Smeargle just an ugly smear in your team?
Nik Rolls
it learns the last move the Defending pokemon did. Then it learns that, and
only that, for life. What's the use of that?
Nik
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other Pokemon, Smeargle can learn just about any moveset. However, many
trainers find him to be too weak to take advantage of this ability.
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>> Ok. I don't get Smeargle. I mean, it only has one move, and once it does
>it
>> it learns the last move the Defending pokemon did. Then it learns that,
>and
>> only that, for life. What's the use of that?
>>
>It will learn Sketch again within a few levels. By Sketching the moves of
>other Pokemon, Smeargle can learn just about any moveset. However, many
>trainers find him to be too weak to take advantage of this ability.
He's not bad as a Catcher tho'...
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Smeargle learns Sketch every 10 levels, so it can in theory get any
moveset you like. However, its speed is thoroughly mediocre, and all
its other stats are worse, so it has trouble taking advantage of this
versatility.
It only has a few effective movesets. First is the Cheap Smeargle,
which works best in a Baton Pass team. Lock On, Mean Look, and one of
the One Hit KO moves, like Fissure. Also Agility to get your speed up
high enough to use the move, since not even Lock On can make you
always hit with Fissure-type moves if your speed is low. BP in some
solid defense, and he'll do pretty well.
Next is the HM Slave Smeargle, with all the HM's you can't work into
the movesets of your more useful pokemon. It won't win a lot of
fights (OK, it won't win *ANY* fights), but it's useful.
Last is the catcher. Mean Look, Spore, False Swipe, and some other
move to get the target's HP low enough to False Swipe it to
catchability in a reasonable amount of time. Again, it's not strong
in link matches, but it's useful nonetheless.
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> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:50:04 +1300, "Nik Rolls"
> <nik_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Ok. I don't get Smeargle. I mean, it only has one move, and once it does
it
> >it learns the last move the Defending pokemon did. Then it learns that,
and
> >only that, for life. What's the use of that?
>
> Smeargle learns Sketch every 10 levels, so it can in theory get any
> moveset you like. However, its speed is thoroughly mediocre, and all
> its other stats are worse, so it has trouble taking advantage of this
> versatility.
>
> It only has a few effective movesets. First is the Cheap Smeargle,
> which works best in a Baton Pass team. Lock On, Mean Look, and one of
> the One Hit KO moves, like Fissure. Also Agility to get your speed up
> high enough to use the move, since not even Lock On can make you
> always hit with Fissure-type moves if your speed is low. BP in some
> solid defense, and he'll do pretty well.
>
> Next is the HM Slave Smeargle, with all the HM's you can't work into
> the movesets of your more useful pokemon. It won't win a lot of
> fights (OK, it won't win *ANY* fights), but it's useful.
>
> Last is the catcher. Mean Look, Spore, False Swipe, and some other
> move to get the target's HP low enough to False Swipe it to
> catchability in a reasonable amount of time. Again, it's not strong
> in link matches, but it's useful nonetheless.
>
Someone please tell me WHY Catcher Smeargle always has Mean Look AND Spore?
I mean really, if they are asleep they can't run.
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>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:50:04 +1300, "Nik Rolls"
>> <nik_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Ok. I don't get Smeargle. I mean, it only has one move, and once it does
>it
>> >it learns the last move the Defending pokemon did. Then it learns that,
>and
>> >only that, for life. What's the use of that?
>>
>> Smeargle learns Sketch every 10 levels, so it can in theory get any
>> moveset you like. However, its speed is thoroughly mediocre, and all
>> its other stats are worse, so it has trouble taking advantage of this
>> versatility.
>>
>> It only has a few effective movesets. First is the Cheap Smeargle,
>> which works best in a Baton Pass team. Lock On, Mean Look, and one of
>> the One Hit KO moves, like Fissure. Also Agility to get your speed up
>> high enough to use the move, since not even Lock On can make you
>> always hit with Fissure-type moves if your speed is low. BP in some
>> solid defense, and he'll do pretty well.
>>
>One hit KOs are no longer dependant on Speed.
>
Really? I hadn't noticed. Hmm, Recover would probably be a better
move anyway, you could always BP in the speed along with everything
else.
>> Next is the HM Slave Smeargle, with all the HM's you can't work into
>> the movesets of your more useful pokemon. It won't win a lot of
>> fights (OK, it won't win *ANY* fights), but it's useful.
