From Radulescu, to the ladies and gentlemen offering help
Simon Magid
>>a missive carried to the Tremere John Benedict of Copenhagen. The
>>matter is somewhat complicated by the fact that Benedict hates me and
>>would like to see me dead, and by the fact that wherever Benedict is
>>now, he will certainly only be possible to reach if one is either a
>>Camarilla Tremere, or alternately, of the rank of Prince or higher...
>>Cristian Radulescu, devil dealing with the Tremere
Steerpike:
>I am a Tremere of reasonable prestige and I have more status within the
>Camarilla than most basic Princes. I *could* deliver the missive for you,
>though I require assurances that is no form of trap or test.
I cannot blame you. I would no more expect a Camarilla Tremere to
blindly trust me than I would blindly trust him.
Unless I was _really_ successful at tricking him, of course. I am only
rarely that successful, but I treasure it whenever I am... *brilliant
smile*
>>Cristian Radulescu, devil dealing with the Tremere
>Really ? I certainly hope not. Devils scare the heck out of me :(
I cannot say that I blame you. Believe me, even _I_ consider them
altogether too... entertaining... for comfort.
>I wouldn't require payment, although I am not entirely certain I like the idea
>of becoming known as a "messenger-boy". Consider it a favour (but not one
>I'll ever intend to entrap you with).
>If you wish to deal with me on this matter, let me know and I can have the
>letter delivered by the end of next week (I *am* in the middle of something
>just this second).
Well, if you will let me clarify a bit below...
>Yours Sincerely,
>
>Steerpike
>I have Clan contacts in Copenhagen who may be able to assist you.......
>but I'd have to check.
>Plus you'd be entrusting your message to the Nosferatu;) Take that
>anyway you want.
And here is the meat of the matter.
The reason I approached miss Taylor was that I had information from an
in my opinion extremely reliable source that she was not only
intelligent but also possessed of a great deal of integrity, and these
are both important in my choice of courier. My source -- the late
Yvette -- had little reason to like me, but she _did_ share a common
interest with me, and while we were discussing how to achieve it she
told me of which persons here she considered to be the most
trustworthy.
Yvette said that of all the Tremere she had ever met, Natalie Taylor
was one of those she considered most trustworthy. Of these, only John
Benedict ranked higher than her. To quote Yvette precisely: 'Loads of
these guys are goddamn secretive and mysterious because they think it
makes 'em seem powerful and frightening. Too bad for them that all it
does is make 'em seem like prats. Bollocks to them, I say. Give me one
like Natalie any time over some dork cackling about his vast arcane
might. She's intelligent, quick-witted and has a sense of duty I can't
but admire. She's also one of the damn few Licks I've ever met who's
worth the blood she guzzles."
In combination with the brief glimpse I caught of her in Austin, this
made me decide that she was trustworthy enough to give her something
to carry along with the message... objects that could certainly cause
my destruction, were they to fall into the wrong hands. I fear that I
do not know you well enough to extend you that trust, mr. Steerpike.
As for you, Miss Iona... Yvette spoke highly of you, as well, but I do
not think that you have any chance of reaching mr. Benedict where he
is now.
I am sorry. But if miss Natalie will not help me, I must find another
Camarilla Tremere to help me. Another one I dare extend that trust to.
These are about as common as square eggs...
>Iona
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce racing towards his own destruction
Iona
> Miss Iona... Yvette spoke highly of you, as well, but I do
>not think that you have any chance of reaching mr. Benedict where he
>is now.
No problem, Mr Radulescu. Yvette spoke of you to in favourable terms. I
would like to think she had not misplaced her sense of judgement and
that in helping you I might repay some of what she gave me.
>
>I am sorry. But if miss Natalie will not help me, I must find another
>Camarilla Tremere to help me. Another one I dare extend that trust to.
>These are about as common as square eggs...
>
>>Iona
>
>Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce racing towards his own destruction
I hope you manage to do what you have to do.
--
Iona
Mark Bradley
Magid) wrote:
> Well, if you will let me clarify a bit below...
>
[Ch-ch-ch-chia snip!]
> In combination with the brief glimpse I caught of her in Austin, this
> made me decide that she was trustworthy enough to give her something
> to carry along with the message... objects that could certainly cause
> my destruction, were they to fall into the wrong hands. I fear that I
> do not know you well enough to extend you that trust, mr. Steerpike.
> As for you, Miss Iona... Yvette spoke highly of you, as well, but I do
> not think that you have any chance of reaching mr. Benedict where he
> is now.
>
> I am sorry. But if miss Natalie will not help me, I must find another
> Camarilla Tremere to help me. Another one I dare extend that trust to.
> These are about as common as square eggs...
>
Aw man...I'm really sorry, Christian. I don't know about all the integrity
stuff, but I wouldn't trust me with carrying a snowball through the Tundra
right now. Like ol' Tupac said, 'All Eyes On Me'. My associate from the
Wake, John Stewart, seems to have kept his mouth shut, but I can't be sure
if he really has. The Clanless Info Network doesn't always hook into the
Clan Info Network here, but sometimes it does.
You want your message delivered with a minimum of fuss and blather, and if
I get ahold of it, that ain't gonna happen. I would hate for you to get
caught in my political problems in the quest to solve your own.
>
> Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce racing towards his own destruction
Natalie Taylor
Stephanie Bradley at...@netcom.com
Darrien
>>>As a matter of fact, it is not about knowledge. Rather, I need to have
>>>a missive carried to the Tremere John Benedict of Copenhagen. The
>>>matter is somewhat complicated by the fact that Benedict hates me and
>>>would like to see me dead, and by the fact that wherever Benedict is
>>>now, he will certainly only be possible to reach if one is either a
>>>Camarilla Tremere, or alternately, of the rank of Prince or higher...
>>>Cristian Radulescu, devil dealing with the Tremere
>Well, if you will let me clarify a bit below...
>
<snip>
>In combination with the brief glimpse I caught of her in Austin, this
>made me decide that she was trustworthy enough to give her something
>to carry along with the message... objects that could certainly cause
>my destruction, were they to fall into the wrong hands. I fear that I
>do not know you well enough to extend you that trust, mr. Steerpike.
>As for you, Miss Iona... Yvette spoke highly of you, as well, but I do
>not think that you have any chance of reaching mr. Benedict where he
>is now.
>
>I am sorry. But if miss Natalie will not help me, I must find another
>Camarilla Tremere to help me. Another one I dare extend that trust to.
>These are about as common as square eggs...
<whismical smirk>
It is perhaps unfortunate that I cannot gain a reccomendation from someone who
is already dead, but it is not something that I'll let haunt me.
By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root of
this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
them (and hence all wraiths).
Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was never
told how.
Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my clan
prevent this ?
I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
Steerpike
--
Clan Tremere, Seneschal of Exeter, Blood Researcher,
Librarian of the True History in Exeter
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David Townsend
from dar...@morpheus.rmta.org (Darrien) contains these words:
> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
> The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
> friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
> at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root of
> this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
> that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
> them (and hence all wraiths).
I should be very interested to hear more on this matter. It matches
with certain information that I have received from the Giovanni and
it worries them no end.
> Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was never
> told how.
> Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my clan
> prevent this ?
I, for my part, have always found the Tremere to be highly reliable.
I have had a number of disputes with them, mostly with Doctor Dee if
truth be told, yet I have never had to doubt the information I
receive when a matter of the security of the realm is concerned.
> I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
> diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
Indeed, it took me some thirty seven years and fourteen deaths to get
o'er the diablerising of one of my Childe.
> Steerpike
> --
> Clan Tremere, Seneschal of Exeter, Blood Researcher,
> Librarian of the True History in Exeter
Lord Strange.
Darrien
>The message <3692d64c...@rmta.dyndns.com>
> from dar...@morpheus.rmta.org (Darrien) contains these words:
>
>> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>
>> The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
>> friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
>> at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root of
>> this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
>> that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
>> them (and hence all wraiths).
>
>I should be very interested to hear more on this matter. It matches
>with certain information that I have received from the Giovanni and
>it worries them no end.
I'll bet; they must hate for there to be a captive soul out there that they
did not imprison themselves.
What I know:
- At the Austin Wake Funeral, Fuchsia performed a ritual that had been given
to her by Wraiths from the Shadowlands.
- Wraiths on the other side were supposed to ensure that Yvette's soul passed
through the Shadowlands freely and that she did not become one of their
number. They found that she was neither there nor had she ever been.
- They located her soul on our side of the Umbra (here is where I get sketchy
since I thought there was only one Umbra, but Fuchsia was telling me about all
these different kinds and I lost track). Basically, her soul is still on
Earth/the prime material plane/what-have-you. It must have been captured in
some way or another (Giovanni soul-stealing ?).
- They attempted to fufil their ritual by rescuing the soul, but were driven
back by some powerful wards. The magician was not doubt aware of their
efforts, but the Spooks failed to recover the soul. Hence, a thamaturge or
magi must be involved.
- Fuchsia relieved the Spooks commitment to this matter when she learnt of the
above and was supposed to follow up on it. However, a Giovanni killed her
(coincidence ?).
>> Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was never
>> told how.
>> Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my clan
>> prevent this ?
>
>I, for my part, have always found the Tremere to be highly reliable.
>I have had a number of disputes with them, mostly with Doctor Dee if
>truth be told, yet I have never had to doubt the information I
>receive when a matter of the security of the realm is concerned.
It is not the security of the realm, but rather the security of Yvette that is
in question.
For my part, I just read of Radulescu's diablerie of one of my clan. I'm
afraid that I can neither forgive nor forget that and I have seen nothing to
indicate that he was in some way forced into defending himself by ripping the
soul from one of my Clan's blood. I take back any offer of a favour and
advise him to steer clear of me if we ever meet in the flesh.
>> I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
>> diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
>Indeed, it took me some thirty seven years and fourteen deaths to get
>o'er the diablerising of one of my Childe.
I am pacifist... it makes the need for self-control that much more difficult
:(
Steerpike
--
Clan Tremere, Seneschal of Exeter, Blood Researcher,
Librarian of the True History in Exeter
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Jacynthe
> For my part, I just read of Radulescu's diablerie of one of my clan. I'm
> afraid that I can neither forgive nor forget that and I have seen nothing to
> indicate that he was in some way forced into defending himself by ripping the
> soul from one of my Clan's blood. I take back any offer of a favour and
> advise him to steer clear of me if we ever meet in the flesh.
Steerpike...I commend your Clan loyalty. But in this case, it's
misplaced. The Warlock (and I mean *Warlock*, not Tremere) Cristian
destroyed was called Tachi, and he was the Regent of the chantry here in
Refuge. So you understand the full story, I'm going to have go back a
bit.
Eight years ago, the city of Refuge was at war with the Sabbat of
Abenegdor, just across the river. It wasn't going well, to say the least.
We were pretty much stalemated. The Sabbat sent in a scouting party, and
they really, truly knew their business. When they left, they'd managed to
kidnap several mortals of importance (to the Kindred, that is: retainers,
vital contacts, descendants, lovers, in some cases, Ghouls.) They sent
word to the Prince and Primogen that unless we surrendered the city to
them, we would find ourselves fighting our loved ones in the next wave.
Aside from the emotional impact, the security problem this presented was
incredible: many of those taken were key players in information networks,
and vital to covering up Masq breaks--*very* vital in wartime. Our info
systems had broken down, our Masquerade security was now vulnerable. We
had to get them back.
So the Prince sent for a certain coterie: mine. My Regnant was alive
then, and he led us. Our orders were very simple: either free the
mortals, or kill them, so they couldn't be used against us. We knew the
Sabbat had at least one Thaumaturge among them, maybe more. So we went to
the Tremere, and asked if they would send us someone to provide magical
back-up and possibly disable any magical traps.
Tachi gave us Giles.
We made the river crossing, got past the first few layers of security--and
into the compound. Giles led us down one corridor, saying he didn't dare
risk the wards on the other approach. Then we were ambushed. Giles
disappeared. At first, we thought he'd gone to get help, so we held the
line as best we could. Grant and Evan died in the first wave. We started
to retreat, and Mina died protecting the rear.
Giles never came back.
By then, we realized we were on our own. By purest chance, we found the
holding cell the mortals were in. Jules died because of some
thrice-damned Thaum-rigged trap. Perry ordered me to get the mortals out.
I had to leave him, I had no choice, I...
I did as I was told. And I was captured at the border. The mortals died.
They dragged me back, half-concious from their beatings. They'd already
captured Perry, and we were both chained up. And then Giles walked in.
Not a hair out of place, not a wrinkle in his clothes. I can still see
how his hair gleamed under the lamps.
The Sabbat greeted him, and thanked him for his help. They called him
brother. And then they began to interrogate us.
Interrogate? No, I'll call it what it was: torture, physical and mental
torment to break our wills and make us talk.
Giles helped. Giles offered suggestions. Giles confirmed the truths they
got out of us and revealed the lies we tried to weave to decieve the
Sabbat and protect our people. They never laid a hand on him. They
called him 'brother', said he'd proven himself, and he was one of them,
now.
Giles told me all the pain was my fault. It was my just punishment, for
thinking of myself instead of others. My selfishness, he said, had
borught it all on. If I'd been reared properly, like a Tremere, to think
of the Elders before myself, I would have seen that the best solution was
to let the Sabbat have the city and smuggle the Elders out to safety.
ANd then Giles told them I was Blood Bound to Perry. And what was bad got
indescribably worse. Then they went too far, and killed Perry. You've
been Bound, Steerpike, if only as a Ghoul. Imagine that Bond shattering.
Imagine your heart's own, just out of reach, suffering torment anfter
torment, and being unable to help. And one of your own, laughing on the
sidelines.
I don't know what happened after that. When I came to my senses again,
the Sabbat pack was dead. I'd killed them all. And I held Giles' head in
my hand, by the hair. It was still draining, and I could see the pulpy
bit of his spinal cord, the shattered vertebrae.
I'd literally ripped his head off.
I spent two more days in that charnel pit., until I'd healed enough to
walk. Then I went home. And then I found it wasn't over.
Tachi didn't believe Giles was the traitor. He accussed me of
collaborating with the enemy. He swore that he would have *known* if
Giles had turned traitor. *I* must be the real traitor..
He tried to have me tried in front of the Council. He got into my head
with his damned Dominate and his five-times damned Auspex. HE tore my
mind apart, Steerpike. When he was finished, I had nothing left that
was secret or private. He raped me without ever laying a finger on me.
In the end, he couldn't prove anything, but he never withdrew his charge.
And he never forgot.
Over time, we made an uneasy peace with Abenegdor. There was even talk
about making our cities open to all. Turns out there were parties on both
sides--both Cam and Sabbat. Someone on our side sent a messenger to
parley with the Sabbat--and neglected to mention the explosives packed in
the kid's abdominal cavity. I still don't know the body count on that
one--the kid sure as hell died, and the Sabbat got a mite pissed about an
attack made under a truce flag.
Then...Tachi sold us out. I don't know who made the overture or when, but
he worked *with* a Sabbat Thaumaturge to rig the ultimate boody-trap.
He...took the blood of a Sabbat member, and did some kind of ritual, put
it in a physical object. Three seperate objects. And then he sent them
to me. On three seperate nights. I've been Blood Bound to someone I"ve
never even seen, Steerpike, and that damn Warlock set it up.
He used correspondences I'd written to Sabbat members here on the NG, used
the fact that I'd sheltered and vouched for an Anarch who turned to the
Sabbat, as proof that I was a traitor, or at least spying for them. And
his last move would have been to reveal that I was Blood Bound to a
Sabbat, and apparently had been for some time, thus rendering *Everything*
I've ever done for my city suspect.
You can get the full details of Tachi's treason from John Benedict, the
Tremere Primogen of Copenhagen, if you don't want to believe me.
Apparently, he was investigating it.
Hate Cristian if you want to, Steerpike, but pick a better reason than
Tachi. That miserable bastard sold me into slavery because I made him
look a fool. He tried to re-ignite a war that had, at the cost of
countless lives--at last cooled. For nothing but pride. The bastard got
what he deserved.
Is someone like Tachi *really* what you want to defend? What strengths
and truths of Clan Tremere did *he* uphold? How far are you going to go
for a Judas? If you believe so...make your arguments to the shades of
Mina, Grant, Evan, and Jules. Try telling it to me.
Jesstyn Calliope
Clan Brujah
Istvan Batory
<davidt...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>The message <3692d64c...@rmta.dyndns.com>
> from dar...@morpheus.rmta.org (Darrien) contains these words:
>
>> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>
>> The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
>> friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
>> at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root of
>> this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
>> that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
>> them (and hence all wraiths).
>
>I should be very interested to hear more on this matter. It matches
>with certain information that I have received from the Giovanni and
>it worries them no end.
As would I, i hate to think of Yvette trapped somewhere.
>
>> Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was never
>> told how.
>
>> Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my clan
>> prevent this ?
>
>I, for my part, have always found the Tremere to be highly reliable.
>I have had a number of disputes with them, mostly with Doctor Dee if
>truth be told, yet I have never had to doubt the information I
>receive when a matter of the security of the realm is concerned.
Well I trust you in this.
>
>> I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
>> diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
>
>Indeed, it took me some thirty seven years and fourteen deaths to get
>o'er the diablerising of one of my Childe.
>
Fourteen deaths, It took one in my case, that of the Diablerist. But I
suspect the circumstances were different. In any case Lord Strange you
have my sympathy. And whatever help I may offer in the matter of Yvette
is yours to command
>> Steerpike
>> --
>> Clan Tremere, Seneschal of Exeter, Blood Researcher,
>> Librarian of the True History in Exeter
>
>Lord Strange.
>
--
Istvan Batory
Tzimisce
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Simon Magid
wrote:
>For my part, I just read of Radulescu's diablerie of one of my clan. I'm
>afraid that I can neither forgive nor forget that
Oh dear, oh dear. How will I _ever_ sleep soundly again, knowing as I
now do that you are wroth with me? I shall have to zzzz...
> and I have seen nothing to
>indicate that he was in some way forced into defending himself by ripping the
>soul from one of my Clan's blood.
*blink* Eh? Some fool woke me up. Oh. No, it was not self-defense; it
was quite carefully planned. And the plan worked flawlessly, too; I
was astonished by just _how_ predictable the fool turned out to be.
>I take back any offer of a favour and
>advise him to steer clear of me if we ever meet in the flesh.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I did not want any favour from you to start with, and if you think
that _your_ thinly veiled and utterly insubstantial threats will make
me either take or eschew any action, or make me go to a place or seek
to avoid it, you are badly deluding yourself.
>I am pacifist... it makes the need for self-control that much more difficult
>:(
In that case, perhaps I _should_ seek you out. If for no other reason
than because it would be amusing to watch you struggle between your
pacifism and your desire to make the nebulous threat contained in the
fatuous 'advice' you gave above come true. *brilliant smile*
>Steerpike
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce unimpressed by threats made across Usenet
[OOC: No offense intended towards the player, this is all IC. Cris has
had several bad nights lately and is not in the most reasonable of
moods, I'm afraid.]
Simon Magid
wrote:
>Aw man...I'm really sorry, Christian. I don't know about all the integrity
>stuff, but I wouldn't trust me with carrying a snowball through the Tundra
>right now. Like ol' Tupac said, 'All Eyes On Me'. My associate from the
>Wake, John Stewart, seems to have kept his mouth shut, but I can't be sure
>if he really has. The Clanless Info Network doesn't always hook into the
>Clan Info Network here, but sometimes it does.
Ah well. You should under no circumstances feel _forced_ to do it,
dear lady. I shall find another solution, I hope.
>You want your message delivered with a minimum of fuss and blather, and if
>I get ahold of it, that ain't gonna happen.
Actually, I do not care about fuss and blather. I just want it
delivered.
>I would hate for you to get
>caught in my political problems in the quest to solve your own.
More to the point, I would ill repay you by getting _you_ involved in
_mine_. Go with peace, miss Taylor.
>Natalie Taylor
>
>Stephanie Bradley at...@netcom.com
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce
Simon Magid
wrote:
>>I am sorry. But if miss Natalie will not help me, I must find another
>>Camarilla Tremere to help me. Another one I dare extend that trust to.
>>These are about as common as square eggs...
><whismical smirk>
>It is perhaps unfortunate that I cannot gain a reccomendation from someone who
>is already dead, but it is not something that I'll let haunt me.
>By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
*silence*
...no, I was not.
>The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
>friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
>at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root of
>this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
>that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
>them (and hence all wraiths).
Ah.
>Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was never
>told how.
>Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my clan
>prevent this ?
Sir, your Clan does not prevent this. It is merely that I would not
entrust _anyone_, Sabbat or Camarilla, Tremere or Tzimisce, with that
missive if I did not trust them _absolutely_.
As for your information... it sheds light on some odd events that have
happened lately. I thank you for it. I now have an idea of what to do.
With luck, I may be able to act with sufficient speed to save
Octavian's and the Doctor's lives.
>I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
>diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
Believe me, sir, I know the feeling. Having one's entire Pack
slaughtered and the woman one loves trapped by a Blood Bond to someone
else does not particularly improve one's mood either.
>Steerpike
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce in a poor mood
PKieferjr
In article <368fcd1...@rmta.dyndns.com>, dar...@morpheus.rmta.org
(Darrien) writes:
By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed at
the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root of
this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and that
the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against them
(and hence all wraiths).
I should be very interested to hear more on this matter. It matches with
certain information that I have received from the Giovanni and it worries them
no end.
I'll bet; they must hate for there to be a captive soul out there that they did
not imprison themselves.
What I know:
- At the Austin Wake Funeral, Fuchsia performed a ritual that had been given to
her by Wraiths from the Shadowlands.
- Wraiths on the other side were supposed to ensure that Yvette's soul passed
through the Shadowlands freely and that she did not become one of their number.
They found that she was neither there nor had she ever been.
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WHAT!!??
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- They located her soul on our side of the Umbra (here is where I get sketchy
since I thought there was only one Umbra, but Fuchsia was telling me about all
these different kinds and I lost track). Basically, her soul is still on
Earth/the prime material plane/what-have-you. It must have been captured in
some way or another (Giovanni soul-stealing ?).
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Dammit, Ah went outta mah way ta get it done right, an' someone rips 'er off
while she's dead! That's worse than desecratin' a grave!
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- They attempted to fufil their ritual by rescuing the soul, but were driven
back by some powerful wards. The magician was not doubt aware of their
efforts, but the Spooks failed to recover the soul. Hence, a thamaturge or
magi must be involved.
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Shit. That's way outta mah league.
