Women are EVIL
Darkfalz
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> Today, my wife of 14 years walked out on me.
>
> Ive only ever had my wife. I have no friends or support network.
>
> I have no idea how Im going to cope.
Do we need any more proof women are pure EVIL?
That's SICK.
mark
"Darkfalz" <dark...@algo.sys> wrote in message
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What my wife did was horrible and evil. But I can separate the act from the
person. She is not evil. I'm not writing this to provoke a response and I'd
appreciate if you didn't respond as I'm in no state of mind to debate the
matter, just letting you know how I feel at this point of time.
I have had horrible things done to me in equal amounts by both men and
women, I also have done things I regret to both men and women. Once again,
not trying to win an argument just telling you how I see it from my POV.
>
Andre Lieven
> "mark" <H...@HI.com> wrote in message
> news:3c6b5093$0$16639$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Today, my wife of 14 years walked out on me.
>>
>> Ive only ever had my wife. I have no friends or support network.
>>
>> I have no idea how Im going to cope.
Mark, I didn't see your initial post, and you may not be on
tis newsgroup, and I don't have the capability to cross post.
That said, I would suggest several things. First, sleep and food,
don't ignore either. I've been where you are, and it was really
tough, including tough to even sleep and eat regularly. But, you
need to do both.
Next, find some people. Many cities and locales have support groups
for divorce/separation, both virtual and real life ones. I found
that the news group alt.support.divorce was useful to me when I
needed such, along with real life help.
Whihc could include seeing a counselor. See if you can get to
see one, and if they don't work that well with you, don't be
afraid to tell them so, and ask for another one. Not all client/
counselor matches work.
Hang in there, Mark, there are people out there who know what
you're feeling, since many have already been there. But, understand
that where you are now, you don't have to stay there for the rest
of your life. You're in a place where you pay rent, not a mortgage.
> Do we need any more proof women are pure EVIL?
Um... Yeah, we do. One woman doesn't prove or disprove anything
serious about *all* women. lets not make the same error as do the
FemTwits, OK ?
> That's SICK.
Yes, it is. All too often, people do sick things to others. That
part isn't a man or woman thing, its a people thing.
Now, if you raise the issue of which group gets more room to
legally do evil, thats quite another matter...
Andre
--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.
maddman
Mark, you've just met alt.support.shyness's resident troll. Don't
take anything he says too seriously.
Elston Gunn
>
> What my wife did was horrible and evil. But I can separate the act from the
> person. She is not evil. I'm not writing this to provoke a response and I'd
> appreciate if you didn't respond as I'm in no state of mind to debate the
> matter, just letting you know how I feel at this point of time.
>
> I have had horrible things done to me in equal amounts by both men and
> women, I also have done things I regret to both men and women. Once again,
> not trying to win an argument just telling you how I see it from my POV.
I gotta say, it's incredible that you can still remain this
levelheaded and clearminded right after what happened to you. I doubt
I could react the same way. Hope things turn around for you soon,
Mark.
Elston
Harvey @ Home
If you keep on maintaining this unhealthy attitude - you'll be no
use to anyone, including yourself.
Women are not from Venus and men are not from Mars -
we are both from the same planet, and can communicate with each
other, we just need to learn how.
With your unhealthy attitude you're only polarising yourself.
Men are generally regarded as being worse than women, you only need to
look at the disasters and wars that have unfolded throughout human history
to see that.
Women are pussycats in comparison.
Maybe we should let women rule this world, and we'll all be living better
lives? It'll be worth trying, after all the mess that men have been making
over the millenia.
Harvey
In article <3c6c...@news.comindico.com.au>, dark...@algo.sys says...
Wry Bread
Harvey @ Home <kiwi...@paradise.net.notaus> wrote:
> Maybe we should let women rule this world, and we'll all be living better
> lives? It'll be worth trying, after all the mess that men have been making
> over the millenia.
Yeah. That would be a good idea. A bunch of emotionally unstable,
indecisive, PMS afflicted people leading the world. Countries will go to
war because one leader made fun of another's hair. ;)
Harvey @ Home
their ego...
Harvey
In article <3c6f0...@news.nwlink.com>, wryb...@nwlink.REMOVEcom says...
Angilion
Yes, your misogynist statement is sick. So why did you post it?
--
Always remember you're unique.
Just like everyone else. (Anon)
ci
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terry
the matter with us. What I and others would like to hear from you is
what made your relationship so wonderful that it lasted 14 years and why
you think things went wrong that would cause your good wife who gave you
14 precious good years of her life and love to you to feel the only way
out was to leave.
Mark, we are all really all alone. At best we sleep beside someone. No
one person, not even a wife can be everything to any one person. You
say you have no friends or support network. There are people to support
you in this time of need in even the smartest of towns. There is always
a waitress who has had a little hard luck with men and will understand,
allbeit, she might just be a little younger! There are minsters, and
buddies in the bar that can share far worse experiences than yours.
Your ability to cope will come from your understanding that you have a
lot to offer this world - and life is the most precious thing that
anyone has. You have your health, good looks, perhaps employment or the
ability to work, and given a little confidence, the ability to love
agian. What is important to remember is to see evil in others is to see
evil in yourself. Women are as good and as loving as any man, sometimes,
embarrassing for men, even better, but they are never less than we are.
Aldis Ozols
"terry" <Dri...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Most of your posting was good and sensible advice --
but you spoiled it by ending on a sexist note:
> Women are as good and as loving as any man, sometimes,
> embarrassing for men, even better, but they are never less
> than we are.
Any research on crimes committed by women will quickly
reveal that some women, at least, are morally less than
most men -- as are some men. To deny this truth is mere
discrimination.
Bill Wood
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Eve was not evil, she was duped. WOMEN are not evil, though there certainly
are evil women. FEMINISM IS EVIL PERSONIFIED IN THOSE WHO PRACTICE IT!
Feminism is nothing but a FRONT for some of the most radically, culturally
corrosive National Socialist ideas in the history of the world. And just as
the apple was certainly beautiful to behold, as the scriptures say, so is
the packaging of one of the most seditious and evil movements in the history
of the world --, FEMINISM!
Read through some of the quotes below, once WOMEN understand what Feminism
is REALLY about, MOST of them RUN as fast as they can. OUR goal is to
expose and unmask feminism for the evil that it is. Women are wonderful :)
I love my wife and daughter. FEMINISM IS EVIL! It causes nothing but
chaos, confusion, and HATE...
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FEMINISM - HATE GROUPS PROMOTING TERRORISM
When the evidence and the logic are both against you, it is necessary to
claim that evidence and logic are counterrevolutionary props of the status
quo ... facts and rationality, when inconvenient, as they usually are, may
be dismissed as "patriarchal constructions of knowledge" ... Emotion must
be allowed to trump intellect if the whole enterprise is not to be revealed
as the hoax it is. -- From: Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching Towards
Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline, Regan Books/HarperCollins,
NY (pp.193-225)
Feminism Defined (by Bruce Eden of Divorce Reform in New Jersey) - Feminism
is no longer about equal opportunity for women. It is a thuggish, devious
synthesis of Marxism and lesbianism used by ruling elites to undermine
individuals and weaken society. It is to society what AIDS is to the body.
Why is there "an explosion of angry demand on the part of women who as a
group were the freest, healthiest, wealthiest, longest-lived, and most
comfortably situated people the world had yet laid eyes on." -- Midge
Decter, "You're On Your Own, Baby," The Women's Quarterly, Winter 1996, p.4
"Sexual harassment legislation is an instrument by which the micromanagement
of everyday life is being undertaken. The real aim is to change the
relations between men and women in a fundamental way. Why? Who benefits from
this? The only people are those radical extremists who want to disrupt male
and female interactions, and they have done just that in the workplace, the
colleges, the high schools, the grade schools, and even the kindergartens.
Everybody is now on notice." Daphne Patai, Ph.D. Author of Heterophobia:
Sexual Harassment and the Future of Feminism.
"...[W]omen and men are distinct species or races ... men are biologically
inferior to women; male violence is a biological inevitability; to eliminate
it, one must eliminate the species/race itself ... in eliminating the
biologically inferior species/race Man, the new Ubermensch Womon
(prophetically foreshadowed by the lesbian separatist * herself) will have
the earthly dominion that is her true biological destiny. (from a panel on
"Lesbianism as a Personal Politic" that took place in New York City, Lesbian
Pride Week 1977) -- Andrea Dworkin. LETTERS FROM A WAR ZONE. Part III,
TAKE BACK THE DAY. Biological Superiority: The World's Most Dangerous and
Deadly Idea. 1977
Karen DeCrow, former president of the National Organization for Women,
writes:
"If a woman makes a unilateral decision to bring a pregnancy to term,
and the biological father does not, and cannot, share in this decision, he
should not be liable for 21 years of support ... autonomous women making
independent decisions about their lives should not expect men to finance
their choice."
Domestic Violence
"Believing what [feminists] say about family violence is like believing what
the tobacco companies say about cancer... [M]isleading statistics are a
deliberate fund raising tactic for women's shelters. The shelter movement
almost never mentions scientific studies." -- Sam and Bunny Sewell, Family
Resources & Research.
There is a great deal of reckless disregard for the truth in radical
feminism. Some of it is so blatant that it certainly deserves to be called
lying, but some of it appears to reflect the delusions of paranoia. What is
worrisome is that so much serious misrepresentation passes into the realm of
"truth." One might think that misrepresentations about checkable facts could
not survive long in an open society, but they can and do, probably because
the press and the academy are very pro-feminist. When a sensational report
about the amount of domestic violence against women appears, newspapers,
magazines, and even textbooks relay the news, and it quickly becomes
established folklore. The attitudes formed as a result are embedded in the
culture. Yet the facts, for those who care about them, indicate that these
reports are wild exaggerations or flat misrepresentations... For some
people, there can be no surer evidence of a conspiracy than the fact that no
conspiracy is apparent. After all, a really effective conspiracy would be
invisible. Feminists' ideology is a fantasy of persecution. -- From:
Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and
American Decline, Regan Books/HarperCollins, NY (pp.193-225)
NOW apparently ENDORSES Domestic Violence against children. And just in
case you think it is just HOUSTON NOW, think again. This little excerpt
from the article tells the tale of the NATIONAL SUPPORT by NOW.
