Quest Armor AC.
Jason Rochelle
armor. Just saying that, it would seem to make sense since they are
tanks and we are not... but wait!
BARDS can wear PLATE ARMOR, and RANGERS cannot!
This would seem to mean that Rangers were meant to have LOWER AC than
bards, to balance their skills... right?
--
Jason Rochelle
Roadkill[PCR]
Bard chestplate 20AC
Ranger tunic 19AC
The rest of the ranger armor is under also from what I've seen on web sites,
UNLESS it's been changed and I haven't heard about it yet.
Now Clerics on the other hand...
Cleric chestPLATE 18AC
Ranger tunic 19AC
The Paladin armor has been upped to the point of actually being worthy of
even calling it plate. But the quests are still the same. So while you'll
see almost all of the classes in their quest armor from level 25 - 35, you
won't see any Paladin's in theirs until level 35 - 45. The same time they
can get much better armor.
Jason Rochelle wrote in message <38313431...@home.com>...
Sam Schlansky
<38313431...@home.com>:
>So, I hear that Ranger Quest armor has same or better AC than
>Bardic armor.
Where did you hear that? The bardic armor is 1 or 2 AC better, every
piece.
>Just saying that, it would seem to make sense since
>they are tanks and we are not... but wait!
>BARDS can wear PLATE ARMOR, and RANGERS cannot!
>
>This would seem to mean that Rangers were meant to have LOWER AC
>than bards, to balance their skills... right?
Check your facts before you bitch, you fucking idiot.
Sam
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Stephen Lange
Roadkill[PCR] wrote in message ...
>Comparing chestplates:
>
>Bard chestplate 20AC
You also not mentioning that the Bard BP also has:
STA +5, Hit Points +25, and CHA +1 not too shabby, I love it.
Zanthor
the thread.
Second, The armor is pretty damn spiffy if you ask me, I'm going to
get a full set for my cleric, I dont care about the stats, the LOOK is
cool.... Nothin like a high elf in light gold armor =)
Zanthor
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:08:13 +0800, John Vukusic
<jvuk...@i-traffic.com> wrote:
>Wondering why you have seen players in Totemic, Lambent, Ivy Etched,
>Darkforge, etc... but not Cleric armor??
>
>The cleric armor is an absolute joke.
>
>Its laughable and pathetic that cleric PLATEMAIL is the lowest ac of the
>lot... and most tedious, expensive, and time consuming to get. Plus the
>stat modifiers constitute a DOWNGRADE for all but the lowest quest
>capable clerics.
>
>Not to mention Stump-watching and Bilge-Hunting are the EPITOME of all
>that is wrong and saddening about EQ.
>
>The sheer fact that you NEVER see clerics in thier quest armor should be
>a hint to verant to reprimand the quest designer for this particular set
>of armor. Clerics have rebelled against our assinine quest armor by
>doing one thing... NOT DOING THE QUESTS.
>
>What a waste of verants time those quests were.
>
>
>Albrecht Hammerfell
>Lvl 40 Cleric
>
>(Albrecht laughs as he imagines wasting two weeks trying to camp for the
>+5 intelligence 11ac Cleric only greaves and 18ac +8 stamina Chestplate
>of the constant)
>
>
>
>> So, I hear that Ranger Quest armor has same or better AC than Bardic
>> armor. Just saying that, it would seem to make sense since they are
>> tanks and we are not... but wait!
>> BARDS can wear PLATE ARMOR, and RANGERS cannot!
>>
>> This would seem to mean that Rangers were meant to have LOWER AC than
>> bards, to balance their skills... right?
>
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Gordon Chapman
wrote:
>First, this is not a web-bbs. Dont change the subject or you fuck up
>the thread.
>
>Second, The armor is pretty damn spiffy if you ask me, I'm going to
>get a full set for my cleric, I dont care about the stats, the LOOK is
>cool.... Nothin like a high elf in light gold armor =)
>
>Zanthor
>
Good, I'm glad your corpse will look pretty when you run out of mana
so quickly.
G.