----------------------------------------------------
- Fuchsia relieved the Spooks commitment to this matter when she learnt of the
above and was supposed to follow up on it. However, a Giovanni killed her.
Coincidence?
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Hell, no, it ain't.
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Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was never
told how.
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Might be a good time ta find out.
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Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my clan
prevent this ?
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Considerin' what we've been through, Ah'm inclined ta believe ya.
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I, for my part, have always found the Tremere to be highly reliable. I have
had a number of disputes with them, mostly with Doctor Dee if truth be told,
yet I have never had to doubt the information I receive when a matter of the
security of the realm is concerned.
It is not the security of the realm, but rather the security of Yvette that is
in question.
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An' that was mah job, too. Damned if Ah'm gonna let it go without a fight.
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For my part, I just read of Radulescu's diablerie of one of my clan. I'm
afraid that I can neither forgive nor forget that and I have seen nothing to
indicate that he was in some way forced into defending himself by ripping the
soul from one of my Clan's blood. I take back any offer of a favour and advise
him to steer clear of me if we ever meet in the flesh.
--------------------------------------------------
Ah'd hold off if Ah were you. Let's try not ta eliminate any options that
might work in yer favor.
--------------------------------------------------
I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat. Indeed, it took me
some thirty seven years and fourteen deaths to get o'er the diablerising of one
of my Childe.
--------------------------------------------------
Ah came awfully close ta doin' that, son. It damn near cost me.
--------------------------------------------------
I am pacifist... it makes the need for self-control that much more difficult.
:(
>Steerpike
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Ah'm a soldier by nature. Ah've fought.....an' killed....ta survive. Ah'm
willin' ta do whatever it takes.
However, this is well outside mah experiences. Ah'm probably gonna need help.
Maybe we should bring Colin inta this one, seein' as he's dealt with th' Occult
an' is a pretty good tracker. This would be more his speed than mine.
Nick Barton
"He who dies with the most toys....dies."
Darrien
>>afraid that I can neither forgive nor forget that
>
>now do that you are wroth with me? I shall have to zzzz...
>
>>indicate that he was in some way forced into defending himself by ripping the
>>soul from one of my Clan's blood.
>
>was quite carefully planned. And the plan worked flawlessly, too; I
>was astonished by just _how_ predictable the fool turned out to be.
May his soul haunt you loudly and ceaselessly.
>>I take back any offer of a favour and
>>advise him to steer clear of me if we ever meet in the flesh.
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
>I did not want any favour from you to start with,
I think my wording was "I take back any offer of a favour". Indeed you quoted
this. Can you _read_ ?
>and if you think
>that _your_ thinly veiled and utterly insubstantial threats will make
>me either take or eschew any action, or make me go to a place or seek
>to avoid it, you are badly deluding yourself.
A statement you are quick to contradict below:
>>I am pacifist... it makes the need for self-control that much more difficult
>>:(
>
>In that case, perhaps I _should_ seek you out. If for no other reason
>than because it would be amusing to watch you struggle between your
>pacifism and your desire to make the nebulous threat contained in the
>fatuous 'advice' you gave above come true. *brilliant smile*
How frightfully uninsightful of you. Since I am a pacifist and claim to be
so, why would I be making a physical threat ? Simple answer: I'm not. You
may contradict yourself, I do not. Use your single braincell more wisely,
"Radu".
1) My advice is to spare us both the extreme inconvenience of dealing with one
another. On my part, I think you are a loathsome, hypocritical little shite.
On your part, I doubt my insults have enamored me to you and I would recommend
we stay away from one another to avoid more of the same.
2) I am pacifist; meaning that I do no willful harm to any other. For myself,
I take that to mean physical harm - after all, one could construe my insults
as intended willful harm even if I believe them to be speaking above your
intellect.
3) This does not mean that I would not restrain an intruder in my haven and,
believe me, I would have no concerns over letting you starve into Torpor if
you attempted to navigate your way through my wards and found yourself
trapped.
>Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce unimpressed by threats made across Usenet
I have still to make a threat. You, OTOH, have threatened to come "seek me
out". More contradictions ?
I'm not surprised. From someone who can delight in their soul-stealing and
muder of another kindred and yet pretend to empathise with me when I speak of
feeling distressed over that happening to a friend of mine (and I quote you:
"Believe me, sir, I know the feeling"), should I expect anything but a
hypocritical response ?
>[OOC: No offense intended towards the player, this is all IC.
<<OOC: Indeed
>Cris has
>had several bad nights lately and is not in the most reasonable of
>moods, I'm afraid.]
When _aren't_ your characters having bad nights ? &:-/ >>
Steerpike
--
Clan Tremere, Seneschal of Exeter, Blood Researcher,
Librarian of the True History in Exeter
remove **morpheus** to reply
Darrien
>On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Darrien wrote:
>Steerpike...I commend your Clan loyalty. But in this case, it's
>misplaced.
I am prepared to listen. As I said, I had heard no good arguments as to why
it was justified.
<snip first part of story>
>ANd then Giles told them I was Blood Bound to Perry. And what was bad got
>indescribably worse. Then they went too far, and killed Perry. You've
>been Bound, Steerpike, if only as a Ghoul. Imagine that Bond shattering.
>Imagine your heart's own, just out of reach, suffering torment anfter
>torment, and being unable to help. And one of your own, laughing on the
>sidelines.
I was bound as a ghoul for many years and my Clan took that bond from me, but
I still remember it. I was also bound as a kindred to another, mutually
loving and that was taken from me also. But I still love them both and I
think I can begin to empathise for I know how strongly I would feel now to
hear of their deaths and I know how I would have felt then...
...your hatred seems beyond reasonable to me.
>I don't know what happened after that. When I came to my senses again,
>the Sabbat pack was dead. I'd killed them all. And I held Giles' head in
>my hand, by the hair. It was still draining, and I could see the pulpy
>bit of his spinal cord, the shattered vertebrae.
>
>I'd literally ripped his head off.
>
>I spent two more days in that charnel pit., until I'd healed enough to
>walk. Then I went home. And then I found it wasn't over.
>
>Tachi didn't believe Giles was the traitor. He accussed me of
>collaborating with the enemy. He swore that he would have *known* if
>Giles had turned traitor. *I* must be the real traitor..
>
>He tried to have me tried in front of the Council. He got into my head
>with his damned Dominate and his five-times damned Auspex. HE tore my
>mind apart, Steerpike. When he was finished, I had nothing left that
>was secret or private. He raped me without ever laying a finger on me.
>
>In the end, he couldn't prove anything, but he never withdrew his charge.
>And he never forgot.
If he was a traitor all along, it is not a surprise, but you weren't to know
that.
As for mental rape, one of my Clan did that to me; rewired my brain, my
personality, my memories, barely left me my own reality. And I had to _ask_
to have someone else do that to me again so as to try and fix the damage.
Worse than that, I've had to ask to be violated this way many times because
the damage is so extensive. And he wasn't even the first. I have damage that
kindred cannot fix and I've been "entered" too many times to keep track. Even
the loving touches of Fuchsia just trying to help me stay sane have been like
being fucked with a branding iron...
So, yes, I can empathise. Just a little bit.
>Over time, we made an uneasy peace with Abenegdor. There was even talk
>about making our cities open to all. Turns out there were parties on both
>sides--both Cam and Sabbat. Someone on our side sent a messenger to
>parley with the Sabbat--and neglected to mention the explosives packed in
>the kid's abdominal cavity. I still don't know the body count on that
>one--the kid sure as hell died, and the Sabbat got a mite pissed about an
>attack made under a truce flag.
>
>Then...Tachi sold us out. I don't know who made the overture or when, but
>he worked *with* a Sabbat Thaumaturge to rig the ultimate boody-trap.
>He...took the blood of a Sabbat member, and did some kind of ritual, put
>it in a physical object. Three seperate objects. And then he sent them
>to me. On three seperate nights. I've been Blood Bound to someone I"ve
>never even seen, Steerpike, and that damn Warlock set it up.
>
>He used correspondences I'd written to Sabbat members here on the NG, used
>the fact that I'd sheltered and vouched for an Anarch who turned to the
>Sabbat, as proof that I was a traitor, or at least spying for them. And
>his last move would have been to reveal that I was Blood Bound to a
>Sabbat, and apparently had been for some time, thus rendering *Everything*
>I've ever done for my city suspect.
>
>You can get the full details of Tachi's treason from John Benedict, the
>Tremere Primogen of Copenhagen, if you don't want to believe me.
I do. Perhaps I am falling for a "sob-story" or just extending a little
trust; it is hard to say, but I do believe you.
>Apparently, he was investigating it.
The downside of a clan as loyal as mine is that investigating someone else can
seem more suspicious than any implication of something they might have done...
>Hate Cristian if you want to, Steerpike, but pick a better reason than
>Tachi. That miserable bastard sold me into slavery because I made him
>look a fool. He tried to re-ignite a war that had, at the cost of
>countless lives--at last cooled. For nothing but pride. The bastard got
>what he deserved.
>
>Is someone like Tachi *really* what you want to defend? What strengths
>and truths of Clan Tremere did *he* uphold? How far are you going to go
>for a Judas? If you believe so...make your arguments to the shades of
>Mina, Grant, Evan, and Jules. Try telling it to me.
Then I shall. It is not the murder that I am horrified about. Admittedly,
hearing about that alone makes me feel angered due to my own Clan loyalty.
But I understand that the Tremere can be traitors and I also understad that
Cristian is Sabbat and I am Camarilla and sometimes we kill one another with
perfect malice and with no regrets. It happens.
But he chose to diablerise him. He chose to tear this murderous soul from its
owner and make it part of his own. If you hate this Tremere, this abusive,
vile turncoat, then you must realise it is now a part of Cristian. Maybe it
will rarely show itself, maybe it will take over completely or just change his
personality in indescribably small ways to the external viewer, but inside it
is now entwined with his own soul.
Cristian planned to seek out and not only kill this kindred, but make it a
part of himself. I cannot abide the idea of the sickness of this practise,
the enjoyment of stealing a soul and holding it in torment for your own gain.
And I cannot see how him chosing to incorporate this person into part of his
own person was anything redeemable.
Even if Tachi were the most vile creature on the planet, I would not wish that
fate on him and I would not care to see the effects of his soul influencing
his diableriser.
I, personally, could not even condemn him to death, but that is my beliefs and
my subjective viewpoint (and, as an example, I offer the rapist of my mind
mentioned above, who has been sent to Vienna and still do not wish *dead*).
More objectively, I fail to see how diablerie renders anything good from the
situation. It may even give the kindred a "second-life", manipulating
Cristian from within.
Thankyou for the explanation, I really do appreciate it, even if I am touch
"triggered" by it as well.
I make an offer I expect you to reject, but I'll offer it anyway: I can rid
you of that blood bond. It comes with a price, but not one of mine. You can
accept it you wish, I will not be offended if you don't.
Fare thee well and thanks again,
Simon Magid
wrote:
>>*blink* Eh? Some fool woke me up. Oh. No, it was not self-defense; it
>>was quite carefully planned. And the plan worked flawlessly, too; I
>>was astonished by just _how_ predictable the fool turned out to be.
>May his soul haunt you loudly and ceaselessly.
Oh, it does. I have periodic nightmares about how in the world it was
possible for a Kindred of that age and power to be _that_ easy to
manipulate into his own destruction.
>>>I take back any offer of a favour and
>>>advise him to steer clear of me if we ever meet in the flesh.
>>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>I did not want any favour from you to start with,
>I think my wording was "I take back any offer of a favour". Indeed you quoted
>this. Can you _read_ ?
Yes, and I read an insult. I responded with another one. And you have
responded with another one. Now, amusing as this may be, I do not
really have the time for it, so you will pardon me for discontinuing
it.
>>and if you think
>>that _your_ thinly veiled and utterly insubstantial threats will make
>>me either take or eschew any action, or make me go to a place or seek
>>to avoid it, you are badly deluding yourself.
>A statement you are quick to contradict below:
Yes, yes. So _you_ say.
>>>I am pacifist... it makes the need for self-control that much more difficult
>>>:(
>>In that case, perhaps I _should_ seek you out. If for no other reason
>>than because it would be amusing to watch you struggle between your
>>pacifism and your desire to make the nebulous threat contained in the
>>fatuous 'advice' you gave above come true. *brilliant smile*
>How frightfully uninsightful of you. Since I am a pacifist and claim to be
>so, why would I be making a physical threat ? Simple answer: I'm not.
Exactly. You are not a pacifist, you only pretend to be one. Thus, by
entering your presence, I have the entertainment of seeing you
struggle to justify your own hypocrisy.
>You
>may contradict yourself, I do not.
Yes, yes. To be sure.
>Use your single braincell more wisely,
>"Radu".
Heh. Given that I have one, it puts me one ahead of you.
>1) My advice is to spare us both the extreme inconvenience of dealing with one
>another.
And thus you insulted me in public, assuring that I would respond to
you?
>On my part, I think you are a loathsome, hypocritical little shite.
*yawn* Well, it takes one to know one, as they say. Personally, I
could not care less what you think.
>On your part, I doubt my insults have enamored me to you and I would recommend
>we stay away from one another to avoid more of the same.
In that case, do yourself a favour and do not respond to this. In any
case, I find your insults boring and unimaginative, and would really
rather spend my time dueling someone worthy of the effort.
>2) I am pacifist; meaning that I do no willful harm to any other. For myself,
>I take that to mean physical harm - after all, one could construe my insults
>as intended willful harm even if I believe them to be speaking above your
>intellect.
They may be intended that way, and you may believe that, but that says
more of you than of me. *brilliant smile*
>3) This does not mean that I would not restrain an intruder in my haven and,
>believe me, I would have no concerns over letting you starve into Torpor if
>you attempted to navigate your way through my wards and found yourself
>trapped.
*yawn* Yes, yes. To be frank, even if I _were_ in the habit of
entering the homes of others uninvited, which I am not, I think it
more likely that I would be bored to death by your decor.
>>Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce unimpressed by threats made across Usenet
>I have still to make a threat. You, OTOH, have threatened to come "seek me
>out". More contradictions ?
No, not really. I only intended to seek you out to see you have fun
proving your 'moral superiority' as a pacifist. Pure entertainment, I
do not kill people I cannot take seriously.
>I'm not surprised. From someone who can delight in their soul-stealing and
>muder of another kindred and yet pretend to empathise with me when I speak of
>feeling distressed over that happening to a friend of mine (and I quote you:
>"Believe me, sir, I know the feeling"), should I expect anything but a
>hypocritical response ?
Well, since _you_ are evidently omniscient and the sole judge of what
is moral and right in this world, you must be right, mustn't you. Heh.
>When _aren't_ your characters having bad nights ? &:-/ >>
[OOC: Oh, Cris has several worse nights to come. Or it wouldn't be the
World of Darkness. But in any case, I suggest we let this drop, it's
getting a mite too personal IMO.]
>Steerpike
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce
PKieferjr
In article <3690df6...@news.uni2.dk>, tali...@inet.uni2.dk (Simon Magid)
writes:
>>I'm not surprised. From someone who can delight in their soul-stealing and
>>muder of another kindred and yet pretend to empathise with me when I speak
>of
>>feeling distressed over that happening to a friend of mine (and I quote you:
>>"Believe me, sir, I know the feeling"), should I expect anything but a
>>hypocritical response ?
>
>Well, since _you_ are evidently omniscient and the sole judge of what
>is moral and right in this world, you must be right, mustn't you. Heh.
Jeezus H. Fuckin' Christ! Ah got enough problems dealin' with th' Chamber an'
Gunston! Now Ah gotta deal with kiddies!? Grow th' fuck up, will ya!?
>>When _aren't_ your characters having bad nights ? &:-/ >>
>
>[OOC: Oh, Cris has several worse nights to come. Or it wouldn't be the
>World of Darkness. But in any case, I suggest we let this drop, it's
>getting a mite too personal IMO.]
(OOC: Way to personal for my taste.)
>>Steerpike
>Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce
Nick Barton
"He who dies with the most toys....dies."
Soon to come: Lone Star Security and Investigations. "We're there for you."
David Townsend
from dar...@morpheus.rmta.org (Darrien) contains these words:
> >> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
> >
> >> The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
> >> friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
> >> at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root of
> >> this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
> >> that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
> >> them (and hence all wraiths).
> >
> >I should be very interested to hear more on this matter. It matches
> >with certain information that I have received from the Giovanni and
> >it worries them no end.
> I'll bet; they must hate for there to be a captive soul out there that they
> did not imprison themselves.
I can name that tune in one.
> What I know:
> - At the Austin Wake Funeral, Fuchsia performed a ritual that had been given
> to her by Wraiths from the Shadowlands.
> - Wraiths on the other side were supposed to ensure that Yvette's soul passed
> through the Shadowlands freely and that she did not become one of their
> number. They found that she was neither there nor had she ever been.
> - They located her soul on our side of the Umbra (here is where I get sketchy
> since I thought there was only one Umbra, but Fuchsia was telling me about all
> these different kinds and I lost track). Basically, her soul is still on
> Earth/the prime material plane/what-have-you. It must have been captured in
> some way or another (Giovanni soul-stealing ?).
> - They attempted to fufil their ritual by rescuing the soul, but were driven
> back by some powerful wards. The magician was not doubt aware of their
> efforts, but the Spooks failed to recover the soul. Hence, a thamaturge or
> magi must be involved.
Very interesting. Unfortunately, my expert on matters Thaumaturgical
knows naught of spirits and the suchlike, adding little insight into
this discussion.
> - Fuchsia relieved the Spooks commitment to this matter when she learnt of the
> above and was supposed to follow up on it. However, a Giovanni killed her
> (coincidence ?).
Possibly not. There is a Giovanni that I must speak to about this
whole affair but he seems to have gone missing o'er the Yuletide
period, mayhaps a coincidence, mayhaps not.
> >> Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was never
> >> told how.
> >> Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my clan
> >> prevent this ?
> >
> >I, for my part, have always found the Tremere to be highly reliable.
> >I have had a number of disputes with them, mostly with Doctor Dee if
> >truth be told, yet I have never had to doubt the information I
> >receive when a matter of the security of the realm is concerned.
> It is not the security of the realm, but rather the security of Yvette that is
> in question.
Personal matters I would never bring to them save when they already
owe me a boon. Naught personal but I do not believe in placing
temptation in Kindreds paths :)
> For my part, I just read of Radulescu's diablerie of one of my clan. I'm
> afraid that I can neither forgive nor forget that and I have seen nothing to
> indicate that he was in some way forced into defending himself by ripping the
> soul from one of my Clan's blood. I take back any offer of a favour and
> advise him to steer clear of me if we ever meet in the flesh.
I must say that, having read the tale of this diabolerie, and e'en
putting my loathing of soul-drinkers to one side, I find Master
Radulescu's story both far-fetched and, indeed, fantastic.
> >> I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
> >> diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
> >Indeed, it took me some thirty seven years and fourteen deaths to get
> >o'er the diablerising of one of my Childe.
> I am pacifist... it makes the need for self-control that much more difficult
> :(
Mayhaps regretable. I try to retain of much of my humanity that I can
yet there was a cathartic element to the destruction of my foes. Mind
you, putting the Beast back within it's cage proved to be more
difficult than I had hoped.
> Steerpike
> --
> Clan Tremere, Seneschal of Exeter, Blood Researcher,
> Librarian of the True History in Exeter
> remove **morpheus** to reply
Lord Strange.
David Townsend
from Jacynthe <Cbo...@cris.com> contains these words:
> Steerpike...I commend your Clan loyalty. But in this case, it's
> misplaced. The Warlock (and I mean *Warlock*, not Tremere) Cristian
> destroyed was called Tachi, and he was the Regent of the chantry here in
> Refuge. So you understand the full story, I'm going to have go back a
> bit.
{I have snipped the tale of the treacery of Giles and the refusal of
Tachi to believe in the treachery of a Chantry member not because I
do not believe it but simply as it is background to the matter below]
> Then...Tachi sold us out. I don't know who made the overture or when, but
> he worked *with* a Sabbat Thaumaturge to rig the ultimate boody-trap.
> He...took the blood of a Sabbat member, and did some kind of ritual, put
> it in a physical object. Three seperate objects. And then he sent them
> to me. On three seperate nights. I've been Blood Bound to someone I"ve
> never even seen, Steerpike, and that damn Warlock set it up.
> He used correspondences I'd written to Sabbat members here on the NG, used
> the fact that I'd sheltered and vouched for an Anarch who turned to the
> Sabbat, as proof that I was a traitor, or at least spying for them. And
> his last move would have been to reveal that I was Blood Bound to a
> Sabbat, and apparently had been for some time, thus rendering *Everything*
> I've ever done for my city suspect.
The question merely comes down to the evidence provided linking the
Tremere to the crime.
As equerry to Her Majesty, it was my job to uncover plots aimed
against the Realm and mayhaps it has left me with a twisted
perspective but may I put the whole matter in a different light?
We are told by Christian that there has been a joint Sabbat/Camarilla
plot to cause you harm and to discredit you. Well, it is unfortunate
that this information comes initially from Master Radulescu, a
Tzchmize and that the plot is aimed against a well-known defender of
the Camarilla. We are told that Tachi (a Camarilla Elder) was
implicated, again by Christian. Unfortunately, he has not only got no
evidence as to the truth of this but he regretably killed the
suspect, thereby rendering him unavailable for questioning. Further,
he diabolised him, making even his spirit inaccessible. He says that
there are Sabbat involved in this plot yet, despite the above
mentioned soul-drinking he can not name any of them.
Therefore, in conclusion, we have one dead Camarilla Elder and his
soul consumed by a Tzchmize in a way designed to discourage
vengeance, one Camarilla warrior bound to a Sabbat member and rumours
of a plot tearing apart the Clans. On the negative side for the
Sabbat we have...it would appear nothing. This is why I do not
believe the story presented thus far.
> You can get the full details of Tachi's treason from John Benedict, the
> Tremere Primogen of Copenhagen, if you don't want to believe me.
> Apparently, he was investigating it.
It is not you I do not believe for you are only transmiting the story
you have been told. As for the rest, I remain to be convinced.
>
> Hate Cristian if you want to, Steerpike, but pick a better reason than
> Tachi. That miserable bastard sold me into slavery because I made him
> look a fool. He tried to re-ignite a war that had, at the cost of
> countless lives--at last cooled. For nothing but pride. The bastard got
> what he deserved.
Mayhaps so, but it remains to be seen who is trying to re-ignite a war.