NOW Rallies to Mother's Defense. Group Says Woman Needs Help, Not Prison,
in Drowning of 5 Children. By Paul Duggan, Washington Post Staff Writer,
Monday, September 3, 2001; Page A03. excerpts below.
"From what we know right now, [Yates's] psychosis is so obvious and her
mental illness is so heart-wrenching that clearly she's entitled to
treatment and not punishment," declared Terry O'Neill, a NOW vice president
in Washington. She said the group's national leadership 'completely
supports' [NOW's Texas state president, Deborah Bell's] efforts, which have
been denounced by victims' rights advocates, media pundits and others."
Dianne Clements, a Rosenthal supporter and head of Justice for All, Texas's
biggest victims' rights organization, reacted angrily to NOW's criticism. "I
don't believe they should be using their political power and prestige to
help a woman who has acknowledged killing five children," Clements said. She
accused NOW of "prejudging" Yates based on liberal ideals before a word of
testimony has been heard.
"They've decided to seek absolution for Andrea Yates," Clements said.
"They've absolutely accepted that she's not responsible for what she did
before they've heard any facts in court. . . . None of us can say why she
killed those children, whether it was because she was psychotic or she was
just plain evil."
"Such a [post-partum depression] defense, however, is not novel," wrote
Dallas lawyer Brenda Barton Neuwirt in the Southern Methodist University Law
Review. In a 1998 article, she recounted successful postpartum psychosis
defenses by a California mother who intentionally ran over her infant with a
car and a New York woman who smothered two of her babies and tried to
smother a third.
She also cited the highly publicized D.C. Superior Court case of LaTrena
Pixley, who pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in 1993 in the
suffocation of her infant daughter. At her sentencing, after a defense
lawyer submitted a psychiatrist's report attributing the crime partly to
postpartum depression, the judge stunned the court by ordering Pixley, then
20, to spend weekends in jail for three years.
Yates's sympathizers tend to lose sight of an important element of the
tragedy.
"You know what I think [Rosenthal, the D.A.] saw when he looked at this
case?" Clements said. "I think he saw the same thing I saw: five beautiful
children, dead."
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NOW Throwing Lifebelt to Mom who Drowned Five Kids. Phil Brennan. Thursday
August 30, 2001. NewsMax.com. Excerpts below.
The National Organization for Women (NOW), which couldn't bring itself to
lend aid and comfort to rape victim Juanita Broaddrick, is going all out to
help a woman who drowned her five children.
According to the ultra-liberal feminist organization, NOW is helping to
raise money for Andrea Yates on the grounds that their involvement might
help raise people's consciousness about post-partum depression.
Now opposes the death penalty except for the victims of the abortion
industry which they vigorously support.
Yates admitted to police that she drowned her children one-by-one in a
bathtub. She revealed that when it came the turn of her oldest child he fled
and she had to chase him down and drag him back to the tub.
Not surprisingly, NOW has been joined by the American Civil Liberties Union
(ACLU), several other women's and health groups and anti-death penalty
organizations in the Andrea Pia Yates Support Coalition.
One reason for their support, observers say, could be that the pro-abortion
NOW may view such child killing as merely retroactive abortion, and
therefore worthy of their support of the killer.
"The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of its infant members
is to kill it" Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, in "Women
and the New Rage," p.67.
In response to a question concerning China's policy of compulsory abortion
after the first child, Molly Yard responded, "I consider the Chinese
government's policy among the most intelligent in the world" Gary Bauer,
"Abetting Coercion in China," The Washington Times", October 10, 1989.
"No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children.
Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice,
precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that
one." -- Interview with Simone de Beauvoir, "Sex, Society, and the Female
Dilemma" Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p.18
[W]omen, like men, should not have to bear children.... The destruction of
the biological family, never envisioned by Freud, will allow the emergence
of new women and men, different from any people who have previously
existed. - Alison Jagger - Political Philosophies of Women's Liberation:
Feminism and Philosophy (Totowa, NJ: Littlefield, Adams & Co. 1977)
FEMINIST "RELIGIOUS" DOGMA AND CREEDS - "[L]ove without marriage is holy,
and that marriage without love is illegitimate... Advocates a free contract
in marriage, and that separation may occur at the will of either "mate".
[D]ivorce shall be made easy. "[M]otherhood" is a mere animal function, and
that even a cat may have kittens; that motherhood has been made too much of
in the past. [She] Advocates with the Socialists that the State has a
superior right to the parents over the nurture, conduct and education of the
children. advocates the "control of births" by artificial measures.
Suggests that any woman may reject motherhood, and any woman with "mother
love" may accept motherhood whether she is married or single. The Feminist
is a man hater, except as she may be able to use him for her purposes. She
claims that man has subjected her to "sex slavery" and "economical
servitude," from which she demands "liberation," so she may be made a "free
woman"... -Benjamin V. Hubbard (Socialism, Feminism, and Suffragism,1915,
pp. 142-144)
"In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from
families and communally raise them" Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and
assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate director
of the school's Center for Research on Woman -- Do I hear YFS and DSS
here??
"The care of children ..is infinitely better left to the best trained
practitioners of both sexes who have chosen it as a vocation...[This] would
further undermine family structure while contributing to the freedom of
women." Kate Millet, Sexual Politics 178-179
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Forty-two amicus curiae, or "friend of the court," briefs were filed on
behalf of "Roe." A "woman's brief" argued, as author Marian Faux summarizes
it, "that even if a fetus were found to be a legal person, a woman still
could not be compelled to nurture it in her body against her will."
Prominent women such as theologian Mary Daly, Barnard College president
Millicent McIntosh, anthropologist Margaret Mead, and former U.S. senator
Maurine B. Neuberger (D-Oregon), all signed it.
"that even if a fetus were found to be a legal person, a woman still could
not be compelled to nurture it in her body against her will."
Consider this statement a moment, put another way, even if a fetus were a
legal person, a woman could not be compelled TO LET IT LIVE (i.e. COMMIT
FIRST DEGREE MURDER). And we wonder why Child Abuse is so high among those
same women that buy into the Feminist party line and do not value marriage,
OR LIFE!!! Was infanticide (child murder) the feminist goal all along??
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"[The unborn victims of violence act] would establish penalties for those
who harm a fetus, either knowingly or unknowingly, while committing a
federal crime-such as bank robbery, kidnapping or terrorism. This bill is
yet another attempt to limit and restrict a woman's right to choose."
N.O.W. September 15, 1999 Legislative update. (Apparently, NOW's version
of "choice" also includes FORCED ABORTIONS during the commission of a crime.
The "choice" is no longer a woman's. According to NOW, If she WANTS the
child, TOO BAD IF IT IS MURDERED DURING A CRIME!)
"My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little
sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the
handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his
stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to shrug. I simply
don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings
were, simply don't matter." -- Marilyn French, in "The Women's Room"
"All men are good for is f&%$ing, and running over with a truck". Statement
made by A University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard
Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the
amount of $600,000. Richard had protested the quote; was dismissed
thereafter on the grounds of harassment; and responded by bringing suit
against the University. 1995 settlement.
"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his
mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." Andrea Dworkin, Ice And Fire.
".[I]n every realm of male expression and action, violence is experienced
and articulated as love and freedom." Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men
Possessing Women.
Women's Liberation . in the short run it's going to cost men a lot of
privilege... Sexism is NOT the fault of women -- kill your fathers, not your
mothers". Robin Morgan, Editor of Ms. Magazine
".[I]f you don't like it, bad luck -- and if you get in my way I'll run you
down." Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia.
9 Feb., 1996.
Even the language of the [feminist] movement mirrors the mood of fascism.
The apocalyptic and hate-filled rhetoric of radical feminists expresses
their eagerness to inflict harm. -- From: Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching
Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline, Regan
Books/HarperCollins, NY (pp.193-225)
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"The [Domestic Violence] law was originally drafted to protect women from
violence in the home. In its present form, it not only runs roughshod over
any due process protections for the men accused, it is also used to
prosecute people, mainly men, for actions which 1) are perceived as
threatening by the alleged (female) victim, and 2) have not yet happened,
but may happen" and "Radical feminists have constructed elaborate
'dangerousness assessment' tests that reduce to gender profiling: Men are
always dangerous, while female malfeasance is rationalized and excused."
"[W]e've done one better than [George Orwell's] "1984." We don't just
prosecute for "thought" crimes. We prosecute based on the thoughts of
someone else."
"[W]omen intent on "giving him a lesson he'll never forget," can use this
law to throw a man out of his own home, take away his legal rights to even
see his children, and set the stage for the financial rape that will follow
by virtue of being in possession of the marital home, kids, and property.
All of this is based on her statement that she has "fear" of him. No claim
of actual violence is required." -- The Massachusetts News, Do Restraining
Orders Cause Domestic Violence? by Mark Charalambous. September 1, 2000.
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Feminist research has an UNETHICAL AND POLITICAL agenda. "The implications
of linking our research agenda with our political agenda and with
intentionality are profound for feminist research. Perhaps the most awkward
rite of passage for all researchers is the ethics approval requirement of
each discipline and/or institution. In order to carry out a research agenda
linked with a political agenda we must examine the institutional barriers to
our enterprise." Sandra Kirby "What do Feminist Methods Have to do with
Ethics?" in Women Changing Academe, (Winnipeg, 1991) p.168. Kirby is now
Chair of Sociology at UW.
Perjury has become the coin of the realm in [Domestic Violence Court].
People's homes are invaded because of lies. People are arrested because of
lies. People go to prison because of lies. People stay in prison because of
lies, and sometimes, bad guys go free because of lies. Lying has become a
significant problem in [Domestic Violence] court cases because the rewards
to [the Lying party] can be so great and the consequences so minimal.