>>
>> Last is the catcher. Mean Look, Spore, False Swipe, and some other
>> move to get the target's HP low enough to False Swipe it to
>> catchability in a reasonable amount of time. Again, it's not strong
>> in link matches, but it's useful nonetheless.
>>
>Someone please tell me WHY Catcher Smeargle always has Mean Look AND Spore?
>I mean really, if they are asleep they can't run.
Mean Look is for keeping pokemon from running away. Spore is to give
them a status ailment (making them easier to catch) and also to stop
Roaring pokemon, particularly the legendary hamsters. The two are
only useful against non-Roaring pokemon with enough HP to make
reducing them to 1hp difficult in the course of a single sleep
difficult. Rather a rare situation, but it happens.
Think belt and suspenders.
Besides, what else goes there? Catchers don't usually face monsters
that are actually dangerous, the fights are easy, the trick is
avoiding killing them and stopping them from running away. I suppose
you could put a HM move there, or maybe Rock Smash, to remove the
burden from a more useful fighting pokemon.
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> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:50:04 +1300, "Nik Rolls"
> > <nik_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Ok. I don't get Smeargle. I mean, it only has one move, and once it does
> it
> > >it learns the last move the Defending pokemon did. Then it learns that,
> and
> > >only that, for life. What's the use of that?
> >
> > Smeargle learns Sketch every 10 levels, so it can in theory get any
> > moveset you like. However, its speed is thoroughly mediocre, and all
> > its other stats are worse, so it has trouble taking advantage of this
> > versatility.
> >
> > It only has a few effective movesets. First is the Cheap Smeargle,
> > which works best in a Baton Pass team. Lock On, Mean Look, and one of
> > the One Hit KO moves, like Fissure. Also Agility to get your speed up
> > high enough to use the move, since not even Lock On can make you
> > always hit with Fissure-type moves if your speed is low. BP in some
> > solid defense, and he'll do pretty well.
> >
> One hit KOs are no longer dependant on Speed.
To add in: the limitation is now by levels. An OHKO will not affect a pokemon
of a higher level.
> > Next is the HM Slave Smeargle, with all the HM's you can't work into
> > the movesets of your more useful pokemon. It won't win a lot of
> > fights (OK, it won't win *ANY* fights), but it's useful.
> >
> > Last is the catcher. Mean Look, Spore, False Swipe, and some other
> > move to get the target's HP low enough to False Swipe it to
> > catchability in a reasonable amount of time. Again, it's not strong
> > in link matches, but it's useful nonetheless.
About the only reason to have a damaging attack on a catcher Smeargle other
than False Swipe is to make levelling up easier. By the time it can learn 4
moves, it'll be doing enough damage with False Swipe that it won't need another
attack for most pokes in the game. OTOH, Double Team as the last move will
give you a little extra help against the Legendary Beasts, since that can cause
Roar to miss.
> Someone please tell me WHY Catcher Smeargle always has Mean Look AND Spore?
> I mean really, if they are asleep they can't run.
Pretty much for the Legenday Beasts. It's better than taking the risk that
they'll wake up within two turns and run before you can take down their HP
enough.
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TD
I find it hard to believe that a poké that can learn *any* move only has 3
viable movesets, and only one for fighting with? Surely somebody can come up
with a viable battle moveset with all of the 230-odd moves in the game? Just
seems a waste of a good opportunity really, I know it has shite stats, but
A) Its damn cool and B) Surely thats what stat boosters are for?
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>Next is the HM Slave Smeargle, with all the HM's you can't work into
>the movesets of your more useful pokemon.
Um KRABBY can do most of the HM moves...what's the point of raising it around
FORTY levels and wasting huge amounts of time when you can just lob a few Ultra
balls at a weak-ass crab and get the same results?
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I've tried it with Sword's Dance, Acid Armour, Amnesia, and Sword's
Dance, and it's still poo.
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Well, no wonder! It couldn't do any damage :-)
(And the extra Sword's Dance is pointless :-))
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It also had Rollout, you gimp. ;p
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>>
>>Next is the HM Slave Smeargle, with all the HM's you can't work into
>>the movesets of your more useful pokemon.
>
>Um KRABBY can do most of the HM moves...what's the point of raising it around
>FORTY levels and wasting huge amounts of time when you can just lob a few Ultra
>balls at a weak-ass crab and get the same results?
There are 8 HM-type moves in GS, and Krabby/Kingler can learn only
Cut, Surf, Strength, and Whirlpool. That leaves Flash, Waterfall,
Fly, and (not a HM, but needed in much the same way) Rock Smash for
another HM slave. And Smeargle and Mew are the only two pokemon I
know of who can learn all 4. Those of us who don't like using sharked
pokemon and haven't had a chance to get a legit Mew from Nintendo are
stuck with Smeargle.