> Is someone like Tachi *really* what you want to defend? What strengths
> and truths of Clan Tremere did *he* uphold? How far are you going to go
> for a Judas? If you believe so...make your arguments to the shades of
> Mina, Grant, Evan, and Jules. Try telling it to me.
As e'er your servant. That Tachi was a lowlife I do not doubt, I
merely remain unconvinced that his murderer was any better.
> Jesstyn Calliope
> Clan Brujah
Lord Strange,
Clan Ventrue
David Townsend
from Istvan Batory <ke...@kpople.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
[Snip]
> >> I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
> >> diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
> >
> >Indeed, it took me some thirty seven years and fourteen deaths to get
> >o'er the diablerising of one of my Childe.
> >
> suspect the circumstances were different. In any case Lord Strange you
> have my sympathy. And whatever help I may offer in the matter of Yvette
> is yours to command
In the matter of Yvette, I thank you and may well call upon your aid.
At present, my investigations are leading me amongst the boardrooms,
penthouse and other rat-holes of the Old World.
> --
> Istvan Batory
> Tzimisce
Lord Strange.
Simon Magid
<davidt...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>I must say that, having read the tale of this diabolerie, and e'en
>putting my loathing of soul-drinkers to one side, I find Master
>Radulescu's story both far-fetched and, indeed, fantastic.
OOC: Let's not go there.
I've read Paul Kiefer's comments on the recent conflict and I agree
with him; I went overboard. The trouble with Radulescu is that he
really isn't a very nice fellow and that he was originally created as
an NPC. It may be a mistake to use him if he triggers this sort of
mess every time I post for him.
In any case, I'm done on this matter. I apologise for the created
disruption, which was largely caused by overreaction on my part.
Simon
Simon Magid
<davidt...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>{I have snipped the tale of the treacery of Giles and the refusal of
>Tachi to believe in the treachery of a Chantry member not because I
>do not believe it but simply as it is background to the matter below]
Very well.
>The question merely comes down to the evidence provided linking the
>Tremere to the crime.
>As equerry to Her Majesty, it was my job to uncover plots aimed
>against the Realm and mayhaps it has left me with a twisted
>perspective but may I put the whole matter in a different light?
>We are told by Christian that there has been a joint Sabbat/Camarilla
>plot to cause you harm and to discredit you. Well, it is unfortunate
>that this information comes initially from Master Radulescu, a
>Tzchmize and that the plot is aimed against a well-known defender of
>the Camarilla. We are told that Tachi (a Camarilla Elder) was
>implicated, again by Christian. Unfortunately, he has not only got no
>evidence as to the truth of this but he regretably killed the
>suspect, thereby rendering him unavailable for questioning. Further,
>he diabolised him, making even his spirit inaccessible. He says that
>there are Sabbat involved in this plot yet, despite the above
>mentioned soul-drinking he can not name any of them.
>Therefore, in conclusion, we have one dead Camarilla Elder and his
>soul consumed by a Tzchmize in a way designed to discourage
>vengeance, one Camarilla warrior bound to a Sabbat member and rumours
>of a plot tearing apart the Clans. On the negative side for the
>Sabbat we have...it would appear nothing. This is why I do not
>believe the story presented thus far.
In that case, I have the solution to your problem, Lord Strange.
The reason I did not name any names in the Sabbat was that I did not
have any. I still do not. You can, however, easily gain access to the
other evidence you mentioned, and I shall provide that access to you.
At midnight tonight, I shall present myself to the entrance of Strange
Cheney. There, I shall surrender my sword and myself to your
authority. I assume that you, given possession of my person, will have
the ability to secure the needed evidence from my mind. Or that you
alternately will be able to obtain assistance from some Telepath or
Interrogator in your service.
Jess must be cleared. At any cost. I consider my unlife a quite
reasonable price to pay to achieve it.
With respect,
Cristian Radulescu, Clan Tzimisce
Baron of Tirgu Mures
Priest of the Gray Hunters
Bishop of Elsinore
Istvan Batory
<davidt...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
Well one thing I can help you with is the matter of spirits, I have a
small degree of talent in that area, although I have no Necromancy as
such. If you need me you have only to call.
By the way how is the mortal girl Beatrice?
Det. VanDam
Simon Magid wrote in message <3691243a...@news.uni2.dk>...
>On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:40:03 GMT, David Townsend
><davidt...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>I must say that, having read the tale of this diabolerie, and e'en
>>putting my loathing of soul-drinkers to one side, I find Master
>>Radulescu's story both far-fetched and, indeed, fantastic.
>
>OOC: Let's not go there.
>
>I've read Paul Kiefer's comments on the recent conflict and I agree
>with him; I went overboard. The trouble with Radulescu is that he
>really isn't a very nice fellow and that he was originally created as
>an NPC. It may be a mistake to use him if he triggers this sort of
>mess every time I post for him.
>
>In any case, I'm done on this matter. I apologise for the created
>disruption, which was largely caused by overreaction on my part.
>
>Simon
I feel an unpleasant problem when I post for Bill Gunston, but I am building
him up for a purpose. When Bill Gunston is gone he will only be a bad
memory. :-)
JP
Det. VanDam
>> misplaced. The Warlock (and I mean *Warlock*, not Tremere) Cristian
>> destroyed was called Tachi, and he was the Regent of the chantry here in
>> Refuge. So you understand the full story, I'm going to have go back a
>> bit.
>
>Tachi to believe in the treachery of a Chantry member not because I
>do not believe it but simply as it is background to the matter below]
>
but
>> he worked *with* a Sabbat Thaumaturge to rig the ultimate boody-trap.
>> He...took the blood of a Sabbat member, and did some kind of ritual, put
>> it in a physical object. Three seperate objects. And then he sent them
>> to me. On three seperate nights. I've been Blood Bound to someone I"ve
>> never even seen, Steerpike, and that damn Warlock set it up.
>
>> He used correspondences I'd written to Sabbat members here on the NG,
used
>> the fact that I'd sheltered and vouched for an Anarch who turned to the
>> Sabbat, as proof that I was a traitor, or at least spying for them. And
>> his last move would have been to reveal that I was Blood Bound to a
>> Sabbat, and apparently had been for some time, thus rendering
*Everything*
>> I've ever done for my city suspect.
>
>Tremere to the crime.
>
>As equerry to Her Majesty, it was my job to uncover plots aimed
>against the Realm and mayhaps it has left me with a twisted
>perspective but may I put the whole matter in a different light?
>
>We are told by Christian that there has been a joint Sabbat/Camarilla
>plot to cause you harm and to discredit you. Well, it is unfortunate
>that this information comes initially from Master Radulescu, a
>Tzchmize and that the plot is aimed against a well-known defender of
>the Camarilla. We are told that Tachi (a Camarilla Elder) was
>implicated, again by Christian. Unfortunately, he has not only got no
>evidence as to the truth of this but he regretably killed the
>suspect, thereby rendering him unavailable for questioning. Further,
>he diabolised him, making even his spirit inaccessible. He says that
>there are Sabbat involved in this plot yet, despite the above
>mentioned soul-drinking he can not name any of them.
>
>Therefore, in conclusion, we have one dead Camarilla Elder and his
>soul consumed by a Tzchmize in a way designed to discourage
>vengeance, one Camarilla warrior bound to a Sabbat member and rumours
>of a plot tearing apart the Clans. On the negative side for the
>Sabbat we have...it would appear nothing. This is why I do not
>believe the story presented thus far.
>
>> Tremere Primogen of Copenhagen, if you don't want to believe me.
>> Apparently, he was investigating it.
>
>you have been told. As for the rest, I remain to be convinced.
>>
>> Tachi. That miserable bastard sold me into slavery because I made him
>> look a fool. He tried to re-ignite a war that had, at the cost of
>> countless lives--at last cooled. For nothing but pride. The bastard got
>> what he deserved.
>
>
>> and truths of Clan Tremere did *he* uphold? How far are you going to go
>> for a Judas? If you believe so...make your arguments to the shades of
>> Mina, Grant, Evan, and Jules. Try telling it to me.
>
>merely remain unconvinced that his murderer was any better.
>
fool either (Diablerie exempted from that last comment). He has been
implicated in one plot aready and a second is too coincidental. My Detective
hairs are all on end with this story. Christian Radulescu is already a
confessed Diablerist and to my understanding, the number of Diableries do
not show in an Aura read. So this is not proof either. Something smells
rotten in Denmark.
>> Jesstyn Calliope
>> Clan Brujah
>
>Lord Strange,
>Clan Ventrue
>
Det. VanDam, CPD
Jacynthe
<snip>
> At midnight tonight, I shall present myself to the entrance of Strange
> Cheney. There, I shall surrender my sword and myself to your
> authority. I assume that you, given possession of my person, will have
> the ability to secure the needed evidence from my mind. Or that you
> alternately will be able to obtain assistance from some Telepath or
> Interrogator in your service.
Not without me, you're not. Reserve another place at that table. It's
not that I don't trust Strange, I do. But the last time someone I loved
went to England to argue a case, well....we know what happened then, don't
we?
Somebody launched this crap because they wanted a war. My suspicion, or
your dead body would both accomplish the same thing. Call me stubborn, I
don't intend to let them have the war they want so desperately.
I *will* be there. I have a stake in this, as well (if you'll pardon the
expression ;) ) and whatever evidence or information is revealed is
certainly something I have a right to hear directly.
> Jess must be cleared. At any cost. I consider my unlife a quite
> reasonable price to pay to achieve it.
I don't. I'm tired of people dying for me. I'm tired of being left
behind. I'm just tired.
As always...
Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, called
the Red Daeva of Abenegdor, of Clan Brujah
And since we're listing titles:
Prince's Champion for the City of Refuge
Maskholder and votary for Red Nemaine
Jacynthe
On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Det. VanDam wrote:
> >>> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>
> *Silence*
>
> Why was I not told of this?
>
> Who do I call friends on this NG, or in the Order of AGVTM, would know this
> information and not have informed me of it?
>
> I was at the Austin Wake, and witnessed her remains lowered into the earth.
> How can this statement be possible?
It isn't. Someone...someone has made a horrible mistake. Or they're
lying, or playing some kind of sick joke. Yvette is dead. I was there. I
*saw* her die. I touched her. Damn it all, I picked her head up after....
F*ck this.
Yvette is dead. D-E-A-D, in case someone missed the first time around.
Decapitated, and her body consumed by the sun. Karl was with her through
the sunrise, so no-one could have...tampered with her.
I know Steerpike's friend was the expert on this sort of thing, but even
experts make mistakes, or get lied to.
Yvette is dead. I would give *anything* in my power...would steal, kill,
and lie to get more if I needed it, if it would bring her back to us. But
she's gone. That's why they call it *Final* Death.
Jesstyn Calliope
Clan Brujah
"This is the really real world. There ain't no comin' back."
--THe Crow
Jacynthe
> I am prepared to listen. As I said, I had heard no good arguments as to why
> it was justified.
Cristian isn't big on explanations.
<snip>
> >In the end, he couldn't prove anything, but he never withdrew his charge.
> >And he never forgot.
>
> If he was a traitor all along, it is not a surprise, but you weren't to know
> that.
>
From the way he was carrying on, you'd think there was supposed to be a
glowing neon sign over Giles' head: 'I'm in collusion with the Sabbat!'
Tachi was...very rigid in his thinking. A lot of the views he held as a
mortal carried over into unlife. When I call him an elitist, sexist,
racist pig, I'm actually being polite.
> As for mental rape, one of my Clan did that to me; rewired my brain, my
> personality, my memories, barely left me my own reality. And I had to _ask_
> to have someone else do that to me again so as to try and fix the damage.
> Worse than that, I've had to ask to be violated this way many times because
> the damage is so extensive. And he wasn't even the first. I have damage that
> kindred cannot fix and I've been "entered" too many times to keep track. Even
> the loving touches of Fuchsia just trying to help me stay sane have been like
> being fucked with a branding iron...
>
> So, yes, I can empathise. Just a little bit.
>
I think we're competing for 'Understatement of the Year.'
<snip more>
> >You can get the full details of Tachi's treason from John Benedict, the
> >Tremere Primogen of Copenhagen, if you don't want to believe me.
>
> I do. Perhaps I am falling for a "sob-story" or just extending a little
> trust; it is hard to say, but I do believe you.
>
....Thanks. I mean that, Steerpike.
> >Apparently, he was investigating it.
>
> The downside of a clan as loyal as mine is that investigating someone else can
> seem more suspicious than any implication of something they might have done...
>
Huh? Oh....I get it.
> >Hate Cristian if you want to, Steerpike, but pick a better reason than
> >Tachi. That miserable bastard sold me into slavery because I made him
> >look a fool. He tried to re-ignite a war that had, at the cost of
> >countless lives--at last cooled. For nothing but pride. The bastard got
> >what he deserved.
> >
> >Is someone like Tachi *really* what you want to defend? What strengths
> >and truths of Clan Tremere did *he* uphold? How far are you going to go
> >for a Judas? If you believe so...make your arguments to the shades of
> >Mina, Grant, Evan, and Jules. Try telling it to me.
>
<respectful snip of first part of argument>
> Even if Tachi were the most vile creature on the planet, I would not wish that
> fate on him and I would not care to see the effects of his soul influencing
> his diableriser.
Well...I think that's where we're going to have a...what did Patch call
it? A difference in paradigm? Something like that. You're trying
embrace the tenets of pacifism--which I can respect. It takes a certain
kind of heart and will to take on the pains and angers the world hands out
and not lash out, either through calculation or reflex.
I, on the other hand... Lots of Kindred talk about how doing bad or evil
things will warp your Humanity. Not too many realize that having bad or
evil things done to you can warp it as well. Tachi had his world crumble.
He's now locked up in a Tzimisce's skull, if anything of his personality
survived at all. I'm sure it's something he would have feared and
despised. It would have been a nightmare of his.
Thanks to him, I'm living my worst nightmare. I know, in my soul, I
cannot survive another broken or severed Bond. The first one drove me
mad. The loss of a second would utterly destroy me. How much of your
Self can you lose before you are no longer yourself?
A nightmare for a nightmare. An eye for an eye.
> I, personally, could not even condemn him to death, but that is my
> beliefs and my subjective viewpoint (and, as an example, I offer the
> rapist of my mind mentioned above, who has been sent to Vienna and
> still do not wish *dead*).
Again, as I said, I can understand your view. But I'm not you. And far
worse could have befallen Tachi than Cristian. *I* could have gotten hold
of him. You learn a lot, cleaning up after people like my Sire, and
surviving the Sabbat version of 20 Questions. An *awful* lot. Tachi
wouldn't have died if he'd come into my hands. But by the second night,
he would have been begging for it. And maybe, after a few years, I would
have done it, too. Eventually.
> More objectively, I fail to see how diablerie renders anything good from the
> situation. It may even give the kindred a "second-life", manipulating
> Cristian from within.
Maybe. Maybe not. But my vengeful soul is far more comforted by this
than it would have been had I just heard he'd been sent to Vienna.
>
>
> Thankyou for the explanation, I really do appreciate it, even if I am touch
> "triggered" by it as well.
It's a touchy topic. Cristian does a lot of things...it's hard for me to
face. I know he's hurt a lot of people. I've seen them, talked to them.
But I love him. And love means you can't say, "I only accept this part of
you." You have to take the whole person. And I can't change him. I
wouldn't try. He's seen more shades of Hell than I can name. Who am I to
condem him for what he is...when I have been through so much less, and
done so much worse?
For what it's worth...I'm sorry your Clan lost Tachi...however long ago he
went 'bad.' He might have been a decent fellow once, and what he became
wouldn't have changed his past. But he chose to 'deal with the devil' as
it were. And the devil always collects.
>
> I make an offer I expect you to reject, but I'll offer it anyway: I can rid
> you of that blood bond. It comes with a price, but not one of mine. You can
> accept it you wish, I will not be offended if you don't.
*shudder* I...
I can't, Steerpike. I *know* you're not like him...but I can't. Maybe
I'm not desperate enough, yet. Or maybe I'm just too scared. But I
can't.
> Fare thee well and thanks again,
Maybe I should add 'Bearer of ill tidings' to my list of titles. %/
Take care, Steerpike. What's that saying...'Walk in beauty'?
Jesstyn Calliope
Clan Brujah
Jacynthe
<snip>
> The question merely comes down to the evidence provided linking the
> Tremere to the crime.
>
> As equerry to Her Majesty, it was my job to uncover plots aimed
> against the Realm and mayhaps it has left me with a twisted
> perspective but may I put the whole matter in a different light?
>
> We are told by Christian that there has been a joint Sabbat/Camarilla
> plot to cause you harm and to discredit you. Well, it is unfortunate
> that this information comes initially from Master Radulescu, a
> Tzchmize and that the plot is aimed against a well-known defender of
> the Camarilla. We are told that Tachi (a Camarilla Elder) was
> implicated, again by Christian. Unfortunately, he has not only got no
> evidence as to the truth of this but he regretably killed the
> suspect, thereby rendering him unavailable for questioning.
Maybe Crisitan doesn't have any physical evidence, your Lordship....but I
do. I still have the ensorcelled objects that served as the 'Trojan
Horse.' (And they say beware of *Greeks* bearing gifts? Sheez.) I'm
bringing them with me to Ottawa. I intend to ask Mr. Barratt to examine
them. As you know, he's a powerful Seer, and since he's already sworn an
Oath to Jessie of Clan Toreador, he can't be harmed by any binding magics
on the objects.
In Austin, where this all came to light, the Prince of that city agreed to
let Mr. Barratt examine me (and some others as well, I think). He was the
best choice, as a Clanless, he didn't have to worry about saving face for
either side.
Would you accept Mr. Barratts findings as evidence?
> Further,
> he diabolised him, making even his spirit inaccessible. He says that
> there are Sabbat involved in this plot yet, despite the above
> mentioned soul-drinking he can not name any of them.
Minor point: in Austin, he said that the 'fall guy' the Sabbat had picked
out was someone referred to as 'the lady reverend,' somebody who'd been
hurt in the suicide bombing, and so could be convincingly framed for what
I should hope is a crime in the Sabbat.
I wouldn't have a whole lot of luck tracking that down--for some odd
reason, the local Sabbat don't seem to trust our truce flags anymore--but
the Sabbat here should be able to run with that info. Hell, Bryce and
Finley were there for it, too.
> Therefore, in conclusion, we have one dead Camarilla Elder and his
> soul consumed by a Tzchmize in a way designed to discourage
> vengeance, one Camarilla warrior bound to a Sabbat member and rumours
> of a plot tearing apart the Clans. On the negative side for the
> Sabbat we have...it would appear nothing. This is why I do not
> believe the story presented thus far.
*faint smile* No matter the story, Lord Strange...I still have the end
result to live with.
I don't think I've been this scared in a long, long, time.
> > You can get the full details of Tachi's treason from John Benedict, the
> > Tremere Primogen of Copenhagen, if you don't want to believe me.
> > Apparently, he was investigating it.
>
> It is not you I do not believe for you are only transmiting the story
> you have been told. As for the rest, I remain to be convinced.
> >
> > Hate Cristian if you want to, Steerpike, but pick a better reason than
> > Tachi. That miserable bastard sold me into slavery because I made him
> > look a fool. He tried to re-ignite a war that had, at the cost of
> > countless lives--at last cooled. For nothing but pride. The bastard got
> > what he deserved.
>
> Mayhaps so, but it remains to be seen who is trying to re-ignite a war.
Indeed. And I'm *so* looking forward to who's behind it. Now, I know
that range-finder is in here somewhere...
>
> > Is someone like Tachi *really* what you want to defend? What strengths
> > and truths of Clan Tremere did *he* uphold? How far are you going to go
> > for a Judas? If you believe so...make your arguments to the shades of
> > Mina, Grant, Evan, and Jules. Try telling it to me.
>
> As e'er your servant. That Tachi was a lowlife I do not doubt, I
> merely remain unconvinced that his murderer was any better.
I can understand that. Though I don't agree.
Jesstyn Calliope
Clan Brujah
Getting that boxed in feeling...
David Townsend
from tali...@inet.uni2.dk (Simon Magid) contains these words:
[Snip]
> >The question merely comes down to the evidence provided linking the
> >Tremere to the crime.
> >As equerry to Her Majesty, it was my job to uncover plots aimed
> >against the Realm and mayhaps it has left me with a twisted
> >perspective but may I put the whole matter in a different light?
> >We are told by Christian that there has been a joint Sabbat/Camarilla
> >plot to cause you harm and to discredit you. Well, it is unfortunate
> >that this information comes initially from Master Radulescu, a
> >Tzchmize and that the plot is aimed against a well-known defender of
> >the Camarilla. We are told that Tachi (a Camarilla Elder) was
> >implicated, again by Christian. Unfortunately, he has not only got no
> >evidence as to the truth of this but he regretably killed the
> >suspect, thereby rendering him unavailable for questioning. Further,
> >he diabolised him, making even his spirit inaccessible. He says that
> >there are Sabbat involved in this plot yet, despite the above
> >mentioned soul-drinking he can not name any of them.
> >Therefore, in conclusion, we have one dead Camarilla Elder and his
> >soul consumed by a Tzchmize in a way designed to discourage
> >vengeance, one Camarilla warrior bound to a Sabbat member and rumours
> >of a plot tearing apart the Clans. On the negative side for the
> >Sabbat we have...it would appear nothing. This is why I do not
> >believe the story presented thus far.
> In that case, I have the solution to your problem, Lord Strange.
> The reason I did not name any names in the Sabbat was that I did not
> have any. I still do not. You can, however, easily gain access to the
> other evidence you mentioned, and I shall provide that access to you.
> At midnight tonight, I shall present myself to the entrance of Strange
> Cheney. There, I shall surrender my sword and myself to your
> authority. I assume that you, given possession of my person, will have
> the ability to secure the needed evidence from my mind. Or that you
> alternately will be able to obtain assistance from some Telepath or
> Interrogator in your service.
> Jess must be cleared. At any cost. I consider my unlife a quite
> reasonable price to pay to achieve it.
> With respect,
> Cristian Radulescu, Clan Tzimisce
> Baron of Tirgu Mures
> Priest of the Gray Hunters
> Bishop of Elsinore
I agree, in part anyway. I will not have the likes of yourself within
my family home and haven as I have long ago sworn that no
unapologetic diabolerist will leave the grounds alive.
However, if you present yourself to the front enterance of the
Hunters Club on Pall Mall east, just at the bottom of Haymarket, I
will deal with this matter with the aid of Magister and Edward Kelly.