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Johan Stigaard
That depends on playstyle and group setting. All those morons chanting "We
need 200 wisdom" just don't know what they are talking about. I don't think
I ever lost a group member because I was out of mana. Usually it is other
things like bad pulls, people going LD etc. AC and resistances is equally
important as wisdom for a cleric, not to mention DEX for channeling.
Level 38 cleric with 146 wisdom.
// JS
Gordon Chapman
<mda9...@student.hk-r.spam-hater.se> wrote:
>
>That depends on playstyle and group setting. All those morons chanting "We
>need 200 wisdom" just don't know what they are talking about. I don't think
>I ever lost a group member because I was out of mana. Usually it is other
>things like bad pulls, people going LD etc. AC and resistances is equally
>important as wisdom for a cleric, not to mention DEX for channeling.
>
>Level 38 cleric with 146 wisdom.
>
146 wisdom ain't bad, but if you replace your armour with the cleric
armour it'll start dropping
BS tunic to chestplate of the constant , -4 wis +8 Sta
gatorscale leggings to greaves of the penitent, -4 wis +5 int
charred guardian shield for a shield of the devout -9 wis +5 str
That's -17 wis in only 3 items, even assuming you got BOTH bracers,
that'll regain you 10 wis, but you'd have to spend months trying to
find the bastard, added to which, there are other +5 wis bracers out
there (chipped bone bracelets which sell for roughly the same cost as
the 2 plat bars you need for the reverent quest), so if you lost all
the cleric armour, you wouldn't lose your only prime stat enhancing
items.
Zanthor
He wears full plate except the Helm. When I get the cleric Quest
armor I'll have +10 wis to the wrists so I'll have 189 Wisdom. I
still dont have a Reed Belt, or Molten/Mammoth Cloak. Thats another 9
between those two. That puts my cleric at 198 WIS Without sacrificing
good looks.
So I doubt I'll be running out of mana ;)
Zanthor
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:24:15 GMT, gor...@climax.co.uk (Gordon Chapman)
wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:49:17 GMT, xzan...@xtibbsx.net (Zanthor)
>wrote:
>
>>First, this is not a web-bbs. Dont change the subject or you fuck up
>>the thread.
>>
>>Second, The armor is pretty damn spiffy if you ask me, I'm going to
>>get a full set for my cleric, I dont care about the stats, the LOOK is
>>cool.... Nothin like a high elf in light gold armor =)
>>
>>Zanthor
>>
>
>Good, I'm glad your corpse will look pretty when you run out of mana
>so quickly.
>
>G.
>--
>
>Software engineering is an ongoing battle between software
>engineers constantly striving to create bigger and better
>idiot-proof programs and the Universe constantly striving to
>create bigger and better idiots.
>
>Right now the Universe is winning.
>
>Gordon W. Chapman
>--Lead Artist
>--Climax Group
>--gor...@climax.co.uk
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Gordon Chapman
wrote:
>My cleric has 179 Wisdom right now at level 16.
>
>He wears full plate except the Helm. When I get the cleric Quest
>armor I'll have +10 wis to the wrists so I'll have 189 Wisdom. I
>still dont have a Reed Belt, or Molten/Mammoth Cloak. Thats another 9
>between those two. That puts my cleric at 198 WIS Without sacrificing
>good looks.
>
>So I doubt I'll be running out of mana ;)
>
Good for you, but the rest of us aren't that lucky. Specialist armour
should cater to all of that class, not just the high elves who happen
to have huge base wis.
Roadkill[PCR]
>armour it'll start dropping
>
>BS tunic to chestplate of the constant , -4 wis +8 Sta
>
>gatorscale leggings to greaves of the penitent, -4 wis +5 int
>
>charred guardian shield for a shield of the devout -9 wis +5 str
Alakasam's doesn't show ANY -WIS stats on any of ther armor. And most are
actual screenshots of the stats of the armor. Where are you getting this?
Are you a Cleric, and they just left this out on the page or it's been
changed? I don't see Verant making THAT kind of blunder. That's like
giving -STR on all warrior armor or -INT on all wizard cloth.
