Dragons...
Cam
all...
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NO! well not a real dragon anyways. I can solo things that look similar to
dragons but are not real dragons (Drakes, wyvurns, wurms etc.) but real
dragons require several well organized groups to kill.
Ben Haddick
"Cam" <c...@nospam.core.com> wrote in message
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> I was just wondering, can any class actually SOLO a dragon? Any dragon at
> all...
>
Apparently a 60 shaman soloed one of the WW dragons one time... (Just rumor
though)
And I seem to remember something about 60 necros farming the shit out of Vox
and Naggy right after Kunark release.
Matt Frisch
into the ether:
>I was just wondering, can any class actually SOLO a dragon? Any dragon at
>all...
Yes. Shamans (and maybe necros, if they get UNGODLY lucky) can and have
solod Yeldema, a dragon in the West Wastes. It is a pretty freak occurence,
and is only possible at level 60, and with a complete spellbook (shamans
with complete L60 spellbooks can do amazing things). Only reason that one
is doable is because he lacks the AoE attack that all the other dragons
have. It *might* be possible for a shaman (or again, necro) to solo one of
the AoEing dragons, but not too likely.
Lance
Matt Frisch wrote:
Although I don't doubt that you can point out the logical error in my thinking,
I'm wondering what possible difference lack of an AOE would make when
soloing something.
When I'm taking on a cobalt drake, the only difference to me in him
having an AOE versus an effect directed at me personally is that I need
to be more careful where I kite to avoid hitting "innocent bystanders."
A group is six times as vulnerable to an AOE; a raid dozens of times
more vulnerable to an AOE; one guy, alone, with no targets nearby
he needs to avoid? AOE = DD
If I were soloing something (hmm, I do way too much of that already
as a cleric) I'd be on the lookout not for AOE, but for harmtouch or
worse, deathtouch. "Dragon says SHAMAN" and its all over.
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dstep
I'm thinking no on both, unless you mean 60 as in a number of 60
necros farming vox which is possible ;) A single 60 necro? No.
What I heard about the WW dragon was a 60 warrior and a cleric with
the pernerf cleric BP DUOING it. That one very good equipment tank was
enough with the cleric doing the complete heal on the bp when it
could.
Any single character can't, they'd beat down too fast in melee and
summoned etc.
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Leo Johnson
Not having been there but I think the dragon the shaman soloed is a
Warrior and doesn't cast at all, IIRC from reading about it.
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>On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:42:52 -0600, "Ben Haddick"
><bhad...@SPAMISBADhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Cam" <c...@nospam.core.com> wrote in message
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>summoned etc.
I fear you may be wrong, on this at least. The general consensus
is that a 60 Shaman DID solo a named WW dragon. The screenshots of
the battle and description of tactics used, etc, were all available
on the shamans crucible a while ago - not sure if they're still
there.
Its at www.interealms.com...
Sui
Dream King
>What I heard about the WW dragon was a 60 warrior and a cleric with
>the pernerf cleric BP DUOING it. That one very good equipment tank was
>enough with the cleric doing the complete heal on the bp when it
>could.
>
>Any single character can't, they'd beat down too fast in melee and
>summoned etc.
Yeldema is quite soloable with a Shaman. He can be slowed and doesnt
hit overly hard. I duoed him with a Cleric (I a monk) and I only ate 2-3
CHs.
There were screenshots when it first happened and since then people in
my guild have done it as well.
Tim Smith
>I'm wondering what possible difference lack of an AOE would make when
>soloing something.
Shamans have pets.
--Tim Smith
Dream King
Plus most AoE has a damage component in addition to the buff dispell.
Fight a dragon with AoE and a dragon without and you will know what
difference it makes. It's rather significant.
Infintiy
Invised my way in, and died in 2 seconds... I soloed yes, died yes... Ok
that didnt really happen, but sure you can solo... its living through it
that is the hard part... you need several well organised, well equipped
groups to take on even the old world dragons...
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Dream King
>My naked level 17 wood elf ranger soloed Nagafen a couple of days ago.
>Invised my way in, and died in 2 seconds... I soloed yes, died yes... Ok
>that didnt really happen, but sure you can solo... its living through it
>that is the hard part... you need several well organised, well equipped
>groups to take on even the old world dragons...
Most mobs in solb see invis so I doubt you'd make it to Naggy that way.