Understand, any free passage that I grant stops at the door of
Hunters. I give you no guarantee that you will survive the
interrogation and, if I find the faintest trace of dissimulation, I
will eliminate you without a seconds compunction. I loathe you and
your kind and will only tolerate you in this instance for the sake of
the Lady Jesstyn.
If you accept these terms, I will issue you a free passage to London
and my driver will pick you up from whatever port of entry you specify.
Lord Ferdinando Stanley,
Fifth Earl of Derby,
Lord Strange,
Knight Commander, Order of the Swords of Night,
Defender of the Realm by the Grace of God and Queen Anne.
David Townsend
from tali...@inet.uni2.dk (Simon Magid) contains these words:
> >I must say that, having read the tale of this diabolerie, and e'en
> >putting my loathing of soul-drinkers to one side, I find Master
> >Radulescu's story both far-fetched and, indeed, fantastic.
> OOC: Let's not go there.
> I've read Paul Kiefer's comments on the recent conflict and I agree
> with him; I went overboard. The trouble with Radulescu is that he
> really isn't a very nice fellow and that he was originally created as
> an NPC. It may be a mistake to use him if he triggers this sort of
> mess every time I post for him.
> In any case, I'm done on this matter. I apologise for the created
> disruption, which was largely caused by overreaction on my part.
> Simon
No problem, old bean.
I have merely been expressing Strange's disbelief in the story, for
the reasons outlined in the Steerpike thread. Heck, I know that it is
almost certainly true but Strange has a very suspicious mind.
T.T.F.N.
--
David Townsend,
Slouching towards Bethlehem.
'I laugh in the face of danger - and then hide until it goes away.'
David Townsend
from Istvan Batory <ke...@kpople.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> >[Snip]
> >> >> I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
> >> >> diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
> >> >
> >> >Indeed, it took me some thirty seven years and fourteen deaths to get
> >> >o'er the diablerising of one of my Childe.
> >> >
> >> Fourteen deaths, It took one in my case, that of the Diablerist. But I
> >> suspect the circumstances were different. In any case Lord Strange you
> >> have my sympathy. And whatever help I may offer in the matter of Yvette
> >> is yours to command
> >
> >In the matter of Yvette, I thank you and may well call upon your aid.
> >At present, my investigations are leading me amongst the boardrooms,
> >penthouse and other rat-holes of the Old World.
> >
> A most unusual attitude for one of your clan.
The fact that I live and work there does not mean that I cannot see
them for what they are. Sleaze and iniquity exists everywhere.
> Well one thing I can help you with is the matter of spirits, I have a
> small degree of talent in that area, although I have no Necromancy as
> such. If you need me you have only to call.
I have a minor skill in Necromancy, there may well be a way to
combine our two limited abilities into something of more worth. Would
you know if a Spirit may have an arcane connection, through which it
could be traced?
> By the way how is the mortal girl Beatrice?
Well enow. Victor and myself are working very slowly to remove those
unpleasant traps left in her mind but steady progress is being made.
Physically, the efforts of that night in Austin have left scars but
the actions of those present seem to have ensured that no permanent
damage has occurred. She sends her thanks to all involved.
Det. VanDam
>>> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
*Silence*
Why was I not told of this?
Who do I call friends on this NG, or in the Order of AGVTM, would know this
information and not have informed me of it?
I was at the Austin Wake, and witnessed her remains lowered into the earth.
How can this statement be possible?
Det. VanDam, CPD
Darrien
>> >with certain information that I have received from the Giovanni and
>> >it worries them no end.
>> I'll bet; they must hate for there to be a captive soul out there that they
>> did not imprison themselves.
>I can name that tune in one.
"Bitterness in C minor," I think.
>> What I know:
<snip>
>> - They attempted to fufil their ritual by rescuing the soul, but were driven
>> back by some powerful wards. The magician was not doubt aware of their
>> efforts, but the Spooks failed to recover the soul. Hence, a thamaturge or
>> magi must be involved.
>
>Very interesting. Unfortunately, my expert on matters Thaumaturgical
>knows naught of spirits and the suchlike, adding little insight into
>this discussion.
I have banished a damn powerful Spook once and interacted with a few others
who could make their presence known to me. That's it. I'm afraid Fuchsia was
the expert, not me and I know of only path of Thaumaturgy that would help in
this matter, which I have not learnt :(
>> - Fuchsia relieved the Spooks commitment to this matter when she learnt of the
>> above and was supposed to follow up on it. However, a Giovanni killed her
>> (coincidence ?).
>
>Possibly not. There is a Giovanni that I must speak to about this
>whole affair but he seems to have gone missing o'er the Yuletide
>period, mayhaps a coincidence, mayhaps not.
I could not say.
<<OOC: If your Giovanni is well-connected within the Clan, email me for some
more details on the matter>>
>> For my part, I just read of Radulescu's diablerie of one of my clan. I'm
>> afraid that I can neither forgive nor forget that and I have seen nothing to
>> indicate that he was in some way forced into defending himself by ripping the
>> soul from one of my Clan's blood. I take back any offer of a favour and
>> advise him to steer clear of me if we ever meet in the flesh.
>
>I must say that, having read the tale of this diabolerie, and e'en
>putting my loathing of soul-drinkers to one side, I find Master
>Radulescu's story both far-fetched and, indeed, fantastic.
I have yet to hear _anything_ from Radu but his premediated diablerie of the
Tremere who did naught to harm him personality (naught that he has spoken of,
that is).
>> >Indeed, it took me some thirty seven years and fourteen deaths to get
>> >o'er the diablerising of one of my Childe.
>> I am pacifist... it makes the need for self-control that much more difficult
>> :(
>
>Mayhaps regretable. I try to retain of much of my humanity that I can
>yet there was a cathartic element to the destruction of my foes. Mind
>you, putting the Beast back within it's cage proved to be more
>difficult than I had hoped.
I do not see vengance as a suitable solution for either Radu or the Giovanni
who diablerised my friend - but then, I wouldn't, would I ? - however keeping
them from hurting other people does seem like a very wise move. Not one I
concern _myself_ with though - I cannot live on a path like that.
Darrien
<<OOC: *ouch*... I'll try to make sense of this :-( >>
<snip Spooks>
>>Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was never
>>told how.
>Might be a good time ta find out.
I cannot. Fuchsia was the source of this information and she is... no longer
able to help us.
>>Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my clan
>>prevent this ?
>Considerin' what we've been through, Ah'm inclined ta believe ya.
Thanks, Dammie :)
>>For my part, I just read of Radulescu's diablerie of one of my clan. I'm
>>afraid that I can neither forgive nor forget that and I have seen nothing to
>>indicate that he was in some way forced into defending himself by ripping the
>>soul from one of my Clan's blood. I take back any offer of a favour and advise
>>him to steer clear of me if we ever meet in the flesh.
>Ah'd hold off if Ah were you. Let's try not ta eliminate any options that
>might work in yer favor.
You can work with him if you chose. Please do not involve me with him under
any circumstances. I'll help you all I can, but I will not work with him in
any way.
>>I am pacifist... it makes the need for self-control that much more difficult.
>>:(
>Ah'm a soldier by nature. Ah've fought.....an' killed....ta survive. Ah'm
>willin' ta do whatever it takes.
>
>However, this is well outside mah experiences. Ah'm probably gonna need help.
>Maybe we should bring Colin inta this one, seein' as he's dealt with th' Occult
>an' is a pretty good tracker. This would be more his speed than mine.
All of my occult contacts are available as a resource for you. I have
contacts throughout England and France, a few in the rest of Europe and I have
strong ties in the states of Ohio, New York and New Jersey. If they use any
contacts of this nature to help them, I should be able to learn of their
movements pretty quickly.
<<OOC: The _only_ area I consider Steerpike to be foul in is his occult
contacts, so he certainly can keep track of most movements/requests in those
geographical areas or know when someone is trying to hide their actions>>
Darrien
>>>and if you think
>>>that _your_ thinly veiled and utterly insubstantial threats will make
>>>me either take or eschew any action, or make me go to a place or seek
>>>to avoid it, you are badly deluding yourself.
>>A statement you are quick to contradict below:
>Yes, yes. So _you_ say.
Sorry ?
"if you think that _your_ thinly veiled and utterly insubstantial threats will
make me... take or eschew any action... you are badly deluding yourself."
and
"In that case, perhaps I _should_ seek you out."
No contradiction ?
>>How frightfully uninsightful of you. Since I am a pacifist and claim to be
>>so, why would I be making a physical threat ? Simple answer: I'm not.
>Exactly. You are not a pacifist, you only pretend to be one. Thus, by
>entering your presence, I have the entertainment of seeing you
>struggle to justify your own hypocrisy.
How exactly do you work out that I am not a pacifist ?
>And thus you insulted me in public, assuring that I would respond to
>you?
And then you follow:
>Personally, I could not care less what you think.
No contradiction ?
<snip>
>even if I _were_ in the habit of entering the homes of others uninvited, which I am not,.
You said that you may do so, not me: "In that case, perhaps I _should_ seek
you out."
No contradiction ?
>>I'm not surprised. From someone who can delight in their soul-stealing and
>>muder of another kindred and yet pretend to empathise with me when I speak of
>>feeling distressed over that happening to a friend of mine (and I quote you:
>>"Believe me, sir, I know the feeling"), should I expect anything but a
>>hypocritical response ?
>
>Well, since _you_ are evidently omniscient and the sole judge of what
>is moral and right in this world, you must be right, mustn't you. Heh.
How do you draw those conclusions from what I have said ?
To remind you, what I did say was:
"I have seen nothing to indicate that he was in some way forced into defending
himself by ripping the soul from one of my Clan's blood."
That is not a call to omniscience, but rather a statement of the reverse. I
draw your attention in particular to "I have seen nothing..."
Indeed most, if not all, of my comments were made from *my* perspective (e.g.
"I think you are a loathsome, hypocritical little shite") and not the position
of a *sole* judge of anything - it was not a statement of objective judgement
at all (e.g. "You are...").
In contradiction to this, your statements include:
" You are not a pacifist, you only pretend to be one"
" _you_ are evidently omniscient and the sole judge of what is moral and right
in this world"
Find a single contradiction in my statements, find one reason to justify your
comment that you have had "the entertainment of seeing [me] struggle to
justify [my] own hypocrisy."
I have yet to any proof of you having the ability to do so, though that might
be simply because I *haven't* contradicted myself.
>[OOC: But in any case, I suggest we let this drop, it's getting a mite too personal IMO.]
<<OOC: My first draft of the post you responded to was *far* worse and about
twice as long. But I've kept the response even more brief and to the point
this time, removing the insults. If, however, you expect Steerpike to let
Radu have the last word on this one, you're gravely mistaken <eg>>>
LizzieW82
>dar...@morpheus.rmta.org (Darrien)
>wrote:
>
>>>I am sorry. But if miss Natalie will not help me, I must find another
>>>Camarilla Tremere to help me. Another one I dare extend that trust to.
>>>These are about as common as square eggs...
>
>><whismical smirk>
>
>>It is perhaps unfortunate that I cannot gain a reccomendation from someone
>who
>>is already dead, but it is not something that I'll let haunt me.
>
>
>
>...no, I was not.
::the sound of yet another wall shattering:: What?
Damndamndamndamndamndamndamn. And what are we going to do about this? yeah,
so tact isn't high on my list of things to use right now. That was an offer of
help.
Dear mary, joseph and jesus... Wait till Valkyrie reads this.
>>The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
>>friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
>>at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root
>of
>>this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
>>that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
>>them (and hence all wraiths).
>
>Ah.
::growl:: That's not playing bloody fair. That's damned right cheating.
::pause, sounds of splattering blood, screaming etc. Then quiet:: I feel
better.
>>Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was
>never
>>told how.
>
>>Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my
>clan
>>prevent this ?
>
>Sir, your Clan does not prevent this. It is merely that I would not
>entrust _anyone_, Sabbat or Camarilla, Tremere or Tzimisce, with that
>missive if I did not trust them _absolutely_.
>
>As for your information... it sheds light on some odd events that have
>happened lately. I thank you for it. I now have an idea of what to do.
>With luck, I may be able to act with sufficient speed to save
>Octavian's and the Doctor's lives.
Cristian, you may not know me all that well, and I doubt anywhere near enough
to trust me absolutely but if my auspex and such can help, it waits for you to
ask.
>>I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
>>diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
>
>Believe me, sir, I know the feeling. Having one's entire Pack
>slaughtered and the woman one loves trapped by a Blood Bond to someone
>else does not particularly improve one's mood either.
::Silence::
>>Steerpike
>
>Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce in a poor mood
The Piper, anon
"I don't get even. I get a head." anon
LizzieW82
>dar...@morpheus.rmta.org (Darrien)
>wrote:
>
>>>I am sorry. But if miss Natalie will not help me, I must find another
>>>Camarilla Tremere to help me. Another one I dare extend that trust to.
>>>These are about as common as square eggs...
>
>><whismical smirk>
>
>>It is perhaps unfortunate that I cannot gain a reccomendation from someone
>who
>>is already dead, but it is not something that I'll let haunt me.
>
>>By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>
>*silence*
>
>...no, I was not.
I'm calm. Really I am. Otherwise the sheriff, the Prince and Serena
wouldn't have let me off of the bed and out of the chains. And they were even
nice enough to tell me where my swords are. Of course if I go near them until
I get permission, back to chains I go.
I carry Yvette's honor now. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!?!?!?!
>>The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
>>friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
>>at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root
>of
>>this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
>>that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
>>them (and hence all wraiths).
>
>Ah.
>
>>Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was
>never
>>told how.
>
>>Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my
>clan
>>prevent this ?
>
>Sir, your Clan does not prevent this. It is merely that I would not
>entrust _anyone_, Sabbat or Camarilla, Tremere or Tzimisce, with that
>missive if I did not trust them _absolutely_.
I don't know how far your trust extends to me Cristian. But My services and
my honor lay at your feet. I pledge to help my sister in any possible way if
only prayers to a god I don't belive in.
>As for your information... it sheds light on some odd events that have
>happened lately. I thank you for it. I now have an idea of what to do.
>With luck, I may be able to act with sufficient speed to save
>Octavian's and the Doctor's lives.
May they awaken.
>>I apologise in advance if my tone bothers you - having my best friend
>>diablerised has screwed up my sense of humour somewhat.
>
>Believe me, sir, I know the feeling. Having one's entire Pack
>slaughtered and the woman one loves trapped by a Blood Bond to someone
>else does not particularly improve one's mood either.
I know the feeling. Now, business, how do we help Yvette and repay the honor
debt owed to her honor. She has been wronged and I vow to lay aside my hunt
until that wrong has been righted.
>>Steerpike
>
>Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce in a poor mood
V. Dawn-Runner, Making a blood crazed, zulo form, god-level disciplined,
frenzying, homocidal Caine look the very soul of peace.
"If to forgive is divine, there would be no Hell." _Dawn --Lucifer's Halo_ #5
Remove .azgoth from addy if you wish to mail me something
LizzieW82
I'm sorry, Do I detect a hint of bitterness? Why fucking yes, I do.
I don't care if you both hate each other with a passion that collapses
stars, destroys gods, creates new races and restores Satan to heaven so you two
can take his place.
I want to know how any of this helps Yvette? I want to know how you can
stoop so low as to disregard what little affection, debt, love, acknowledgment
you have for her and let her linger in a form of hell.
I carry her honor and I put aside my own till her's is restored. Put aside
the bickering until then. Then fuck each other over as much as you both can
for all I care. Just stop behaving like five year old children arguing over
who gets the tinker toys in the sand box.
Did any of that go by to fast for you?
(Dictated by Valkyrie who is now back in chains, Leather straps, 4 guards and
a room with nothing breakable even for her level of potence. Serena.)
LizzieW82
(Simon Magid) contains these words:
Gentleman, just as an offer, if nothing else, than to clear this up so as to
hurry on to Yvette, if you wish to wait but a day, I myself will arrive and
take on the role of Auspexer/interrogator. I am unbiased in this instance, at
least more so than anyone in Lord Strange's employ/association, or Cristians.
(no offense meant to either party.)
The Piper, anon
PKieferjr
In article <19990105011357...@ng34.aol.com>,
lizz...@aol.com.azgoth (LizzieW82) writes:
> (Dictated by Valkyrie who is now back in chains, Leather straps, 4 guards
>and
>a room with nothing breakable even for her level of potence. Serena.)
WHAT TH' HELL IS GOIN' ON!!?? What's this Ah hear about staps an' all!!??
LizzieW82
>Jacynthe <Cbo...@cris.com> chisled upon hir tombstone:
><snip first part of story>
>>ANd then Giles told them I was Blood Bound to Perry. And what was bad got
>>indescribably worse. Then they went too far, and killed Perry. You've
>>been Bound, Steerpike, if only as a Ghoul. Imagine that Bond shattering.
>>Imagine your heart's own, just out of reach, suffering torment anfter
>>torment, and being unable to help. And one of your own, laughing on the
>>sidelines.
>
>I was bound as a ghoul for many years and my Clan took that bond from me, but
>I still remember it. I was also bound as a kindred to another, mutually
>loving and that was taken from me also. But I still love them both and I
>think I can begin to empathise for I know how strongly I would feel now to
>hear of their deaths and I know how I would have felt then...
>
>...your hatred seems beyond reasonable to me.
It's different if your still bound to a person at the moment of their death.
Ash was bound to her sire and when he went up in flames so did she, literally.
I felt Joseph die. I felt the agony, the pain, the fear,hate,horror. I
heard him screaming forgiveness to a god he'd denied existed. I felt every
ounce of everything he felt. I can still feel those things sometimes when I
dream.
>Thankyou for the explanation, I really do appreciate it, even if I am touch
>"triggered" by it as well.
Trite responses, snubbery and anger. That is what I read in your response.
If you wish Cristian to stay away from you, then I suggest you avoid me. I
diablorized my own childer. Remember the aforementioned Joseph? He blood
bound me for nearly a century, had me dominated me, mind-raped me with
regularity, tried to recreate my psyche, morals, and life. He succeeded. By
sheer force of will alone I killed him. And that death ended in his soul being
ripped out of his body and into mine. I felt both sides of that, the awful
pain to the point of pleasure (or vise versa) he felt and the disgusting
loathesome ecstasy I felt. Echo's of agony.
Others have, if not forgiven me for my actions, accepted it happened and will
still treat me like a person. Until such time as you chose to, please extend
me the same assbackwards courtesy as Cristian and stay away from me. I'll
return the favor.
Serena Moirane Dareis'mai, Toreador
LizzieW82
> Simon Magid wrote:
><snip>
>> At midnight tonight, I shall present myself to the entrance of Strange
>> Cheney. There, I shall surrender my sword and myself to your
>> authority. I assume that you, given possession of my person, will have
>> the ability to secure the needed evidence from my mind. Or that you
>> alternately will be able to obtain assistance from some Telepath or
>> Interrogator in your service.
>
>not that I don't trust Strange, I do. But the last time someone I loved
>went to England to argue a case, well....we know what happened then, don't
>we?
>
>Somebody launched this crap because they wanted a war. My suspicion, or
>your dead body would both accomplish the same thing. Call me stubborn, I
>don't intend to let them have the war they want so desperately.
>
>I *will* be there. I have a stake in this, as well (if you'll pardon the
>expression ;) ) and whatever evidence or information is revealed is
>certainly something I have a right to hear directly.
>
>> reasonable price to pay to achieve it.
>
>behind. I'm just tired.
You know sister, you make a difficult arguement to avoid, that and The Piper
just decked the Prince, unchained me and did that flute thing to the guards to
get them to back off. I'm writing this from a plane she has. Cordless modems.
Whoddathunk it?
I guess we'll be outside there too. I'm perfectly willing to stay out side
until it's over, though I would feel safer inside with you. If things hit the
fan, Cristian is first on target list and then you. And I'm a little to fond
of you two to let you die on me.
As for The Piper, um deal with her yourselves. I'm actully a little
frightened of her now.
>As always...
(OOC: I wouldn't do this, but several interesting events in my LARP game
where they are play seriously influenced the reactions they are both having.
If you really reallly really don't want them there, just tell Valkyrie to stand
outside and argue down The Piper. The situation with Yvette is really
important to them right now.)
>Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, called
>the Red Daeva of Abenegdor, of Clan Brujah
>
>And since we're listing titles:
>Prince's Champion for the City of Refuge
>Maskholder and votary for Red Nemaine
V. Dawn-Runner, (since we're being all fancy assed) Called Pack-Killer,
Runs-with-Death, Runs-With-Dawn, Wyrm's Child, Arm of Justice, and The Avenger
Titles: <Snip a dozenish from times/places that no longer exist in more than
my memory anymore> Sister-In-Arms to Yvette, Holder of Yvette's honor,
Soon-to-be Sister-In-Arms to Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, Senscheal to Prince
Vladimir Romananovich of Phoenix, Master of Stone Knife Academy, Bladesmaster,
etc etc.
Clan Toreador
(See, aren't we all just being a little silly throwing titles around???)
Simon Magid
<davidt...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>I agree, in part anyway. I will not have the likes of yourself within
>my family home and haven as I have long ago sworn that no
>unapologetic diabolerist will leave the grounds alive.
Ah. Well, far be it from me to enter _anybody's_ home uninvited.
>However, if you present yourself to the front enterance of the
>Hunters Club on Pall Mall east, just at the bottom of Haymarket, I
>will deal with this matter with the aid of Magister and Edward Kelly.
I shall be there without fail tomorrow at midnight.
>Understand, any free passage that I grant stops at the door of
>Hunters. I give you no guarantee that you will survive the
>interrogation and, if I find the faintest trace of dissimulation, I
>will eliminate you without a seconds compunction. I loathe you and
>your kind and will only tolerate you in this instance for the sake of
>the Lady Jesstyn.
*shrug* It is moot to me. Since this is a formal military surrender
and not an attack or intrusion into your territory, it is not as if I
am really that worried about committing an impropriety. Or, for that
matter, as if I have any particularly great expectations of surviving
this.
>If you accept these terms, I will issue you a free passage to London
>and my driver will pick you up from whatever port of entry you specify.
In that case, let it be at the main entrance of the Tower of London.
The symbolism appeals to me, and that way, your man will not have too
far to drive.
>Lord Ferdinando Stanley,
>Fifth Earl of Derby,
>Lord Strange,
>Knight Commander, Order of the Swords of Night,
>Defender of the Realm by the Grace of God and Queen Anne.
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce
Simon Magid
wrote:
And none taken. It will be up to Lord Strange to decide whether to
accept your help, however. But thank you for your offer.