Perjurers are seldom punished; neither are the law enforcement officers who
ignore or accept their lies. -- The damage of lies. By Bill Moushey,
Post-Gazette Staff Writer. November 29, 1998
"If there is one area of the entire [legal] process [Judge Jones] openly
questions, it is the matter of . restraining orders." . "It's a necessary
law, but it's an abused one. I've seen it used too many times as leverage in
divorce cases, not for women in imminent fear of physical danger. One
third of them are not legitimate, merely used as an 'I'll fix you.' Don't
forget, once a [restraining] order is in place, if a defendant violates it,
he's now got a criminal case he's looking at." Retiring Judge Reveals that
Restraining Orders Are Huge Problem. April 2, 2001. The Massachusetts
News
When it comes to the murder of intimates, as criminologist Coramae Richey
Mann documented in her 1996 study of female killers, When Women Kill,
murderesses are seldom helpless angels: 78% of the women in Mann's study had
prior arrest records and 55% a history of violence. Only 59% claimed
self-defense.
"[W]omen report using violence in their relationships more often than men"
and "wives hit their husbands at least as often as husbands hit their
wives." -- Hitting the Wall, (After 20 years of domestic violence research,
scientists can't avoid hard facts), Mother Jones Magazine, Nancy Updike,
May/June 1999 (Mother Jones is a radical feminist / Socialist publication.
Certainly NOT pro-male by any stretch of the imagination)
Isaac Newton's Principia Mathematica is a "rape manual" because "science is
a male rape of female nature"; Beethoven's Ninth Symphony expresses the
"throttling murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release."
(Quotes by Sandra Harding of University of Delaware and Susan McClary, "who
applies feminist theories to music," respectively. Quoted in John Leo, "PC:
Almost dead. Still funny," US. News & World Report, December 5, 1994, p.
24.) -- From: Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern
Liberalism and American Decline, Regan Books/HarperCollins NY
(pp.193-225)
Lenore Walker, speaking at a Laguna Beach conference, as reported in the SF
Chronicle "Our research and most other studies show that wife-battering
occurs in 50 percent of families throughout the nation." The SF Chronicle
comments, "Only the most crazed man-hater could believe that."
Lenore Walker, after visiting one of the early shelters for battered women,
wrote "I was struck by what a beneficial alternative to the nuclear family
this arrangement [communal housing and child raising] was for these women
and children." (p.195) The Battered Woman
"The Violence Against Women Act slipped into law in 1994 without most
members of Congress quite knowing what they were passing. We have Andrea
Dworkin's word on this. Dworkin is surely a contender for the North American
title of most overwrought, man-hating feminist. She told the New Republic at
the time that the only possible explanation for the bill's popularity in the
Senate was the 'senators don't understand the meaning of the legislation
that they pass.' In plain English, she seemed to mean that Congress was
naively institutionalizing the radical view of domestic violence as
antifemale terrorism by a relentless oppressor class - men. -- U. S. News,
page 12, John Leo. January 24, 2000
N.O.W. LEGISLATIVE UPDATE - June 12, 2000; NOW claims that VAWA is Gender
Neutral and that it provides protection for men and children when a simple
reading of VAWA shows that it CLEARLY EXCLUDES help for children and men.
NOW's LDEF (Legal Defense Education Fund) sponsors and helped to WRITE the
VAWA legislation and therefore NOW is AWARE that the language of the bill
**specifically** excludes children and is gender biased. Yet NOW is
KNOWINGLY LYING to the Congress of the United States of America and elicits
help from Congress and the Judiciary to destroy more families and children.
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N.O.W. LEGISLATIVE UPDATE - June 12, 2000
HATCH PROMISES TO BRING VAWA REAUTHORIZATION TO SENATE FLOOR VOTE
http://www.now.org/issues/legislat/06-12-2000.html#hatch_vawa "...it is
important to stress that the Violence Against **WOMEN** Act [emphasis added]
is gender neutral. Funds are available to support programs which assist men
as well as women; if the language in the act were not gender neutral, it
could not meet a Constitutionality challenge." [Obvious "talking point"
propaganda]
"And, any statistics that our opponents may cite that suggest that as many
women as men are batterers are simply inaccurate and cannot be substantiated
by sound scientific research."
A NOW Legislative Alert dated June 12, 2000 FRAUDULENTLY states: ". . . the
Violence Against Women Act is gender neutral. Funds are available to
support programs which assist men as well as women. . . ." and then says ".
. .if the language in the act were not gender neutral, it could not meet a
constitutionality challenge."
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NOW LDEF to Rep. Nancy L. Johnson, October 4, 1999, gender based language is
unconstitutional when it ". . . tie[s] the federal benefits available under
the act to gender . . . violate[s] the equal protection guarantee of the
Fifth Amendment. . . ."
"Further, to the extent that Act targets certain grants to state programs
offering gender-specific benefits, it would operate to encourage states to
violate the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the
Constitution. As recently set out by the U.S. Supreme Court in Saenz v.
Roe, 119 S. Ct. 1518 (1999), Congress cannot authorize states to accomplish
indirectly what Congress itself is constitutionally prohibited from doing."
The VAWAII act specifically states in part "Ineligible activities" include
"projects that focus on "children or men."
ALL HETEROSEXUAL SEX IS RAPE, AND ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS
"Feminism is built on believing women's accounts of sexual use and abuse by
men." -- Catharine MacKinnon
"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of
violence perpetrated against a woman." Catherine MacKinnon
"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French Author, "The
Women's Room" (quoted again in People Magazine) "All men are rapists and
that's all they are ..." --Feminist Marilyn French, People Magazine (Percent
of reported rape or near-rape incidents = .07% [The FBI's Uniform Crime
Report lists for the year 1996])
"[Rape] is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by
which ALL MEN KEEP ALL WOMEN IN A STATE OF FEAR" [emphasis added] -- Susan
Brownmiller (Against Our Will p. 6)
"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape,
originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant
the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of,
or ownership." -- Andrea Dworkin.
"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for
women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin
"Romance is rape embellished with meaningful looks." Andrea Dworkin in the
Philadelphia Inquirer, May 21, 1995..
"Under patriarchy, no woman is safe to live her life, or to love, or to
mother children. Under patriarchy, every woman is a victim, past, present,
and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's daughter is a victim, past,
present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential
betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman,"
Andrea Dworkin, Liberty, p.58..
"One can know everything and still be unable to accept the fact that sex and
murder are fused in the male consciousness, so that the one without the
imminent possibly of the other is unthinkable and impossible." Andrea
Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 21..
"In every century, there are a handful of writers who help the human race to
evolve. Andrea is one of them."--Gloria Steinem
"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant
heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference." -- Susan
Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime"
"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" -- Ti-Grace
Atkinson "Amazon Odyssey" (p. 86)
"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the
patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." -- Sheila Jeffrys
"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not
been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and
desire." -- Robin Morgan, "Theory and Practice: Pornography and Rape" in
"Going to Far," 1974.
"Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have
had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is
our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don't like it, bad luck - and if
you get in my way I'll run you down." -- Letter to the Editor: "Women's Turn
to Dominate" -- Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia -- Herald-Sun, Melbourne,
Australia - 9 February 1996
Toward a Feminist Theory of the State. Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First
Harvard University Press (paperback in 1991) [a legal treatise comparing and
contrasting feminism with COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM]
"It is not only men convicted of rape who believe that the only thing they
did that was different from what men do all the time is get caught."
"If sexuality is central to women's definition and forced sex is central to
sexuality, rape is indigenous, not exceptional, to women's social
condition."
"Under law, rape is a sex crime that is not regarded as a crime when it
looks like sex. The law, speaking generally, defines rape as intercourse
with force or coercion and without consent., Like sexuality under male
supremacy, this definition assumes the sadomasochistic definition of sex:
intercourse with force or coercion can be or become consensual."
"Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a
lot alike....[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape
(abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to
see anything wrong with it." Catherine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff
Sommers, "Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation," Wall Street
Journal, November 7, 1991.
"In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape because
women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent."
Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the
Strange World of Women's Studies, p. 129..
"[Acquaintance rape] is more common than left-handedness, alcoholism and
heart attacks." Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth (in the feminist attempt to
build a case that "one in four" women have been raped in America.)
"Rape is a violent expression of a pattern of male supremacy, an outgrowth
of age-old economic, political and cultural exploitation of women by men."
From a pamphlet entitled "Woman Against Myth," by Betty Millard published in
1948 by CPUSA (the Communist Party of USA.)
"[R]ape represents an extreme behavior, but one that is on a continuum with
normal male behavior within the culture." Prof. Mary Koss of Kent State
University (1982)
"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the
experience." Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life
in Time, June 3, 1991, p. 52..
As cited in Andrea Dworkin's "Right-Wing Women" "...I submit that any
sexual intercourse between a free man and a human being he owns or controls
is rape." -- Alice Walker in "Embracing the Dark and the Light," Essence,
July 1982. (Feminists believe that marriage = ownership).
"Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a
lot alike....[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape
(abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to
see anything wrong with it." Catherine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff
Sommers, "Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation," Wall Street
Journal, November 7, 1991.
"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the
oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing
them." -- Robin Morgan, (editor of MS magazine)
A young woman at the University of Pennsylvania who wore a short skirt
complained of a "mini-rape" because a young man walked past her and said,
"Nice legs." (Camille Paglia and Christine Hoff Sommers, "Has Feminism Gone
Too Far?" Think Tank with Ben Wattenberg, Produced by New River Media,
Washington, DC, November 4, 1994.) At the University of Maryland, some
female students posted the names of male students selected at random, young
men about whom they knew nothing, under the heading "Potential Rapists." The
message was that all men are potential rapists, though the men actually
named probably did not find much comfort in that...
Far more serious are the accusations of actual rape when nothing of the
sort occurred. A female student came to a male student's quarters with her
toothbrush, planning to stay the night. The next morning she was seen
having a peaceable breakfast with the man. Later she charged him with rape
and he was briefly held in jail. (John Leo, "De-escalating the gender war"
U.S. News and World Report, April 18,1994, p.24.) Accusations of date rape
are flung freely by women who consented and later changed their minds about
what they did.
-- From: Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern
Liberalism and American Decline, Regan Books/HarperCollins, NY (pp.193-225)
"Female heterosexuality is not a biological drive or an individual women's
erotic attraction or attachment to another human animal which happens to be
male. Female heterosexuality is a set of social institutions and
practices... Those definitions... are about the oppression and exploitation
of women [by men]." Marilyn Frye, Willful Virgin: Essays in Feminism,
1976-1992 ( Freedom: Crossing Press,1992) p.132
Feminism, Occult and Witchcraft. Is NOW actually the National Organization
of Witches?
