HITLERy Clinton Supporter! Anyone who hates the irascible Dr. Michael Savage because he speaks the truth is an obvious Commiecrat. Poor Traitor_4ever, do you stick your fingers in your ears and say "la la la la..." whenever you hear someone speak the truth? Perhaps you run away at the same time? Get over it Traitor_4ever! Donald Trump is now President of The United States and there's not a damn thing you can do about it! Get your fellow Commiecrats together and vote against him in the next election or maybe you could get your own radio program and rally your fellow PLLCF behind you, take over the country and implement all the Moonbat policies you support but like all of those of your ilk you'd want government to do it at the point of a gun. It funny how when you anti gun PLLCF get into power that you want government to point guns at the peasants to make them obey your wishes. Gawd! I'm so glad you ilk no longer controls the government and that the purge is going on. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Deplorable Monster

[Stormin' Norman]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 21:16:11 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:


>I doubt many politicians would be dumb enough to do what those
>three dummies did.

><Snipped for brevity>

>
>Drip, drip, drip.
>
>They have zero credibility at this point.

Everyone knows, the Trump's lie, cheat and steal. Everyone also knows
they are not very bright.

That said, I am sure that all the investigations will look at this,
but, I would be surprised if this one incident, by itself, made a big
difference.

As I said previously, Trump is committing suicide by cutting himself
deeply, with a serrated knife, a thousand or more times.

It is very disappointing to have a president that is as lacking in
intelligence as Donald Trump.

[Wade Garrett]

Try being informed instead of just opinionated ;-)

--
You are entitled to your own views. You are not entitled to your own facts.

[trader_4]

And which facts specifically are you alleging are not true? Or are you
just a trumpet who can't engage on facts, so they resort to the above?

[trader_4]

As Homer would say, Doh!


Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign

WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email."


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-email-candidacy.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

I told you this was going to be big!

[Uncle Monster]

I know Russians right here in Birmingham, Al. They had no effect on my vote for anyone. I didn't see any Russians at the polling station trying to influence the vote but I did see operatives for the Democrat Party handing out literature to people as they arrived to vote. I wish I'd had my tablet with me at the time so I could have recorded video. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Vote Monster

[Bob F]

And now the news is out. Don Jr was emailed before the meeting that the
data he was meeting to get was coming from the Russian government.

[T]

This is nothing new from the left. Here is a YUGE
leftist chiming in:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it. The lie
can be maintained only for such time as the State
can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus
becomes vitally important for the State to use all
of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth
is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension,
the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-- Joseph Goebbels

[trader_4]

Yes, but why are you telling us about Trump? The above is EXACTLY
what Trump is doing, telling lies. To be sure, he's not that good
at it, the only ones he's fooling are you trumpets. The rest of
us watch him tell one whopper after another. Whether it was if he
met Putin at 60 Mins, which he lied about at the debate, to lies
about the black on white crime statistics, lies about seeing Arabs
celebrating in JC on 9/11, lies about having the biggest electoral
college win since Reagan.

And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Just Saturday, when
confronted by some of what the NY Times has found out, Donald Jr
claimed that he had a meeting with someone, he didn't know who it
was going to even be, about Russian adoptions. He said it had
nothing to do with the campaign. The NY Times played
him like the lying fool he is. They didn't tell him what else they had.
They waited for him to put out his BS story. Then on Sunday, they
told him they knew the meeting was really about this person giving
the Trump campaign dirt on Hillary. So, 24 hours later, it's a new
story, yeah, that's what it was about, but heh, they talked about
adoption too. ROFL.

And now it's just come out that there is even more. Apparently there
is an email that Donald Jr received before the meeting telling him
that the RUSSIANS WANTED TO HELP HIS CAMPAIGN! No wonder he has now
lawyered up.

ROFL

You trumpets will stick with the Trumptanic all the way to the bottom.
Actually, given their characters, that's where it started anyway.