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce
Simon Magid
wrote:
><<OOC: My first draft of the post you responded to was *far* worse and about
>twice as long. But I've kept the response even more brief and to the point
>this time, removing the insults. If, however, you expect Steerpike to let
>Radu have the last word on this one, you're gravely mistaken <eg>>>
[OOC: He can have it. I've _said_ I was going to discontinue this. And
I meant it. I'm done.]
Simon
David Townsend
from lizz...@aol.com.azgoth (LizzieW82) contains these words:
> David Townsend wrote:
> (Simon Magid) contains these words:
> <snip challenge>
> Gentleman, just as an offer, if nothing else, than to clear this up so as to
> hurry on to Yvette, if you wish to wait but a day, I myself will arrive and
> take on the role of Auspexer/interrogator. I am unbiased in this instance, at
> least more so than anyone in Lord Strange's employ/association, or Cristians.
> (no offense meant to either party.)
> The Piper, anon
Thank you, m'dear, your offer is accepted.
I will see you tonight.
Lord Strange.
David Townsend
from Jacynthe <Cbo...@cris.com> contains these words:
> <snip>
> > The question merely comes down to the evidence provided linking the
> > Tremere to the crime.
> >
> > As equerry to Her Majesty, it was my job to uncover plots aimed
> > against the Realm and mayhaps it has left me with a twisted
> > perspective but may I put the whole matter in a different light?
> >
> > We are told by Christian that there has been a joint Sabbat/Camarilla
> > plot to cause you harm and to discredit you. Well, it is unfortunate
> > that this information comes initially from Master Radulescu, a
> > Tzchmize and that the plot is aimed against a well-known defender of
> > the Camarilla. We are told that Tachi (a Camarilla Elder) was
> > implicated, again by Christian. Unfortunately, he has not only got no
> > evidence as to the truth of this but he regretably killed the
> > suspect, thereby rendering him unavailable for questioning.
> Maybe Crisitan doesn't have any physical evidence, your Lordship....but I
> do. I still have the ensorcelled objects that served as the 'Trojan
> Horse.' (And they say beware of *Greeks* bearing gifts? Sheez.) I'm
> bringing them with me to Ottawa. I intend to ask Mr. Barratt to examine
> them. As you know, he's a powerful Seer, and since he's already sworn an
> Oath to Jessie of Clan Toreador, he can't be harmed by any binding magics
> on the objects.
> In Austin, where this all came to light, the Prince of that city agreed to
> let Mr. Barratt examine me (and some others as well, I think). He was the
> best choice, as a Clanless, he didn't have to worry about saving face for
> either side.
> Would you accept Mr. Barratts findings as evidence?
I would, although I would be lying if I stated that I was happy with
this investigation taking place in Ottawa. I would be far happier in
a Camarilla city but so be it.
> > Further,
> > he diabolised him, making even his spirit inaccessible. He says that
> > there are Sabbat involved in this plot yet, despite the above
> > mentioned soul-drinking he can not name any of them.
> Minor point: in Austin, he said that the 'fall guy' the Sabbat had picked
> out was someone referred to as 'the lady reverend,' somebody who'd been
> hurt in the suicide bombing, and so could be convincingly framed for what
> I should hope is a crime in the Sabbat.
> I wouldn't have a whole lot of luck tracking that down--for some odd
> reason, the local Sabbat don't seem to trust our truce flags anymore--but
> the Sabbat here should be able to run with that info. Hell, Bryce and
> Finley were there for it, too.
Assuming that this whole affair is not merely a sordid Sabbat plot.
> > Therefore, in conclusion, we have one dead Camarilla Elder and his
> > soul consumed by a Tzchmize in a way designed to discourage
> > vengeance, one Camarilla warrior bound to a Sabbat member and rumours
> > of a plot tearing apart the Clans. On the negative side for the
> > Sabbat we have...it would appear nothing. This is why I do not
> > believe the story presented thus far.
> *faint smile* No matter the story, Lord Strange...I still have the end
> result to live with.
> I don't think I've been this scared in a long, long, time.
Indeed. I am trying to find the true cause of your distress so as to
provide more chances to alleviate the condition.
> > >
> > > Hate Cristian if you want to, Steerpike, but pick a better reason than
> > > Tachi. That miserable bastard sold me into slavery because I made him
> > > look a fool. He tried to re-ignite a war that had, at the cost of
> > > countless lives--at last cooled. For nothing but pride. The bastard got
> > > what he deserved.
> >
> > Mayhaps so, but it remains to be seen who is trying to re-ignite a war.
> Indeed. And I'm *so* looking forward to who's behind it. Now, I know
> that range-finder is in here somewhere...
> >
> > > Is someone like Tachi *really* what you want to defend? What strengths
> > > and truths of Clan Tremere did *he* uphold? How far are you going to go
> > > for a Judas? If you believe so...make your arguments to the shades of
> > > Mina, Grant, Evan, and Jules. Try telling it to me.
> >
> > As e'er your servant. That Tachi was a lowlife I do not doubt, I
> > merely remain unconvinced that his murderer was any better.
> I can understand that. Though I don't agree.
> Jesstyn Calliope
> Clan Brujah
> Getting that boxed in feeling...
Lord Strange
Clan Ventrue,
Doing his best.
David Townsend
from Jacynthe <Cbo...@cris.com> contains these words:
> > At midnight tonight, I shall present myself to the entrance of Strange
> > Cheney. There, I shall surrender my sword and myself to your
> > authority. I assume that you, given possession of my person, will have
> > the ability to secure the needed evidence from my mind. Or that you
> > alternately will be able to obtain assistance from some Telepath or
> > Interrogator in your service.
> Not without me, you're not. Reserve another place at that table. It's
> not that I don't trust Strange, I do. But the last time someone I loved
> went to England to argue a case, well....we know what happened then, don't
> we?
> Somebody launched this crap because they wanted a war. My suspicion, or
> your dead body would both accomplish the same thing. Call me stubborn, I
> don't intend to let them have the war they want so desperately.
> I *will* be there. I have a stake in this, as well (if you'll pardon the
> expression ;) ) and whatever evidence or information is revealed is
> certainly something I have a right to hear directly.
> > Jess must be cleared. At any cost. I consider my unlife a quite
> > reasonable price to pay to achieve it.
> I don't. I'm tired of people dying for me. I'm tired of being left
> behind. I'm just tired.
> As always...
> Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, called
> the Red Daeva of Abenegdor, of Clan Brujah
> And since we're listing titles:
> Prince's Champion for the City of Refuge
> Maskholder and votary for Red Nemaine
Agreed, you will be present at the interrogation. After all, it
concerns you far more than anyone else present.
Lord Strange.
David Townsend
from lizz...@aol.com.azgoth (LizzieW82) contains these words:
> ><snip>
> >> At midnight tonight, I shall present myself to the entrance of Strange
> >> Cheney. There, I shall surrender my sword and myself to your
> >> authority. I assume that you, given possession of my person, will have
> >> the ability to secure the needed evidence from my mind. Or that you
> >> alternately will be able to obtain assistance from some Telepath or
> >> Interrogator in your service.
> >
> >Not without me, you're not. Reserve another place at that table. It's
> >not that I don't trust Strange, I do. But the last time someone I loved
> >went to England to argue a case, well....we know what happened then, don't
> >we?
> >
> >Somebody launched this crap because they wanted a war. My suspicion, or
> >your dead body would both accomplish the same thing. Call me stubborn, I
> >don't intend to let them have the war they want so desperately.
> >
> >I *will* be there. I have a stake in this, as well (if you'll pardon the
> >expression ;) ) and whatever evidence or information is revealed is
> >certainly something I have a right to hear directly.
> >
> >> Jess must be cleared. At any cost. I consider my unlife a quite
> >> reasonable price to pay to achieve it.
> >
> >I don't. I'm tired of people dying for me. I'm tired of being left
> >behind. I'm just tired.
> You know sister, you make a difficult arguement to avoid, that and The Piper
> just decked the Prince, unchained me and did that flute thing to the guards to
> get them to back off. I'm writing this from a plane she has. Cordless modems.
> Whoddathunk it?
> I guess we'll be outside there too. I'm perfectly willing to stay out side
> until it's over, though I would feel safer inside with you. If things hit the
> fan, Cristian is first on target list and then you. And I'm a little to fond
> of you two to let you die on me.
> As for The Piper, um deal with her yourselves. I'm actully a little
> frightened of her now.
> >As always...
> (OOC: I wouldn't do this, but several interesting events in my LARP game
> where they are play seriously influenced the reactions they are both having.
> If you really reallly really don't want them there, just tell Valkyrie to stand
> outside and argue down The Piper. The situation with Yvette is really
> important to them right now.)
> >Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, called
> >the Red Daeva of Abenegdor, of Clan Brujah
> >
> >And since we're listing titles:
> >Prince's Champion for the City of Refuge
> >Maskholder and votary for Red Nemaine
> V. Dawn-Runner, (since we're being all fancy assed) Called Pack-Killer,
> Runs-with-Death, Runs-With-Dawn, Wyrm's Child, Arm of Justice, and The Avenger
> Titles: <Snip a dozenish from times/places that no longer exist in more than
> my memory anymore> Sister-In-Arms to Yvette, Holder of Yvette's honor,
> Soon-to-be Sister-In-Arms to Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, Senscheal to Prince
> Vladimir Romananovich of Phoenix, Master of Stone Knife Academy, Bladesmaster,
> etc etc.
> Clan Toreador
> (See, aren't we all just being a little silly throwing titles around???)
Mercy me, this is going to get crowded and the poor old Sheriff will
get indigestion. Ah well, so be it, you too are invited.
Lord Strange.
Darrien
>>>> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>
>
>Why was I not told of this?
I learnt of it exactly two days before Fuchsia's demise and why she didn't
tell anyone earlier, I am not sure. I believe the Spooks visited her a day or
two after the Wake and she was never one to use computers or the phone
(although she sent you an email, I believe... I'm not sure how she did that).
I think, basically, I'm saying that I'm not sure why she kept it to herself.
For my part, this is the first time I've _remembered_ to say anything and if
that sounds careless on my part, I can only refer to the state of my memories
in general and the fact that this simply will not be the last time I forget
something important until I am reminded of it.
>Who do I call friends on this NG, or in the Order of AGVTM, would know this
>information and not have informed me of it?
I am sorry, I was wrapped up in my grief and forgetfulness :-(
>I was at the Austin Wake, and witnessed her remains lowered into the earth.
>How can this statement be possible?
I do not know... all I know is what I have detailed so far.
Darrien
>dar...@morpheus.rmta.org (Darrien) wrote:
>>Jacynthe <Cbo...@cris.com> chisled upon hir tombstone:
>
>><snip first part of story>
>>>ANd then Giles told them I was Blood Bound to Perry. And what was bad got
>>>indescribably worse. Then they went too far, and killed Perry. You've
>>>been Bound, Steerpike, if only as a Ghoul. Imagine that Bond shattering.
>>>Imagine your heart's own, just out of reach, suffering torment anfter
>>>torment, and being unable to help. And one of your own, laughing on the
>>>sidelines.
>>
>>I was bound as a ghoul for many years and my Clan took that bond from me, but
>>I still remember it. I was also bound as a kindred to another, mutually
>>loving and that was taken from me also. But I still love them both and I
>>think I can begin to empathise for I know how strongly I would feel now to
>>hear of their deaths and I know how I would have felt then...
>>
>>...your hatred seems beyond reasonable to me.
>
> It's different if your still bound to a person at the moment of their death.
>Ash was bound to her sire and when he went up in flames so did she, literally.
> I felt Joseph die. I felt the agony, the pain, the fear,hate,horror. I
>heard him screaming forgiveness to a god he'd denied existed. I felt every
>ounce of everything he felt. I can still feel those things sometimes when I
>dream.
I think my wording was misleading... by "beyond reasonable" I meant "more than
reasonable" not "unreasonable".
>>Thankyou for the explanation, I really do appreciate it, even if I am touch
>>"triggered" by it as well.
>
> Trite responses, snubbery and anger. That is what I read in your response.
Really ? Was it that one, poorly phrased, sentence that gave you that
impression or everything ? Regardless, nothing I said was trite or intended
to snub Jesstyn. I have some anger, yes, but it was not directed at her.
> If you wish Cristian to stay away from you, then I suggest you avoid me. I
>diablorized my own childer. Remember the aforementioned Joseph? He blood
>bound me for nearly a century, had me dominated me, mind-raped me with
>regularity, tried to recreate my psyche, morals, and life. He succeeded. By
>sheer force of will alone I killed him. And that death ended in his soul being
>ripped out of his body and into mine. I felt both sides of that, the awful
>pain to the point of pleasure (or vise versa) he felt and the disgusting
>loathesome ecstasy I felt. Echo's of agony.
Would you do it again or just kill him ?
That is perhaps a pointless question and irrelevant to this particular
subject; Cristian was not abused as you were. That may be stupid line to be
drawing in the sand, but I know that I used to do things motivated by a deep
sense of vengance and I've only recently over that almost fanatical reaction
to being done wrong. Again, that would not make me "right" to go ahead and
kill someone just cos they pissed me off, but that isn't what _you_ did.
Hmmm.... I have the distinct sensation that anything I say right now will not
be taken the way is was intended...
> Others have, if not forgiven me for my actions, accepted it happened and will
>still treat me like a person. Until such time as you chose to, please extend
>me the same assbackwards courtesy as Cristian and stay away from me. I'll
>return the favor.
If that is *your* feeling, then I guess I should. I have not tried to do
anything but treat you as a person on my part and have not spoken to you on
this matter before now to be judged as to how I was treating you, as a person
or not. If you see something else there, I apologise, and assure that you
that it was not _intended_ to be there.
SirArtist
<gaud...@windsor.igs.net> wrote:
>
>>>> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>
>*Silence*
>
>Why was I not told of this?
>
>Who do I call friends on this NG, or in the Order of AGVTM, would know this
>information and not have informed me of it?
>
>I was at the Austin Wake, and witnessed her remains lowered into the earth.
>How can this statement be possible?
>
>Det. VanDam, CPD
>
>
Despite what you may wish for, however fervently, I assure you that
Yvette is quite dead, and in fact, has passed on to her Reward. The
way to her current state is impassable, and the being you all knew as
Yvette, or Lethe, or Synthia, is once again part part of the cyclical
flow of energy. She will someday return as a discrete personality, but
that is in our future, and cannot be controlled in any way.
I do not know who posted the sentence you were reacting to, but I
assure you that they were mistaken, or lying. I have known Yvette in
every way possible, save the biblical, and I can assure you, that if
it were possible to retrieve her essence, I would have mentioned the
fact, regardless of any hesitation to do so that I might have felt.
Please be so good as to take my word for it; no necromancer, however
powerful, is capable of manipulating the world beyond to the extent
needed to grasp a soul from what lies behind the Tempest. Anyone who
tells you differently is selling you something.
I do hope that you will understand, that she is at peace, and that she
is beyond our reach.
Yours in Dark Faith Eternal,
Justin Crowe - Artist, Priest, All-Around Bastard
SirArtist
>>>By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>>The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
>>>friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
>>>at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root
>>of
>>>this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
>>>that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
>>>them (and hence all wraiths).
Ah, now I begin to see the misunderstanding.
This 'Spooks Guild' has, unfortunately, jumped to the wrong conclusion
after their failure to detect Yvette's 'bio-signature' as having
passed through their lands. Despite their failure to detect her, I
reiterate, Yvette *has* passed through the Tempest on to her Reward.
Although different cultures have different terminology, I will
endeavor to explain:
Yvette was, as I'm sure you all know, aware of her impending death.
And, as I'm sure you all know, she was quite adamant about staying the
course she had chosen for herself. This determination was a hallmark
of her character, and defined her death as surely as it defined her
life, and her unlife.
As some of you may know, Yvette spent some time with me this summer
past, shortly before the events which led to her death. We spoke of
many things, including what should happen to her tis-bon-ange should
she meet Final Death. It was at this time that she extracted from me
my promise to not attempt to recall her from the Shadowlands. I now
know that she was laying the groundwork for her subsequent actions,
but at the time I merely acceded to her wishes, as she was my friend.
When her tis-bon-ange was released into the ether, at the hand of her
Sire, I knew of it. How could I not? And I struggled mightily with the
thought that I had, however unknowingly, consigned her to be forever
beyond my reach. Yet I felt that I owed her more than mere grief.
And so, I expedited her travel to the Realms beyond. I, Justin Crowe,
harvested her caul myself, and escorted her tis-bon-ange through the
Shadowlands, masking her foundling presence from the predators of that
realm, and escorted her to the Gates Beyond. I was the one who ushered
her to her Reward, and bid my friend a safe goodbye as she transcended
to the Planes Above.
And, yes, I am fully capable of masking my own presence through the
Shadowlands. This 'Spooks Guild' that you mention had best tend to
their own works, before spreading harmful rumor among the living, lest
they be punished in a manner best left undescribed. And Fushia should
take the caution to check her sources before making announcements of
that nature to those who still grieve.
Yvette is indeed gone, she has found Peace, and this matter is closed.
I trust shall not have to repeat myself.
Yours in Dark Faith Eernal,
Simon Magid
<davidt...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not without me, you're not. Reserve another place at that table. It's
>> not that I don't trust Strange, I do. But the last time someone I loved
>> went to England to argue a case, well....we know what happened then, don't
>> we?
Yes. All too well.
But that was not Lord Strange's fault, and the same case does not
apply here. As a matter of fact, quite the opposite. Did Yvette have
the time to tell you why she had to go to her death, my dear? She
asked me to tell you if she hadn't, but I have been so distracted of
late that I forgot to.
>> Somebody launched this crap because they wanted a war. My suspicion, or
>> your dead body would both accomplish the same thing.
Not necessarily _quite_ the same thing, my dear. But unfortunately,
whether Lord Strange chooses to let me live or not, my continued
survival after our talk does not strike me as very likely.
>> Call me stubborn, I
>> don't intend to let them have the war they want so desperately.
I cannot blame you. Indeed, you are much like Skytte.
>> I *will* be there. I have a stake in this, as well (if you'll pardon the
>> expression ;) ) and whatever evidence or information is revealed is
>> certainly something I have a right to hear directly.
This is certainly true, and I shall be happy to see you there.
>> > Jess must be cleared. At any cost. I consider my unlife a quite
>> > reasonable price to pay to achieve it.
>> I don't. I'm tired of people dying for me. I'm tired of being left
>> behind. I'm just tired.
I... am deeply sorry, _agapemea_. I had not intended for it to end
like this.
>> As always...
>> Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, called
>> the Red Daeva of Abenegdor, of Clan Brujah
>> And since we're listing titles:
>> Prince's Champion for the City of Refuge
>> Maskholder and votary for Red Nemaine
Ahem. My pardon, my dear. But since it was a formal declaration of
surrender, I felt that listing my titles was called for. Most of them
are dead in any case.
>Agreed, you will be present at the interrogation. After all, it
>concerns you far more than anyone else present.
True.
>Lord Strange.
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce
Simon Magid
wrote:
> Cristian, you may not know me all that well, and I doubt anywhere near enough
>to trust me absolutely but if my auspex and such can help, it waits for you to
>ask.
I have asked my sources. Of all people, my Childe Henrik vouched for
you. For some reason, she has set aside her hatred of me, at least for
the time being.
She stated that she believed you to be quite reliable. And I trust her
instincts. Thus, I would be grateful to accept your offered help.
>The Piper, anon
>"I don't get even. I get a head." anon
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce
Simon Magid
wrote:
> I don't know how far your trust extends to me Cristian. But My services and
>my honor lay at your feet. I pledge to help my sister in any possible way if
>only prayers to a god I don't belive in.
I have met you twice, milady Dawn-Runner. In Chicago, Matsukami would
certainly have claimed my life were it not for your efforts. I feel no
particular inhibition against trusting you with my life again.
> I know the feeling. Now, business, how do we help Yvette and repay the honor
>debt owed to her honor. She has been wronged and I vow to lay aside my hunt
>until that wrong has been righted.
I... do not know. It depends on how long I will survive after having
surrendered to Lord Strange. But I shall forward you means of reaching
a friend of mine with whom I have shared all my knowledge of this.
Failing that, attempt to locate Octavian. It may be difficult. But I
suspect he has valuable knowledge, too, and that the stubborn fool is
probably in trouble and could use your help.
>V. Dawn-Runner, Making a blood crazed, zulo form, god-level disciplined,
>frenzying, homocidal Caine look the very soul of peace.
My dear, I have never been all _that_ enamoured of peace. Believe me,
to _me_ you are altogether beautiful. *ghost of a smile*
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce
Istvan Batory
<gaud...@windsor.igs.net> writes
>
>>>> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>
>
>Why was I not told of this?
>
>Who do I call friends on this NG, or in the Order of AGVTM, would know this
>information and not have informed me of it?
>
>I was at the Austin Wake, and witnessed her remains lowered into the earth.
>How can this statement be possible?
>
>Det. VanDam, CPD
>
>
demise but not all, I had wished to leave it to her to make any
statement as to the disposition of Yvettes spirit. But that is no longer
possible. The information relayed by Steerpike is as much as I know
(more in fact).
As to how such a thing is possible? Certain types of Thaumaturgy or
Necromany, infernalism too for all I know. Death is not the end in every
case.
--
Istvan Batory
Tzimisce
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Istvan Batory
Jacynthe <Cbo...@cris.com> writes
>(OOC: Take cover! <g> You knew this one was coming. ;) )
>
>On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Det. VanDam wrote:
>
>> >>> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>>
>> *Silence*
>>
>> Why was I not told of this?
>>
>> Who do I call friends on this NG, or in the Order of AGVTM, would know this
>> information and not have informed me of it?
>>
>> I was at the Austin Wake, and witnessed her remains lowered into the earth.
>> How can this statement be possible?
>
>
>lying, or playing some kind of sick joke. Yvette is dead. I was there. I
>*saw* her die. I touched her. Damn it all, I picked her head up after....
>
>F*ck this.
>
>Yvette is dead. D-E-A-D, in case someone missed the first time around.
>Decapitated, and her body consumed by the sun. Karl was with her through
>the sunrise, so no-one could have...tampered with her.
>
>I know Steerpike's friend was the expert on this sort of thing, but even
>experts make mistakes, or get lied to.
>
>Yvette is dead. I would give *anything* in my power...would steal, kill,
>and lie to get more if I needed it, if it would bring her back to us. But
>she's gone. That's why they call it *Final* Death.
>
>Jesstyn Calliope
>Clan Brujah
>"This is the really real world. There ain't no comin' back."
>--THe Crow
>
>
Jesstyn,
I have no wish to hurt you, I know how much you loved Yvette and this
will be hard to accept but it is all too possible.
