Necro Pet Dual Wield Questions?
Lewis W Beard
How does dual wield work on Necro pets? I have heard different stories.
Some say that for the 29+ pets to dual wield, you have to give them 2
1-handed weapons. Some say that they dual wield without 2 weapons. Do
pets both dual hit and dual wield like a warrior? Someone else told me
that at level 53 or so, you dont give your pet dual weapons because then
he cant triple hit (which sounds silly). Does anyone have the definitive
answer? I am very frustrated by this.
Personally, I hope you have to give 2 weapons for dual wield to work. It
wouldn't feel right otherwise.
Lewis
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29+ pets can:
a) Dual wield with fists
b) Dual wield with (2) 1H weapons
c) Use 1H weapon and shield
d) Use a 2H weapon
Side note: Used to be able to give certain 2H weapons and a shield i.e. 2H
Rusty sword and a shield, but that stopped a while ago. Not sure which
patch.
For 53+ pets I have no idea, not that far yet. =)
Rufos
Patrick J. Foley
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>29+ pets can:
> a) Dual wield with fists
> b) Dual wield with (2) 1H weapons
> c) Use 1H weapon and shield
> d) Use a 2H weapon
Pets (and NPCs in general) cannot dual wield with their fists. They must be
equipped with 2 1H weapons in order to use their dual wield ability.
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Rufos
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Ok then. Guess its the double attacks looking like dual wields.
LØRÐKØÐا
wrote:
At 53 you get a rogue pet and they duel wield and backstab, so its
nice to give them piercing weapons like daggers and rapiers. Pets
chuck out dmg much faster if equiped then with 2 fists. Also you can
augment your pet with intensify death/augment death and they will
wield even faster. Never equip your dual wielding pet with a 2h
weapon, cause it wont produce near as much dmg as with 2 weps. I
usually buy about 10 to 12 regular daggers at a merchant( about 2pp
each) and carry those around with me in my EE bag. Also grab any FS
you can find and hold those for your pet also.
Now here is a neat trick ive found.... If you give your pet 2 weapons
at the same time (dagger and scimitar) then the pet will wield a
scimitar and dagger, but if you give your pet say the scimitar and hit
[give], then give him the dagger and hit [give] then he will wield 2
daggers.
Krodous
Lewis W Beard
pjf...@nospam.mindspring.com (Patrick J. Foley) wrote:
> Pets (and NPCs in general) cannot dual wield with their fists. They
must be
> equipped with 2 1H weapons in order to use their dual wield ability.
Thats what I would like to believe, but a friend (who admittedly only
plays a warrior in the 30s) says he watches necro pets and at 29+ they
dual wield with hands, because you see both hands punching, instead of
just one.
So I am still confused.
aus...@my-deja.com
> Personally, I hope you have to give 2 weapons for dual wield to work. It
> wouldn't feel right otherwise.
I'm not quite sure how you can justify that. Why would a creature be able to
wield two weapons and attack with each, but not be capable of simply boxing
with each fist?
as for the damage theories, i have yet to test, myself, as i just gained
my 29th level pet spell last night. "/shout woot!"
-auspix
29th de nec
Patrick J. Foley
>In article <Xns8FF38C80E2...@198.99.146.10>,
> pjf...@nospam.mindspring.com (Patrick J. Foley) wrote:
>> Pets (and NPCs in general) cannot dual wield with their fists. They
>must be
>> equipped with 2 1H weapons in order to use their dual wield ability.
>
>
>Thats what I would like to believe, but a friend (who admittedly only
>plays a warrior in the 30s) says he watches necro pets and at 29+ they
>dual wield with hands, because you see both hands punching, instead of
>just one.
No pets can dual wield without 2 weapons equipped. Verant's reason for this
is that pets are considered NPCs and if they made it so that pets could
dual wield barehanded, all NPCs of sufficient level and class to dual wield
would be able to as well. This would significantly raise the difficulty
level of higher level mobs.
Of course, Verant only came up with this explaination when they finally
realized that pets (in particular, mage pets) weren't dual wielding
automatically :)
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Jeremy Music
>In article <Xns8FF38C80E2...@198.99.146.10>,
> pjf...@nospam.mindspring.com (Patrick J. Foley) wrote:
>> Pets (and NPCs in general) cannot dual wield with their fists. They
>must be
>> equipped with 2 1H weapons in order to use their dual wield ability.