Lava beetles don't but I think all kobolds do. I'm not sure on bats and
LDCs.
Mark A. Rimer
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> Most mobs in solb see invis so I doubt you'd make it to Naggy that way.
> Lava beetles don't but I think all kobolds do. I'm not sure on bats and
> LDCs.
Not all the Kobolds see invis. Just those next to Kobold
Shaman. That cast the "See Invisible" spell on themselves
and those around them and those wanderers that pass
near them.
Bats do, including Vampire bats in Lower Guk (bats
are suceptible to sneak though, like EVERY mob in
the whole world of Norrath). Not too sure about LDCs,
simply because I've never passed in front of one while
sneak/hiding. Sneak/hiding is great, but I'll count on
the guarauntee of sneak over the 99% of hide any day.
If I have to go3 steps out of the way to walk behind that
warrior in SolB, I'll do it!
Richard
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It's been done. A level 60 shaman, very well equipped (Epic + JBB), soloed
Yeldema in Eastern Wastes. As far as I know he is the only one to
successfully do that. Here is the link
http://forums.interealms.com/shaman/showthread.php?s=195ce59f7a4404a3200dc61
76a374ab0&threadid=13991
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Sang K. Choe
>I was just wondering, can any class actually SOLO a dragon? Any dragon at
>all...
Yes and only one dragon: Yeldema in Western Wastes, level 53ish I
think. And only a very smart and experienced level 60 shaman (not to
mention somewhat lucky).
-- Sang.
Sang K. Choe
>>Apparently a 60 shaman soloed one of the WW dragons one time... (Just rumor
>>though)
>>
>>And I seem to remember something about 60 necros farming the shit out of Vox
>>and Naggy right after Kunark release.
>
>I'm thinking no on both, unless you mean 60 as in a number of 60
>necros farming vox which is possible ;) A single 60 necro? No.
>
>What I heard about the WW dragon was a 60 warrior and a cleric with
>the pernerf cleric BP DUOING it.
First off, let's keep the rumors consistent:
1. It is NOT a rumor that Nixx the Insane Mofo Shaman on the Test
Server soloed Yeldema. The screenshots were posted on the shaman
board.
2. No necro ever soloed Vox. Infact, NO ONE has ever soloed Vox.
The least number I know for certain to kill Nagafen was 11 people
pre-Kunark (yes, PRE-KUNARK).
3. The "rumor" of a level 60 warrior + level 60 cleric using Donal's
BP was against Naggy and it's a hard to believe rumor given the AoEs
that Naggy has.
>Any single character can't, they'd beat down too fast in melee and
>summoned etc.
See above about Nixx.
-- Sang.
Sang K. Choe
wrote:
>>Any single character can't, they'd beat down too fast in melee and
>>summoned etc.
>
> Yeldema is quite soloable with a Shaman. He can be slowed and doesnt
>hit overly hard. I duoed him with a Cleric (I a monk) and I only ate 2-3
>CHs.
I wouldn't say "quite soloable". Nixx got lucky with some of the
resists. One bad series of resists on Turgur and he's doing a naked
corpse run.
-- Sang.
Sang K. Choe
>I'm wondering what possible difference lack of an AOE would make when
>soloing something.
Hahahaha!
The people who fought Klandicar pre-buff and post-buff would know
first hand what just a single AoE does. :)
Pre-buff: AoE fear and high melee damage (quad 700+).
Post-buff: AoE fear + AoE 400 cold nuke/dispell (the latter is lure
checked so forget about resisting it) and same melee damage.
Immediately after the buffing, many were comparing Klandicar's
difficulty with Sontalak.
*SOME* dragon AoEs are just sick in terms of making those mobs
difficult. For example, Hoshkar isn't a royal pain because of his
melee, it's because of his 1250hps DD + 70% slowdown AoE.
-- Sang.
Ben Sisson
(Sang K. Choe) (if that IS his real name) disgorged:
>2. No necro ever soloed Vox. Infact, NO ONE has ever soloed Vox.
>The least number I know for certain to kill Nagafen was 11 people
>pre-Kunark (yes, PRE-KUNARK).
>
I seem to recall he was done with less. Pre-Kunark. WAY pre-kunark,
before the way summoning worked against pet aggro was changed (and how
necro pets fought, for that matter). It was just a pack of necros with
an enchanter for clarity - they just kept the pets rolling in over and
over.
