>A Japanese game maker (it was either Taito or Nintendo, I forget) designed
>a video game about a big gorilla that resembled King Kong. I guess they
>didn't want to get into copyright battles by using the name, so they
>called it Monkey Kong. But somewhere along the way, it was transliterated
>incorrectly, and the game became known, for all time, as 'Donkey Kong'.
I thought it was because the japanese think of Donkeys as stupid, and
thought that they were really implying that Kong was stupid.
(or alternatively, the Japanese word for "stupid" is the same as "donkey"?)
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"I need that trephination stuff like I need another hole in the head"
-- Kim L. Greer in alt.folklore.urban
Brian
Did you know that Donkey Kong was the first ever game to include the character
Mario, as in Super Marion Bros. Interesting eh?
(don't bother posting a replay saying NO!)
Oscar Trit or Gavin Millarrrrrrrrrrrrr
The Mitsubishi "Stallion" was not so fortunate, and the misprint stuck.
Bob
One reason why the Vauxhall Nova did not sell very well in
Spain was because
"Nova" == (Spanish *) "Won't move".
(ps. could be an urban legend. I don't Habla Espanol very well)
One thing I do know is that Citroen sold their BX model
in a TRD version in Europe, but the same thing is marketed
as a DTR in the UK, for obvious reasons........
OB-t-shirt :
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Seen on t-shirt here in Berkeley :
A picture of a shaven pussy, with the words :
"Read My Lips. No Bush in '92."
(There are two puns there. Think about it......)
OB-Lawyer-joke :
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Reader's Digest, July 1992 :
Q. How many lawyer jokes are there ??
A. Three. The rest are true stories.
OB-Offensive-redneck statements :
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( hey, this is the sentiment that seems to prevail on rec.humor )
( nowadays. So, even if I don't agree with any of this......... )
Jesus is great.
George Bush is great.
Desert Storm was a great victory.
Foreigners suck.
:
:
(blather, blather....burp....fart....)
(Hey, don't blame me, these are redneck statements...)
:
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>Before it was available for sale, a Toyota model (not sold in US) called
>the "Soarer" was reported in US car magazines as "Soala"
Evidently, the reason the US pronounces the name Celica different from the
rest of the world can be traced back to one disk jockey at one particular
radio station that ran the first ads for it in the states.
In the rest of the world, it's "Ce-LEAK-ah", in the US it's more like
"Cell-lick-a". One case where Canadian pronunciation thankfully did not
follow the US model.
This story was told to me by the VP of Toyota Canada, Hector Dupuis.
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"Ok dear, want me to call the bike shop and see if they'll sponsor your
mid-life crisis?" "Yeah. Ask them if they'll upgrade my shifters, too"
And in a similar vein ....
An American WWII movie was once subtitled in French.
One scene involved a sentry who saw some enemy tanks approaching.
He runs into camp screaming "Tanks! Tanks!! Tanks!".
The French subtitle: "Merci! Merci! Merci!"
There is a story that has been going around for years that an American
technical manual was translated into Japanese and the term "hydraulic ram" came
out as "water buffalo" in Japanese. Anyone care to vouch for the veracity of
this?
Connor/Castigat ridendo mores
> One reason why the Vauxhall Nova did not sell very well in ...
I think it's time someone mentioned September.
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Once FIAT (Italian cars) tried some car called Croma on our dutch market,
but we already have (some sort of) butter called croma, so the car was
no big success.
Didn't one of the advertisments of Coca Cola or Pepsi which was something
like: "brings back the youth in you" or "for a new generation" translated
into Chinese wrongly and when translated back to english it was something
like: "Brings back all your (dead) ancestors"
Dolf
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That'd be in the three-sided Churchill, Bob.
-Paul "Monty" Ashley
obFrozenChicken: Actually, I just wanted to say "obFrozenChicken".
Everyone should say it occasionally.
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-- Bugs Bunny |
Nova = no go in Spanish.
>
>Didn't one of the advertisments of Coca Cola or Pepsi which was something
>like: "brings back the youth in you" or "for a new generation" translated
>into Chinese wrongly and when translated back to english it was something
>like: "Brings back all your (dead) ancestors"
"Coke adds life" was the English, I think. We just tried to figure this
one out over on alt.usage.english.
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>Wasn't some Japanese car no success in Spain because it's type name is
>something like masturbation in spanish ?
>Once FIAT (Italian cars) tried some car called Croma on our dutch market,
>but we already have (some sort of) butter called croma, so the car was
>no big success.
>Didn't one of the advertisments of Coca Cola or Pepsi which was something
>like: "brings back the youth in you" or "for a new generation" translated
>into Chinese wrongly and when translated back to english it was something
>like: "Brings back all your (dead) ancestors"
And the Grapes of Wrath book by Steinbeck was translated as The Angry Raisins.