Yvette may well be dead, beheading is a sure way to final death, and if
her sire stayed by her to watch the sunrise then there would be no body,
yes.
But there is still a spirit.
In most cases it simply passes on to whatever lies next, some spirits
however become trapped, tied to this world by things left undone. These
unhappy creatures ar known as Wraiths. It is posible for one with the
right knowledge of Thaumaturgy to cause the spirit of one departed to
become a wraith, and then to trap it.
If this be the case with Yvette, then though she is dead,she may not as
yet be beyond the reach of her enemies.
I am sorry Jesstyn, to be the one to have to tell you this. I know you
will probably think I am lying, I would not blame you. If you want I
will tell you this in person, and if you think I am lying feel free to
tear my head off. Right now you'd be doing me a favour.
Istvan Batory
>> >In the matter of Yvette, I thank you and may well call upon your aid.
>> >At present, my investigations are leading me amongst the boardrooms,
>> >penthouse and other rat-holes of the Old World.
>> >
>> A most unusual attitude for one of your clan.
>
>The fact that I live and work there does not mean that I cannot see
>them for what they are. Sleaze and iniquity exists everywhere.
I see, that makes sense to me, politics was always a dirty game.
>
>> Well one thing I can help you with is the matter of spirits, I have a
>> small degree of talent in that area, although I have no Necromancy as
>> such. If you need me you have only to call.
>
>I have a minor skill in Necromancy, there may well be a way to
>combine our two limited abilities into something of more worth. Would
>you know if a Spirit may have an arcane connection, through which it
>could be traced?
>
Indeed, an item of significance to the dead can often be used to trace
them. As indeed can the living, that is a particular area of interest to
me. However I am gven to understand that Yvettes spirit is somehow
screened. Although possibly not from all means. Tell me what do you have
in mind?
>> By the way how is the mortal girl Beatrice?
>
>Well enow. Victor and myself are working very slowly to remove those
>unpleasant traps left in her mind but steady progress is being made.
>Physically, the efforts of that night in Austin have left scars but
>the actions of those present seem to have ensured that no permanent
>damage has occurred. She sends her thanks to all involved.
She is welcome.
>
>
>Lord Strange.
Simon Magid
wrote:
>Ah, now I begin to see the misunderstanding.
OOC: Yes, and it is a _whopper_. %(
Guys, before this explodes into an argument, please take a deep breath
and try to give me a day or so to fix this mess, OK? I'm sorry, but I
think there's been a miscommunication _somewhere_ down the line.
Chris has been hideously busy lately and probably hasn't had the
chance to read certain posts of mine hinting at this plot. Too, I have
this feeling that I may have misunderstood a question Chris asked of
me and led him to believe that this would be OK.
I'm going to work something out to fix things. Please be patient,
guys. %/
Simon
PKieferjr
In article <Pine.SUN.4.01.990105...@galileo.cris.com>,
Jacynthe <Cbo...@cris.com> writes:
>Yvette is dead. I would give *anything* in my power...would steal, kill,
>and lie to get more if I needed it, if it would bring her back to us. But
>she's gone. That's why they call it *Final* Death.
Ah think we're all in agreement with that part.
However, if what Ah'm hearin' is true, then thar's some additional work ta be
done. Ah'm sendin' Colin out fer this thing. Stealin' souls don't sit well
with me.
PKieferjr
In article <19990105021027...@ng34.aol.com>,
lizz...@aol.com.azgoth (LizzieW82) writes:
> You know sister, you make a difficult arguement to avoid, that and The Piper
>just decked the Prince, unchained me and did that flute thing to the guards to
>get them to back off. I'm writing this from a plane she has. Cordless
modems.
> Whoddathunk it?
Yeah, ain't they great? Frees up mah cell phone.
> I guess we'll be outside there too. I'm perfectly willing to stay out side
>until it's over, though I would feel safer inside with you. If things hit the
>fan, Cristian is first on target list and then you. And I'm a little to fond
>of you two to let you die on me.
If'n Ah had mah say (not that Stranger would ever listen), nobody dies.
> As for The Piper, um deal with her yourselves. I'm actully a little
>frightened of her now.
Well, we'll see what happens.
However, Ah'd like ta remind y'all that we got bigger fish ta fry....in th'
form of th' Millenium Chamber.
However, sounds like Ah should be thar....ta make sure that th' fireworks don't
spill over inta th' street.
An' don't think that y'all are gonna change mah mind.
>>As always...
> (OOC: I wouldn't do this, but several interesting events in my LARP game
>where they are play seriously influenced the reactions they are both having.
>If you really reallly really don't want them there, just tell Valkyrie to
stand
>outside and argue down The Piper. The situation with Yvette is really
>important to them right now.)
(OOC: Might as well say ditto....sort of. The "Yvette" situation is playing a
little close to home for Nick.)
>>Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, called
>>the Red Daeva of Abenegdor, of Clan Brujah
>>
>>And since we're listing titles:
>>Prince's Champion for the City of Refuge
>>Maskholder and votary for Red Nemaine
>
>V. Dawn-Runner, (since we're being all fancy assed) Called Pack-Killer,
>Runs-with-Death, Runs-With-Dawn, Wyrm's Child, Arm of Justice, and The
>Avenger
> Titles: <Snip a dozenish from times/places that no longer exist in more than
>my memory anymore> Sister-In-Arms to Yvette, Holder of Yvette's honor,
>Soon-to-be Sister-In-Arms to Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, Senscheal to Prince
>Vladimir Romananovich of Phoenix, Master of Stone Knife Academy,
>Bladesmaster, etc., etc.
> Clan Toreador
> (See, aren't we all just being a little silly throwing titles around???)
(Well, since we're going to be silly.....)
First Lieutenant Nicholas James "Nick" Barton, United States Army (Retired),
Veteran of the Viet Nam War, Distiguished Service Cross, 3-time Purple Heart,
Conspicuos Bravery Award, 2-time Medal of Valor, Marksmanship Award, former
dealer in small arms, soon to be part owner of Lone Star Security and
Investigations.
and Clan Ventrue
PKieferjr
In article <36935b79...@rmta.dyndns.com>, dar...@morpheus.rmta.org
(Darrien) writes:
>>Somehow the Broodlings and Queen were involved in this too, though I was
never
told how.
>Might be a good time ta find out.
>>I cannot. Fuchsia was the source of this information and she is... no longer
able to help us.
Well, that does present a bit of a problem.
>>Now the question is; do you trust me enough to believe this ? Or does my
clan
>>prevent this ?
>Considerin' what we've been through, Ah'm inclined ta believe ya.
>>Thanks, Dammie :)
Er, this is Nick yer talkin' to.
>>For my part, I just read of Radulescu's diablerie of one of my clan. I'm
afraid that I >>can neither forgive nor forget that and I have seen nothing to
indicate that he was >>in some way forced into defending himself by ripping the
soul from one of my >>Clan's blood. I take back any offer of a favour and
advise him to steer clear of me >>if we ever meet in the flesh.
>Ah'd hold off if Ah were you. Let's try not ta eliminate any options that
might work >in yer favor.
>You can work with him if you chose. Please do not involve me with him under
>any circumstances. I'll help you all I can, but I will not work with him in
>any way.
<sigh> Sometimes Ah wonder....
>>I am pacifist... it makes the need for self-control that much more difficult.
>>:(
>Ah'm a soldier by nature. Ah've fought.....an' killed....ta survive. Ah'm
willin' ta do >whatever it takes.
>However, this is well outside mah experiences. Ah'm probably gonna need help.
>Maybe we should bring Colin inta this one, seein' as he's dealt with th'
Occult
>an' is a pretty good tracker. This would be more his speed than mine.
>>All of my occult contacts are available as a resource for you. I have
contacts >>throughout England and France, a few in the rest of Europe and I
have strong ties >>in the states of Ohio, New York and New Jersey. If they use
any contacts of this >>nature to help them, I should be able to learn of their
movements pretty quickly.
That'll work. Ah'll call 'im up an' bring 'im up ta speed.
>><<OOC: The _only_ area I consider Steerpike to be foul in is his occult
>contacts, so he certainly can keep track of most movements/requests in those
>geographical areas or know when someone is trying to hide their actions>>
(OOC: As long as it works, I'm okay with it. That should cover the most
likely territory.))
Nick Barton
PKieferjr
In article <36920d2...@news.earthlink.net>, sira...@artlover.com
(SirArtist) writes:
>Please be so good as to take my word for it; no necromancer, however
>powerful, is capable of manipulating the world beyond to the extent
>needed to grasp a soul from what lies behind the Tempest. Anyone who
>tells you differently is selling you something.
>
>I do hope that you will understand, that she is at peace, and that she
>is beyond our reach.
>
>Yours in Dark Faith Eternal,
>Justin Crowe - Artist, Priest, All-Around Bastard
>
Well, son, if that were true, then what's goin' on? Somebody who knew
somethin' is just as dead as Yvette is. Ah think it's high time we found out
what that was.
PKieferjr
In article <3692102e...@news.earthlink.net>, sira...@artlover.com
(SirArtist) writes:
>And Fushia should
>take the caution to check her sources before making announcements of
>that nature to those who still grieve.
So why did she die? What did she know? Thar's a lotta loose ends here. Ah
aim ta find out what they are.
David Townsend
from Istvan Batory <ke...@kpople.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> Snip.
> >> Well one thing I can help you with is the matter of spirits, I have a
> >> small degree of talent in that area, although I have no Necromancy as
> >> such. If you need me you have only to call.
> >
> >I have a minor skill in Necromancy, there may well be a way to
> >combine our two limited abilities into something of more worth. Would
> >you know if a Spirit may have an arcane connection, through which it
> >could be traced?
> >
> Indeed, an item of significance to the dead can often be used to trace
> them. As indeed can the living, that is a particular area of interest to
> me. However I am gven to understand that Yvettes spirit is somehow
> screened. Although possibly not from all means. Tell me what do you have
> in mind?
I have an, shall we say, associate who is skilled in the magickal
arts of correspondence, that is finding connections between people
and places. Whilst the spirit thief is expecting a Necromantic or
Thaumaturgical assault, it is possible that he, or she, is not
expecting an Arcane trace. It cannot hurt to try, anyway.
> --
> Istvan Batory
> Tzimisce
Lord Strange
David Townsend
from pkie...@aol.com (PKieferjr) contains these words:
> > You know sister, you make a difficult arguement to avoid, that and The Piper
> >just decked the Prince, unchained me and did that flute thing to the guards to
> >get them to back off. I'm writing this from a plane she has. Cordless
> modems.
> > Whoddathunk it?
> Yeah, ain't they great? Frees up mah cell phone.
> > I guess we'll be outside there too. I'm perfectly willing to stay out side
> >until it's over, though I would feel safer inside with you. If things hit the
> >fan, Cristian is first on target list and then you. And I'm a little to fond
> >of you two to let you die on me.
> If'n Ah had mah say (not that Stranger would ever listen), nobody dies.
Correct, I will listen when you have something to say.
> > As for The Piper, um deal with her yourselves. I'm actully a little
> >frightened of her now.
> Well, we'll see what happens.
> However, Ah'd like ta remind y'all that we got bigger fish ta fry....in th'
> form of th' Millenium Chamber.
> However, sounds like Ah should be thar....ta make sure that th' fireworks don't
> spill over inta th' street.
> An' don't think that y'all are gonna change mah mind.
Somehow, I am not surprised.
{OOC: My Gawd, talk about a pot calling a kettle black :-)}
Lord Strange,
[Snip]
> (Well, since we're going to be silly.....)
> First Lieutenant Nicholas James "Nick" Barton, United States Army (Retired),
> Veteran of the Viet Nam War, Distiguished Service Cross, 3-time Purple Heart,
> Conspicuos Bravery Award, 2-time Medal of Valor, Marksmanship Award, former
> dealer in small arms, soon to be part owner of Lone Star Security and
> Investigations.
> and Clan Ventrue
{OOC: Humm, IronStar Security might sue, or alternately throw a
firebomb through the window. Maxim always had trouble with the legal
side of Western civilisation:)}
Jacynthe
<snip>
> > Maybe Crisitan doesn't have any physical evidence, your Lordship....but I
> > do. I still have the ensorcelled objects that served as the 'Trojan
> > Horse.' (And they say beware of *Greeks* bearing gifts? Sheez.) I'm
> > bringing them with me to Ottawa. I intend to ask Mr. Barratt to examine
> > them. As you know, he's a powerful Seer, and since he's already sworn an
> > Oath to Jessie of Clan Toreador, he can't be harmed by any binding magics
> > on the objects.
>
> > In Austin, where this all came to light, the Prince of that city agreed to
> > let Mr. Barratt examine me (and some others as well, I think). He was the
> > best choice, as a Clanless, he didn't have to worry about saving face for
> > either side.
>
> > Would you accept Mr. Barratts findings as evidence?
>
> I would, although I would be lying if I stated that I was happy with
> this investigation taking place in Ottawa. I would be far happier in
> a Camarilla city but so be it.
>
*blink* But...Ottawa *is* a Cam city. It even has a Ventrue Prince.
It's Toronto and Montreal that're Sabbat strongholds. (I think. Gah,
remember when maps were *reliable*?)
> > > Further,
> > > he diabolised him, making even his spirit inaccessible. He says that
> > > there are Sabbat involved in this plot yet, despite the above
> > > mentioned soul-drinking he can not name any of them.
>
> > Minor point: in Austin, he said that the 'fall guy' the Sabbat had picked
> > out was someone referred to as 'the lady reverend,' somebody who'd been
> > hurt in the suicide bombing, and so could be convincingly framed for what
> > I should hope is a crime in the Sabbat.
>
> > I wouldn't have a whole lot of luck tracking that down--for some odd
> > reason, the local Sabbat don't seem to trust our truce flags anymore--but
> > the Sabbat here should be able to run with that info. Hell, Bryce and
> > Finley were there for it, too.
>
> Assuming that this whole affair is not merely a sordid Sabbat plot.
Assuming. I like to make assumptions, now and then. It appeals to my
sense of adventure.
I'm certainly convinced of Tachi's part in it. But then again,
I have the advantage of knowing the people and the territory better than
anyone else posting here.
Oh, btw, I'm supposed to let you know I'll be there in my official
capacity, representing the interests of the Kindred of Refuge, who also
have some claim on the matter. (I've even been deputized, isn't that
cute?)
Jesstyn Calliope
Clan Brujah
"It takes a woman's touch in no-man's land."
SirArtist
wrote:
>Despite what you may wish for, however fervently, I assure you that
>Yvette is quite dead, and in fact, has passed on to her Reward. The
>way to her current state is impassable, and the being you all knew as
>Yvette, or Lethe, or Synthia, is once again part part of the cyclical
>flow of energy. She will someday return as a discrete personality, but
>that is in our future, and cannot be controlled in any way.
>
>I do not know who posted the sentence you were reacting to, but I
>assure you that they were mistaken, or lying. I have known Yvette in
>every way possible, save the biblical, and I can assure you, that if
>it were possible to retrieve her essence, I would have mentioned the
>fact, regardless of any hesitation to do so that I might have felt.
>
>Please be so good as to take my word for it; no necromancer, however
>powerful, is capable of manipulating the world beyond to the extent
>needed to grasp a soul from what lies behind the Tempest. Anyone who
>tells you differently is selling you something.
>
>I do hope that you will understand, that she is at peace, and that she
>is beyond our reach.
>
>Yours in Dark Faith Eternal,
>Justin Crowe - Artist, Priest, All-Around Bastard
>
Greetings AGVTM:
The above missive is a forgery. I did *not* write it. I repeat, I did
not type the words you see above. I have no idea yet who did so, but I
assure you that I will find out, and when I do, there is going to be
HELL to pay.
Yours in Dark Faith Eternal
SirArtist
wrote:
>
>>>>By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>
>>>The last conversation I had with Fuchsia included her telling me that some
>>>>friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she performed
>>>>at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the root
>>>of
>>>>this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands and
>>>>that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself against
>>>>them (and hence all wraiths).
>
>Ah, now I begin to see the misunderstanding.
>
>they be punished in a manner best left undescribed. And Fushia should
>take the caution to check her sources before making announcements of
>that nature to those who still grieve.
>
>Yvette is indeed gone, she has found Peace, and this matter is closed.
>I trust shall not have to repeat myself.
>
>Yours in Dark Faith Eernal,
>Justin Crowe - Artist, Priest, All-Around Bastard
>
The above post is a forgery. I did *not* write it, I repeat, I did
*not* type the words that were passed off as being mine. I am
currently underwriting an investigation into the digital signature of
the above missive, and when I locate the guilty party, I shall take my
Revenge.
'Gates Beyond'? 'Planes Above'? By the Seven Seals of Death, the
writer has not even the proper geography of what exists beyond the
Veil! What utter tripe!
Some time ago, as you might recall, I responded to Det. VanDam with a
short note explaining how I could not speak with Yvette at her
funeral, as I had with Jeremias at his Wake, since I had promised my
friend Yvette to let her spirit lie, and not interfere with its
passage. As I always keep my word, I can assure you, that I would not
have broken it as described above.
I am inscenced that someone seeks to sully my name, for the second
time in a calendar year, using the Death of one for whom I cared, and
I swear by the Loa Erzulie M'aatisaam, I will have my Revenge.
To the one who has sought to impersonate me, your time is soon done.
Yours in Dark Faith Eernal,
Justin Crowe - Artist, Priest, All-Around Bastard
------------
http://members.tripod.com/JustinCrowe/agvtm.htm
Jacynthe
<history repeating itself>
> But that was not Lord Strange's fault, and the same case does not
> apply here. As a matter of fact, quite the opposite.
I know it wasn't Strange's fault. But other factors moved in on what was
supposed to be a private matter, and the whole thing went straight to
hell. It could happen again. Call it my paranoia in action, but I'd like
to prevent that from happening again.
> Did Yvette have
> the time to tell you why she had to go to her death, my dear? She
> asked me to tell you if she hadn't, but I have been so distracted of
> late that I forgot to.
I know some of it. I'd left by then, but I know she called a Ventrue
matter--which is why I sent the message to Lord Strange telling him there
would be no feud between us if he killed her.
>
> >> Somebody launched this crap because they wanted a war. My suspicion, or
> >> your dead body would both accomplish the same thing.
>
> Not necessarily _quite_ the same thing, my dear. But unfortunately,
> whether Lord Strange chooses to let me live or not, my continued
> survival after our talk does not strike me as very likely.
*drums nails on desk-top*
Are you *trying* to piss me off? I thought you'd gotten that death-wish
fixed.
<snip>
> >> > Jess must be cleared. At any cost. I consider my unlife a quite
> >> > reasonable price to pay to achieve it.
>
> >> I don't. I'm tired of people dying for me. I'm tired of being left
> >> behind. I'm just tired.
>
> I... am deeply sorry, _agapemea_. I had not intended for it to end
> like this.
>
It isn't over yet. And it won't be over for some time, yet. Though it
would help if you wouldn't give up before the fighting even starts.
<snip>
> Ahem. My pardon, my dear. But since it was a formal declaration of
> surrender, I felt that listing my titles was called for. Most of them
> are dead in any case.
>
I still don't think a formal surrender was necessary. A parley would have
served equally well. It *is* entirely possible for Sabbat and
Camarilla--even Sabbat Diablorists--to investigate a charge without one
side or the other surrendering, or losing face.
As for the titles... Somewhere along the line, someone pegged me for a
pushover. Somebody who could be used as bait, or a pawn, another
disposable hero, or a martyr for someone else's cause.
Guess what? They were wrong.
I've fought dearly for the life I have now--and the people in it. And I
will not let either go without a struggle. If tossing out a handful of
alphabet soup gives someone pause to think that *maybe* they might have
made a mistake pulling this crap--that's fine by me. If the opposition
gets nervous--also fine by me. Nervous enemies make mistakes.
Because in case anyone's missed it...I'm through playing nice.
Jesstyn Calliope
Clan Brujah
(OOC: Oh, can we say 'Hatred,' 'Vengeance', and Vendetta, all in effect?)
Det. VanDam
>>>>> By the way, you *are* aware that Yvette hasn't passed on yet ?
>>
>>
>>Why was I not told of this?
>>
>>Who do I call friends on this NG, or in the Order of AGVTM, would know
this
>>information and not have informed me of it?
>>
>>I was at the Austin Wake, and witnessed her remains lowered into the
earth.
>>How can this statement be possible?
>>
>>
>>
>
>Despite what you may wish for, however fervently, I assure you that
>Yvette is quite dead, and in fact, has passed on to her Reward. The
>way to her current state is impassable, and the being you all knew as
>Yvette, or Lethe, or Synthia, is once again part part of the cyclical
>flow of energy. She will someday return as a discrete personality, but
>that is in our future, and cannot be controlled in any way.
>
>I do not know who posted the sentence you were reacting to, but I
>assure you that they were mistaken, or lying. I have known Yvette in
>every way possible, save the biblical, and I can assure you, that if
>it were possible to retrieve her essence, I would have mentioned the
>fact, regardless of any hesitation to do so that I might have felt.
>
>Please be so good as to take my word for it; no necromancer, however
>powerful, is capable of manipulating the world beyond to the extent
>needed to grasp a soul from what lies behind the Tempest. Anyone who
>tells you differently is selling you something.
>
>I do hope that you will understand, that she is at peace, and that she
>is beyond our reach.
>
left the funeral without the sense of closure that I had at Jeremias Wake. I
had been searching the Conference Hall for your familiar presence at these
functions. I was hoping you would call upon the spirit of Yvette so that I
could see her one last time. Her death was a shock. I was preparing myself
for her demise at the hands of Lord Strange. I had conditioned myself to
accept the outcome of their meeting as a destiny both refused to turn away
from. A tragety that defines us as Vampires.
They see was dead and Jesstyn Calliope, brought forth the story of how it
happened and I could not face it. I purged myself of the conflicting
emotions that the entire episode summoned. Then I waited for the Wake to ask
you to summon forth the spirit of Yvette as you had done Jeremias Styke and
ask her if she had found peace at long last. To find out if she had any
regrets and if possible address what issues I could.
I wanted to speak with Lord Strange, as well. He seemed more distant than
the Cainte I met on Valentines Day in Chicago. Then the attack on the
Convention Center occured and all hope of resolving outstanding issues was
lost. Now Steerpike comes to me with this story of Yvette not dead and
finally at peace and once again my mental control is strained.
Knowing your expertise in this feild, I am put to ease again. I do caution
those who are rumor mongers. If you do not have proof to back up your
alligations, then you risk the wrath of many of Yvettes close friends, and
quite possibly her many enemies as well.