".[I]t is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and
not to live individually with men... All of history must be re-written in
terms of oppression of women. We must go back to ancient female religions
like witchcraft" from "The Declaration of Feminism," November 1971.
The whole Feminist cult is rankly atheistical, and they despise the teaching
of St. Paul and of the church. They proclaim the "New Religion" and the
"New Freedom of Women," for by these they are "emancipated" from all moral
and religious restraint. -Benjamin V. Hubbard -- (Socialism, Feminism, and
Suffragism,1915, pp. 142
"Let's forget about the mythical Jesus and look for encouragement, solace
and inspiration from real women... Two thousand years of patriarchal rule
under the shadow of the cross ought to be enough to turn women toward the
feminist 'salvation' of this world" Annie Laurie Gaylor, "Feminist
Salvation," "The Humanist", July/August 1988, p.37
"By the year 2000 we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human
potential, not God" -- Gloria Steinem, editor of 'MS' magazine.
"God is going to change. We women... will change the world so much that He
won't fit anymore." Naomi Goldenberg, Changing of the Gods: Feminism and the
End of Traditional Religions (Quoted at beginning of From Father God to
Mother Earth)
NOW is the time to take back control of our lives. NOW is the time to make
reproductive freedom for wimmin of all classes, cultures, ages and sexual
orientations a reality. NOW is not the time to assimilate to bureaucratic
puppeteers who want to control, degrade, torture, kill and rape our bodies.
NOW is the time to drop a boot heel in the groin of patriarchy. NOW IS THE
TIME TO FIGHT BACK. NO GOD, NO MASTER, NO LAWS. -- Profane Existence,
May/June 1992, p.1. (And rage must be stoked with falsehoods and
irrationality. Try to imagine writing a reasoned statement about bureaucrats
who want to torture, kill, and rape women's bodies. It cannot be done. --
Robert Bork's portrayal of this statement, from Slouching toward Gommorrah)
Issues Tearing Our Nation's Fabric. Chapter 7, Feminism. The Center for
Reclaiming America. Coral Ridge Ministries.
Over the years, feminists have laid claim to a wide range of issues
calculated to portray the victimization of women and the urgency of their
cause. Rape, abuse, domestic violence, problems with discrimination and
self-esteem, and even slavery, are common themes in feminist literature.
Fortunately, none of these is as serious or as widespread as the leaders of
the movement would have us believe.
In her book, Who Stole Feminism?, Christina Hoff Sommers investigates the
campaign of disinformation and distortion being carried on by some in the
movement. Though Sommers is, herself, a feminist, her motivation is to
separate fact from fiction and to help clarify the issues. One of the
statements she examines is the charge that 150,000 women die of anorexia
each year. Both Gloria Steinem and Naomi Wolf helped perpetuate this rumor
in their bestselling books. But on tracing the source of the statistic to
the Anorexia and Bulimia Association, Sommers found that the original report
had stated only that from 100,000 to 200,000 women may suffer from such
conditions; but the number of deaths is closer to 70. Hardly the epidemic
the feminist authors implied.
There are many such examples. Law professor Catherine MacKinnon claimed in a
widely publicized report that half of all women will be victims of rape at
least once in their lives. The original projections from the Bureau of
Justice Statistics, however, say that approximately 8 percent of women will
be victims either of rape or attempted rape at least once in their
lifetime-considerably fewer than half.
[F]eminist leaders are not interested in fair treatment or equal rights
alone; it is apparent they want exceptional privilege enforced by law, and
to get it, large numbers of them have entered the legal professions.
A feminist lawyer, professor of law at Columbia University, and now a
justice of the United States Supreme Court, Ruth Bader Ginsburg has
championed the radical redefinition of the role of women in society,
including the elimination of all laws that grant respect, preference, or
advantages for women. Ginsburg has repeatedly opposed laws from a more
genteel age which, in some states, have made cursing in the presence of
women a misdemeanor, or in another case protected widows from usury and
mistreatment. Her published views on prostitution, homosexuality,
pornography, military service for women, lowering the age of consent for
sexual activity, and many other issues are equally alarming.
These radical views make one wonder what sort of perverse logic is behind
this kind of feminist litigation. Better treatment for women is apparently
not the issue. Their goals are the feminization and subordination of men,
and their tactics are to cry 'victimization' and 'conspiracy.'"
In a 1986 case in which a woman had charged a man with rape, then later
admitted that she had agreed to sex and had cooperated with the accused at
the time, the Supreme Court agreed with the feminist argument that "
'voluntariness' in the sense of consent" is not sufficient grounds to
overturn a conviction for rape. The Court held that material evidence,
including oral statements by the parties, was immaterial if the woman felt
she had been abused.
Conservative, Christian, and anti-feminist organizations need to be alarmed
about the precedents being set by the bizarre rulings of the activist
courts. "The feminists want the battered woman syndrome to free any woman
from conviction of violent crime," warns Phyllis Schlafly. "The feminists
are even pushing the Catherine MacKinnon fantasy that all heterosexual sex
should be considered rape unless an affirmative, sober, explicit verbal
consent can be proved."
In addition to a basic disagreement with the aims of militant feminism, a
majority of American women have repudiated the movement's drift toward
lesbianism, goddess worship, and other sordid practices. Witchcraft, which
most Americans once thought to be dead and gone, has reappeared, revived
primarily by feminists; and even in mainline Protestant denominations there
has been a new movement toward the occult, angel worship, and even demon
worship. The Re-Imagining conference sponsored by feminist organizations
within the National Council of Churches, was one notorious attempt to
enshrine the goddess Sophia as a Christian deity; but events like this have
alerted many women to just how extreme modern feminism has become.
FEMINISM - Roots in Communism
Like Marxism, feminism can explain everything from advertising to religion
by following its single thread, the oppression of women." -- Carol Iannone,
"The Feminist Confusion," Second Thoughts: Former Radicals Look Back at the
Sixties, eds. Peter Collier and David Horowitz (Lanham, MD: Madison Books,
1989), P. 149.
"The Women's Caucus [endorses] marxist-leninist socialist thought". Robin
Morgan. Sisterhood is Powerful, pg 597
"Marxism and Feminism are one, and that one is Marxism" Heidi Hartmann and
Amy Bridges, The unhappy marriage of Marxism and Feminism. -- opening page
of Chapter 1, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State. Catharine A.
MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University Press (paperback in 1991) [a legal
treatise comparing and contrasting feminism with COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM])
"Sexuality is to feminism what work is to Marxism." -- Toward a Feminist
Theory of the State. Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University
Press. Page 3.
Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and
Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism. -- Toward a Feminist
Theory of the State. Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University
Press. Page 10.
Catherine A. MacKinnon is a University of Michigan FEMINIST LAW PROFESSOR!!
Do you think "her" lawyers are learning Republican government OR are they
learning Communism?
"When I was in college it was the McCarthy era and that made me a
Marxist." -- Gloria Steinem. Outrageous Acts and Everyday Rebellions, Holt,
Rinehart & Winston, New York, 1983.
"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society
being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible,
thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money
system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex." Valerie
Solana, SCUM Manifesto (Society for Cutting Up Men.) This is CLEARLY
SEDITIOUS AND TREASONOUS
'...Women's liberation, if not the most extreme then certainly the most
influential neo-Marxist movement in America, has done to the American home
what communism did to the Russian economy, and most of the ruin is
irreversible. By defining between men and women in terms of power and
competition instead of reciprocity and cooperation, the movement tore apart
the most basic and fragile contract in human society, the unit from which
all other social institutions draw their strength.' -- Harvard Professor
Ruth Wisse.
"Feminism is the intellectual organization of gender hatred, just as Marxism
was the intellectual organization of class hatred. Feminism's business is
fashioning weapons to be used against men in society, education, politics,
law and divorce court. The feminist aim is to overthrow "patriarchal
tyranny." In this undertaking, the male's civil rights count for no more
than those of the bourgeoisie in Soviet Russia or the Jews in National
Socialist Germany." -- What civil rights has wrought. Paul Craig Roberts,
July 26, 2000. Townhall.com - Creators Syndicate.
.[ M]odern feminism is a direct outgrowth of American Communism. Communists
pioneered the political, economic and cultural analysis of woman´s
oppression. Communists pioneered women´s studies, and advocated public
daycare, birth control, abortion and even children´s rights. It is hard to
escape the conclusion that feminism is Communism by another name. Having
failed to peddle class war, Communism morphed into a movement dedicated to
gaining power by promoting gender conflict. The "diversity" and
"multicultural" movements represent feminism´s attempt to forge
"allegiances" by empowering gays and "people of color." Thus, the original
CPUSA (Communist Party USA - CPUSA) trio of "race, gender and class" is very
much intact but class conflict has never been a big seller. Feminists wish
to destroy a Western Civilization that is dominated by white men who believe
in genuine diversity (pluralism), individual liberty and equal opportunity
(but not equal outcomes). Many feminists are embarrassed to discover they
are Communist dupes. They try to point out the differences between
themselves and Marxists but these differences are matters of emphasis. Their
embarrassment, however, is nothing compared to ours when we acknowledge that
we have been subverted. They have taken over our minds. Feminists dominate
the mass media and the education systems (both primary and secondary) and
use these for indoctrination. They have great power in the legal system,
many parts of government, and are currently subverting the military. The
evidence is everywhere. The term "politically correct" originated in the
Communist Party in Russia in the 1920´s. We use it everyday to refer to
adherence to feminist dogma. Communism is alive and well and living under
an assumed name. -- American Communism And The Making Of Women´s Liberation.
Henry Makow Ph.D. Too Good Reports. October 3, 2001
"Our culture, including all that we are taught in schools and universities,
is so infused with patriarchal thinking that it must be torn up root and
branch if genuine change is to occur. Everything must go - even the
allegedly universal disciplines of logic, mathematics, and science, and the
intellectual values of objectivity, clarity, and precision on which the
former depend." A quote from Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge, "Professing
Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies" (New
York, Basic Books, 1994), p. 116
Women's lib is a "ladies" auxiliary of the radical left. The hard core
embraces Marxism, although Gloria Steinem will admit only to being
socialist. Prime purposes of feminism are to establish a lesbian-socialist
republic and to dismantle the family unit. -- The Declaration of Feminism
or The Document
"The cultural institutions which embody and enforce those interlocked
aberrations--for instance, law, art, religion, nation-states, the family,
tribe, or commune based on father-right--these institutions are real and
they must be destroyed." Andrea Dworkin. OUR BLOOD: PROPHECIES AND
DISCOURSES ON SEXUAL POLITICS. From Chapter 9, "The Root Cause". As
delivered at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, September
26, 1975. [THIS COMMENTARY IS CLEARLY SUBVERSIVE AND DESIGNED TO UNDERMINE
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!]
