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Quadibloc
Oct 18, 2019, 11:33:59 AM10/18/19
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To illustrate a newspaper article discussion of how fast typists can take dictation over the telephone...
the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a computer keyboard.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The-fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match-keyboard-users.html
You'll have to scroll down a bit.
What was wrong with that picture?
John Savard
the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a computer keyboard.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The-fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match-keyboard-users.html
You'll have to scroll down a bit.
What was wrong with that picture?
John Savard
Charlie Gibbs
Oct 18, 2019, 2:04:41 PM10/18/19
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as some of the garbage I've seen since.
As for the use of auto-completion (and -correct) to improve throughput,
I wonder how much this is influencing people's vocabulary. It might
discourage the use of words which aren't in the dictionary used by
the auto-completion algorithm (said dictionary might be deliberately
abridged in the name of space and speed).
But, dictionary or not, people will still talk like B1FF because it's ]<00L.
I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
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Peter Flass
Oct 18, 2019, 2:21:28 PM10/18/19
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Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> To illustrate a newspaper article discussion of how fast typists
>> can take dictation over the telephone...
>>
>> the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a
>> computer keyboard.
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The-fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match-keyboard-users.html
>>
>> You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>>
>> What was wrong with that picture?
>
> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>
> As for the use of auto-completion (and -correct) to improve throughput,
> I wonder how much this is influencing people's vocabulary. It might
> discourage the use of words which aren't in the dictionary used by
> the auto-completion algorithm (said dictionary might be deliberately
> abridged in the name of space and speed).
>
> But, dictionary or not, people will still talk like B1FF because it's ]<00L.
>
> I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>
I typically use my iPad touchscreen keyboard, and usually get several
> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> To illustrate a newspaper article discussion of how fast typists
>> can take dictation over the telephone...
>>
>> the Daily Mail used a stock photo of a woman's hands typing on a
>> computer keyboard.
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7525627/The-fastest-phone-typers-tap-85-words-minute-touchscreens-match-keyboard-users.html
>>
>> You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>>
>> What was wrong with that picture?
>
> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>
> As for the use of auto-completion (and -correct) to improve throughput,
> I wonder how much this is influencing people's vocabulary. It might
> discourage the use of words which aren't in the dictionary used by
> the auto-completion algorithm (said dictionary might be deliberately
> abridged in the name of space and speed).
>
> But, dictionary or not, people will still talk like B1FF because it's ]<00L.
>
> I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>
errors per line - that I notice and correct. Lots of errors still get
thru. I have autocorrect turned off; it’s on on my phone and I get more
errors there because of it.
--
Pete
Quadibloc
Oct 18, 2019, 6:12:20 PM10/18/19
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On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> > What was wrong with that picture?
> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of its
> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> > What was wrong with that picture?
> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
keyboard in terms of tactile feedback or such attributes, but instead that the
computer behind that keyboard was unlikely to be used these days for any serious
purpose.
John Savard
Charlie Gibbs
Oct 18, 2019, 7:59:14 PM10/18/19
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On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>> What was wrong with that picture?
>>
>> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>
> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of its
> keyboard in terms of tactile feedback or such attributes, but instead that
> the computer behind that keyboard was unlikely to be used these days for
> any serious purpose.
You never know. That C64 might be running a terminal emulator
> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>> What was wrong with that picture?
>>
>> You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>> as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>
> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of its
> keyboard in terms of tactile feedback or such attributes, but instead that
> the computer behind that keyboard was unlikely to be used these days for
> any serious purpose.
talking to a Unix supercomputer. :-)
Mike Spencer
Oct 19, 2019, 2:39:00 AM10/19/19
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Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> You never know. That C64 might be running a terminal emulator
> talking to a Unix supercomputer. :-)
accounts and a VMS account until the mid 90s. A friend from MIT
expressed amzement at seeing Emacs running on the already long
obsolete green-text monitor.
--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Oct 19, 2019, 5:30:04 AM10/19/19
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> > On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> > > What was wrong with that picture?
>
> > You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
> > as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>
> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of
Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> > On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> > > What was wrong with that picture?
>
> > You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
> > as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>
> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of
typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
--
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Quadibloc
Oct 19, 2019, 1:11:42 PM10/19/19
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 3:30:04 AM UTC-6, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo was merely
> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I stopped looking before I saw
what you did.