>Yours in Dark Faith Eternal,
>Justin Crowe - Artist, Priest, All-Around Bastard
Det. VanDam, CPD
Det. VanDam
>>Ah, now I begin to see the misunderstanding.
>
>
>Guys, before this explodes into an argument, please take a deep breath
>and try to give me a day or so to fix this mess, OK? I'm sorry, but I
>think there's been a miscommunication _somewhere_ down the line.
>
>Chris has been hideously busy lately and probably hasn't had the
>chance to read certain posts of mine hinting at this plot. Too, I have
>this feeling that I may have misunderstood a question Chris asked of
>me and led him to believe that this would be OK.
>
>I'm going to work something out to fix things. Please be patient,
>guys. %/
>
I have been waiting for someone to get around to cracking the Yvette story.
You have left us cliff hanging so long I want to choke you with my cyber
hands. :-) This is great and I am enjoying Christopher's posts. I have no
idea which way you are going to turn with this Simon, but any which way is
fine by me. I will wait patiently, and so thanks to Justin will VanDam.
JP
Det. VanDam
>>>Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, called
>>>the Red Daeva of Abenegdor, of Clan Brujah
>>>
>>>And since we're listing titles:
>>>Prince's Champion for the City of Refuge
>>>Maskholder and votary for Red Nemaine
>>
>>V. Dawn-Runner, (since we're being all fancy assed) Called Pack-Killer,
>>Runs-with-Death, Runs-With-Dawn, Wyrm's Child, Arm of Justice, and The
>>Avenger
>> Titles: <Snip a dozenish from times/places that no longer exist in more
than
>>my memory anymore> Sister-In-Arms to Yvette, Holder of Yvette's honor,
>>Soon-to-be Sister-In-Arms to Jesstyn Athenia Calliope, Senscheal to Prince
>>Vladimir Romananovich of Phoenix, Master of Stone Knife Academy,
>>Bladesmaster, etc., etc.
>> Clan Toreador
>> (See, aren't we all just being a little silly throwing titles around???)
>
>
>First Lieutenant Nicholas James "Nick" Barton, United States Army
(Retired),
>Veteran of the Viet Nam War, Distiguished Service Cross, 3-time Purple
Heart,
>Conspicuos Bravery Award, 2-time Medal of Valor, Marksmanship Award,
former
>dealer in small arms, soon to be part owner of Lone Star Security and
>Investigations.
>
>and Clan Ventrue
VanDam, I feel kind of naked without titles and honors. Oh well.
Istvan Batory
>> them. As indeed can the living, that is a particular area of interest to
>> me. However I am gven to understand that Yvettes spirit is somehow
>> screened. Although possibly not from all means. Tell me what do you have
>> in mind?
>
>I have an, shall we say, associate who is skilled in the magickal
>arts of correspondence, that is finding connections between people
>and places. Whilst the spirit thief is expecting a Necromantic or
>Thaumaturgical assault, it is possible that he, or she, is not
>expecting an Arcane trace. It cannot hurt to try, anyway.
>
then I should be able to tell you if it is connected to the sprit of
Yvette. In which matter I shall be at your immediate disposal. But
should I need to call on you there is one thing I must know, how do you
define an 'unrepentant diablerist?'
>
>Lord Strange
SirArtist
wrote:
<snip forgery>
>The above post is a forgery. I did *not* write it, I repeat, I did
>*not* type the words that were passed off as being mine. I am
>currently underwriting an investigation into the digital signature of
>the above missive, and when I locate the guilty party, I shall take my
>Revenge.
>
>'Gates Beyond'? 'Planes Above'? By the Seven Seals of Death, the
>writer has not even the proper geography of what exists beyond the
>Veil! What utter tripe!
>
>Some time ago, as you might recall, I responded to Det. VanDam with a
>short note explaining how I could not speak with Yvette at her
>funeral, as I had with Jeremias at his Wake, since I had promised my
>friend Yvette to let her spirit lie, and not interfere with its
>passage. As I always keep my word, I can assure you, that I would not
>have broken it as described above.
>
>I am inscenced that someone seeks to sully my name, for the second
>time in a calendar year, using the Death of one for whom I cared, and
>I swear by the Loa Erzulie M'aatisaam, I will have my Revenge.
>
>To the one who has sought to impersonate me, your time is soon done.
>
>Yours in Dark Faith Eernal,
>Justin Crowe - Artist, Priest, All-Around Bastard
>------------
>http://members.tripod.com/JustinCrowe/agvtm.htm
>
>
Can you say 'BINGO', dude? The wayward packets came from the girl's
home grid: HGRT$%346789246-0023. The country of origin was Denmark,
where methinks something is rotten.
Can't tell much more than that tonight, but the machine was a Windoze
386 chipped machine, at least five years old. The modem was a 14.4k
turtle. The clock speed was only 156, and just for the record, Justin,
I know you use a Power Macintosh running at 233 MHz with a 38.8 k
packet pusher.
So have faith, dear readers, Justin is telling the truth, he didn't
write that previous denial, somone out there in Denmark is pulling
your collective chain.
Details to follow.
Donna Matrix
a digital diva
PKieferjr
In article <36929f77...@news.earthlink.net>, sira...@artlover.com
(SirArtist) writes:
>Some time ago, as you might recall, I responded to Det. VanDam with a
>short note explaining how I could not speak with Yvette at her
>funeral, as I had with Jeremias at his Wake, since I had promised my
>friend Yvette to let her spirit lie, and not interfere with its
>passage. As I always keep my word, I can assure you, that I would not
>have broken it as described above.
>
>I am inscenced that someone seeks to sully my name, for the second
>time in a calendar year, using the Death of one for whom I cared, and
>I swear by the Loa Erzulie M'aatisaam, I will have my Revenge.
>
>To the one who has sought to impersonate me, your time is soon done.
>
Easy thar, son. Ah think we're in this one tagether. It's worse.....Yvette's
soul's been stolen....at least, that's what Ah hear tell. Ah'm not a happy
camper. Ah'm on th' hunt right now....an' Ah got someone who might be able ta
help.
Seein' as we're gonna have similar purposes, Ah'd suggest that we pool our
resources an' figger out a way ta deal with this. Ya game?
Nick Barton
PKieferjr
In article <3692bcec...@news.earthlink.net>, sira...@artlover.com
(SirArtist) writes:
>So have faith, dear readers, Justin is telling the truth, he didn't
>write that previous denial, somone out there in Denmark is pulling
>your collective chain.
>
>Details to follow.
>
>Donna Matrix
>a digital diva
>
Low an' slow, Donna. Keep yer head down an' keep me apprised.
'Nathan
Um, "Patch."
Kieth Barratt, nothing (I *knew* I should have gotten that PhD...)
--
||\|| nburgoin@ "sometimes words have served me well
||\|| chat.carleton.ca and sometimes words can go to hell" -- H. Chapin
Darrien
> Yvette may well be dead, beheading is a sure way to final death, and if
>her sire stayed by her to watch the sunrise then there would be no body,
>yes.
Beheading is not Final Death, unless done with some form of mystical
weaponary. We can, after all, be harmed by normal weapons without them
killing us.
The sun, on the other hand, is a different matter.
> But there is still a spirit.
> In most cases it simply passes on to whatever lies next, some spirits
>however become trapped, tied to this world by things left undone. These
>unhappy creatures ar known as Wraiths. It is posible for one with the
>right knowledge of Thaumaturgy to cause the spirit of one departed to
>become a wraith, and then to trap it.
> If this be the case with Yvette, then though she is dead,she may not as
>yet be beyond the reach of her enemies.
I do not believe this to be the case, or at least Fuchsia's allies did not.
I once met one of my Clan who had practiced Necromancy. With this discipline,
he was able to not only rip the soul from a body, but replace it with his own.
Now, suppose Yvette's soul was stolen before her Final Death. Maybe a mortal
soul was put in its place, maybe another kindred acted in her body until the
decapitation and then returned its soul to its own body. This would not
explain the capture of her soul, but it might explain how it was removed from
the body before Final Death and, hence, how the Spooks did not detect her ever
becoming a Wraith.
Of course, I may be well off base here.
Steerpike
--
Clan Tremere, Seneschal of Exeter, Blood Researcher,
Librarian of the True History in Exeter
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Darrien
>>Ah, now I begin to see the misunderstanding.
>
>OOC: Yes, and it is a _whopper_. %(
>
>Guys, before this explodes into an argument, please take a deep breath
>and try to give me a day or so to fix this mess, OK? I'm sorry, but I
>think there's been a miscommunication _somewhere_ down the line.
>
>Chris has been hideously busy lately and probably hasn't had the
>chance to read certain posts of mine hinting at this plot. Too, I have
>this feeling that I may have misunderstood a question Chris asked of
>me and led him to believe that this would be OK.
>
>I'm going to work something out to fix things. Please be patient,
>guys. %/
I will - I was about to mail you actually due to some of the almost OOC
passion being shown.
Urk, there's gonna be some IC fireworks... :-/
Darrien
[With characters retreating cautiously into underground bunkers...]
--
**remove morpheus to reply**
Darrien
>And Fushia should
>take the caution to check her sources before making announcements of
>that nature to those who still grieve.
*ouch*
Sir, *please*...
>Justin Crowe
>All-Around Bastard
No shit...
Darrien
>On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Darrien wrote:
>> I am prepared to listen. As I said, I had heard no good arguments as to why
>> it was justified.
>
>Cristian isn't big on explanations.
Evidentally :-/
<snip-mental rape>
>> So, yes, I can empathise. Just a little bit.
>I think we're competing for 'Understatement of the Year.'
Well, maybe... I dunno, I don't think I'm good at judging myself very
anymore...
>> >You can get the full details of Tachi's treason from John Benedict, the
>> >Tremere Primogen of Copenhagen, if you don't want to believe me.
>> I do. Perhaps I am falling for a "sob-story" or just extending a little
>> trust; it is hard to say, but I do believe you.
>
>.....Thanks. I mean that, Steerpike.
Thankyou for taking my words sincerely; I was scared of you thinking they were
"trite" also :-/
><respectful snip of first part of argument>
>> Even if Tachi were the most vile creature on the planet, I would not wish that
>> fate on him and I would not care to see the effects of his soul influencing
>> his diableriser.
>
>Well...I think that's where we're going to have a...what did Patch call
>it? A difference in paradigm? Something like that. You're trying
>embrace the tenets of pacifism--which I can respect. It takes a certain
>kind of heart and will to take on the pains and angers the world hands out
>and not lash out, either through calculation or reflex.
Then we agree to disagree ?
>I, on the other hand... Lots of Kindred talk about how doing bad or evil
>things will warp your Humanity. Not too many realize that having bad or
>evil things done to you can warp it as well.
I agree... I think I have learnt a little of this. One of the reasons I have
chosen to put myself on such a strict path is so that I don't let that
reaction take control of me. When I have such little idea of my origins, I
have to find the borders of myself or create them so as to test myself...
pacifism is not an easy path, but I know that following another does not
necessarily indicate a weakness of spirit.
<snip
>Thanks to him, I'm living my worst nightmare. I know, in my soul, I
>cannot survive another broken or severed Bond. The first one drove me
>mad. The loss of a second would utterly destroy me. How much of your
>Self can you lose before you are no longer yourself?
But neither was your Self, was it ? I am nervous to try and persuade you that
this belief might harm you in the long run since I respect that you feel it is
true. I just wish you didn't :(
>A nightmare for a nightmare. An eye for an eye.
I believed that once. It was a contruct. Maybe I chose such a radically
different path is to reject all that, maybe I was always this way. I can't
tell, but I have stood and delighted in vengance and whilst it was not
_natural_, it wasn't necessarily a 'weaker' point of view...
<snip>
>> Thankyou for the explanation, I really do appreciate it, even if I am touch
>> "triggered" by it as well.
>
>It's a touchy topic. Cristian does a lot of things...it's hard for me to
>face. I know he's hurt a lot of people. I've seen them, talked to them.
>But I love him. And love means you can't say, "I only accept this part of
>you." You have to take the whole person. And I can't change him. I
>wouldn't try. He's seen more shades of Hell than I can name. Who am I to
>condem him for what he is...when I have been through so much less, and
>done so much worse?
Age is not an excuse, either way. But I won't take this chance to vent my
feelings about Cristian again; I've said what I feel.
>For what it's worth...I'm sorry your Clan lost Tachi...however long ago he
>went 'bad.' He might have been a decent fellow once, and what he became
>wouldn't have changed his past. But he chose to 'deal with the devil' as
>it were. And the devil always collects.
I agree, though I would, of course, have preferred it to have been dealt with
in the Clan.
>> I make an offer I expect you to reject, but I'll offer it anyway: I can rid
>> you of that blood bond. It comes with a price, but not one of mine. You can
>> accept it you wish, I will not be offended if you don't.
>
>*shudder* I...
>
>I can't, Steerpike. I *know* you're not like him...but I can't. Maybe
>I'm not desperate enough, yet. Or maybe I'm just too scared. But I
>can't.
That is okay. And if you are scared to have this second bond removed, it
might not be a wise idea whether you trust me or not. You really need to
*want* the bond gone before you think about removing it, in any way.
>> Fare thee well and thanks again,
>Maybe I should add 'Bearer of ill tidings' to my list of titles. %/
On this topic, you have given me insight and empathy and I thank you for that.
You were anything but a bearer of ill tidings, lady.
>Take care, Steerpike. What's that saying...'Walk in beauty'?
Et tu.
Darrien
>In article <36935b79...@rmta.dyndns.com>, dar...@morpheus.rmta.org
>(Darrien) writes:
>>I cannot. Fuchsia was the source of this information and she is... no longer
>>able to help us.
>Well, that does present a bit of a problem.
<<OOC: I know that she was not the only person who was told this - there was
stuff in the wake implying this, but I forget who it was who spoke to a Wraith
about it - it wasn't my character and I try to limit my retension of OOC
details ;) >>
>>>Considerin' what we've been through, Ah'm inclined ta believe ya.
>>Thanks, Dammie :)
>Er, this is Nick yer talkin' to.
It's getting kinda hard to tell what's going on, to be honest...
>>>Maybe we should bring Colin inta this one, seein' as he's dealt with th'
>>>Occult an' is a pretty good tracker. This would be more his speed than mine.
>>All of my occult contacts are available as a resource for you. I have
>>contacts throughout England and France, a few in the rest of Europe and I
>>have strong ties in the states of Ohio, New York and New Jersey. If they use
>>any contacts of this nature to help them, I should be able to learn of their
>>movements pretty quickly.
>
>That'll work. Ah'll call 'im up an' bring 'im up ta speed.
Set a time-frame if you have one and let me know if you need any assisstance.
>><<OOC: The _only_ area I consider Steerpike to be foul in is his occult
>>contacts, so he certainly can keep track of most movements/requests in those
>>geographical areas or know when someone is trying to hide their actions>>
>(OOC: As long as it works, I'm okay with it. That should cover the most
>likely territory.))
<<OOC: Well, it's not my plot, so it only works if whoever is running this
says so :-/ >>
Darrien
>I have an, shall we say, associate who is skilled in the magickal
>arts of correspondence, that is finding connections between people
>and places. Whilst the spirit thief is expecting a Necromantic or
>Thaumaturgical assault, it is possible that he, or she, is not
>expecting an Arcane trace. It cannot hurt to try, anyway.
<<OOC: Er, if we're involving Magi then I have this foul Verbena PC...
..I think Simon may some objections over this. I removed the influence of
Magi spells with regards to this plotline of his around the time of the
funeral since it could, quite literally, "piss all over his parade"- this is,
after all, a Vampire storyline... >>
Darrien
'Nathan
J> (OOC: Take cover! <g> You knew this one was coming. ;) )
<OOC: Ooooooh, have I been waiting for this... *grin*>
>> I was at the Austin Wake, and witnessed her remains lowered into the earth.
>> How can this statement be possible?
J> It isn't. Someone...someone has made a horrible mistake. Or they're
J> lying, or playing some kind of sick joke. Yvette is dead. I was there. I
J> *saw* her die. I touched her. Damn it all, I picked her head up after....
*silence*
J> Yvette is dead. D-E-A-D, in case someone missed the first time around.
J> Decapitated, and her body consumed by the sun. Karl was with her through
J> the sunrise, so no-one could have...tampered with her.
J> I know Steerpike's friend was the expert on this sort of thing, but even
J> experts make mistakes, or get lied to.
Or misdiagnose. If magic is anything like psychic, it's *very* easy to
confuse, to get false positives, false negatives, and everything else.
J> Yvette is dead. I would give *anything* in my power...would steal, kill,
J> and lie to get more if I needed it, if it would bring her back to us. But
J> she's gone. That's why they call it *Final* Death.
*nod* If nothing else, she's owed peace, damnit.
I've turned down the sheets, Jesstyn, come soon. And... and if you
want... well, i could... I've not sensed anything like a spirit, is all
I'm trying to say, since maybe a brush with Alice Cobourne, the dead
Toreador ex-primogen of Ottawa. I'd be willing to tryto feel if Yvette is
in the peace she's owed - but I'd rather leave her be.
Patch (leave it be, everybody... leave it be)
Istvan Batory
<dar...@morpheus.rmta.org> writes
>Istvan Batory <ke...@kpople.demon.co.uk> chisled upon hir tombstone:
>> Yvette may well be dead, beheading is a sure way to final death, and if
>>her sire stayed by her to watch the sunrise then there would be no body,
>>yes.
>
>Beheading is not Final Death, unless done with some form of mystical
>weaponary. We can, after all, be harmed by normal weapons without them
>killing us.
>
>The sun, on the other hand, is a different matter.
Absolutely
>
>> But there is still a spirit.
>> In most cases it simply passes on to whatever lies next, some spirits
>>however become trapped, tied to this world by things left undone. These
>>unhappy creatures ar known as Wraiths. It is posible for one with the
>>right knowledge of Thaumaturgy to cause the spirit of one departed to
>>become a wraith, and then to trap it.
>> If this be the case with Yvette, then though she is dead,she may not as
>>yet be beyond the reach of her enemies.
>
>I do not believe this to be the case, or at least Fuchsia's allies did not.
>
I see.
>I once met one of my Clan who had practiced Necromancy. With this discipline,
>he was able to not only rip the soul from a body, but replace it with his own.
>
>Now, suppose Yvette's soul was stolen before her Final Death. Maybe a mortal
>soul was put in its place, maybe another kindred acted in her body until the
>decapitation and then returned its soul to its own body. This would not
>explain the capture of her soul, but it might explain how it was removed from
>the body before Final Death and, hence, how the Spooks did not detect her ever
>becoming a Wraith.
>
>Of course, I may be well off base here.
At the moment we are all merely conjecturing, I know that should i be so
vile as to wish to create a Wraith, that is how _I_ would go about It.
however my knowledge of Necromany is somewhat less than my knowledge of
particle physics so you my well be right.
>
>Steerpike
>--
>Clan Tremere, Seneschal of Exeter, Blood Researcher,
>Librarian of the True History in Exeter
>remove **morpheus** to reply
--
Simon Magid
>> But that was not Lord Strange's fault, and the same case does not
>> apply here. As a matter of fact, quite the opposite.
>I know it wasn't Strange's fault. But other factors moved in on what was
>supposed to be a private matter, and the whole thing went straight to
>hell. It could happen again. Call it my paranoia in action, but I'd like
>to prevent that from happening again.
My dear, I appreciate that. In any case, I can certainly not tell you
_not_ to do this without being guilty of hypocrisy.
<Yvette's tale...>
>I know some of it. I'd left by then, but I know she called a Ventrue
>matter--which is why I sent the message to Lord Strange telling him there
>would be no feud between us if he killed her.
Ah. Good. Perhaps I can fill the holes when we meet.
>> Not necessarily _quite_ the same thing, my dear. But unfortunately,
>> whether Lord Strange chooses to let me live or not, my continued
>> survival after our talk does not strike me as very likely.
>*drums nails on desk-top*
>Are you *trying* to piss me off? I thought you'd gotten that death-wish
>fixed.
Only partially, my dear, I am still in love with _you_. *brilliant
smile*
>> I... am deeply sorry, _agapemea_. I had not intended for it to end
>> like this.
>It isn't over yet. And it won't be over for some time, yet. Though it
>would help if you wouldn't give up before the fighting even starts.
Ah. Yes. I understand what you mean.
<snip>
>I still don't think a formal surrender was necessary. A parley would have
>served equally well. It *is* entirely possible for Sabbat and
>Camarilla--even Sabbat Diablorists--to investigate a charge without one
>side or the other surrendering, or losing face.
I fear I do not agree, my dear. Had I called a parley instead, there
would have been too much opportunity for skulduggery on the Sabbat's
behalf for the Camarilla to be able to _truly_ trust Lord Strange's
findings. I believe that Lord Strange would be able to tell the truth
in any case -- he is not a fool -- but if the evidence is not procured
under near perfect conditions, *enemies* of Lord Strange will have a
greater opportunity to discredit the evidence obtained... or enemies
of you, or of me.
>As for the titles... Somewhere along the line, someone pegged me for a
>pushover. Somebody who could be used as bait, or a pawn, another
>disposable hero, or a martyr for someone else's cause.
>Guess what? They were wrong.
Yes. They were. And they have no idea of _how_ wrong they were.
>I've fought dearly for the life I have now--and the people in it. And I
>will not let either go without a struggle. If tossing out a handful of
>alphabet soup gives someone pause to think that *maybe* they might have
>made a mistake pulling this crap--that's fine by me. If the opposition
>gets nervous--also fine by me. Nervous enemies make mistakes.
Indeed.
>Because in case anyone's missed it...I'm through playing nice.
I noticed, my dear. We shall meet tonight.
>Jesstyn Calliope
>Clan Brujah
Cristian Radulescu, Tzimisce
David Townsend
from dar...@morpheus.rmta.org (Darrien) contains these words:
Simon should know all about the source in question, and, for what it
is worth, many AGVTMers have met said source, yet I always reckon
that the great thing about mages is the referee decides exactly what
they can and cannot do. Strange would call upon this help, the result
is entirely in Simon's hands :)
Istvan Batory
>J> Yvette is dead. I would give *anything* in my power...would steal, kill,
>J> and lie to get more if I needed it, if it would bring her back to us. But
>J> she's gone. That's why they call it *Final* Death.
>
>*nod* If nothing else, she's owed peace, damnit.