[Stormin' Norman]

As more and more details emerge, I have to say, this is looking more
and more serious.

Papa Trump must be really pissed off with Jr. for talking about all
this.

It will be interesting to see senior throw junior under the bus.

[trader_4]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:56:18 AM UTC-4, Stormin' Norman wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 20:41:02 -0700, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 7/10/2017 11:18 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
> >> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 21:16:11 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> >> <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I doubt many politicians would be dumb enough to do what those
> >>> three dummies did.
> >>
> >>> <Snipped for brevity>
> >>>
> >>> Drip, drip, drip.
> >>>
> >>> They have zero credibility at this point.
> >>
> >> Everyone knows, the Trump's lie, cheat and steal. Everyone also knows
> >> they are not very bright.
> >>
> >> That said, I am sure that all the investigations will look at this,
> >> but, I would be surprised if this one incident, by itself, made a big
> >> difference.
> >>
> >> As I said previously, Trump is committing suicide by cutting himself
> >> deeply, with a serrated knife, a thousand or more times.
> >>
> >> It is very disappointing to have a president that is as lacking in
> >> intelligence as Donald Trump.
> >>
> >
> >And now the news is out. Don Jr was emailed before the meeting that the
> >data he was meeting to get was coming from the Russian government.
>
> As more and more details emerge, I have to say, this is looking more
> and more serious.
>

Yes, I told you so, but even I'm surprised at how quickly the lies fell
apart. Now we know why Manafort and Kushner were there, why they thought
this was so important. They have Donald Jr on video, just a week or two
after this meeting, being asked about the allegations about Russia and
he was denying anything. He, the campaign, the president, all have flat
out denied that there was any contact at all every time asked. We have
Donald Jr on video just a few months ago denying. Now you have it.
If I was someone like Sessions, who seems to have great difficulty
remembering whether the Russian ambassador was in a reception room,
I'd be thinking this sure doesn't help his denials either.

Then you have the timeline, which needs to be put together on a chart.
It was the following month that candidate Trump called on the Russians
to release the rest of Hillary's emails if they have them. Knowing
how his mind works, how stupid he is, how he likes to incriminate
himself, I find it hard to believe that he didn't know he had his people
working with the Russians to at least get that if not more.

You have the stories about that Smith guy, the 80 year old, who reportedly
told people he was talking to Russians about getting those emails and
getting them to Flynn. You have Roger Stone admitting he was in contact
with Gucifer. And you have the explanation for the strange fondness that
Trump has for Putin.

James Clapper said this would be worse than Watergate. Also of note is
that like you said before, the fact that there was this meeting must have
been known for a long time, yet now it comes to something big time,
because only now we finally get the details.
The email here that they have, assuming it's true, where they told Donald Jr
that the Russians were helping, where did it come from? Would seem likely
that would have been intercepted by NSA, etc in it's surveillance of the Russians. What else like that do they have, that will come out? And
that kind of email sure sounds like the things that the intel community
said they saw, communications between the Russians and the campaign,
that alarmed the intel community.

It also shows why Trump couldn't do what I said a smart, innocent man would
do, ie to get all his people interviewed, on the record, as to any meetings
they had, when, where, about what. They could have tried, but it would
have been lying.

It's also interesting how fast Donald Jr was proved a liar, just 24 hours.
NY Times reeled him in one hook at a time. What do you think he will say
now, about that email? I'm betting he says he's referring it all to his
lawyer now. We should know today.

> Papa Trump must be really pissed off with Jr. for talking about all
> this.
>
> It will be interesting to see senior throw junior under the bus.

More likely it's about time for court jester Trump to start with some
stupid tweets that make it worse, further incriminate them all, etc.
There is also Trump in that video he did with the Russian star
who is involved with this, I'm sure that will be on the joke circuit
now. That poor WH must be in chaos today. And like with WG, how
much of the WH is involved in any of this, knows about it? How many
are just useful idiots, now scared as the net closes in?