Overthrowing capitalism is too small for us. We must overthrow the whole...
patriarchy -- Gloria Steinem, radical feminist leader, editor of 'MS'
magazine.
"Radical feminism is the most destructive and fanatical movement to come
down to us from the Sixties. This is a revolutionary, not a reformist,
movement, and it is meeting with considerable success. Totalitarian in
spirit, it is deeply antagonistic to traditional Western culture and
proposes the complete restructuring of society, morality, and human
ature." -- From: Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern
Liberalism and American Decline, Regan Books/HarperCollins, NY (pp.193-225)
"Like Marxism, feminism can explain everything from advertising to religion
by following its single thread, the oppression of women." -- Carol Iannone,
"The Feminist Confusion," Second Thoughts: Former Radicals Look Back at the
Sixties, eds. Peter Collier and David Horowitz (Lanham, MD: Madison Books,
1989), P. 149.
"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc, that are
common to all states of society.
But communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all
morality" -- Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. The Manifesto of the Communist
Party. pg 34
DESTRUCTION OF THE FAMILY
"Destroy the family," as Lenin said, "and you destroy society." Thereby he
merely repeated what Socrates had said before and what Friedrich Engels and
Karl Marx put into words. Lenin set out to do just that, hoping that a new
society -- with the State as the ultimate father -- could be constructed.
"How will the family unit be destroyed? ... the demand alone will throw the
whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin
establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight
collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become
economically independent, either through a job or welfare." -- From Female
Liberation by Roxanne Dunbar.
"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of
living together. ... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families
now is an objectively revolutionary process. ... "Families have supported
oppression by separating people into small, isolated units, unable to join
together to fight for common interests. ... -- Functions of the Family,
Linda Gordon, WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969.
"Feminists have long criticized marriage as a place of oppression, danger,
and drudgery for women." -- From article, "Is Marriage the Answer?" by
Barbara Findlen, Ms magazine, May-June, 1995
"[The nuclear family is] a cornerstone of woman's oppression: it enforces
women's dependence on men, it enforces heterosexuality and it imposes the
prevailing masculine and feminine character structures on the next
generation." -- Alison Jagger, Feminist Politics and Human Nature
"The first class opposition that appears in history coincides with the
development of the antagonism between man and woman in monogamous marriage,
and the first class oppression coincides with that of the female sex by the
male." [Frederick Engels, The Origins of the Family, Private Property and
the State (New York, International Publishers,1942) p.58]
"The first condition of the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole
female sex back into public industry, and this in turn demands the abolition
of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society." [Engels, p.67]
Patricia Ireland of NOW has referred to the Congress of the United States
of America as "twisted" for supporting such notions as marriage and family
in a publication titled "Father's Count Act will hurt Women and Kids",
January 28, 2000, by Patricia Ireland
*N* *O* *W* Action Alert -- October 20, 1999 -- Fathers' Rights Bill
Advances in the House. This Action alert explains that the Father's Rights
legislation before Congress is "bad for women and children" because it will
"promote marriage" and "disseminat[e] information about the advantages of
marriage", "promote successful parenting" and "disseminat[e] information
about good parenting practices", and "help fathers and their families ...
leave ... welfare". A plain reading of the Action Alert shows that when
read in full context NOW will do ANYTHING to destroy marriages, families,
and even children.
From Sisterhood Is Powerful, Robin Morgan (ed), 1970, p. 537: We can't
destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.
"The Feminists -v- The Marriage License Bureau of the State of New
York...All the discriminatory practices against women are patterned and
rationalized by this slavery-like practice. We can't destroy the inequities
between men and women until we destroy marriage." -- From Sisterhood Is
Powerful, Morgan (ed), 1970 p. 537.
"Families make possible the super-exploitation of women by training them to
look upon their work outside the home as peripheral to their 'true' role. --
(Andrea Dworkin)
"Marriage has existed for the benefit of men; and has been a legally
sanctioned method of control over women... We must work to destroy it. The
end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the
liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to
leave their husbands and not to live individually with men" from "The
Declaration of Feminism," November 1971.
... No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her
special responsibilities to her children. ... Families will be finally
destroyed only when a revolutionary social and economic organization permits
people's needs for love and security to be met in ways that do not impose
divisions of labor, or any external roles, at all." -- Functions of the
Family, Linda Gordon, WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969.
"Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession... The choice to serve and
be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a choice that
shouldn't be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that" Vivian
Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, "The Daily Illini," April
25, 1981.
The belief that married-couple families are superior is probably the most
pervasive prejudice in the Western world. -- Judith Stacey
"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's
movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women
cannot be won without the abolition of marriage" -- Sheila Cronan
The little nuclear family is a paradigm that just doesn't work -- Toni
Morrison
"[M]ost mother-women give up whatever ghost of a unique and human self they
may have when they 'marry' and raise children." -- From Phyllis Chesler,
Women and Madness, p. 294
Barbara Ehrenreich, as quoted by Stephen Chapman, from Time -- Ms.
Ehrenreich extols the "long and honorable tradition of 'anti-family'
thought," waxing nostalgic for those early feminists who regarded marriage
as just another version of prostitution. This deeply defective institution
"can hardly be the moral foundation of everything else," she argues, pining
for the day when "someone invents a sustainable alternative."
Barbara Ehrenreich in Time: Only with the occasional celebrity crime do we
allow ourselves to think the nearly unthinkable: that the family may not be
the ideal and perfect living arrangement after all that it can be a nest of
pathology and a cradle of gruesome violence,... Even in the ostensibly
"functional," nonviolent family, where no one is killed or maimed, feelings
are routinely bruised and often twisted out of shape. There is the slap or
the put-down that violates a child's shaky sense of self, the cold,
distracted stare that drives a spouse to tears, the little digs and
rivalries...
Miscellaneous Quotes of Interest
"Only when manhood is dead - and it will perish when ravaged femininity no
longer sustains it - only then will we know what it is to be free. --Andrea
Dworkin. "The Root Cause," speech, 26 Sept. 1975, at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology, Cambridge (published in Our Blood, ch. 9, 1976).
"The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a
lesbian to be fully feminist" ('National NOW Times, Jan.1988).
"WITCH was ... the striking arm of the women's Women's Liberation Movement
... WITCH [stands for] Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from
Hell". (pg 604) Morgan claims that "witchcraft was the pagan religion of all
of Europe for centuries prior to the rise of Christianity". (pg 607) "Our
sabotage has ranged from witches research into herbal poisons ..." (pg
xiiv) -- Robin Morgan. Sisterhood is Powerful.
"In one sense the right is right...to accuse the gay and lesbian rights
movement of threatening homogenization....if gay and lesbian liberationists
ever achieve full equality, they will do away with the social need for the
hetero/homo division. The secret of the most moderate, mainstream gay and
lesbian civil rights movement is its radically transformative promise (or
threat, depending on your values)." Gay historian, Jonathan Katz, The
Invention of Heterosexuality, 1995, p.188.
"[W]omen encountering feminism are frequently told they should become
lesbian, an assertion that runs from the subtle to the blatant ... For many
of today's feminists, lesbianism is far more than a sexual orientation or
even a preference. It is, as students in many colleges learn, 'an
ideological, political, and philosophical means of liberation of all women
from heterosexual tyranny.'" The AntiPhallic Campaign in Rene Denfeld, The
New Victorians p.45
"So long as feminism remains institutionalized it will purvey coercion.
Feminists may be beyond rational persuasion. . . But they are in the end
asking women to make themselves unattractive to men, and to forego love and
children. Feminism will be forgotten, commanding only the loyalty of barren
women whose genetic lines are running to extinction." -- Michael Levin,
Professor of Philosophy, City College of New York in Feminism and Freedom,
p.306
"It is true, as Professor Goldberg points out, that all the claims so glibly
made about societies ruled by women are nonsense. We have no reason to
believe that they ever existed.... Men have always been the leaders in
public affairs and the final authorities at home." -- Feminism Against
Science, National Review, November 18,1991, p.30.
"Just as the end goal of socialist revolution was not only the elimination
of the economic class privilege but of the economic class distinction
itself, so the end goal of feminist revolution must be, ... not just the
elimination of the male privilege, but of the sex distinction itself;
genital differences between human beings would no longer matter culturally."
[Shulamith Firestone, The Dialectic of Sex (New York: Bantam Books, 1972)
pp.10-11.]
"Heterosexual hegemony ... is being simultaneously eroded and reconstructed.
...The forms of sexuality considered natural have been socially created and
can therefore be socially transformed." (219) "New social policies would
focus on transforming social relations and would be based on empowering of
lesbians, gay men, sex-trade workers, women and people of colour." (emphasis
added, 229) "The Regulation of Desire: Sexuality in Canada" by Gary Kinsman,
Black Rose Books, 1987
It is not true that there are two sexes which are discrete and opposite,
which are polar, which unite naturally and self-evidently into a harmonious
whole -- Andrea Dworkin. OUR BLOOD: PROPHECIES AND DISCOURSES ON SEXUAL
POLITICS. From Chapter 9, "The Root Cause". As delivered at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, September 26, 1975.
"Heterosexuality like motherhood, needs to be recognized and studied as a
political institution. . .the model for every other form of exploitation."
Adrienne Rich, "Compulsory Heterosexuality and Lesbian Existence," Signs:
Journal of Women in Culture and Society, 5 No.4 (1980) 637
"Heterosexuality is a die-hard custom through which male-supremacist
institutions insure their own perpetuity and control over us. Women are
kept, maintained and contained through terror, violence, and the spray of
semen...[Lesbianism is] an ideological, political and philosophical means of
liberation of all women from heterosexual tyranny... " Cheryl Clarke,
"Lesbianism, An Act of Resistance," in This Bridge Called My Back: Writing
by Radical Women of Color, ed. Cherrie Moraga (Women of Color Press,1983),
pp.128-137.