The thing is, only two or three of the HM's are actually useful in
battle, that means that whatever pokemon has to have the others is
gonna be pretty weak. So why not Smeargle, who at least concentrates
the weakness in a single place so no other pokemon have to deal with
it.
Talen
Paras can learn Cut, Flash, and Rock Smash, and you can get it far
earlier than the Krabs, So hey. Plus Spore, so it can actually be used
to take out another poke.
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> <rak...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> > Smeargle learns Sketch every 10 levels, so it can in theory get any
> > moveset you like. However, its speed is thoroughly mediocre, and all
> > its other stats are worse, so it has trouble taking advantage of this
> > versatility.
> >
> > It only has a few effective movesets. First is the Cheap Smeargle,
> > which works best in a Baton Pass team. Lock On, Mean Look, and one of
> > the One Hit KO moves, like Fissure. Also Agility to get your speed up
> > high enough to use the move, since not even Lock On can make you
> > always hit with Fissure-type moves if your speed is low. BP in some
> > solid defense, and he'll do pretty well.
> >
> > Next is the HM Slave Smeargle, with all the HM's you can't work into
> > the movesets of your more useful pokemon. It won't win a lot of
> > fights (OK, it won't win *ANY* fights), but it's useful.
> >
> > Last is the catcher. Mean Look, Spore, False Swipe, and some other
> > move to get the target's HP low enough to False Swipe it to
> > catchability in a reasonable amount of time. Again, it's not strong
> > in link matches, but it's useful nonetheless.
> >
>
> I find it hard to believe that a poké that can learn *any* move only has 3
> viable movesets, and only one for fighting with? Surely somebody can come up
> with a viable battle moveset with all of the 230-odd moves in the game? Just
> seems a waste of a good opportunity really, I know it has shite stats, but
> A) Its damn cool and B) Surely thats what stat boosters are for?
It's not a matter of it having shit status that limit the movesets that are
viable for it, it's that it has _exceptionally_ shit stats. It can't even hit
the stat limit once the boosters are maxed with any of its stats. When it comes
to overall stat totals, it ranks _dead_ _last_ among final evolutions. It
doesn't even beat out many first form pokemon either, seeing that it comes in
234th in overall stat ranking, being beaten by such pokemon as Spinarak, Pidgey,
and Rattata.
It's not a great winner on types, either, as Fighting is now an important type,
and it's weak to that.
The fact of the matter is that any moveset for it is either going to have to
work around the stats or it can't be used for competition. The HM slave isn't
going to participate in any battles, and the Catcher isn't going to do it
against any opponents who are controlled by something that could make it a
threat.
Other than that, you're left with a moveset oriented towards the OHKO moves. If
you make sure your opponent won't be able to hit Smeargle (by giving it Spore to
use), it can be useful. All the moves in the moveset are independent of it's
stats, however. This moveset also doesn't really work thatwell unless you at
least BP an Agility to it, so that it can go first and prevent the opponent from
attacking it. Sending it other stat enhancements also help to absorb hits that
it will be guaranteed to take, but they're not really needed.
Having it try to power up with stat boosters won't work as it will take too much
damage before it can use more than 2 of them.. Sending stat-boosters via BP can
make other movesets viable, but it's difficult to pull off. The chance that
you'll be able to pass over everything you want without it getting screwed up
somehow is somewhat low (unless the opponent's team is full offense or full
defense).
You could try a disabling moveset, like:
Attract
Confuse Ray
Thunderwave
Mean Look/Spider Web
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All that's really going to be able to do, though is set another pokemon up to
come in and take out the other pokemon fairly easily. Even then, the stats
present a problem as it still can pretty easily take more hits than it will be
able to handle before it's finished doing what it needs to do. Also, keeping
the opponent locked in for the kill isn't really possible as there is no BP to
carry the effects of Mean Look/Spider Web.
There are many other possible movesets, but actually being viable is a near
impossibility.
Andrusi is STILL in love with SaraJ
>Cut, Surf, Strength, and Whirlpool. That leaves Flash, Waterfall,
>Fly, and (not a HM, but needed in much the same way) Rock Smash for
>another HM slave.
Kingler can learn Rock Smash. Fly and Surf are viable moves. You only need
Waterfall in two places, and one of them is optional. Flash is only needed for
certain caves, two of which can be skipped (and the third is Mt. Silver).
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