You know what AFAIK, has never been covered? How did Manafort come to
be Trump's campaign manager? How did they come in contact, who initiated
the first contact, etc. You and I know how Russian intel, or any
intel for that matter, operates. You have Manafort who has worked for
pro-Russian puppets, supported by Putin, in Ukraine for years, he's
made millions, maybe tens of millions according to some data. You know
he's a former GOP campaign manager. What would you do, if you were the
Russians? You'd see if you could get him inserted into the campaign,
to have someone close to the future president, who's at least friendly,
if not worse, to your interests. And that's just in normal times.
When you have an active campaign to screw with elections, to undermine
democracy here, it would be incredible if you didn't try it. So, how
did Manafort wind up there? You have any idea? Could be some Trump
people like Sessions, Giuliani were brainstorming and came up with the
idea. Or it could be that there was another phone call, another Russian
stooge, that planted the idea, set it up. And then, any decent, normal
candidate would have taken one look at his resume, seen he worked for
Russian puppets in Ukraine, and stayed away from him. To Trump apparently
his background was A OK. Again either he's incredibly stupid, thinks
that the folks he was working with in Ukraine is just like working with
someone helping the govt of Holland, or maybe he was OK with more "help"
from the Russians? I'm sure there is going to be investigation into
exactly how M came to be his manager and there could be big trouble
there.

[Stormin' Norman]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 07:33:36 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:


>
>Yes, I told you so, but even I'm surprised at how quickly the lies fell
>apart.

"I told you so"? Trader, we are not going to get anywhere if you
insist on impersonating my late mother-in-law...... ;-)

>Now we know why Manafort and Kushner were there, why they thought
>this was so important. They have Donald Jr on video, just a week or two
>after this meeting, being asked about the allegations about Russia and
>he was denying anything. He, the campaign, the president, all have flat
>out denied that there was any contact at all every time asked. We have
>Donald Jr on video just a few months ago denying. Now you have it.
>If I was someone like Sessions, who seems to have great difficulty
>remembering whether the Russian ambassador was in a reception room,
>I'd be thinking this sure doesn't help his denials either.

To be direct, there is nothing in the criminal code about meeting with
a private foreign national who claims to have information about your
political opponent. Does it look bad, yes, it does.

>
>Then you have the timeline, which needs to be put together on a chart.
>It was the following month that candidate Trump called on the Russians
>to release the rest of Hillary's emails if they have them. Knowing
>how his mind works, how stupid he is, how he likes to incriminate
>himself, I find it hard to believe that he didn't know he had his people
>working with the Russians to at least get that if not more.
>
>You have the stories about that Smith guy, the 80 year old, who reportedly
>told people he was talking to Russians about getting those emails and
>getting them to Flynn. You have Roger Stone admitting he was in contact
>with Gucifer. And you have the explanation for the strange fondness that
>Trump has for Putin.

Trader, you are presenting all of these tidbits as if I have not been
writing, since my arrival in this group last year, that Trump and his
people have colluded with the Russians and are traitors.

>
>James Clapper <snipped for brevity>

You went to a lot of troubled to produce a lengthy, if not somewhat
speculative indictment, and I appreciate the effort.

However, I eat my elephants one bite at a time, and I do not feel
enough has come to light, as of yet, to start composing either opening
or closing arguments for the impeachment case against Trump. I do
believe there is more than enough justification to continue all the
assertive investigations of the situation.

[trader_4]

I agree, both you and I so many other Americans that care about the
country just want a complete investigation so we can find out all the
facts and then make a final determination. That's on the Russian part.
Aside from the Russian thing, Trump is still an incredibly unfit person
to be president, for all the obvious reasons. But being a juvenile
court jester apparently is not impeachable. And while he's mental,
I have doubts that he's mental enough to remove via the 25th. But
then he's getting weirder with those tweets, like saying that at G20
everyone is talking about Podesta's emails? Maybe if he starts saying
that Hillary is hiding under his bed, that would be enough? But the
trumpets like Uncle and such would tell us that;s OK too.