>
>I've turned down the sheets, Jesstyn, come soon. And... and if you
>want... well, i could... I've not sensed anything like a spirit, is all
>I'm trying to say, since maybe a brush with Alice Cobourne, the dead
>Toreador ex-primogen of Ottawa. I'd be willing to tryto feel if Yvette is
>in the peace she's owed - but I'd rather leave her be.
>
>Patch (leave it be, everybody... leave it be)
>
Patch
I am sorry, I am the last one to wish to cause Jesstyn any pain, but
lying to her won't help. It is possible, believe me I wish it were not
but I will say no more until proof be found one way or another.
Det. VanDam
>>
some
>>>>>friends of hers from the Spooks Guild detected that the ritual she
performed
>>>>>at the wake had not had its desired effect. When trying to trace the
root
>>>>of
>>>>>this, they discovered that Yvette has never passed through their lands
and
>>>>>that the person preventing her passage was also able to ward herself
against
>>>>>them (and hence all wraiths).
>>
>>
>>take the caution to check her sources before making announcements of
>>that nature to those who still grieve.
>>
>>I trust shall not have to repeat myself.
>>
>>Justin Crowe - Artist, Priest, All-Around Bastard
>>
>
>*not* type the words that were passed off as being mine. I am
>currently underwriting an investigation into the digital signature of
>the above missive, and when I locate the guilty party, I shall take my
>Revenge.
>
>'Gates Beyond'? 'Planes Above'? By the Seven Seals of Death, the
>writer has not even the proper geography of what exists beyond the
>Veil! What utter tripe!
>
>short note explaining how I could not speak with Yvette at her
>funeral, as I had with Jeremias at his Wake, since I had promised my
>friend Yvette to let her spirit lie, and not interfere with its
>passage. As I always keep my word, I can assure you, that I would not
>have broken it as described above.
>
>I am inscenced that someone seeks to sully my name, for the second
>time in a calendar year, using the Death of one for whom I cared, and
>I swear by the Loa Erzulie M'aatisaam, I will have my Revenge.
>
>To the one who has sought to impersonate me, your time is soon done.
>
did state the above comments to me. I authenticate this Justin Crowe to be
genuine, and if that is the case, <extending and retracting claws and he
fights to control himself> we have a situation do deal with fellow Cainte
and members of the Order of AGVTM. Who has the means to fake Justin Crowes
identity on the NG? I was under the impression the new software upgrade to
protect our atonomy and guaranty freedom of speech without breach of the
Masquerade.
I hesitate to mention the Millenium Chamber. The make an easy scape goat in
this matter. I did not respond to Bill Gunston's malicious accusations
against Mirya Jade and the other Cainite, so that I would not add credence
to his claims. This is very much like his style to divide us with false
accusations. This is also the second time Justin Crowe has been the target
of false representation. The first was the reward posted of $100,000,000 in
diamonds for a lock of Lord Strange's hair.
Justin Crowe has my support in hunting down the party responsible for
attacting his Status in our community.
>Yours in Dark Faith Eernal,
>Justin Crowe - Artist, Priest, All-Around Bastard
Det. VanDam, CPD
LizzieW82
>lizz...@aol.com.azgoth (LizzieW82) chisled upon hir tombstone:
>>dar...@morpheus.rmta.org (Darrien) wrote:
>>>Jacynthe <Cbo...@cris.com> chisled upon hir tombstone:
>>>...your hatred seems beyond reasonable to me.
>>
>> It's different if your still bound to a person at the moment of their
>death.
>>Ash was bound to her sire and when he went up in flames so did she,
>literally.
>> I felt Joseph die. I felt the agony, the pain, the fear,hate,horror. I
>>heard him screaming forgiveness to a god he'd denied existed. I felt every
>>ounce of everything he felt. I can still feel those things sometimes when I
>>dream.
>
>I think my wording was misleading... by "beyond reasonable" I meant "more
>than
>reasonable" not "unreasonable".
Ah, then it becomes much clearer and I see where I made the initial
misinterpretation.
>>>Thankyou for the explanation, I really do appreciate it, even if I am touch
>>>"triggered" by it as well.
>>
>> Trite responses, snubbery and anger. That is what I read in your
>response.
>
>Really ? Was it that one, poorly phrased, sentence that gave you that
>impression or everything ? Regardless, nothing I said was trite or intended
>to snub Jesstyn. I have some anger, yes, but it was not directed at her.
As I noted, I misunderstood. I let the anger I have interfere with my
reading of your post. Sorry for blowing up at you.
>> If you wish Cristian to stay away from you, then I suggest you avoid me.
>I
>>diablorized my own childer. Remember the aforementioned Joseph? He blood
>>bound me for nearly a century, had me dominated me, mind-raped me with
>>regularity, tried to recreate my psyche, morals, and life. He succeeded.
>By
>>sheer force of will alone I killed him. And that death ended in his soul
>being
>>ripped out of his body and into mine. I felt both sides of that, the awful
>>pain to the point of pleasure (or vise versa) he felt and the disgusting
>>loathesome ecstasy I felt. Echo's of agony.
>
>Would you do it again or just kill him ?
The truth? I don't know. If I had the option at that point, it is a fifty
fifty thing. I wanted him to suffer as absolutly much as I could insure and
not worry about him surviving and coming back to haunt me.
heh. The bastard did anyway. But his biggest fear in unlife was diablorie.
He feared sun and fire less.
>That is perhaps a pointless question and irrelevant to this particular
>subject; Cristian was not abused as you were. That may be stupid line to be
>drawing in the sand, but I know that I used to do things motivated by a deep
>sense of vengance and I've only recently over that almost fanatical reaction
>to being done wrong. Again, that would not make me "right" to go ahead and
>kill someone just cos they pissed me off, but that isn't what _you_ did.
You want more of a reason for his actions? Love. Yeah, it's not perfect,
but love makes people do crazy things. I know several very good examples of
this. Tachi hurt Cristian's beloved and he paid him back for that. It's not
an excuse and it doesn't forgive everything, but it does explain a bit no?
>Hmmm.... I have the distinct sensation that anything I say right now will not
>be taken the way is was intended...
Again, sorry. I have trouble controlling my reactions sometimes and have
developed a tendancy to fly off the handle.
>> Others have, if not forgiven me for my actions, accepted it happened and
>will
>>still treat me like a person. Until such time as you chose to, please
>extend
>>me the same assbackwards courtesy as Cristian and stay away from me. I'll
>>return the favor.
>
>If that is *your* feeling, then I guess I should. I have not tried to do
>anything but treat you as a person on my part and have not spoken to you on
>this matter before now to be judged as to how I was treating you, as a person
>or not. If you see something else there, I apologise, and assure that you
>that it was not _intended_ to be there.
Accepted. And at this moment though, it might be a good idea to not spend
large amounts of time in each other's presence. Perhaps not total avoidance,
but not large amounts of comradery.
>Steerpike
Serena Moirane Dareis'mai
"Do you belive in casual sex among friends? Do ya wanna be friends??"
SirArtist
<gaud...@windsor.igs.net> wrote:
>
>>>Ah, now I begin to see the misunderstanding.
>>
>>OOC: Yes, and it is a _whopper_. %(
>>
>>Guys, before this explodes into an argument, please take a deep breath
>>and try to give me a day or so to fix this mess, OK? I'm sorry, but I
>>think there's been a miscommunication _somewhere_ down the line.
>>
>>Chris has been hideously busy lately and probably hasn't had the
>>chance to read certain posts of mine hinting at this plot. Too, I have
>>this feeling that I may have misunderstood a question Chris asked of
>>me and led him to believe that this would be OK.
>>
>>I'm going to work something out to fix things. Please be patient,
>>guys. %/
>>
>>Simon
>
>I have been waiting for someone to get around to cracking the Yvette story.
>You have left us cliff hanging so long I want to choke you with my cyber
>hands. :-) This is great and I am enjoying Christopher's posts. I have no
>idea which way you are going to turn with this Simon, but any which way is
>fine by me. I will wait patiently, and so thanks to Justin will VanDam.
>
>JP
Sorry to have almost screwed the pooch, there, folks. I hope my
attempt to save the storyline sits well with all involved.
Simon and I had a conversation way back in August about this scenario,
and I was operating on an improper timetable, attempting to forestall
what I wrongly assumed was an erroneous action on the part of someone
other than Simon.
Mea culpa.
Christopher
SirArtist
>>To the one who has sought to impersonate me, your time is soon done.
>>
>
>Easy thar, son. Ah think we're in this one tagether. It's worse.....Yvette's
>soul's been stolen....at least, that's what Ah hear tell. Ah'm not a happy
>camper. Ah'm on th' hunt right now....an' Ah got someone who might be able ta
>help.
>
>Seein' as we're gonna have similar purposes, Ah'd suggest that we pool our
>resources an' figger out a way ta deal with this. Ya game?
>
>Nick Barton
Indeed.
Donna Matrix has assured me that the missive purported to come from me
actually originated in Denmark. Since that was the site of Yvette's
supposed demise, as well as being her home, I am currently in transit
to Copenhagen. I shall arrive before tomorrow night, and when I find
the one I seek, I shall extract the asnwers I seek.
Yours in Dark Faith Eternal,
SirArtist
<gaud...@windsor.igs.net> wrote:
>I can not say I know Justin Crowe as well as most, but I assure you that he
>did state the above comments to me. I authenticate this Justin Crowe to be
>genuine, and if that is the case, <extending and retracting claws and he
>fights to control himself> we have a situation do deal with fellow Cainte
>and members of the Order of AGVTM. Who has the means to fake Justin Crowes
>identity on the NG? I was under the impression the new software upgrade to
>protect our atonomy and guaranty freedom of speech without breach of the
>Masquerade.
Well, to be on the square with ya all, it's not really very hard to
fake a sig header, on this or any other NG. The Tremere mumbo-jumbo
may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's still based on
good old tech, which grows and changes daily. While is *is* very good,
it's not hardly good enough to keep a pro at bay, not even for a
minute. For example, I could, if I were so inclined, tell you not only
where you dialed from to make your last post, but what number you
dialed, how long you were on-line, how much you owe your ISP for your
service, what make, model and modem your machine sports, when & where
you bought it, what software it came bundled with, and what, if any
modifications might have been made to it.
Piece of cake. And about fifty or so other hackers I know are capable
of doing the same.
But this much is certain, it was a vamp who posted the bogus
necro-babble, the Tremere predigitation ensured that. And he or she
bounced the signal off of a Textricom satellite over Hawaii, and used
a Danish relay node to do it. The service provider who channeled the
file was also Danish.
The .sig file had been stripped, but that does not really mean squat.
There are about a dozen Kindred Net gliders capable of doing this, and
I've already ruled out Mockingbird and a couple others. Three are
Danish, but only one of those speaks English well enough to write the
fake jake, but anyone could have written it and paid a pro to post it.
I've got a trace and snitch utility lurking in the Danish grid,
waiting for that machine's particular array to surface. When it does,
I will have more definite info to share.
Time will tell.
>I hesitate to mention the Millenium Chamber. The make an easy scape goat in
>this matter. I did not respond to Bill Gunston's malicious accusations
>against Mirya Jade and the other Cainite, so that I would not add credence
>to his claims. This is very much like his style to divide us with false
>accusations. This is also the second time Justin Crowe has been the target
>of false representation. The first was the reward posted of $100,000,000 in
>diamonds for a lock of Lord Strange's hair.
That little bit of bullsh*t originated in San Francisco, as I recall.
A public cyber-cafe dead end.
Darrien
>fake a sig header, on this or any other NG.
All it really requires is news-server that has either open access or is under
your control (much the same thing).
<<OOC: No shit. Fucking meowers like to try and take down another ng I
frequent and one of their tactics has been to do this. Of course, you can
issue cancel messages with a bot almost as fast at they put them up there or
news-servers can refuse to peer posts passing through the "bad" news server,
but that usually requires knowing your news admin personally <smirk>>>
>The Tremere mumbo-jumbo
>may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's still based on
>good old tech, which grows and changes daily. While is *is* very good,
>it's not hardly good enough to keep a pro at bay, not even for a
>minute.
Are you saying that *my* Clan is behind the creation of this ng and its
protection from non-kindred eyes ? Strange... I had no idea...
>For example, I could, if I were so inclined, tell you not only
>where you dialed from to make your last post, but what number you
>dialed, how long you were on-line, how much you owe your ISP for your
>service, what make, model and modem your machine sports, when & where
>you bought it, what software it came bundled with, and what, if any
>modifications might have been made to it.
Only if the right ports are left open for long enough and outbond packets are
not closely monitored.
<<OOC: Okay, I should stop having Steerpike's ghoul tell him this shit and
keep my OOC info to myself... it gets frightening after a while >>
Of course, any semi-competent pro can reinstall their entire system in under
30 minutes, so knowing their OS can be limited information...
>Piece of cake. And about fifty or so other hackers I know are capable
>of doing the same.
Scarily, I think you under-estimate that number. My ghoul can do any of that
and she was far outclassed by Iona...
>But this much is certain, it was a vamp who posted the bogus
>necro-babble, the Tremere predigitation ensured that. And he or she
>bounced the signal off of a Textricom satellite over Hawaii, and used
>a Danish relay node to do it. The service provider who channeled the
>file was also Danish.
Question: who owns the ISP ? Almost certainly there is some form of kindred
control, even if just to ensure the encryption standards of our communication.
Once you learn which kindred owns the ISP you have a lead and potentially an
ally. No self-respecting ISP owner likes people who try to hack through their
system.
>The .sig file had been stripped, but that does not really mean squat.
>There are about a dozen Kindred Net gliders capable of doing this, and
>I've already ruled out Mockingbird and a couple others. Three are
>Danish, but only one of those speaks English well enough to write the
>fake jake, but anyone could have written it and paid a pro to post it.
>I've got a trace and snitch utility lurking in the Danish grid,
>waiting for that machine's particular array to surface. When it does,
>I will have more definite info to share.
If you tell me the OS, I can send you about 30 different viruses to incapicate
the system and render control of it to you. Or, better yet, fake the outgoing
packet information and allow you to do whatever you like whilst they believe
everything is fine.
Okay... my ghoul is beginning to get on my nerves...
>Time will tell.
>
>>I hesitate to mention the Millenium Chamber. The make an easy scape goat in
>>this matter. I did not respond to Bill Gunston's malicious accusations
>>against Mirya Jade and the other Cainite, so that I would not add credence
>>to his claims. This is very much like his style to divide us with false
>>accusations. This is also the second time Justin Crowe has been the target
>>of false representation. The first was the reward posted of $100,000,000 in
>>diamonds for a lock of Lord Strange's hair.
>
>That little bit of bullsh*t originated in San Francisco, as I recall.
>A public cyber-cafe dead end.
Really ? No security cameras in the area ? No mortal who worked their and
remembered the kindred ? I'm sure if you travelled their mind as well as you
travel the net, you could have gained a lead or two...
Not that I can do either <shrug>
<<OOC: Damn, I miss working for an ISP ;) >>
Darrien
>dar...@morpheus.rmta.org wrote:
>>lizz...@aol.com.azgoth (LizzieW82) chisled upon hir tombstone:
>>than reasonable" not "unreasonable".
>
> Ah, then it becomes much clearer and I see where I made the initial
>misinterpretation.
That is good. Whether my implication or your inference was wrong does not
matter, I am glad the miscommication is cleared up.
>>>>Thankyou for the explanation, I really do appreciate it, even if I am touch
>>>>"triggered" by it as well.
>>> Trite responses, snubbery and anger. That is what I read in your
>>response.
>>Really ? Was it that one, poorly phrased, sentence that gave you that
>>impression or everything ? Regardless, nothing I said was trite or intended
>>to snub Jesstyn. I have some anger, yes, but it was not directed at her.
> As I noted, I misunderstood. I let the anger I have interfere with my
>reading of your post. Sorry for blowing up at you.
Apology gladly accepted.
<Joesph>
>>Would you do it again or just kill him ?
> The truth? I don't know. If I had the option at that point, it is a fifty
>fifty thing. I wanted him to suffer as absolutly much as I could insure and
>not worry about him surviving and coming back to haunt me.
> heh. The bastard did anyway. But his biggest fear in unlife was diablorie.
>He feared sun and fire less.
After "living on a perfectly frictionless surface", diablerie has to my
greatest nightmare too...
<<OOC: Think about it...>>
>>That is perhaps a pointless question and irrelevant to this particular
>>subject; Cristian was not abused as you were. That may be stupid line to be
>>drawing in the sand, but I know that I used to do things motivated by a deep
>>sense of vengance and I've only recently over that almost fanatical reaction
>>to being done wrong. Again, that would not make me "right" to go ahead and
>>kill someone just cos they pissed me off, but that isn't what _you_ did.
>
> You want more of a reason for his actions? Love. Yeah, it's not perfect,
>but love makes people do crazy things. I know several very good examples of
>this. Tachi hurt Cristian's beloved and he paid him back for that. It's not
>an excuse and it doesn't forgive everything, but it does explain a bit no?
Maybe. I understand that some feel love justifies cruel and hideous acts and
maybe it does, although it has never been anything but a positive and good
force in my life.
I have discussed aspects of this before; that I loved my Regnant when I was a
ghoul and never felt bitterly to her (indeed, I regard it as the happiest I
have ever been and it lasted for over two centuries). I loved, and still
love, the kindred I was blood bound to a couple of years ago and it was never
a negative experience (at least, the love was not).
I have been a little abused in my past, but there was never love involved in
that and in some ways I wonder why the person(s) in question didn't use that
to manipulate me too... I can only think it because I never react with
negative emotions in conjunction with love.
When my friend, sister, daughter, mother, Fuchsia died, I loved her deeply. I
still do. My sorrow I do not regard as negative since it is part of the
healing process, as will be anger. But I do not then wish vengence,
premediatated or not, on her killer. Somehow that seems completely discordant
with the positive emotions I had for her; disrespectful and violating that
feeling...
But I am subjective and do not pretend to be anything else. I cannot
empathise with Cristian and I admit that freely. And, even if I could, I
could not appreciate how that emotion would justify the cruelty of his acts.
I could not even appreciate it as an emotional rage since it was
premediatated; all emotions pass and chosing to let them fester and develop
is something I feel is a conscious decision...
>>Hmmm.... I have the distinct sensation that anything I say right now will not
>>be taken the way is was intended...
>
> Again, sorry. I have trouble controlling my reactions sometimes and have
>developed a tendancy to fly off the handle.
>
>>> Others have, if not forgiven me for my actions, accepted it happened and
>>will
>>>still treat me like a person. Until such time as you chose to, please
>>extend
>>>me the same assbackwards courtesy as Cristian and stay away from me. I'll
>>>return the favor.
>>
>>If that is *your* feeling, then I guess I should. I have not tried to do
>>anything but treat you as a person on my part and have not spoken to you on
>>this matter before now to be judged as to how I was treating you, as a person
>>or not. If you see something else there, I apologise, and assure that you
>>that it was not _intended_ to be there.
>
> Accepted. And at this moment though, it might be a good idea to not spend
>large amounts of time in each other's presence. Perhaps not total avoidance,
>but not large amounts of comradery.
Well, perhaps I should have kept my response more brief :-/
>>Steerpike
>Serena Moirane Dareis'mai
> "Do you belive in casual sex among friends? Do ya wanna be friends??"
Friends; yes, but you would not like to see me with lust in my eyes... *I*
would not like to see me with lust in my eyes :-(
PKieferjr
In article <770sur$fg8$1...@news.igs.net>, "Det. VanDam"
<gaud...@windsor.igs.net> writes:
>Justin Crowe has my support in hunting down the party responsible for
>attacting his Status in our community.
>
With ya all th' way, Dammie. Let's go kick th' sonuvabitch's ass.
PKieferjr
In article <369407f4...@news.earthlink.net>, sira...@artlover.com
(SirArtist) writes:
>Sorry to have almost screwed the pooch, there, folks. I hope my
>attempt to save the storyline sits well with all involved.
No harm, no foul. If anything, you probably added a nice plot twist to the
whole thing.
Paul
Webwalker
<ooc: no offence to David intended, but Strange might have well have stuck
a flaming stake up Bryce's ass with this post and gotten a better reaction.
*g*>
> The message <Pine.SUN.4.01.990105...@galileo.cris.com>
> from Jacynthe <Cbo...@cris.com> contains these words:
>> In Austin, where this all came to light, the Prince of that city agreed to
>> let Mr. Barratt examine me (and some others as well, I think). He was the
>> best choice, as a Clanless, he didn't have to worry about saving face for
>> either side.
>> Would you accept Mr. Barratts findings as evidence?
> I would, although I would be lying if I stated that I was happy with
> this investigation taking place in Ottawa. I would be far happier in
> a Camarilla city but so be it.
Hey, dumbass - OTTAWA IS A CAMARILLA CITY. We ATTACKED it in the summer,
and got our ASSES handed to us because a FUCKNUT LASOMBRA decided to take
the word of ANOTHER TRAITOR TREMERE named ELIJAH (seems to be some kind
of clan commandment; "Thou Shalt Betray Thine Sect") over MINE, even though I
had been around for the PLANNING of the cities DEFENSES, knew them INSIDE AND
OUT. He thought I was INCOMPETANT because I was a Pander, and not a
'Proper' Sabbat.
>> I wouldn't have a whole lot of luck tracking that down--for some odd
>> reason, the local Sabbat don't seem to trust our truce flags anymore--but
>> the Sabbat here should be able to run with that info. Hell, Bryce and
>> Finley were there for it, too.
Yeah, we were. And the info is about as useful for the two of us as it
would be for you to learn that there was a traitorous Tremere in Ottawa
who was consorting with the Sabbat to form his own litle blood cult. Oh,
but wait; it's me, a Sabbat, who's telling this story, with a _Caitiff_ to
back me up, so _obviously_, I'm lying.
> Assuming that this whole affair is not merely a sordid Sabbat plot.
Put yer fucking tinfoil hat back on, or else those Sabbat Mind Control
Signals are going to have you dressing up in a fluffy pink tutu and dancing
Swan Lake in combat boots.
<snipped with annoyed boredom>
>> Jesstyn Calliope
>> Clan Brujah
>> Getting that boxed in feeling...
> Lord Strange
> Clan Ventrue,
> Doing his best.
*snort* At what, showing that your memory is fucked?
Bryce Calhoun, Pander
Chief, Hunters of Darkness
With a long memory, and not enough bandages or bullets
--
"With its frigid brilliance, its blue-red sweeps
and gusts of great enkindlings, its polar green,
The colour of ice and fire and solitude."
Wallace Stevens, "The Auraruas of Autumn" http://chat.carleton.ca/~smiall