I dont remember if into Chinese or Japanese, but i believe Chinese.
-kimberli roan
This sounds like a permutation of the wax tadpole UL/factoid/true story.
To review:
When Coca Cola began marketing in the People's Republic of China, they
selected a series of Chinese syllables that sounded close to "koh kah koh
lah," but later discovered that the syllables meant "bite the wax tadpole."
They then selected another sequence of syllables that meant "the mouth
rejoices."
Does anyone know whether this is a UL or TRUE STORY(TM)?
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Come and die with me forever.
There are some really unfortunate car name out there;
Chevrolet CITATION? Nice to name your car "traffic ticket."
I also heard rumors of a Dodge (I believe it was Dodge) IMPACT.
I thought that was a good one, too.
Kristy "I'll take the GEO Crash, please" Patterson
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And number 3.
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You just *love* this, don't you?
C "Anyone know any good Churchill stories?" Frog
No Va = Won't Go
>I admittedly haven't been following this string to closely, so i am
>wonderin if you have mentioned the Nova (car). It didn't sell well in
>Mexico because in spanish no va means (literally) "no go". not a great name
>for a car.
Yes, and I hear that Monty Python once made a record with 3 sides.
(Or maybe it was Gladstone and the Disraelites)
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(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
In our innermost soul, we are children and remain so for the rest of our lives
-- Sigmund Freud
I admittedly haven't been following this string to closely, so i am
wonderin if you have mentioned the Nova (car).
I'm afraid not.
Then there's my favorite air traffic folks: RANSOM AIRLINES.
As Steven Wright might've said if he'd thought of it:
Two of my imaginary friends bought new cars today.
A Charade, and a Mirage.
Forget the Chevy Nova? Not likely, since EVERYBODY and their BROTHER has
been DRILLING the fact that "Nova" means "doesn't go" in Spanish into
our HEADS with JACKHAMMER-like PRECISION.
Oh, by the way, I heard there was a computer program developed in the
Fifties that was supposed to automate translation of Russian into English.
It rendered "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak" into the Russian
for "The meat is rotten, but the vodka is holding out." Is this true?
Larry "Ted, do you know?" Doering
That's four.
Ted "anyone know any funny stories about tv game shows?" Frank
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No, Desmond Dekker and the Aces.
cj "I don't want to end up like Bonnie and Clyde" l
obQues: Can someone explain the connection between the Israelites and
Bonnie n' Clyde?
No no no. You're confusing this with the short-lived American Motors
vehicle, the Pollo Gelido.
>de...@buhub.bradley.edu INEVITABILE FATVM de...@camelot.bradley.edu
>
> Come and die with me forever.
Snuff said.
- Mark "My other car is a Supercooled Capon" Eckenwiler
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Mark Eckenwiler e...@panix.com ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
What can I say?
I don't like it. It just amazes me that when someone goes newbie trolling
how many people he catches.
I generally lurk in newsgroups for a while so that I don't unintentionally
make a fool of myself. And then join only tenatively until I am sure of the
flow of the group. This is not just on the computer but in life. One can't
just wade in, you must test the waters first, and see if you have anything
that can be contributed, or that you want to get involved in the first place.
I was once in a deep discussion of the nuances of model rocketry with a
friend. We both had launched more than 100 model rockets each, and we
were comparing notes. A third person entered the conversation with: "I
shot a rocket once." It was completely inappropriate to the existing
conversation, and if he taken the time to listen he would have realized
that he was out of his depth in the conversation, and had nothing to
contribute.
I think newbies (whether freshman or new to the net) should have the same
politeness. There is an FAQ list that is posted regularly that states that
this is a strange group. A two week perusal of the group will have the
new user up to speed where the question of posh will not have to answered,
and Nova can remain at GM.
Actually, I shot a rocket once, wouldn't be a bad motto for AFU.
"Vunce the rockets are up, who cares where they come down,
Its not my department,
said Werner von Braun."
I shot a rocket once. I read AFU.
That must be the connection.
4 out of 5 people who ever shot off rockets read AFU.
cjl
Nononono.
The absolute most ridiculous name goes to the Ford Probe.
I mean, honestly. Would you buy a used Probe?
No, I can't say that I do.
On the other hand, I reread a Dave Barry column last night where he mentions
the Wax Tadpole incident. He claims to have called Coca-Cola and gotten
confirmation of this story from someone named Darlene.
Does anyone know a Darlene at Coca-Cola, or know someone who does?
Ted "teeth of the sea" Frank
Let's nor forget the classic Chevy Nova (I have one for sale, BTW)
which did not get a warm reception in Spanish-speaking countries.
How could we?
>
> You just *love* this, don't you?
I know I am. I'm just waiting for snopes to join in.
Jay "We don't need no stinking quote" Denebeim
ari...@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
+
+Nononono.