What do you think about the fact that AFAIK, no one has figured out
how Manafort came to be in the campaign?

[Stormin' Norman]

My faded memory is that Manafort came to Trump via Roger Stone.

This article provides some insight: http://nyti.ms/2v91LyU


This article provides some interesting information about Manafort and
his Russian connections:

https://apnews.com/666ba37f2fc44dea82a12a180ceebc2e/ap-exclusive-manaforts-plan-advance-putins-interests



The lesson to be learned here is; if you are running for a high
political office, and you want to be squeaky clean, your first hire
should be a competent private investigative firm to vet all of your
other hires.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 09 Jul 2017 02:59:12 +0000, Stormin' Norman
<nor...@schwarzkopf.invalid> wrote:

>
>>
>>And sure, we all believe they dragged all those folks, including
>>Manafort, into a meeting about an adoption program that ended years ago.
>
>Death by a thousand cuts.

Trump surely thought his status and prestige would rise if he were the
President, but I see it differently. I think I was like most people who
before didn't know much about him but thought he was a very good
businessman and an adequate TV show host.

Now I know he's a constant liar, and I have no doubt succeeded in
business in large part because he lied a lot and sometimes becuase he
cheated people, that he pretends to give to charity but gives little or
nothing, that he's a molester of women, an enemy of a free press,
willing to praise and even cooperate with the enemies of the US while
trying to smearing some of its best citizens, that he's narcissistic and
can't accept criticism, and so many other faults I can't remember them
all.

He says he wants to make America great again (as if we're not still) but
if he succeeds his plans will make America small again, like before WWI.

At the G20 conference, regardless of where it was held, the US would
have been the de facto chairman, but now we're just one of many. The
next NATO conference, same thign, we'll be one of many. Same for UN
meetings, and other international organization, and international trade.
And that's the first step. After a couple years, we'll be stuffed onto
the sidelines while Europe, China, Russia, and Japan rule the roost.

Yes, Rump will make us small again.

He and Nixon are tied for last in the history of American presidents,
but Rump has only had 6 months. At the rate he's going he'll be worst
by 30 furlongs.

[Stormin' Norman]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 15:52:12 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

Have confidence, our nation is far stronger than, Trump, Russia and
our other enemies combined.

Trump is nothing but a distasteful lesson and a rapidly diminishing
blip on the radar scope of our history. We the people are rapidly
moving towards removing him and censuring those who support him.

We will prove to the world that the American experiment is still a
shining city upon on a hill and we will prove that by eliminating the
scourge that is the Trump administration.

[trader_4]

At least Nixon had some big accomplishments, eg China, detente with the USSR,
ending the Vietnam war, creating the EPA. So far, Trump, not so much.

[Stormin' Norman]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:59:02 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>> He and Nixon are tied for last in the history of American presidents,
>> but Rump has only had 6 months. At the rate he's going he'll be worst
>> by 30 furlongs.
>
>At least Nixon had some big accomplishments, eg China, detente with the USSR,
>ending the Vietnam war, creating the EPA. So far, Trump, not so much.

Actually, Trump is competing with Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan
for worst POTUS, IMHO.

Trump makes Nixon look like an altar boy.

[ZZyXX]

On 7/11/17 1:59 PM, trader_4 wrote:
> At least Nixon had some big accomplishments, eg China, detente with the USSR,
> ending the Vietnam war, creating the EPA. So far, Trump, not so much.

trumps greatest accomplishment will be to prove to the people that while
they have the power to elect incompetents, they also have the power to
eject despots

[rbowman]

On 07/11/2017 01:52 PM, micky wrote:
> He says he wants to make America great again (as if we're not still) but
> if he succeeds his plans will make America small again, like before WWI.
>
> A

One can only hope but I'd go for before the Spanish-American War set the
US off on its conquest of a quasi-empire.