>
>
>Thats what I would like to believe, but a friend (who admittedly only
>plays a warrior in the 30s) says he watches necro pets and at 29+ they
>dual wield with hands, because you see both hands punching, instead of
>just one.
>
I _see_ tanks and pets alike swinging at the air and never connecting. I
_read_ that they are connecting. Don't rely on watching a pet animation to
tell if a pet is dual-wielding, particularly since they probably only have
one set of animations for a fighting pet.
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> In article <Xns8FF38C80E2...@198.99.146.10>,
> pjf...@nospam.mindspring.com (Patrick J. Foley) wrote:
> > Pets (and NPCs in general) cannot dual wield with their fists. They
> must be
> > equipped with 2 1H weapons in order to use their dual wield ability.
>
>
> Thats what I would like to believe, but a friend (who admittedly only
> plays a warrior in the 30s) says he watches necro pets and at 29+ they
> dual wield with hands, because you see both hands punching, instead of
> just one.
>
> So I am still confused.
It's very easy to test. Have a pet with no weapons swing for a while.
You'll never see a quad hit. Give him two one handed weapons, and viola!
Another test would be to log pet's damage and see the difference.
The correct answer is that even though the animation shows them swinging,
they don't use their off hand if it doesn't have a weapon. Generally
animations are not very reliable, as my monk, for example, swings once or
twice *after* every fight.
>
> Lewis
Sean
The weapons have some restrictions, such as:
謬hey may NOT BE NO DROP (ie, you must be able to trade it),
謬hey may NOT be two handed.
The level 29 pet and all those after MAY dual weild weapons.
The level 53, 56, and 59 pets can all tripple (and sometimes quad) without
being given any weapons.
Do not confuse double attack with dual weilding.
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Lewis W Beard wrote in message <8ve9b7$oj1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Necros,
>
>How does dual wield work on Necro pets? I have heard different stories.
>Some say that for the 29+ pets to dual wield, you have to give them 2
>1-handed weapons. Some say that they dual wield without 2 weapons. Do
>pets both dual hit and dual wield like a warrior? Someone else told me
>that at level 53 or so, you dont give your pet dual weapons because then
>he cant triple hit (which sounds silly). Does anyone have the definitive
>answer? I am very frustrated by this.
>
>Personally, I hope you have to give 2 weapons for dual wield to work. It
>wouldn't feel right otherwise.
>
Sean
the "trick" you have "found" is not a trick, its a bug and I wish they'd fix
it.
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LØRÐKØÐا wrote in message <3a1abc1f.148474716@news>...
>On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:58:58 GMT, "Rufos" <nos...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>"Patrick J. Foley" <pjf...@nospam.mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xns8FF38C80E2...@198.99.146.10...
>>> "Rufos" <nos...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> <VhyS5.14829$xd3.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>:
>>>
>>> >29+ pets can:
>>> > a) Dual wield with fists
>>> > b) Dual wield with (2) 1H weapons
>>> > c) Use 1H weapon and shield
>>> > d) Use a 2H weapon
>>>
>>> Pets (and NPCs in general) cannot dual wield with their fists. They must
>>be
>>> equipped with 2 1H weapons in order to use their dual wield ability.
>>>
Jeremy Music
>To get a pet to dual weild you must give it two one handed weapons.
>
>The weapons have some restrictions, such as:
>謬hey may NOT BE NO DROP (ie, you must be able to trade it),
You sure about this? I could swear I've given my pet no-drop weapons. I
know I've given it duplicate lore items and it dual-wielded them fine.
Lewis W Beard
"Sean" <suny...@geocities.com> wrote:
> The level 53, 56, and 59 pets can all tripple (and sometimes quad)
without
> being given any weapons.
> Do not confuse double attack with dual weilding.
That brings up another question. I saw it mentioned somewhere (as well
as your post) that level 53 pets and above can triple attack with no
weapons given. Now, can that pet can still dual wield and double strike
if you give it two weapons? Or not? I.e. is it a choice between triple
strike vs dual wield + double strike? If so, which is better? I know
that the later pets can triple AND dual wield.
MadBomma®
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> To get a pet to dual weild you must give it two one handed weapons.