Again, this was very early in EQ's raiding days.
---
Ben Sisson
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-a fan banner during the World Series
jaZZmanian Devil
> >2. No necro ever soloed Vox. Infact, NO ONE has ever soloed Vox.
> >The least number I know for certain to kill Nagafen was 11 people
> >pre-Kunark (yes, PRE-KUNARK).
> >
>
> I seem to recall he was done with less. Pre-Kunark. WAY pre-kunark,
> before the way summoning worked against pet aggro was changed (and how
> necro pets fought, for that matter). It was just a pack of necros with
> an enchanter for clarity - they just kept the pets rolling in over and
> over.
>
> Again, this was very early in EQ's raiding days.
At what point (obviously post Kunark, but how much?) did the level
restriction go in. There's a persistent rumor (and the person making the
claim is still in the game and active, by the way) that a uberbuffed up
Bard solo'd Naggy. Level 60? Not sure. But obviously it would have to
have been in whatever window of time there was between the 51-60 levels
being added into the game, and the Naggy/Vox lair level restrictions.
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Jeremiah Kristal
<js...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>Ben Sisson wrote:
>> >2. No necro ever soloed Vox. Infact, NO ONE has ever soloed Vox.
>> >The least number I know for certain to kill Nagafen was 11 people
>> >pre-Kunark (yes, PRE-KUNARK).
>> >
>>
>> I seem to recall he was done with less. Pre-Kunark. WAY pre-kunark,
>> before the way summoning worked against pet aggro was changed (and how
>> necro pets fought, for that matter). It was just a pack of necros with
>> an enchanter for clarity - they just kept the pets rolling in over and
>> over.
>>
>> Again, this was very early in EQ's raiding days.
>
>At what point (obviously post Kunark, but how much?) did the level
>restriction go in. There's a persistent rumor (and the person making the
>claim is still in the game and active, by the way) that a uberbuffed up
>Bard solo'd Naggy. Level 60? Not sure. But obviously it would have to
>have been in whatever window of time there was between the 51-60 levels
>being added into the game, and the Naggy/Vox lair level restrictions.
Hmmm, I hadn't heard that one. I had heard that a single group either
killed Naggy or got very close to doing so. I'm pretty sure that a
single group of 60s with Velious quest armor and equally decent
weapons could do so. I have heard (and seen screenshots) of a bard
charming Innoruuk (or was it Cazic) and using him to clear quite a few
mobs. The very next patch they put the level limit on bard charm
songs. Bastards!
Arolpin
really, really wants a new charm for 52+ mobs in SoL
Matt Frisch
the ether:
>Matt Frisch wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:49:39 -0600, "Cam" <c...@nospam.core.com> scribed
>> into the ether:
>>
>> >I was just wondering, can any class actually SOLO a dragon? Any dragon at
>> >all...
>>
>> Yes. Shamans (and maybe necros, if they get UNGODLY lucky) can and have
>> solod Yeldema, a dragon in the West Wastes. It is a pretty freak occurence,
>> and is only possible at level 60, and with a complete spellbook (shamans
>> with complete L60 spellbooks can do amazing things). Only reason that one
>> is doable is because he lacks the AoE attack that all the other dragons
>> have. It *might* be possible for a shaman (or again, necro) to solo one of
>> the AoEing dragons, but not too likely.
>
>Although I don't doubt that you can point out the logical error in my thinking,
>
>I'm wondering what possible difference lack of an AOE would make when
>soloing something.
A substantial part of the damage a shaman would do in an extended melee
like going against a dragon comes from the pet. AoE would zorch the pet
rather quickly. Plus, in order to resist it himself, the shaman would have
to sacrifice some ac/hp gear to wear resist stuff, which would make him
more susceptible to the melee damage from the dragon. Also, all WW dragons
do a single-slot debuff when they do their AoE damage...while an epic
shaman has the black fur boots to instantly re-buff the slot, it is a giant
pain in the neck, and the dispel sometimes hits buffs other than the top
one.
>A group is six times as vulnerable to an AOE; a raid dozens of times
>more vulnerable to an AOE; one guy, alone, with no targets nearby
>he needs to avoid? AOE = DD
Well, 6 people can plow through a dragon a heck of a lot faster, so there
are nowhere near as many of those AoEs to worry about. Plus with the
additional player horsepower, you can throw on some resist junk and take
less from the AoEs that DO get out.