+
+The absolute most ridiculous name goes to the Ford Probe.
+
+I mean, honestly. Would you buy a used Probe?
Sounds like a clever name to reinforce the new car market and dispense
with the aftermarket.
BTW, isn't the GM hotshot electric car called the Impact?
Terry "If it isn't, it ought to be" Chan
--
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Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory |
Berkeley, California USA 94720 | Carpe Per Diem
These 3 strings walk into a bar ... (*)
Anyway, one wonders why they don't just translate "Nova" into Spanish,
and call it a "Nuevo".
(*) Write me if you don't get this.
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This appeared in one of the Readers' Digest humor columns, as did
the "translation" 'Out of sight, out of mind' --> 'Invisible idiot'.
Having studied Russian once upon a time, yeah, you can get one
out of the other, if you are willing to be sufficiently literal . . .
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Well, I used to make and shoot matchstick rockets. Does that count?
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Larry "nye ponemayu ruskii yazik" Doering
> Anybody famous ever shoot off a rocket?
Werner Von Braun?
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>BTW, isn't the GM hotshot electric car called the Impact?
Pontiac has a plastic concept car called the Salsa. Presumably, it
indicates what you'll look like after an accident.
Bad Car Pun: A SOAF (sister of a friend) once named her second car
placenta. (No, it wasn't a previa). Seems she had named her first car
Bertha, so the second one must have been after Bertha.
OBscurePun: Motor Trend once wrote about a guy who named his car Tazio.
Why? It was a new volare.
Paul "Can't believe I'm posting this with my real name." Joslin
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| three or more become a "Congress".
>BTW, isn't the GM hotshot electric car called the Impact?
Bad Car Pun: A SOAF (sister of a friend) once named her second car
>Let's nor forget the classic Chevy Nova (I have one for sale, BTW) which did
>not get a warm reception in Spanish-speaking countries.
>No Va = Won't Go
Thank you. Do you know any amusing Churchill stories?
Paul "or was it Disraeli? Oops, I owe Ted royalties now!" Joslin
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| Gerald R. Ford
For those of you who didn't get this, it's a pun on the Italian race car
driver, Tazio Nuvolari. Road and Track once ran a photo of a snowbank
with a perfect impression of a 240Z on the side - captioned "Datsun Ice Car".
And a co-worker of mine many years ago named her German-built Ford
subcompact "Uncle Fiesta".
AWR
Mark
>And a co-worker of mine many years ago named her German-built Ford
>subcompact "Uncle Fiesta".
I had a bright orange 1972 VW Super Beetle with no muffler (what other kind
of beetle was there?). After somebody hit it and claimed they didn't see it,
I named it "Stealth Beetle".
Sorry - nothing to do with folklore, I just thought it was fun...
ObUL: Elvis is trying to set a record for the most sightings of a dead
person. If you see him, please send a get well card to Craig Shergold.
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I used to homebrew computers, now I homebrew beer. Is this progress?
NononononoNO!
The Ford Prefect beats that hands-down.
And yes, I would buy a used Prefect. I was one when I was at school:)
Kay
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Jeez, I'm glad you explained it. I was wondering what in hell
it had to do with "Death in Venice."
>NononononoNO!
>The Ford Prefect beats that hands-down.
>
>And yes, I would buy a used Prefect. I was one when I was at school:)
American fact: The Prefect was never sold here, so most of us never
got the joke in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy."
I didn't know what "Hotblack Desiato" was either until I saw it on
a FOR SALE sign in London and stood there on the corner howling
like an idiot. But I suspect I've mentioned that already. Never mind.
--
Matt McIrvin, posting nonsense again
How about Leopold Bloom?
Bruce "I can spell Nausicaaaaaaaaaa but I don't know when to stop" Tindall
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Duke University Medical Center k...@orion.mc.duke.edu
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Durham, NC 27710 fax: 919-681-5636
Yes, but did you know where your towel was at?
Jonathan "Don't talk to me about Life!" Quist
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There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
>I didn't know what "Hotblack Desiato" was either until I saw it on
>a FOR SALE sign in London and stood there on the corner howling
>like an idiot. But I suspect I've mentioned that already. Never mind.
So, don't keep the rest of us American Douglas Adams fans in suspense.
What does "Hotblack Desiato" refer to?
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: when given "Out of sight, out of mind" to translate into Russian and back
: again came out as "Invisible idiot" ...
And for a third example, a technical paper on hydraulic rams came out a
a "water goat".
Konstantin Tsiolkvosky?
Robert Goddard?
Bob Sieck?
-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
kje...@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"The earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind will not stay in
the cradle forever." -- Konstantin Tsiolkvosky
Since it takes the local computer about two minutes (an eternity!) to
access the 1800+ (!!) entries on this newsgroup, I plan on doing this once a
month when I have a lot of time to read everything.