John Savard
Quadibloc
Oct 19, 2019, 1:16:58 PM10/19/19
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typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like those of a piano? Or
the hands are posed to suggest the idea of typing, except that they're typing as
many letters at once as there are fingers?
But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo instead of a
ludicrous one.
John Savard
Bob Eager
Oct 19, 2019, 2:26:28 PM10/19/19
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https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/
--
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
Charlie Gibbs
Oct 19, 2019, 2:47:15 PM10/19/19
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But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad
woman in the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the
thought of a blob of molten solder falling down her cleavage...
Robert Swindells
Oct 19, 2019, 4:26:42 PM10/19/19
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:45:03 +0000, Huge wrote:
> If the Das Keyboards were a bit cheaper, I'd buy one to see if they
> were any good.)
A bit cheaper than DAS keyboards are Filco ones, I'm very happy with
one that I bought recently.
> If the Das Keyboards were a bit cheaper, I'd buy one to see if they
> were any good.)
A bit cheaper than DAS keyboards are Filco ones, I'm very happy with
one that I bought recently.
Bob Eager
Oct 19, 2019, 5:03:46 PM10/19/19
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 18:46:42 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2019-10-19, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:16:56 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 11:11:42 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 3:30:04 AM UTC-6, Ahem A Rivet's
>>>> Shot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>>>>> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
>>>
>>>> Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo
>>>> was merely staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I
>>>> stopped looking before I saw what you did.
>>>
>>> Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone
>>> engaged in typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like
>>> those of a piano? Or the hands are posed to suggest the idea of
>>> typing, except that they're typing as many letters at once as there
>>> are fingers?
>>>
>>> But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo
>>> instead of a ludicrous one.
>>
>> Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
>>
>> https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/
>
> I've loved that photo ever since a friend sent me a copy.
>
> But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad woman in
> the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the thought of a blob of
> molten solder falling down her cleavage...
If I'm doing a lot of soldering or similar, I wear a thick cotton apron...
> On 2019-10-19, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:16:56 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 11:11:42 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 3:30:04 AM UTC-6, Ahem A Rivet's
>>>> Shot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>>>>> typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
>>>
>>>> Given that they used a Commodore 64 as the keyboard, that the photo
>>>> was merely staged, and that clumsily, is hardly surprising. So I
>>>> stopped looking before I saw what you did.
>>>
>>> Looking at the photo again... oh, yes, that obviously is not someone
>>> engaged in typing. Perhaps playing music, with the keys acting like
>>> those of a piano? Or the hands are posed to suggest the idea of
>>> typing, except that they're typing as many letters at once as there
>>> are fingers?
>>>
>>> But without the Commodore 64, that is still just a bad stock photo
>>> instead of a ludicrous one.
>>
>> Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
>>
>> https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/
>
> I've loved that photo ever since a friend sent me a copy.
>
> But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad woman in
> the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the thought of a blob of
> molten solder falling down her cleavage...
J. Clarke
Oct 19, 2019, 6:49:18 PM10/19/19
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it feels every bit as good. Bit noisy for the office though,
otherwise I'd take it in.
Quadibloc
Oct 19, 2019, 6:51:26 PM10/19/19
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> I used to use Unicomps, right now I'm using a Logitech gamer board and
> it feels every bit as good. Bit noisy for the office though,
> otherwise I'd take it in.
Buckling springs make a great typing keyboard. But for gaming, you want a linear
> I used to use Unicomps, right now I'm using a Logitech gamer board and
> it feels every bit as good. Bit noisy for the office though,
> otherwise I'd take it in.
switch instead, which is available by getting one of those mechanical gaming
keyboards with Cherry or ALPS switches. Or at least, so I've heard.
John Savard
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Oct 20, 2019, 2:00:14 AM10/20/19
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On 19 Oct 2019 18:26:25 GMT
photographs are miss the detail that that soldering iron is completely
unsuited for fine work, it appears to have a 1/4" pencil bit. Oh and wot no
earthing strap.
This could be like those kids 'spot the difference' games - 'spot
all the mistakes'.
Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:
> Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
>
> https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/
Thank you I needed a good laugh, the comments on how bad the
> Not as bad as the famous soldering iron.
>
> https://petapixel.com/2016/03/16/need-know-subject-stock-photographer/
photographs are miss the detail that that soldering iron is completely
unsuited for fine work, it appears to have a 1/4" pencil bit. Oh and wot no
earthing strap.
This could be like those kids 'spot the difference' games - 'spot
all the mistakes'.