I recall an incident with either the level 34 or 39 necro pet (can't recall
which exactly) that it will dual wield two 2h bronze axes that drop off the
dwarves in Butcherblock.
I just smiled and told people that commented about it that my pet was "quad
wielding" ; )
MadBomma®
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Forgot to mention that it might be fixed in a patch now also.
Tukka Yoot
> know I've given it duplicate lore items and it dual-wielded them fine.
I also recall an enchanter in my group giving her pet sarnak warbraids
(which are NO DROP) for the AC boost. I could have been mistaken
however.
LØRÐKØÐا
wrote:
>To get a pet to dual weild you must give it two one handed weapons.
>
>The weapons have some restrictions, such as:
>謬hey may NOT BE NO DROP (ie, you must be able to trade it),
>謬hey may NOT be two handed.
>
>The level 29 pet and all those after MAY dual weild weapons.
>
>The level 53, 56, and 59 pets can all tripple (and sometimes quad) without
>being given any weapons.
>Do not confuse double attack with dual weilding.
>
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>Lewis W Beard wrote in message <8ve9b7$oj1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>>Necros,
>>
>>How does dual wield work on Necro pets? I have heard different stories.
>>Some say that for the 29+ pets to dual wield, you have to give them 2
>>1-handed weapons. Some say that they dual wield without 2 weapons. Do
>>pets both dual hit and dual wield like a warrior? Someone else told me
>>that at level 53 or so, you dont give your pet dual weapons because then
>>he cant triple hit (which sounds silly). Does anyone have the definitive
>>answer? I am very frustrated by this.
>>
>>Personally, I hope you have to give 2 weapons for dual wield to work. It
>>wouldn't feel right otherwise.
>>
>>Lewis
>>
>>
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>
>
Exactly...... Pets chuck out more dmg with 2 weps! Also at 44 and 49+
the pets tend to proc more with their lifetaps when dual wielding
since they are attacking faster than with their fists. Not a hard
concept to understand. Watch a pet without weapons in a fight with a
creature. Then give the pet two weapons and watch it in another fight
with a creature of the same con. Then give your pet 2 weps and augment
it, and watch it fly. I noticed my pet stay alive longer when soloing
seafuries after buffed and dual wielding, then just bare fists and un
buffed. How can you dual wield with fists anyways, that just dosent
make sense =) To dual wield (meaning you hold something) would require
2 weapons.
Krodous
LØRÐKØÐا
wrote:
>It is not necessary to give the Rogue pet a piercer for it to backstab. And
>the "trick" you have "found" is not a trick, its a bug and I wish they'd fix
>it.
Why do you say that? You are giving them 2 weapons big whoop! Not like
its a devistating bug on gameplay. Oh and backstabs are more frequent
and land harder when the pet is wielding a weapon
Krodous
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Sean
Or, on a less über scale, it hasn't used the femurs from kurn's tower.
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Jeremy Music wrote in message ...
>Sean <suny...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>To get a pet to dual weild you must give it two one handed weapons.
>>
>>The weapons have some restrictions, such as:
>>•They may NOT BE NO DROP (ie, you must be able to trade it),
>
>You sure about this? I could swear I've given my pet no-drop weapons. I
>know I've given it duplicate lore items and it dual-wielded them fine.
>
Sean
checked with two scythes) It looks really cool, but its just for show.
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>"Sean" <suny...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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>> To get a pet to dual weild you must give it two one handed weapons.
>
LØRÐKØÐا
wrote:
>Do you have proof to substantiate your last claim?
Uhhh yes I play a 52 necro and most of my friend are higher level
necro 53+ and have the pets. Weapons=faster dmg
Someone please tell me im wrong here......
Krodous
Sean
1 mace and 1 rapier, or whatever) then I'd like to know.
And, I do play a 53 necro on Fennin Ro:
http://eq.castersrealm.com/players/view_profile.asp?Id=15066
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> "Lewis W Beard" <le...@lwb.org> wrote in message
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> > Necros,
> >
> > How does dual wield work on Necro pets? I have heard different stories.
> > Some say that for the 29+ pets to dual wield, you have to give them 2
> > 1-handed weapons. Some say that they dual wield without 2 weapons. Do
> > pets both dual hit and dual wield like a warrior? Someone else told me
> > that at level 53 or so, you dont give your pet dual weapons because then
> > he cant triple hit (which sounds silly). Does anyone have the definitive
> > answer? I am very frustrated by this.
