Hide & Sneak
Mozzer
Sorry to butt in - I confess I'm new to the group and haven't really got
into the swing of things yet, but I was just wondering if someone could
answer me a couple of questions.
Now, I've already posted something like this on the forums at www.eqhq.com,
but I always figure you can't get too much information - just in case any of
you read those forums and think I'm wasting your time.
When I first started playing EverQuest I swiftly fell in love with the Dark
Elves and, though I've started a lot of characters, most of them have been
Teir'Dal. But I soon got frustrated and bored with the casting classes and
felt it was time to try a rogue. Now rogues have two innate skills - Hide
and Sneak.
I have no idea how they're used. What does Hide actually do? I know it
makes me disappear, because I've seen it happen using external views. But
that doesn't seem to stop other people seeing me. I've had other PCs walk
up to me and start a conversation while I've believed I'm invisible. Do you
have to Hide from a specific target? Is it something you have to work on,
like Swimming or Sense Heading?
Likewise Sneak doesn't seem to do much, although I confess that's probably
just because I'm just not very good at it yet. I'm still in the "you sound
like a herd of running elephants" stage at the moment, but any advice on
what I could ultimately expect this skill to do would be much appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
--
Mostinius the 7,367th.
a.k.a. Mozzer, Fat Moz, "Gods, what the hell is it?"...
Belhaven
train both and get better at them.
The normal process I use is to pick a nearby mob that is worse
than different and /CON him. Then I press hide. Then I /CON
him again. If my reaction to them is now indifferent, then I've
sucessfully hidden. It also helps to pick one of the tougher
mobs in the area.
Sneak, I beleive, works like hide, but allows you to move about
(although at a slower pace)
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> I have no idea how they're used. What does Hide actually do? I know it
> makes me disappear, because I've seen it happen using external views. But
> that doesn't seem to stop other people seeing me. I've had other PCs walk
> up to me and start a conversation while I've believed I'm invisible. Do you
> have to Hide from a specific target? Is it something you have to work on,
> like Swimming or Sense Heading?
> Likewise Sneak doesn't seem to do much, although I confess that's probably
> just because I'm just not very good at it yet. I'm still in the "you sound
> like a herd of running elephants" stage at the moment, but any advice on
> what I could ultimately expect this skill to do would be much appreciated.
Hide makes you invisible while standing still, but anyone who has see invisible
cast on themselves will be able to see you. I think most sow casting classes
will use hide, if they have it, or cast camo when medding in high traffic safe
areas, if they are trying to get their mana back up asap and do not wish to be
hit up with sow/clarity/buffs requests. Some people may have caught on to this
and have started using see invis to beg from resting casters.
Sneak, as I understand it, reduces the noise you make while moving. I remember
reading some time back that some mobs can detect you even when your are
invisible by HEARING you. So camo + sneak would let you get by them :-)
Aslahn
Sensei
rogues get is that if you push sneak + hide at the same time, you can move
around while invisible. It's slow moving, but you can do it. I've explored
some places that I should have never even been able to get into. :) This
invisibility works for all types of creatures. Even undead creatures. Yet
another cool thing about rogues is that we can buy and sell to merchants of
any faction. What you do is that sneak + hide thing up behind them and do
your normal selling and buying. This includes quests.
Sensei
"Mozzer" <sfm...@sfm1011.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
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> How do, all.
>
> Sorry to butt in - I confess I'm new to the group and haven't really got
> into the swing of things yet, but I was just wondering if someone could
> answer me a couple of questions.
>
> Now, I've already posted something like this on the forums at
www.eqhq.com,
> but I always figure you can't get too much information - just in case any
of
> you read those forums and think I'm wasting your time.
>
> When I first started playing EverQuest I swiftly fell in love with the
Dark
> Elves and, though I've started a lot of characters, most of them have been
> Teir'Dal. But I soon got frustrated and bored with the casting classes
and
> felt it was time to try a rogue. Now rogues have two innate skills - Hide
> and Sneak.
>
> I have no idea how they're used. What does Hide actually do? I know it
> makes me disappear, because I've seen it happen using external views. But
> that doesn't seem to stop other people seeing me. I've had other PCs walk
> up to me and start a conversation while I've believed I'm invisible. Do
you
> have to Hide from a specific target? Is it something you have to work on,
> like Swimming or Sense Heading?
>
> Likewise Sneak doesn't seem to do much, although I confess that's probably
> just because I'm just not very good at it yet. I'm still in the "you
sound
> like a herd of running elephants" stage at the moment, but any advice on
> what I could ultimately expect this skill to do would be much appreciated.
>
Sensei
because Dark Elves receive the hide skill naturally and rogues get it at a
certain lvl later on. Until you reach the level at which rogues get the hide
skill, you might not get the message that tells whether you are successful
or not. I'm not sure, but that seems like something that could cause you to
not know whether you're hidden. :)
Sensei
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tseymour
level. At that point you will get a message that says eiter "You have
failed to hide your self." or "You have hidden yourself from view." Also
hide is your evade skill when in a group and a MOB turns and starts
attacking you turn off auto attack and press hide when the button is no
longer greyed out. If you are succesfull the mob will attack the next
person on his hate list. Sort of a reverse taunt.
Always keep your hide and sneak skillls as high as your level will allow
they are your second and third most important skills. Most importantly
visit the safehouse. http://www.guildboss.com/safehouse/
They you will find all the information a young rogue could ever need.
Lilum
level 24 rogue
Tribunal
Dilettante
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>Now, I've already posted something like this on the forums at www.eqhq.com,
>but I always figure you can't get too much information - just in case any of
>you read those forums and think I'm wasting your time.
I'm not familiar with www.eqhq.com, but just for Rogue information
you're best off looking through http://www.guildboss.com/safehouse/ ,
specifically the 'Library' section.
>When I first started playing EverQuest I swiftly fell in love with the Dark
>Elves and, though I've started a lot of characters, most of them have been
>Teir'Dal.
> But I soon got frustrated and bored with the casting classes and
>felt it was time to try a rogue. Now rogues have two innate skills - Hide
>and Sneak.
You've started a Teir'Dal Rogue? Good for you. Barbarians are ugly,
smelly, hairy, oleaginous oafs. And that's just the women.
>I have no idea how they're used. What does Hide actually do? I know it
>makes me disappear, because I've seen it happen using external views. But
>that doesn't seem to stop other people seeing me. I've had other PCs walk
>up to me and start a conversation while I've believed I'm invisible. Do you
>have to Hide from a specific target? Is it something you have to work on,
>like Swimming or Sense Heading?
A successful hide will make you invisible from nearly all living and
undead monsters. There are some mobs who can see through Hide itself,
but they are few and far between. Other than that, a plain 'see
invisible' spell will show up Rogues to other players.
It is a skill you need to practice, come to a complete halt, and hit
your 'Hide' hot key. As far as I know, Rogues are the only class that
get a message that they have hidden themselves successfully. Otherwise,
you will need to consider a target which would normally have a faction
other than 'indifferent' to you. If say, a friendly shopkeeper went
indifferent to you after hiding, you are actually properly hidden. [1]
Also, your hide skill is used to activate your Evade skill. During a
fight, stop attacking and hit your hide hot button. You will get a
message saying whether you have succeeded or failed. If you manage it,
the mob will lower you on it's hate list. Note that it will always fail
if you are moving (that includes being knocked back by enemies, try to
time it right), it is only useful if there is another person generating
hate to evade on to, and sometimes even with a successful message you'll
still be the mobs favourite punching bag if your group mates are not
generating enough hate themselves.
Be responsible with it, it's great for damage mitigation and sharing,
and for keeping your melee output up, but it can get your group mates
hurt or even killed. Especially Rangers, popularly.
>Likewise Sneak doesn't seem to do much, although I confess that's
>probably just because I'm just not very good at it yet. I'm still in
>the "you sound like a herd of running elephants" stage at the moment,
>but any advice on what I could ultimately expect this skill to do would
>be much appreciated.
The message you want to hear is "You are as quiet as a cat stalking it's
prey." It will lower the aggression radius of mobs around you for you.
That is to say, you can pass nearer mobs with just sneak on before they
will attack you. Really for a Rogue, you are best off using both. Sneak
until you are successful, and then Hide. You are now totally invisible
to perhaps 95% of all mobs in the game, and you can move right up to
them. It's great for corpse retrieval, and for moving through dangerous
or unknown areas.
It is slow though. With a Spirit of the Wolf, you can sneak+hide at near
full speed, and past 50 your sneak+hide speed increases as you level, to
full running sneak+hide speed at 60, including any running speed spells
you may have on you too.
To use any merchant you fancy, sneak+hide and move up behind them to buy
and sell things at 'indifferent' faction prices, plus charisma. If the
vendor is Kill on Sight to you though, always make sure to Hide again
before moving off. If you are that unpopular, you can hand in quest
items like this as well.
Past 100 skill, Sneak and Hide have never failed for me.
>Thanks for your time.
Ur wlcm.
[1] Using third-person view will always show you to be invisible,
successful or not. Unless you're a Rogue and receive the message, it is
not a way to check.
--
Dilettante "You are as dead as a newbie on Veeshan's Peak."