Gene Wirchenko
Oct 20, 2019, 3:10:06 AM10/20/19
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On 18 Oct 2019 18:04:11 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
[snip]
>I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Holding that tight a grip on your keyboard must really mess with
your typing speed.
I just snarl.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
wrote:
[snip]
>I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
your typing speed.
I just snarl.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Gene Wirchenko
Oct 20, 2019, 3:10:44 AM10/20/19
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On 19 Oct 2019 18:46:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
[snip]
>But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad
>woman in the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the
>thought of a blob of molten solder falling down her cleavage...
Think of the jiggle?
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
wrote:
[snip]
>But scroll farther down the page - you'll find a skimpily-clad
>woman in the same pose. All I could do was shudder at the
>thought of a blob of molten solder falling down her cleavage...
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Kerr-Mudd,John
Oct 20, 2019, 8:51:07 AM10/20/19
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 07:10:03 GMT, Gene Wirchenko <ge...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 18 Oct 2019 18:04:11 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>
On the internet, no-one knows you're a zombie.
> On 18 Oct 2019 18:04:11 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>I'll give up my keyboard when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>
> Holding that tight a grip on your keyboard must really mess with
> your typing speed.
>
> I just snarl.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gene Wirchenko
>
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Jan van den Broek
Oct 22, 2019, 3:51:45 PM10/22/19
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Sun, 20 Oct 2019 06:35:29 +0100
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> schrieb:
[Schnipp]
> This could be like those kids 'spot the difference' games - 'spot
>all the mistakes'.
Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
with two photographs in almost the same settings:
-- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
-- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
country.
--
A tuna is a way of Liff
Jan v/d Broek
balg...@xs4all.nl
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> schrieb:
[Schnipp]
> This could be like those kids 'spot the difference' games - 'spot
>all the mistakes'.
with two photographs in almost the same settings:
-- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
-- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
country.
--
A tuna is a way of Liff
Jan v/d Broek
balg...@xs4all.nl
Jan van den Broek
Oct 22, 2019, 3:51:45 PM10/22/19
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Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:17:56 +0100
nails.
She didn't last long.
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> schrieb:
>On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
>Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> > On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > > What was wrong with that picture?
>>
>> > You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>> > as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>>
>> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of
>
> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
I remember a secretary using a pencil when typing, to avoid breaking her
>Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 12:04:41 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> > On 2019-10-18, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > > What was wrong with that picture?
>>
>> > You mean the Commodore 64? It's probably not as bad a keyboard
>> > as some of the garbage I've seen since.
>>
>> Yes, I meant the Commodore 64. But I was not thinking of the merits of
>
> Here was me thinking the hands were in a terrible position for
>typing and those nails would probably not survive a day of typing.
nails.
She didn't last long.
David Wade
Oct 23, 2019, 6:04:54 AM10/23/19
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and who could still manage around 15 to 20,000 key depressions an hour
with good accuracy. Every thing was double keyed so we knew she was
accurate!
To achieve this she sat low and kept here palms as low as possible. she
was stunning to watch. Of course as is the way of things, she was
promoted to shift leader......
Dave
Jorgen Grahn
Oct 23, 2019, 7:00:17 AM10/23/19
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On Tue, 2019-10-22, Jan van den Broek wrote:
...
different in different countries?
/Jorgen
--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
...
> Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
> with two photographs in almost the same settings:
> -- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
> -- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
>
> The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
> thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
> country.
How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
> with two photographs in almost the same settings:
> -- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
> -- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
>
> The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
> thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
> country.
different in different countries?
/Jorgen
--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
Peter Flass
Oct 23, 2019, 3:15:38 PM10/23/19
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Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-10-22, Jan van den Broek wrote:
> ...
>> Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
>> with two photographs in almost the same settings:
>> -- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
>> -- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
>>
>> The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
>> thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
>> country.
>
> How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
> different in different countries?
Dress differently? Fewer women?
> On Tue, 2019-10-22, Jan van den Broek wrote:
> ...
>> Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
>> with two photographs in almost the same settings:
>> -- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
>> -- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
>>
>> The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
>> thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
>> country.
>
> How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
> different in different countries?