"The opposite of heterosexual desire is the eroticising of sameness, a
sameness of power, equality and mutuality. It is homosexual desire." Sheila
Jeffreys, Anticlimax: A Feminist Perspective on the Sexual Revolution
(London: Women's Press,1990) p.300
"There are people in Europe who, confounding together the different
characteristics of the sexes, would make man and woman into beings not only
equal but alike. They would give to both the same functions, impose on both
the same duties, and grant to both the same rights; they would mix them in
all things - their occupations, their pleasures, their business. It may
readily be conceived that by thus attempting to make one sex equal to the
other, both are degraded, and from so preposterous a medley of the works of
nature nothing could ever result but weak men and disorderly women." -- Alex
de Tocqueville. Democracy in America, Vol. 2, Ch. XII, "How The Americans
Understand The Equality Of The Sexes," 1840
"The House has become a three-ring circus, but the clowns aren't funny and
the new ringmaster seems distracted." Washington, DECEMBER 14, 1998 1:49
PM - PRESS RELEASE - Statement of NOW Executive Vice-president Kim Gandy
Urging Women to Lobby Against Impeachment .
"Feminism rode into our cultural life on the coattails of the New Left but
by now it certainly deserves its own place in the halls of intellectual
barbarisms." -- Carol Iannone, The Feminist Confusion, Second Thoughts:
Former Radicals Look Back at the Sixties. Lanham, MD, Madison Books, 1989,
p. 153.
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Margaret Mead, a leading female anthropologist stated "[i]t is true . . .
that all claims so glibly made about societies ruled by women are nonsense.
We have no reason to believe that they ever existed. . . . Men have always
been the leaders in public affairs, and the final authorities at home." -- Q
uoted in Goldberg, Utopian Yearning versus Scientific Curiosity, p. 31
Mead also states, "[n]owhere do I suggest that I have found any material
which disproves the existence of sex differences." -- Goldberg, The
Inevitability of Patriarchy, p. 44.
In Epstein, Inevitabilities of Prejudice, p. 12. Deceptively, Epstein
implies that Mead did not believe in the universality of patriarchy and sex
differences. She stated that while Mead's work on complete sex role
changeability had been questioned, these criticisms are not of sufficient
merit. She does not point out that Mead sided with Goldberg and did not
believe that her research demonstrated non-universality at all. For a
similar erroneous treatment of Mead's work from an evangelical perspective,
see Winston Johnson, Gender, Society, and Church, in Gender Matters:
Women's Studies in the Christian Community, ed. June Steffensen Hagen (Grand
Rapids, MI: Zondervan/Academie, 1990), p. 228. Although Mead could be
inconsistent (see Davidson, The Failure of Feminism, p. 361) her statements
regarding gender differences are fairly representative of other leading
anthropologists as well, such as George P. Murdock (e.g., Atlas of World
Cultures [Pittsburgh, PA: University of Pittsburgh Press, 1981] and Social
Structure [New York: Free Press, 1965]) and Stephens (The Family in
Cross-Cultural Perspective).
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Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline. Robert
H. Bork (1996). Regan Books/HarperCollins NY (pp.193-225)
Many people suppose that feminism today is a continuation of the reform
movement of the past. They occasionally notice a ranting Bella Abzug or an
icy Gloria Steinem but imagine them to be merely the froth of extremism on
an otherwise sensible movement. That is not the case; the extremists are
the movement. What the moderate academic feminists Daphne Patai and Noretta
Koertge write about radical feminism in the universities is true of the
movement as a whole. Today's radical feminism is "not merely about equal
rights for women.... Feminism aspires to be much more than this. It bids to
be a totalizing scheme resting on a grand theory, one that is as
all-inclusive as Marxism, as assured of its ability to unmask hidden
meanings as Freudian psychology, and as fervent in its condemnation of
apostates as evangelical fundamentalism. Feminist theory provides a
doctrine of original sin: The world's evils originate in male supremacy."
(Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge, Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales
from the Strange World of Women's Studies (New York, Basic Books, 1994), P.
183)...
"The gender perspective of radical feminism ... attacks not only men
but the institution of the family, it is hostile to traditional religion, it
demands quotas in every field for women, and it engages in serious
misrepresentations of facts. Worst of all, it inflicts great damage on
persons and essential institutions in a reckless attempt to remake human
beings and create a world that can never exist."
Perhaps the first thing to point out, however, is that radical feminism
in its largest aspirations is doomed to failure. That makes the harms it
inflicts on people and institutions in pursuit of its unattainable ends all
the more inexcusable. Radical feminism shares the most destructive idea in
the original draft of the Port Huron Statement: human nature is infinitely
malleable and hence infinitely perfectible. This idea, encrypted in the
substitution of "gender" for "sex," is essential to the feminist enterprise
of removing all differences between men and women in the roles they play in
society. If certain talents are predominantly male and others predominantly
female by nature, that enterprise is defeated. Hence, feminists insist that
the differing roles of the sexes have nothing to do with biology. What a
society's culture can construct, it can deconstruct. Culture is everything
and Culture can be changed so that all male-female differences, other than
in their reproductive organs, will disappear. Women will then appear in
every profession and occupation in proportion to their representation in the
population at large. The statistical imbalances we see today are merely the
results of conditioning and discrimination.
Even if this feminist contention were correct, its totalitarian
implications are obvious. Culture is a stubborn opponent. To defeat it
requires the coercion of humans. The Soviet Union attempted to create the
New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for
seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture. The
feminists are having a similarly corrupting effect on our culture with only
the weapon of moral intimidation. The contention that underneath their
cultural conditioning men and women are identical is absurd to anyone not
blinded by ideological fantasy.
The early kibbutz movement in Israel had the same ideology as today's
radical feminists: sexual equality meant sexual identity, and sexual
differentiation was inequality. For a brief period, the ideologues
attempted to raise children apart from their families and to raise boys and
girls in ways that would destroy sex roles. The program was as extreme as
the most radical feminist could want. But it collapsed within a very few
years. Boys and girls returned to different sex roles. The American
sociologist Melford Spiro, who studied the kibbutz, wrote that he had wanted
to "observe the influence of culture on human nature or, more accurately, to
discover how a new culture produces a new human nature." He "found (against
my own intentions) that I was observing the influence of human nature on
culture." (Melford E. Spiro, Gender and Culture: kibbutz women revisited
(Durham, NC: Duke University Press, 1979), P. 106.)
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Silencing Sommers. Clinton holdovers have their way with HHS. National
Review Online. Stanley Kurtz, December 5, 2001 (Christina Hoff Sommers, a
resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute has done extensive
scholarly research proving the FRAUD of millions, possibly HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS of dollars for feminist programs and schemes funded by US
TAXPAYERS!)
"Sommers was delivering an invited speech at a conference on "Boy Talk" (a
program sponsored by the Center for Substance Abuse and Prevention (CSAP) of
the Department of Health and Human Services) when CSAP official Linda Bass
summarily interrupted, and commanded Sommers to end her talk. Minutes later,
as Sommers was forced by a hostile crowd to defend her claim that scientific
studies ought to be used to help evaluate the effectiveness of government
drug-prevention programs, Professor Jay Wade, of Fordham University's
Department of Psychology - an expert on "listening skills" - ordered Sommers
to "shut the f*ck up, bitch," to the laughter of the others in attendance."
"[HHS claims that Sommers was "over her alotted time but the] tape makes it
clear that Linda Bass, the HHS official who shut Sommers off, said nothing
at all about Sommers's time being up. Bass simply insisted that any
discussion of "Girl Power" was out of bounds - although it would seem to be
impossible to properly evaluate a proposal to create a "Boy Talk"
counterpart to "Girl Power" without considering the effectiveness of the
Girl Power program itself.
So what exactly is "Girl Power," and why were HHS officials so determined to
prevent anyone from raising questions about it? The Girl Power program was a
cornerstone of Clinton HHS secretary Donna Shalala's pro-androgyny feminist
agenda, and a favorite of Hillary Clinton's. It's obvious from the
transcript that the officials who run "Girl Power" were unwilling to allow
any questions about the efficacy of the program to be raised. Sommers's
daring to imply that overcoming femininity in girls and masculinity in boys
might not be the most effective way to fight teenage drug abuse is the real
reason she was put upon and effectively ejected by this crowd of HHS
consultants and administrators.
The highly questionable premise of the Girl Power program is that making
girls less traditionally feminine will somehow cause them to be less likely
to smoke, take drugs, or get pregnant. Of course, most people would expect
the opposite effect. Isn't it precisely because girls are nowadays less
bound by traditional codes of feminine behavior that we are seeing increases
in smoking, drug-taking, and premarital sex among girls? Given the
exceedingly debatable assumption upon which it rests, Christina Hoff Sommers
can certainly be forgiven for asking to see some empirical research
confirming that the Girl Power program actually succeeds in reducing
substance abuse by making girls less traditionally feminine.
But of course it would be naive to think that reducing drug abuse is the
real purpose of either the Girl Power or Boy Talk programs. A careful
reading of the reams of slick, expensive pamphlets put out by HHS under the
heading of Girl Power makes it clear that the problem of drug abuse is just
a convenient bureaucratic excuse for housing these programs in the Center
for Substance Abuse and Prevention division of HHS. The obvious purpose of
Girl Power and Boy Talk is feminist social engineering.
The truth is, Health and Human Services' Girl Power and Boy Talk programs
are simply government-funded attempts to promote the training for sexual
androgyny mandated by feminist Carol Gilligan and her followers. Studies by
Gilligan, and such groups as the American Association of University women -
studies that describe alleged "crises" of sexual identity among American
girls and boys - are the only "evidence" that HHS officials will allow to be
invoked in assessments of these programs. Of course, in a series of
brilliant studies, psychologist Judith Kleinfeld - as well as Sommers
herself, in her extraordinary book, The War Against Boys - have already
thoroughly debunked Gilligan's notion of a "girl crisis." That is why
Sommers was cut off by HHS officials as soon as she was about to raise
questions about the shaky empirical foundations of the Girl Power and Boy
Talk programs.