I just waded in, going down the list, and have posted at least three
times so far. I knew what a UL was, or else I wouldn't have subscribed to
this service (I have a choice of some 3,000 groups).
I was surprised to see the "grossest" file on a UL group, and the
stream of consciousness file with the actors is a bit different.
BTW, I have never shot a rocket, but I have seen instructions for
turning a two-liter bottle into a water rocket. (For God's sake DON'T tell
Dan Quayle!)
Torsten at Omaha (which is currently number three on the first cities
in the U.S. to be anihillated during World War Three (D.C. and NORAD are first
and second))
Playboy Magazine Party Jokes July 1987 (?) There it was one string.
>
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hyuk Hyuk!!
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> group. Any questions, see Phil Gustafson who will gladly rearrange your
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>
> - py...@quads.uchicago.edu, who is still costing the net
> hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars, every time he posts -
> ************************************************************************
Actually, I use ":)" which is easier to type, and looks more like a
smiley face. Are all such "faces" banned from this newsgroup? Fine with me.
It just means that people will have to learn to read the author's intent.
The University Library at the University of Nebraska at Omaha is
sinking not from the weight of the books (which doesn't help) but because
the building was built on an old creek bed. The library is moving, and if you
look up at the North wall, you can see an inch opening between the ceiling
beams and the wall. Every few years the university pumps concrete into the
foundation, but I give the building a life less than fifty years (2025). Of
course, by that time, most libraries will be storehouses, with everyone getting
information from WAIS controlled databases.
Torsten at Omaha
I'll add that when a text editor was translated to German, the question
"Manual Check? (Y/N)" that was asked after a "Substitute Text" command
came out as "Handbuch Controllieren? (J/N)".
Same editor used shortcut commands and "ds" would mean "Document Save" in
the English version. Using the Norwegian version the "ds" sequence would
be interpreted as "Document Delete".
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YuNoHoo
No foolin'! The last one graduated in 1962, so 'less youz a freeze-dried
flower-child into deeja-voux...let it go, let it go, let it go, go, go, go.
This is due to a strange effect called RBS, or Rust Bucket Syndrome. This
effects any vehicle which is not innoculated at an early age and is exposed
to the ravages of a British winter.
Take your next holiday in New Zealand, you would stand a fairly good chance
of seeing a couple driving around.
Derek "I had never seen one either - until I moved here" Tearne
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Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
Note that it did not say "banned" - it said "frowned upon". Hopefully, you
can tell by the context whether a person is serious or just being ridiculous.
Bill
>In article <Bvw3n...@egsner.cirr.com> da...@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>>I was in the UK for two weeks, and didn't see a single Ford Prefect 8^(
>This is due to a strange effect called RBS, or Rust Bucket Syndrome. This
>effects any vehicle which is not innoculated at an early age and is exposed
>to the ravages of a British winter.
Ravages of a British winter - feh! Having just spent a winter in Britain,
all I can say is that if that's a ravaging winter, you guys (and cars) are a
bunch of wimps. No snow to speak of (at least not enough to shovel or ski
on), no Car Killers (salt trucks), just rain and fog. And lots of cars that
would be considered incredibly aged here. Bleah!
Now here in Canada, we make _sure_ our cars turn to rust buckets, but having
vehicles (Car Killers) come out and dump salt on the roads every time a snow
flake touches down. You know what happens when salt water freezes and gets
stuck to the inside of your wheel wells every day? (And then maybe thaws a
little because you have underground parking, or because it's a sunny day)
Paul "Where men are men, and cars are rust buckets after 4 years" Tomblin
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(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
In our innermost soul, we are children and remain so for the rest of our lives
-- Sigmund Freud
hasn't this got something to do with the crap we spread on our roads in
winter? (We use rocksalt, aka 'grit'). There was a story on some driving prog
a few years back that you Kiwis use pumice, or something like that, that
doesn't melt the ice, like grit, but puts a grippy layer on top of it, so you
can drive safely (carefully!). Of course, we'd never get it here, or our cars
might last 20-30 years before rusting to bits, putting all the motor
manufacturers out of business...
The Wisp.
>: > A note to new readers: the weasely :-) symbol is frowned upon
>: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: Actually, I use ":)" which is easier to type, and looks more like a
>: smiley face. Are all such "faces" banned from this newsgroup? Fine with me.
>: It just means that people will have to learn to read the author's intent.
>
>Note that it did not say "banned" - it said "frowned upon". Hopefully, you
>can tell by the context whether a person is serious or just being ridiculous.
Well, dammit, Bones, if you meant " :') is :-( ", why didn't you
just say so?
Jonathan "let's see you shoulder-roll your way out of that one" Quist
>I shot a rocket once. I read AFU.
I never did, but I know someone who swears he knows someone who did.
Warren "I once shot a chicken cannon, though" Burstein
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