>
> /Jorgen
>
--
Pete
Peter Flass
Oct 23, 2019, 3:15:38 PM10/23/19
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glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
--
Pete
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Oct 23, 2019, 5:05:41 PM10/23/19
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On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.
googlegroups jmfbahciv
Oct 24, 2019, 1:36:20 PM10/24/19
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On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
read the internal memos we typed. I learned a lot about the
manufacturing business and DEC's business, development, and secrets
by doing that "data entry". I also tested the hell out of the
monitor and CUSP software which was a lot of fun. I saved a lot
of embarrassment and customer angst by uncovering and reporting
all the bugs I found. That was fun.
/BAH
Charlie Gibbs
Oct 24, 2019, 2:48:06 PM10/24/19
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On 2019-10-23, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>
> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
Numeric-only keyboards were indeed a lower-cost option.
> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>
> IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
I once saw a perfectly dreadful sci-fi movie titled
_The Brain Machine_. It did have nice shots of a
360/50 machine room, though. But next to the 1052
they had a 2260 with colour CCTV images superimposed
on its screen - and the keyboard was numeric-only,
I suppose the producer wanted to give it a strange,
futuristic look.
> I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
> Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
> typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.
Don Poitras
Oct 24, 2019, 4:04:03 PM10/24/19
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Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2019-10-23, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> >
> >> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
> >> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
> >> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
> >> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
> >
> > IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> > (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
> Numeric-only keyboards were indeed a lower-cost option.
> I once saw a perfectly dreadful sci-fi movie titled
> _The Brain Machine_. It did have nice shots of a
> 360/50 machine room, though. But next to the 1052
> they had a 2260 with colour CCTV images superimposed
> on its screen - and the keyboard was numeric-only,
> I suppose the producer wanted to give it a strange,
> futuristic look.
> > I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
> Nevertheless, thousands of keypunch operators did exactly that.
> > Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
> > typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.
> It's a living, I guess...
My dad was a radio operator in WWII (merchant marines). It wasn't voice, but
> On 2019-10-23, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> >
> >> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
> >> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
> >> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
> >> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
> >
> > IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> > (Some older tab machines were numeric only).
> Numeric-only keyboards were indeed a lower-cost option.
> I once saw a perfectly dreadful sci-fi movie titled
> _The Brain Machine_. It did have nice shots of a
> 360/50 machine room, though. But next to the 1052
> they had a 2260 with colour CCTV images superimposed
> on its screen - and the keyboard was numeric-only,
> I suppose the producer wanted to give it a strange,
> futuristic look.
> > I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
> Nevertheless, thousands of keypunch operators did exactly that.
> > Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
> > typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.
> It's a living, I guess...
morse code. We used to try to get him to tap out our names and such and he'd
say, "I never really learned the letters, all we would tap out was numbers."
The messages were encrypted, so he never knew what he was sending or receiving.
--
Don Poitras
Gene Wirchenko
Oct 24, 2019, 4:52:41 PM10/24/19
to
On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>
>IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
>(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
>
>I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
>On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
>> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
>> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
>> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
>
>IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
>(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
>
>I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
entering at speed except for the occasional times.
>Likewise, there was a job category known as a "statistical
>typist" who typed numbers in charts. Wouldn't want that.
Gene Wirchenko
Jan van den Broek
Oct 25, 2019, 10:52:31 AM10/25/19
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23 Oct 2019 11:00:15 GMT
Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> schrieb:
--
Jan van den Broek
balg...@xs4all.nl 0xAFDAD00D
http://huizen.dds.nl/~balglaas/
Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> schrieb:
>On Tue, 2019-10-22, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>...
>> Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
>> with two photographs in almost the same settings:
>> -- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
>> -- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
>>
>> The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
>> thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
>> country.
>
>How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
>different in different countries?
Mainly etnicity, iirc.
>...
>> Regarding "spot the difference", ten/fifteen years ago, Microsoft had ads
>> with two photographs in almost the same settings:
>> -- Tired, unhappy developers without Visual Studio
>> -- Fresh, happy developers with Visual Studio
>>
>> The differences between those two were easy to spot, but the interesting
>> thing (at least to me) was that the pictures also slightly differed per
>> country.
>
>How did they differ? Ethnicity and stuff, or do happy developers look
>different in different countries?
--
Jan van den Broek
balg...@xs4all.nl 0xAFDAD00D
http://huizen.dds.nl/~balglaas/
googlegroups jmfbahciv
Oct 30, 2019, 2:07:21 PM10/30/19
to
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 4:52:41 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> >
> >> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
> >> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
> >> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
> >> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
> >
> >IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> >(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
> >
> >I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
>
> I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
> data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
> entering at speed except for the occasional times.
the signal from seeing the number to typing it skips the cognitive
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> >
> >> Of course, unlike programmers promoted to management, she may have been
> >> glad to get out. On the other hand I knew people who enjoyed being keypunch
> >> operators - no overtime, usually not much stress, camaraderie, etc. Just
> >> show up and enter a meditative state for a few hours.