Gordon Chapman
wrote:
>
><sighs> The quest armor doesnt actually have -wis stats.. they were
>referring to the wisdom that you would lose switching from a piece of
>level-equivalent +wisdom gear to that piece of the quest armor.
>
That is correct, thank you.
pragmatic
news:3832eb8f...@reading.news.pipex.net...
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:08:49 GMT, xzan...@xtibbsx.net (Zanthor)
> wrote:
>
> >My cleric has 179 Wisdom right now at level 16.
>
> should cater to all of that class, not just the high elves who happen
> to have huge base wis.
>
> G.
> --
rofl and well said Gordon. I won't even mention that my halfling cleric
still_can't_even_wear the Cleric armor. Fix the Typo guys, Halflings are
HFL not HEF !! I like the mace though, but will probably only get the Arms
and Bracers. The rest of it is too heavy for the AC to be worth it.
danstrad
Roadkill[PCR]
>referring to the wisdom that you would lose switching from a piece of
>level-equivalent +wisdom gear to that piece of the quest armor.
It was worded as though they had negative stats, because there was no
mention of +WIS gear on the cleric before hand.
"BS tunic to chestplate of the constant , -4 wis +8 Sta"
Your <sigh> implies that I should have KNOWN that EVERY cleric in EverQuest
has full +WIS armor on at that level. That makes you sound like one of
those guys that inspects your equipment and says "Why don't you have a
Lanseax yet? Don't you know how to play your character?"
Gordon Chapman
<road...@aroma.com.REMOVEME> wrote:
>
>It was worded as though they had negative stats, because there was no
>mention of +WIS gear on the cleric before hand.
>
I am assuming that the cleric will be in his/her support role, where
it is their duty to maximise their abilities by having the most mana.
>"BS tunic to chestplate of the constant , -4 wis +8 Sta"
>
>Your <sigh> implies that I should have KNOWN that EVERY cleric in EverQuest
>has full +WIS armor on at that level. That makes you sound like one of
>those guys that inspects your equipment and says "Why don't you have a
>Lanseax yet? Don't you know how to play your character?"
>
These were simply examples, I picked the items which are most
desirable to a cleric who wishes to maximise their mana at the level
the specialised armour is aimed at, as this was the context of the
argument, that there would be no reason to switch to the new armour
without weakening your character wisdom-wise..
I'm sorry you feel that every argument has to apply to every instance
unless categorically stated otherwise, unfortunately I think you'll
find that most of the real world tends to assume that the argument
only applies within certain parameters - those parameters were set out
in an earlier message.
C. Adams III
wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:15:35 -0500, "Roadkill[PCR]"
><road...@aroma.com.REMOVEME> wrote:
>
>>
>>It was worded as though they had negative stats, because there was no
>>mention of +WIS gear on the cleric before hand.
>>
>
>I am assuming that the cleric will be in his/her support role, where
>it is their duty to maximise their abilities by having the most mana.
And you tend to take some beating doing that. Part of my suport role
is to act as a backup and taunt Mobs off of Casters(Flash of Light
works great for this, resisted less then Root and casts faster and is
also a bit better taunt). I normaly end up in Meele short groups(if
we're lucky we have a single warrior normaly we end up with Rangers,
Rogues, and Paladins) and I'm able to taunt better then they can with
Flash of Light(except the Rogue backstabing but if I keep up Flashing
I can normaly keep the Mob off him if needed). This only works if
your in Meele range of the Mob as I won't pull it off them but change
its attack to you. This doesn't work on all Mobs at all lvls. But at
the lvls we are talking about it does work on most.
Just haveing the Mana isn't going to help you as sometimes your going
to take a beating(Expecialy if you have to start chain healing some
fool Caster)and the AC will help a lot thier. I've saved more people
by geting the Mob onto me and handleing it and also being able to cast
even though geting beat on then I have ever had cases where 1 more
heal or a few more mana would have saved someone.
Baenwort
Halfling Cleric of Bristlebane
Onorable Order of the Ovine
Cazic-Thule
When the blind leadeth the blind.....................get out of the way
Roadkill[PCR]
>it is their duty to maximise their abilities by having the most mana.