Do Girl Power and Boy Talk really reduce teen drug use? It doesn't matter.
Is there really a "girl crisis" or a "boy crisis?" It doesn't matter.
Ultimately, the Clinton holdovers at HHS aren't interested in these
questions, because the real rationale for their pet programs never really
had anything to do with teen substance abuse - or even educational
competence - to begin with. All of these rationales are simply bureaucratic
window dressing for channeling literally millions of government dollars into
a misguided and chimerical attempt to break American girls of their
femininity and American boys of their masculinity. Christina Hoff Sommers
understood this, and that is why she was silenced, insulted, and ejected
from a conference before she could speak the truth. Will the Bush
administration acquiesce in this outrage?
NOW and Feminist Promotion of MARRIAGE HATRED - ENCOURAGES CHILD ABUSE!
this heading shouldn't shock ANYONE - after all, they are the "abortion
queens" and promote domestic violence against children - let's not forget
Houston NOW's support of Andrea Yates as a victim while ignoring FIVE
MURDERED CHILDREN!!
"While in most instances adolescents from recently disrupted household were
more negatively affected by their parents' divorce, some findings did
identify long-term effects of earlier disruption. Adolescent girls who had
experienced parental divorce when they were younger than six or between six
and nine years old reported becoming involved with alcohol or drugs in
proportions higher than did girls from intact families. Adolescent girls
whose experience of divorce occurred before they were six more frequently
reported skipping school than did girls from intact families or girls whose
parents divorced when they were between the ages of six and nine."
"These findings underscore the vulnerability of adolescents whose parents
have divorced within the last five years. The impact of the marital
disruption was most pronounced among girls, who skipped school more
frequently, reported more depress behavior, and described social support in
more negative terms than did boys from recently disrupted homes."
The Effects of Marital Disruption on Adolescents: Time as a Dynamic A.
Frost, PhD; B. Pakiz, EdM, American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 60(4),
October, 1990
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Cutting Off Children's Noses to Spite Men's Faces -- By Armin Brott -
Knight-Ridder
The National Organization for Women (NOW) has finally done it. By vehemently
opposing a piece of legislation that promotes marriage, successful
parenting, and keeping families off welfare, the radical women's group has
clearly demonstrated that it has outlived its usefulness and that it's doing
more harm to women and children than good.
At issue is the Fatherhood Counts Act of 1999, which would give $150 million
in grants over five years to public and private organizations that will
provide poor under- and unemployed fathers with parenting and
marital-skills training, special visitation centers, classes on money
management, help improving their credit records, and job training so they
can meet child support obligations. As a result, the bill would enable
millions of low-income parents and their children to get off welfare and
could potentially save Federal and state governments billions in social
services expenditures.
Sounds like something women's groups would support. After all, wouldn't most
women want men to take some parenting and relationship-skills classes? And
wouldn't it be good for women if men could get decent jobs, support their
families, and spend more time with their kids? Well, apparently that's not
good enough for NOW, which last week fired off an "Action Alert," warning
its members that the Act is "bad for women and children" and urging them to
lobby against it.
What's so objectionable about Fatherhood Counts? In written testimony
submitted to Congress, NOW's Legal Defense and Education Fund claimed that
the Act is unconstitutional because it ties "federal benefits available
under the Act to gender (i.e., 'fatherhood')." Who are they kidding? Where
are NOW's constitutional objections to the billions of dollars (including
over $1 million to NOW itself) that women's groups receive under the
Violence Against Women Act? And where are the objections to the millions of
dollars that fund federal, state, and local Commissions on the Status of
Women? Commissions on the Status of Men do not exist.
NOW complains that the bill allows states to suspend (but not cancel) child
support arrearages if the father "is unemployed, underemployed, or having
difficulty in paying child support obligations." Fatherhood Counts doesn't
protect rich men who don't pay child support. It offers help only to men
who've been on welfare or received food stamps in the past 24 months-fathers
who are simply incapable of paying. Wouldn't women and children be better
off if these men learned some marketable skills so they could go to work
instead of to jail?
NOW also claims that by promoting marriage, the Act doesn't protect women
who are the victims of domestic violence. In truth, the bill has extensive
provisions that do exactly that. And NOW worries that the Act could give
money to fathers' rights groups. So what? If women's groups get money to
help battered women, shouldn't fathers' groups get money to work with
disenfranchised fathers?
Children-the people who need the most help-are the biggest victims of NOW's
ill-conceived positions. It's common and irrefutable knowledge that kids who
have a father in their lives are less likely to smoke or abuse drugs or
alcohol, less likely to become teen parents or get involved in crime, and
far more likely to finish high school and go to college.
So why deny millions of children the chance to reestablish relationships
with their fathers and experience the benefits that having a father around
provides? And why deny poor mothers a long-overdue chance to improve their
lives? It's painfully simple: although Fatherhood Counts benefits women and
children, it benefits men too.
NOW once helped empower millions of women. But today it has become so
consumed by hate that it would rather harm our children (and their mothers)
than back anything that might make life a little easier for men. It's like a
twisted version of Gore Vidal's observation that, "It's not enough that I
succeed. My friends must fail."
One really has to wonder why anyone pays any attention to NOW anymore. The
group has only a few thousand members, according to the Washington Post, and
Ms. magazine's circulation is insignificant compared to the more popular
women's magazines. Clearly, women, many of whom consider themselves
feminists, have begun to distance themselves from NOW's intellectual
dishonesty and harmful rhetoric. Isn't it time that the media, Congress, and
the rest of us did the same? The future of America's children may depend on
it.
Armin Brott's most recent book is Throwaway Dads: The Myths and Barriers
That Keep Men From Being the Fathers They Want to Be. E-mail him at
ar...@MrDad.com.
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"A NOW LDEF staff attorney has been appointed to the American Bar
Association Custody Executive Committee. From that vantage point, we [NOW]
successfully opposed a proposed A.B.A. model statute that would PERMIT
[emphasis added] judges to impose joint custody over a parent's
pposition." -- A NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund, November 16, 1988.
"....when the non-custodial parent is perceived as "lost," the young adult
is more depressed. When a divorce occurs, the perception of the
non-custodial father has been shown to change in a negative direction, while
the perception of the mother (whether custodon-custodial) remains relatively
stable. "
"It is ironic, and of some interest, that we have subjected joint custody to
a level and intensity of scrutiny that was never directed toward the
traditional post-divorce arrangement (sole legal and physical custody to the
mother and two weekends each month of visiting to the father.)
Developmental and relationship theory should have alerted the mental health
field to the potential immediate and long range consequences for the child
of only seeing a parent four days each month. And yet until recently, there
was no particular challenge to this traditional post-divorce parenting
arrangement, despite growing evidence that such post-divorce relationships
were not sufficiently nurturing or stabilizing for many children and
parents."
"There is some evidence that in our well-meaning efforts to save children in
the immediate post-separation period from anxiety, confusion, and the
normative divorce-engendered conflict, we have set the stage in the longer
run for the more ominous symptoms of anger, depression, and a deep sense of
loss by depriving the child of the opportunity to maintain a full
relationship with each parent."
Examining Resistance to Joint Custody, Monograph by Joan Kelly, Ph.D.
(associate of Judith Wallerstein, Ph.D) From the 1991 Book Joint Custody and
Shared Parenting, second edition, Guilford Press, 1991.
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From "Woman Hating"by Andrea Dworkin, Penguin Books, 1974 p. 189, Chapter
entitled "Androgyny, Androgyny F&$%@ng and Community"
Incest
"The parent-child relationship is primarily erotic because all human
relationships are primarily erotic. The incest taboo is a particularized
form of repression, one which functions as the bulwark of all the other
repressions. The incest taboo ensures that however free we become, we never
become genuinely free. The incest taboo, because it denies us essential
fulfillment with the parents whom we love with our primary energy, forces us
to internalize those parents and constantly seek them, or seek to negate
them, in the minds, bodies and hearts of other humans who are not our
parents and never will be.
"The incest taboo does the worst work of the culture: it teaches us the
mechanisms of repressing and internalizing erotic feeling-it forces us to
develop those mechanisms in the first place; it forces us to particularize
sexual feeling, so that it congeals into a need for a particular sexual
"object"; it demands that we place the nuclear family above the human
family. The destruction of the incest taboo is essential to the development
of cooperative human community based on free-flow of natural and androgynous
eroticism.
The Family
"For if we grant that the sexual drive is at birth diffuse and
undifferentiated from the total personality (Freud's polymorphous
perversity") and ... becomes differentiated only in response to the incest
taboo; and that... the incest taboo is now necessarily only in order to
preserve the family; and if we did away with the family we would in effect
be doing away with repressions that mold sexuality into specific formations.
Shulamith Firestone, The Dialectics of Sex
"The incest taboo can be destroyed only by destroying the nuclear family
as the primary institution of the culture. The nuclear family is the school
of values in a sexist, sexually repressed society... The alternative to the
nuclear family at the moment is the extended family or the tribe. The growth
of tribe is part of the process of destroying particularized roles and
fixed erotic identity. As people develop fluid androgynous identity, they
will also develop the forms of community appropriate to it. We cannot really
imagine what those forms will be."
Three Eyed Fish
says...
Bellsouth. Why doesn't that surprise me?
Dworkin is to feminism as the KKK is to Christianity.
$5,000 says Bill Wood is a troll and will never be heard again.
Three Eyed Fish
says...
Bellsouth. Why doesn't that surprise me?
Dworkin is to feminism as the KKK is to Christianity.
$5,000 says Bill Wood is a troll and will never be heard again.
>
Three Eyed Fish
says...
Bellsouth. Why doesn't that surprise me?
Dworkin is to feminism as the KKK is to Christianity.
$5,000 says Bill Wood is a troll and will never be heard again.
>
Darkfalz
things under an evil influence, there's not really that much difference when
it boils down to it.
Besides, every woman has awareness about what she's doing. She has to take
responsibility.
"Bill Wood" <woo...@bellsouth.net_no_spm> wrote in message
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Louise
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Three Eyed Fish
>
>I am a radical feminist, live with the knowledge you cannot control me.
I'd sooner live without the knowledge that you exist, but, much like the
bacteria in the lower intestine, you do serve a purpose. You make a good foil
for Darkfalz and the rest of the male troglodytes.