> >
> >IBM once made a discounted keypunch with a numeric-only keyboard.
> >(Some older tab machines were numeric only).
> >
> >I can't imagine punching numeric-only all day.
>
> I can. I knew of someone whose job was double-entering numerical
> data all day. She was good. She could carry on a conversation while
> entering at speed except for the occasional times.
part of the brain. I can enter alphanumeric data very fast if I
don't think about it.
/BAH
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Hill Stone
Mar 16, 2023, 1:43:57 AM3/16/23
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середа, 30 жовтня 2019 р. о 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv пише:
Stock photos are a lifesaver for content creators. Often there is simply not enough time and resources to take the required number of photos, and on the stock in one click you can find cool photos on absolutely any topic. Recently, I took sun images here https://depositphotos.com/stock-photos/sun.html and, at the request of the customer, made an quickly post, it turned out great.
maus
Mar 16, 2023, 4:31:51 AM3/16/23
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On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> середа, 30 жовтня 2019 р. о 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv пише:
> середа, 30 жовтня 2019 р. о 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv пише:
/BAH returns?
--
grey...@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?
Jan van den Broek
Mar 16, 2023, 5:15:23 AM3/16/23
to
>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
^^^^
[Schnipp]
>>> /BAH
> /BAH returns?
No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
--
"There's an eyeball in my Martini"
Jan v/d Broek balg...@sdf.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org
^^^^
[Schnipp]
>>> /BAH
> /BAH returns?
No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
--
"There's an eyeball in my Martini"
Jan v/d Broek balg...@sdf.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org
maus
Mar 16, 2023, 5:21:02 AM3/16/23
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On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balg...@sdf.org> wrote:
> 2023-03-16, maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
> ^^^^
>
> [Schnipp]
>
>>>> /BAH
>
>> /BAH returns?
>
> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>
Google groups, more than gmail.
> 2023-03-16, maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
> ^^^^
>
> [Schnipp]
>
>>>> /BAH
>
>> /BAH returns?
>
> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>
D.J.
Mar 16, 2023, 11:41:54 AM3/16/23
to
On 16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT, maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balg...@sdf.org> wrote:
>> 2023-03-16, maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>> ^^^^
>>
>> [Schnipp]
>>
>>>>> /BAH
>>
>>> /BAH returns?
>>
>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>
>
>Google groups, more than gmail.
Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
>On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balg...@sdf.org> wrote:
>> 2023-03-16, maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>> ^^^^
>>
>> [Schnipp]
>>
>>>>> /BAH
>>
>>> /BAH returns?
>>
>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>
>
>Google groups, more than gmail.
holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.
--
Jim
Dennis Boone
Mar 16, 2023, 3:17:42 PM3/16/23
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> Stock photos I saw a few years ago had two soldering pencil iron users
> holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
> pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.
https://www.boredpanda.com/soldering-iron-stock-image-fails/
> holding the heat dissipation grid, not the handle. If the soldering
> pencils had been plugged in, their hands would have been burned.
D.J.
Mar 16, 2023, 6:20:17 PM3/16/23
to
On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:17:30 +0000, d...@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis
Boone) wrote:
Yup, those are the ones.
--
Jim
Boone) wrote:
--
Jim
Peter Flass
Mar 16, 2023, 8:48:17 PM3/16/23
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--
Pete
Peter Flass
Mar 16, 2023, 8:48:18 PM3/16/23
to
--
Pete
Jan van den Broek
Mar 18, 2023, 5:03:54 PM3/18/23
to
16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT
maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balg...@sdf.org> wrote:
>> 2023-03-16, maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>> ^^^^
>>
>> [Schnipp]
>>
>>>>> /BAH
>>
>>> /BAH returns?
>>
>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>
>
>Google groups, more than gmail.
You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.
>On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balg...@sdf.org> wrote:
>> 2023-03-16, maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>> ^^^^
>>
>> [Schnipp]
>>
>>>>> /BAH
>>
>>> /BAH returns?
>>
>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>
>
>Google groups, more than gmail.
Entertaining Quakers since 2005
Sn!pe
Mar 18, 2023, 5:50:10 PM3/18/23
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Jan van den Broek <fort...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[...]
> >> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
> >
> >Google groups, more than gmail.
>
> You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.
A sweeping generalisation, how nice.
--
^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.
<https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>
[...]
> >> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
> >
> >Google groups, more than gmail.
>
> You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.
--
^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.
<https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>
Carlos E.R.
Mar 18, 2023, 7:21:38 PM3/18/23
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On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
--***********
What's up with your clock?
It is this header you put:
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
> 16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT
> maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>> On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balg...@sdf.org> wrote:
>>> 2023-03-16, maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>>> ^^^^
>>>
>>> [Schnipp]
>>>
>>>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>>> /BAH returns?
>>>
>>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>>
>>
>> Google groups, more than gmail.
>
> You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
--***********
What's up with your clock?
It is this header you put:
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
> 16 Mar 2023 09:21:00 GMT
> maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>> On 2023-03-16, Jan van den Broek <balg...@sdf.org> wrote:
>>> 2023-03-16, maus <ma...@mail.com> schrieb:
>>>> On 2023-03-16, Hill Stone <etnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ??????, 30 ?????? 2019??. ? 18:07:21 UTC googlegroups jmfbahciv ????:
>>> ^^^^
>>>
>>> [Schnipp]
>>>
>>>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>>> /BAH returns?
>>>
>>> No, just a gmail-poster digging up old messages.
>>>
>>
>> Google groups, more than gmail.
>
> You're right, although they seem to go hand in hand.
--
Scott Lurndal
Mar 19, 2023, 11:08:53 AM3/19/23
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"Carlos E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid> writes:
>On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>
>--***********
>
>What's up with your clock?
>
>It is this header you put:
>
>Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
That means that the data used to generate that time
>On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>
>--***********
>
>What's up with your clock?
>
>It is this header you put:
>
>Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
had a value of 32400, which probably means the feature
isn't supported by his MUA or his MUA is misconfigured.
$ date --date='@32400'
Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 PST 1970
$
Carlos E.R.
Mar 19, 2023, 4:29:45 PM3/19/23
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On 2023-03-19 18:11, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> headers of posts.
Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
1970, it is visible in the display panel. So I looked inside, and saw:
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Jan van den Broek <fort...@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo
Organization: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Hobby Boeddhisten
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET
Message-ID: <jfi.64162737...@xs4all.nl>
X-No-Ahbou: yes
X-Timestamp: 64162737
X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
X-mas: in 282 days.
X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays.
X-Answer: 42
X-Message-Flag: Your mailbox is corrupt. Upgrade your mail software.
All those are headers he created on purpose.
Lines: 25
Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100
Injection-Info: news.kpn.nl; mail-complaints-to="ab...@kpn.com"
X-Received-Bytes: 2044
Xref: Telcontar.valinor alt.folklore.computers:38089
--
Cheers, Carlos.
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid> writes:
>>> On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>
>>> --***********
>>>
>>> What's up with your clock?
>>>
>>> It is this header you put:
>>>
>>> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>
> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid> writes:
>>> On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>
>>> --***********
>>>
>>> What's up with your clock?
>>>
>>> It is this header you put:
>>>
>>> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>
> headers of posts.
Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
1970, it is visible in the display panel. So I looked inside, and saw:
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Jan van den Broek <fort...@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo
Organization: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Hobby Boeddhisten
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET
Message-ID: <jfi.64162737...@xs4all.nl>
X-No-Ahbou: yes
X-Timestamp: 64162737
X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
X-mas: in 282 days.
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
X-Order: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please.
X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays.
X-Answer: 42
X-Message-Flag: Your mailbox is corrupt. Upgrade your mail software.
All those are headers he created on purpose.
Lines: 25
Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100
Injection-Info: news.kpn.nl; mail-complaints-to="ab...@kpn.com"
X-Received-Bytes: 2044
Xref: Telcontar.valinor alt.folklore.computers:38089
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Andy Burns
Mar 19, 2023, 5:08:52 PM3/19/23
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
>> headers of posts.
>
> Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
> 1970, it is visible in the display panel. So I looked inside, and saw:
>
> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
Indeed, what are you even meant to do with a Reply-By: header on usenet?
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1327#section-5.3.4>
Thankfully its a long time since I had to think about X.400
> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
>> headers of posts.