> >
> > Personally, I hope you have to give 2 weapons for dual wield to work. It
> > wouldn't feel right otherwise.
> >
> > Lewis
> >
> >
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> > Before you buy.
>
>
> 29+ pets can:
> a) Dual wield with fists
> b) Dual wield with (2) 1H weapons
> c) Use 1H weapon and shield
> d) Use a 2H weapon
>
Mtene
nodrop items, just like any npc.
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> To get a pet to dual weild you must give it two one handed weapons.
>
> The weapons have some restrictions, such as:
> .They may NOT BE NO DROP (ie, you must be able to trade it),
> .They may NOT be two handed.
>
> The level 29 pet and all those after MAY dual weild weapons.
>
> The level 53, 56, and 59 pets can all tripple (and sometimes quad) without
> being given any weapons.
> Do not confuse double attack with dual weilding.
>
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> Lewis W Beard <le...@lwb.org> wrote in <8veh0k$vpo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
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> >In article <Xns8FF38C80E2...@198.99.146.10>,
> > pjf...@nospam.mindspring.com (Patrick J. Foley) wrote:
> >> Pets (and NPCs in general) cannot dual wield with their fists. They
> >must be
> >> equipped with 2 1H weapons in order to use their dual wield ability.
> >
> >
> >Thats what I would like to believe, but a friend (who admittedly only
> >plays a warrior in the 30s) says he watches necro pets and at 29+ they
> >dual wield with hands, because you see both hands punching, instead of
> >just one.
>
Sean
with them.
Same for no drop items.
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>I've gotten my pet to dual weild 2 handed weapons, and you can give Pets
>nodrop items, just like any npc.
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Jeremy Music
>My pets haven't used Eyerazzias, nor the water sprinkler I gave it...
>Or, on a less über scale, it hasn't used the femurs from kurn's tower.
>
It could be that the race/class restrictions on those items you have tried
prevent the pet from using them. I know there are some weapons my pet won't
use that aren't no drop as well.
>Jeremy Music wrote in message ...
>>Sean <suny...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>>To get a pet to dual weild you must give it two one handed weapons.
>>>
>>>The weapons have some restrictions, such as:
Patrick J. Foley
<OHy214RVAHA.283@cpmsnbbsa07>:
>Pets have to have a weapon in each hand to dual weild.
That's basically what I said in the post you replied to, and in the post I
made prior to that which you quoted as well :)
Tukka Yoot
> the pets tend to proc more with their lifetaps when dual wielding
> since they are attacking faster than with their fists. Not a hard
> concept to understand. Watch a pet without weapons in a fight with a
> creature. Then give the pet two weapons and watch it in another fight
> with a creature of the same con. Then give your pet 2 weps and augment
> it, and watch it fly. I noticed my pet stay alive longer when soloing
> seafuries after buffed and dual wielding, then just bare fists and un
> buffed. How can you dual wield with fists anyways, that just dosent
> make sense =) To dual wield (meaning you hold something) would require
> 2 weapons.
Monks dual wield with their fists.
Mtene
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> You can GIVE them to your pet, he just will not dual weild and double
attack
> with them.
> Same for no drop items.
>
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> Mtene wrote in message <#H#fj4RVAHA.198@cpmsnbbsa07>...
> >I've gotten my pet to dual weild 2 handed weapons, and you can give Pets
> >nodrop items, just like any npc.
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> >> To get a pet to dual weild you must give it two one handed weapons.
> >>
> >> The weapons have some restrictions, such as:
Sean
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Jeremy Music wrote in message ...
>Sean <suny...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>My pets haven't used Eyerazzias, nor the water sprinkler I gave it...
>>Or, on a less über scale, it hasn't used the femurs from kurn's tower.
>>
>
>It could be that the race/class restrictions on those items you have tried
>prevent the pet from using them. I know there are some weapons my pet
won't
>use that aren't no drop as well.
>
>
>>Jeremy Music wrote in message ...
>>>Sean <suny...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>>>To get a pet to dual weild you must give it two one handed weapons.
>>>>
>>>>The weapons have some restrictions, such as: