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Androck

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Jul 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/18/99
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I can make studded and reinforced leather...

Is anyone even interested in it? Leather only costs a couple plats.

How much could I charge for my studded or reinforced leather?


Thanks

Androck


Dapumkins

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Jul 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/18/99
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Why would anyone get reinforced leather when banded is better and not that
expensive?
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Jeff K.

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Jul 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/18/99
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Dapumkins wrote in message ...

>Why would anyone get reinforced leather when banded is better and not that
>expensive?

Can druids use reinforced leather? If so that would be one market. Of course
I understand that reinforced leather is fairly expensive to make, so the
benefits may not be worth the price to them.

Jeff K.
Nystramo on Cazic-Thule

Timothy J Parker

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Jul 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/18/99
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Dapumkins wrote:
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> Why would anyone get reinforced leather when banded is better and not that
> expensive?

Druids need better armor than ordinary leather. There just isn't enough
magic stuff to go around. If anyone is ever able to make studded or
reinforced leather armor reliably, (cheaply), they can make a small
fortune selling to druids. The stats on the stuff aren't all that much
better than plain leather, but the potential market is very large.

Numrennos

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Jul 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/18/99
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The price for store-bought leather is pretty steep, and
studded offers the same protection, so to low level
characters who cannot afford banded and to druids, it would
offer a low cost alternative.
Reinforced has one better AC than leather, so it would
presumably be able to be sold for more than store bought
leather to druids, possibly the same price as banded.
A "full" suit would be nice, but of course, we have only
the basic 7 components to work with.

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A.G. Turner

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Jul 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/18/99
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There are two markets that come to mind.

1) Druids.
2) People interested in a particular "look" for their character.

How large the market will be for Druids depends largely on the Store bought
leather/Reinforced leather comparison. What is the AC gain for all 7
pieces? What is the price difference?

Setting prices. Prices should be set based on material costs and failure
rates. For instance if materials cost 2p and failure rate is 50%, then your
looking at 4p as a break even point. So you would want to charge something
like 5p to make a modest profit.

However, the cost must be justified by the AC in relation to Vender and
Player sold items. For example:

I have a Ranger that wouldn't mind some Reinforced Gloves, since he doesn't
want to spring 30p for Chainmail gloves. (Banded gloves cannot be made.)
But if I compared Reinforced to Ringmail and found the AC the same, then I
would look at which is more expensive.

I have a Shaman that wouldn't mind a Reinforced Leather Helm (he likes the
bear) and arms (he likes tanned, bare arms). But there the issue is again
AC and Cost issues. He might be willing to drop 1 AC a piece over banded
for the purpose of being unique, but I doubt he would be willing to drop
much more than that. And if the cost of Reinforced exceeded the cost of
Banded, he would really have to think about it.

Just my 2 coppers worth.

RoccoS

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:02:58 -0800, Numrennos <mtu...@luc.edu> wrote:

>The price for store-bought leather is pretty steep, and

>studded offers the same protection, ....

Why do people think that all there is to armor is AC?

After many trials, I am convinced that :

1) Your AC determines whether you get hit or not.
2) The type of armor you are wearing determines how much damage you
take when you are hit.

I've never tried reinforced armor, but I have to believe that studded
leather will result in taking less damage than leather, and reinforced
less damage than studded.


Androck

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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So, thanks to everyone who replied, and one little follow-up question for
any of you druids out there...

Assuming that reinforced leather is 1 ac better than leather, what would you
offer someone to make you a piece?

3 plat? 4? 5? more?

My primary character is a wizard who mostly does trade skills, so I am
really not knowledgeable about armor.

Androck

Sophist

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Jul 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/20/99
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In article <7n0agi$pvq$1...@garnet.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Androck"
<awarman@@nbnet.nb.ca> says...

I've only come across one player selling reinforced leather tunics.
He wanted 75pp for one.

Needless to say I'm still wearing my Lock Jaw tunic :).

Sophist

Dennis Francis Heffernan

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Jul 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/20/99
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On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 03:21:15 GMT, neve...@nospam.com (Sophist) wrote:

|I've only come across one player selling reinforced leather tunics.
|He wanted 75pp for one.

The sad part is that it's entirely possible that that is a fair price for
the cost to manufacture.

|Needless to say I'm still wearing my Lock Jaw tunic :).

Not surprised.


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Timothy J Parker

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Jul 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/20/99
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Sophist wrote:

> I've only come across one player selling reinforced leather tunics.
> He wanted 75pp for one.
>

> Needless to say I'm still wearing my Lock Jaw tunic :).
>

> Sophist

Herein lies the main difficulty: the freaking trade skills!!!
It probably cost him almost that much to make. <expletives deleted>

Sophist

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Dennis Francis Heffernan <dfra...@email.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 03:21:15 GMT, neve...@nospam.com (Sophist) wrote:
>
> |I've only come across one player selling reinforced leather tunics.
> |He wanted 75pp for one.
>
> The sad part is that it's entirely possible that that is a fair price for
> the cost to manufacture.


Aye. That is precisely what scares/irks me.

Sophist


Numrennos

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Jul 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/20/99
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If you want to sell only to druids, you could probably
charge the same price as banded, and since it is the best
non-magic armor they can find, and the price would still be
less than store bought leather, they would be stuck with it.
If you want to open the market up to everyone, you will have
to charge substantially less than banded, probably 30%, and
studded would be about 20% or so compaired to banded. At
this price,
Reinforced Studded
Tunic 5pp 4pp
Legs 5pp 4pp
Cap 3pp 2pp
Gorget 3pp 2pp
Sleves 3pp 2pp
etc..

Gloves, since banded gloves cannot be made, could probably
be sold for 4pp and 8pp for studded and reinforced.
(Leather gloves are about 5pp from vendors and same AC as
studded).

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Dennis Francis Heffernan

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Jul 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/21/99
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Perhaps when I have truly mastered Fletching (you get the Master title way
too early in relation to the difficulty of making high-end goods) I'll go back
to Blacksmithing and find out for myself what it really costs to make the
advanced leathers and whether they're worth it.

But then again, maybe I won't.

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