>
> Not normally, but Thunderbird is saying that the date of those posts is
> 1970, it is visible in the display panel. So I looked inside, and saw:
>
> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1327#section-5.3.4>
Thankfully its a long time since I had to think about X.400
Jan van den Broek
Mar 20, 2023, 3:00:59 AM3/20/23
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2023-03-19, Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> schrieb:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid> writes:
>>>On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>
>>>--***********
>>>
>>>What's up with your clock?
>>>
>>>It is this header you put:
>>>
>>>Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>
>>>On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>
>>>--***********
>>>
>>>What's up with your clock?
>>>
>>>It is this header you put:
>>>
>>>Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>
> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
> headers of posts.
I'm using this header for years (twenty or so), it's is the first time
> headers of posts.
someone mentioned noticing this.
Carlos E.R.
Mar 20, 2023, 5:56:48 AM3/20/23
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On 2023-03-20 08:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
> 2023-03-19, Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> schrieb:
>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid> writes:
>>>> On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --***********
>>>>
>>>> What's up with your clock?
>>>>
>>>> It is this header you put:
>>>>
>>>> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>>
>> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
>> headers of posts.
>
> I'm using this header for years (twenty or so), it's is the first time
> someone mentioned noticing this.
Look at the quote header line above, in which it says «On 1970-01-01
> 2023-03-19, Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> schrieb:
>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:08:51 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid> writes:
>>>> On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --***********
>>>>
>>>> What's up with your clock?
>>>>
>>>> It is this header you put:
>>>>
>>>> Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
>>
>> He might have added that manually. May be to see if anyone looks into
>> headers of posts.
>
> I'm using this header for years (twenty or so), it's is the first time
> someone mentioned noticing this.
01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote». I notice when things break.
This post shows the correct date.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Andy Burns
Mar 20, 2023, 6:04:22 AM3/20/23
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
> This post shows the correct date.
The *DATE:* header shows 2023
> This post shows the correct date.
it's the (more or less spurious) *REPLY-BY:* header that shows 1970
Carlos E.R.
Mar 20, 2023, 6:40:49 AM3/20/23
to
displays the date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's
the problem.
The one that is correct shows:
User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Patched for libcanlock3) (NetBSD)
The incorrect one shows:
X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
Cheers, Carlos.
Andy Burns
Mar 20, 2023, 9:44:59 AM3/20/23
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
> I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts
> displays the date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's
> the problem.
Well, none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)
> I don't understand why Thunderbird, in some of his posts
> displays the date on 1970, despite the date header being current. That's
> the problem.
D.J.
Mar 20, 2023, 11:23:08 AM3/20/23
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Jim
Vir Campestris
Mar 20, 2023, 1:08:42 PM3/20/23
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Jan van den Broek <fort...@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Injudicious Use of Stock Photo
Organization: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Hobby Boeddhisten
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET
Message-ID: <jfi.64162737...@xs4all.nl>
X-No-Ahbou: yes
X-Timestamp: 64162737
Message-ID: <jfi.64162737...@xs4all.nl>
X-No-Ahbou: yes
X-Timestamp: 64162737
X-Newsreader: Jan's fantastische newsreader
X-mas: in 282 days.
Reply-By: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 01:00:00
X-Order: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please.
X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays.
X-Answer: 42
X-Message-Flag: Your mailbox is corrupt. Upgrade your mail software.
Path:
X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist
X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays.
X-Answer: 42
X-Message-Flag: Your mailbox is corrupt. Upgrade your mail software.
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Lines: 25
Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100
Injection-Info: news.kpn.nl; mail-complaints-to="ab...@kpn.com"
X-Received-Bytes: 2044
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Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100
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But I can't see why that one in particular comes out on that date.
I do note it says his time zone is CET which might explain the 01:00.
Andy
Andy Burns
Mar 20, 2023, 1:33:05 PM3/20/23
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Vir Campestris wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)
>
> I see one
<http://andyburns.uk/misc/vandenbroek.png>
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> none of his posts show as 1970 here (even those from before xmas)
>
> I see one
> But I can't see why that one in particular comes out on that date.
> I do note it says his time zone is CET which might explain the 01:00.
do you see more than these 6 messages from him?
> I do note it says his time zone is CET which might explain the 01:00.
<http://andyburns.uk/misc/vandenbroek.png>
Carlos E.R.
Mar 20, 2023, 2:58:21 PM3/20/23
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Dennis Boone
Mar 20, 2023, 6:01:12 PM3/20/23
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> On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
> --***********
> What's up with your clock?
I suspect what's going on here is that some (*cough*tbird*cough*)
> --***********
> What's up with your clock?
software is choking on the time zone spec in his date field. A _strict_
interpretation of RFC2822/5322 doesn't include arbitrary time zone spec
strings. You're allowed +/- four digits, or some military zone spec, or
a short list of mostly US-centric TLAs.
Yes, being that strict would violate the principle of "liberal in what
you accept". Yes, it'd be stupid not to accept common time zone
strings, if not pretty much any zone TLA there. Yes, it's software, and
_most_ of it is stupid in some form or another. But the fact that not
everyone sees this suggests there's a variable like different software
in play.
There _is_ a Reply-By: header defined[1] for use with X.400 systems, but
I'd never heard of it until I did a little searching just now, and I
sincerely hope that news readers aren't abusing its purpose somehow.
De
[1] RFC 2156
Carlos E.R.
Mar 20, 2023, 6:40:31 PM3/20/23
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On 2023-03-20 23:01, Dennis Boone wrote:
> > On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>
> > --***********
>
> > What's up with your clock?
>
> I suspect what's going on here is that some (*cough*tbird*cough*)
> software is choking on the time zone spec in his date field.
> > On 1970-01-01 01:00, Jan van den Broek wrote:
>
> > --***********
>
> > What's up with your clock?
>
> I suspect what's going on here is that some (*cough*tbird*cough*)
> software is choking on the time zone spec in his date field.
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:51 CET
> A _strict_
> interpretation of RFC2822/5322 doesn't include arbitrary time zone spec
> strings. You're allowed +/- four digits, or some military zone spec, or
> a short list of mostly US-centric TLAs.
>
> Yes, being that strict would violate the principle of "liberal in what
> you accept". Yes, it'd be stupid not to accept common time zone
> strings, if not pretty much any zone TLA there. Yes, it's software, and
> _most_ of it is stupid in some form or another. But the fact that not
> everyone sees this suggests there's a variable like different software
> in play.
So it resets to the start of time (zeroes?), not that it uses the
> interpretation of RFC2822/5322 doesn't include arbitrary time zone spec
> strings. You're allowed +/- four digits, or some military zone spec, or
> a short list of mostly US-centric TLAs.
>
> Yes, being that strict would violate the principle of "liberal in what
> you accept". Yes, it'd be stupid not to accept common time zone
> strings, if not pretty much any zone TLA there. Yes, it's software, and
> _most_ of it is stupid in some form or another. But the fact that not
> everyone sees this suggests there's a variable like different software
> in play.
"Reply-By" string. It could also have used:
Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100
> There _is_ a Reply-By: header defined[1] for use with X.400 systems, but
> I'd never heard of it until I did a little searching just now, and I
> sincerely hope that news readers aren't abusing its purpose somehow.
>
> De
>
>
> [1] RFC 2156
--
> I'd never heard of it until I did a little searching just now, and I
> sincerely hope that news readers aren't abusing its purpose somehow.
>
> De
>
>
> [1] RFC 2156
Cheers, Carlos.
Dennis Boone
Mar 20, 2023, 10:47:50 PM3/20/23
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> So it resets to the start of time (zeroes?), not that it uses the
> "Reply-By" string. It could also have used:
More like the parse failed so it never filled it in, probably,
> "Reply-By" string. It could also have used:
but yes.
> Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100
when they set up a quote like that.
De
Carlos E.R.
Mar 20, 2023, 11:10:50 PM3/20/23
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On 2023-03-21 03:47, Dennis Boone wrote:
> > So it resets to the start of time (zeroes?), not that it uses the
> > "Reply-By" string. It could also have used:
>
> More like the parse failed so it never filled it in, probably,
> but yes.
That's what I meant. Fail parse, not filled, so the variable has
> > So it resets to the start of time (zeroes?), not that it uses the
> > "Reply-By" string. It could also have used:
>
> More like the parse failed so it never filled it in, probably,
> but yes.
whatever value it gets on creation as new by whatever compiler they use,
or the programmer set it intentionally to "zero" when the code creates
it. The 1970 date marks variable not filled. Assuming that 1970... the
lowest value it can hold.
>
> > Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 22:03:49 +0100
>
> I doubt many newsreaders go fishing for any field other than Date
> when they set up a quote like that.
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Cheers, Carlos.
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