Nothing wrong with assuming that they might have those items on, I just took
offense to what the other guy implied. He <sighed> like I was stupid for
not having every item on a cleric contain +WIS items. Basically implying
that EVERY cleric has +WIS and are stupid if they don't. I don't like to be
told how to play my character, and being called stupid for not playing their
way. His post would have been fully informative to me and gotten what you
really meant across if that <sigh> had been left out.
>I'm sorry you feel that every argument has to apply to every instance
>unless categorically stated otherwise
No, I was refering to the fact that this guy felt that if you are a cleric
then you HAVE all +WIS items. He signed, as in bowing his head and saying
"What are thinking? EVERY cleric has +WIS on every peice of armor."
Implying that I'm playing the game wrong if I'm not playing the way that he
does.
>unfortunately I think you'll
>find that most of the real world tends to assume that the argument
>only applies within certain parameters - those parameters were set out
>in an earlier message.
This is usenet, where everyones news server have different standards and
lengths to how long a message stays avialable. If it's not made clear that
something you're saying has been started in a different thread, there is no
gaurentee that it's still avialable or has ever even been seen. In this
case, I saw NO reference to +WIS items in every armor slot of the cleric
character in question. So when I see:
BS tunic to chestplate of the constant , -4 wis +8 Sta
gatorscale leggings to greaves of the penitent, -4 wis +5 int
charred guardian shield for a shield of the devout -9 wis +5 str
I can only assume you meant that the -WIS was a part of the armor. Since
it's written like it is. Every wearable chestplate for a cleric in all of
Norrath does not have +4 WIS, every set of greaves do not have +4 WIS, and
every shield that a cleric can hold does not have +9 WIS. Your numbers were
specific.
My argument wasn't with you though. I asked the question wondering if the
items themselves had those -WIS stats on them. But I got a <sigh> that I
should have known that EVERY cleric Norrath wears the same armor before
getting their quest peices. That's who my argument was with.
Jim Hoffman
then who's camping?
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Before you buy.
Gordon Chapman
<road...@aroma.com.REMOVEME> wrote:
>BS tunic to chestplate of the constant , -4 wis +8 Sta
>
>gatorscale leggings to greaves of the penitent, -4 wis +5 int
>
>charred guardian shield for a shield of the devout -9 wis +5 str
>
>I can only assume you meant that the -WIS was a part of the armor. Since
>it's written like it is. Every wearable chestplate for a cleric in all of
>Norrath does not have +4 WIS, every set of greaves do not have +4 WIS, and
>every shield that a cleric can hold does not have +9 WIS. Your numbers were
>specific.
>
Yes they were specific, clearly they were specific to the two items
stated, it should have been fairly simple to deduce since each line
states TWO armour pieces - there is no "Bloodstained Tunic To
Chestplate of the Constant", it should have been obvious that I was
referring to moving FROM the first TO the second, I apologise if I did
not make this clear enough, but others understood my point.
(if you move from a) BloodStained Tunic to (a) Chestplate of the
constant, you LOSE 4 wisdom and gain 8 stamina, that was the point I
was trying to get across.
All but 1 (well 2 - bracers, have to do the same quest twice) item of
the cleric armour is totally worthless - nobody is doing the quests
(comparatively - I see crafted armour, necro armour, totemic, ivy
etched armour all the time, but I have only seen *ONE* piece of cleric
armour and that was the boots).
Gordon Chapman
<jimhoff...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Seriously, if the clerics have rebelled, and aren't doing the quest,
>then who's camping?
>
This is the worst kind of camping - waiting around for hours on end
for something to show up.
If you want the bracers you have to wait around for Zahal the Vile to
turn up as sooner or later he gets killed by the fangbreakers (great,
an 8 hour spawn with a life expectancy of 10 minutes), I can only
assume similar problems exist with other cleric quest mobs - Bilge in
particular, who is constantly being killed by the shamans and druids
for his +wis gear (note, the actual cleric item obtained from the
bilge quest, is a +8 sta chestplate - really useful).