Louise
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Bill Wood
attack the message bearer when the message is delivered LOADED with
verifiable facts about the EVIL of feminism :)
So, when do I collect my $5,000??
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has been a new movement toward the occult, angel worship, and even demon
worship. The Re-Imagining conference sponsored by feminist organizations
within the National Council of Churches, was one notorious attempt to
enshrine the goddess Sophia as a Christian deity; but events like this have
alerted many women to just how extreme modern feminism has become.
FEMINISM - Roots in Communism
Like Marxism, feminism can explain everything from advertising to religion
by following its single thread, the oppression of women." -- Carol Iannone,
"The Feminist Confusion," Second Thoughts: Former Radicals Look Back at the
Sixties, eds. Peter Collier and David Horowitz (Lanham, MD: Madison Books,
1989), P. 149.
"The Women's Caucus [endorses] marxist-leninist socialist thought". Robin
Morgan. Sisterhood is Powerful, pg 597
"Marxism and Feminism are one, and that one is Marxism" Heidi Hartmann and
Amy Bridges, The unhappy marriage of Marxism and Feminism. -- opening page
of Chapter 1, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State. Catharine A.
MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University Press (paperback in 1991) [a legal
treatise comparing and contrasting feminism with COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM])
"Sexuality is to feminism what work is to Marxism." -- Toward a Feminist
Theory of the State. Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University
Press. Page 3.
Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and
Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism. -- Toward a Feminist
Theory of the State. Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University
Press. Page 10.
ature." -- From: Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern
Liberalism and American Decline, Regan Books/HarperCollins, NY (pp.193-225)
"Like Marxism, feminism can explain everything from advertising to religion
liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to
leave their husbands and not to live individually with men" from "The
Declaration of Feminism," November 1971.
... No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her
Three Eyed Fish
says...
>
>I'll take you up on that. Further, interesting propaganda technique to
>attack the message bearer when the message is delivered LOADED with
>verifiable facts about the EVIL of feminism :)
>
>So, when do I collect my $5,000??
Why? You are a troll. Any person who posts inflammatory shit in alt.feminism
quoting the would be supreme court justice Robert Bork and equates Andrea
Dworkin with feminism as it is understood by not obviously insane people is a
troll, plain and simple. Besides, it was disgustingly disingenuous not to use
the qualifier *radical* in front of feminism in the subject line. I notice the
text makes liberal use of the term *radical* feminists. Loaded with verifiable
facts? Absolutely. Robert Bork and Andrea Dworkin are verifiably crazy as six
loons.
A troll is somebody who entertains himself or herself by
posting something really moronic to a group and baiting
people into replying angrily to it.
John Jones
> In article
<0lqg8.42558$sH1.2...@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>, Bill Wood
> says...
> >
> >I'll take you up on that. Further, interesting propaganda
technique to
> >attack the message bearer when the message is delivered LOADED
with
> >verifiable facts about the EVIL of feminism :)
> >
> >So, when do I collect my $5,000??
>
> Why? You are a troll. Any person who posts inflammatory shit
in alt.feminism
> quoting the would be supreme court justice Robert Bork and
equates Andrea
> Dworkin with feminism as it is understood by not obviously
insane people is a
> troll, plain and simple. Besides, it was disgustingly
disingenuous not to use
> the qualifier *radical* in front of feminism in the subject
line. I notice the
> text makes liberal use of the term *radical* feminists. Loaded
with verifiable
> facts? Absolutely. Robert Bork and Andrea Dworkin are
verifiably crazy as six
> loons.
How about Gloria Steinem?
...
GodEvolved
> In article <0lqg8.42558$sH1.2...@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>, Bill
> Wood says...
>>
>>I'll take you up on that. Further, interesting propaganda technique to
>>attack the message bearer when the message is delivered LOADED with
>>verifiable facts about the EVIL of feminism :)
>>
>>So, when do I collect my $5,000??
>
> Why? You are a troll. Any person who posts inflammatory shit in
> alt.feminism quoting the would be supreme court justice Robert Bork and
> equates Andrea Dworkin with feminism as it is understood by not
> obviously insane people is a troll, plain and simple. Besides, it was
> disgustingly disingenuous not to use the qualifier *radical* in front
> of feminism in the subject line. I notice the text makes liberal use
> of the term *radical* feminists. Loaded with verifiable facts?
> Absolutely. Robert Bork and Andrea Dworkin are verifiably crazy as six
> loons.
(Q) What's the difference between a feminist and a radical feminist?
(A) A radical feminist says what a feminist thinks.
>
> A troll is somebody who entertains himself or herself by
> posting something really moronic to a group and baiting
> people into replying angrily to it.
>
>
>
>>>
>>> $5,000 says Bill Wood is a troll and will never be heard again.
>
>
>
>
>
--
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"...What you have to understand, young lady, is that the Greeks, not
content with dominating the culture of the Classical world, are also
responsible for the greatest, some would say the only, work of true
creative imagination produced this century as well. I refer of course to
the Greek ferry timetables. A work of the sublimest fiction. Anyone who
has travelled the Aegean will confirm this..." Professor Watkin - Dirk
Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
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Louise
for the real mccoy
spits in one eye
"Three Eyed Fish" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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John Jones
"Louise" <Lou...@no.spam> wrote in message
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> hey andrea dworkin is one of the pillars of feminism, get over
your hatred
> for the real mccoy
She surely is. And she advocates incest and beastiality.
[...]
William Parker
U4.10...@twister.midsouth.rr.com:
At least that means none of the litter is left out.
Louise
unless he sucks up i wont be commenting on his insults
if he wants to play, he's got to pay
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Louise
Why am I not on your list?
"Three Eyed Fish" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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hey, i like this one :)
> >".[I]n every realm of male expression and action, violence is experienced
> >and articulated as love and freedom." Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men
> >Possessing Women.
right on andrea! :)
> >
> >Women's Liberation . in the short run it's going to cost men a lot of
> >privilege... Sexism is NOT the fault of women -- kill your fathers, not
your
> >mothers". Robin Morgan, Editor of Ms. Magazine
try quoting the whole thing
> >
> >".[I]f you don't like it, bad luck -- and if you get in my way I'll run
you
> >down." Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne,
Australia.
> >9 Feb., 1996.
that goes double for me :)
> >
> >Even the language of the [feminist] movement mirrors the mood of fascism.
> >The apocalyptic and hate-filled rhetoric of radical feminists expresses
> >their eagerness to inflict harm. -- From: Robert H. Bork (1996):
Slouching
> >Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline, Regan
> >Books/HarperCollins, NY (pp.193-225)
> >
naw, we just want men to walk in our shoes, just for a day
the rest have been taken out of context in order to lie
shame on u
John Jones
Louise (M. Louse Marchand) has killfiled me, and she is bringing
it to your attention so that you and I will *know* that she has
done so. She will no doubt ask you several more times to inform
me that she ignoring me. Pathetic isn't it?
More information is available on www.pleasetrytoremain.com/louise
[f/ups set - no need to subject other newsgroups to her sad cries
for attention]
"Louise" <Lou...@no.spam> wrote in message
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John Jones
"Louise" <Lou...@no.spam> wrote in message
> I feel like a complete reject :(
>
> Why am I not on your list?
>
Because you're a complete reject. You know this already. Deity
knows you've been told by everyone and their brother.
Three Eyed Fish
>
>hey andrea dworkin is one of the pillars of feminism, get over your hatred
>for the real mccoy
>
>spits in one eye
Now THAT hurt.
Feminism deserves much better.
If I believed she was the real mccoy I'd have to agree that feminism is evil.
However, she's just an outspoken nutjob who has branded herself a feminist and
taken positions on issues of gender politics which are so far beyond the pale
they provide a wonderful target for broadsides from archconservatives looking
for a convenient bogeywoman they can use to stigmatize the entire feminist
movement. Christ, even Rush Limbaugh sounds reasonable next to Dworkin.
Here are the names of seventy five people, mostly women, who consider themselves
feminists.
Dorothy Allison, author
Kate Baggott, producer and director
Dennis Barrie, director, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame & Museum
Nancy Bereano, publisher, Firebrand Books
Lauren Berlant, professor of English, University of Chicago
Sara Blackburn, author and editor
Judy Blume, author
Susie Bright, author and activist
Lea Brilmayer, professor, New York University Law School
Isolde Chapin, executive director, Washington Independent Writers Association
Catherine Christian, former prosecutor, Manhattan (NY) District Attorney's
Office (Domestic Violence Unit)
Miriam Colón, actress and artistic director, Puerto Rican Traveling Theatre
Karen DeCrow, attorney and former president, NOW
Donna Demac, attorney, educator, and journalist
Lisa Duggan, journalist and historian, New York University
Kate Ellis, professor of English, Rutgers University
Clarissa Pinkola Estès, author and Jungian analyst
Marilyn Fitterman, former president, New York State NOW
Lesley Lee Francis, associate secretary, American Association of University
Professors
Beth Freeman, Ph.D candidate
Nancy Friday, author
Betty Friedan, feminist activist and author
Jane Gallop, professor of English and Comparative Literature, University of
Wisconsin at Milwaukee
Judith Kegan Gardiner, professor of English and Women Studies, University of
Illinois at Chicago
Kathy Garmezy, executive director, Hollywood Policy Center
Henry Louis Gates, Jr., critic and professor of English and Afro-American
Studies, Harvard University
Jewelle Gomez, poet, novelist, teacher, and arts administrator
Debra Haffner, executive director, Sex Information and Education Council of the
U.S. (SIECUS)
Eleanor Heartney, art critic
Holly Hughes, playwright and performance artist
David Henry Hwang, playwright
Susan Isaacs, author
Molly Ivins, author and political humorist
Carol Jacobsen, artist and activist
Erica Jong, author
Wendy Kaminer, author
Barbara Kerr, member, Feminist Anti-Censorship Taskforce (FACT) and
businessperson
Jamaica Kincaid, author
Nancy Langer, author and specialist in reproductive rights
Sylvia Law, professor, New York University Law School
Judith Levine, author and journalist
Bobby Lilly, head, Californians Against Censorship Together
Phyllis Lyon, professor emeritus, The Institute for Advanced Study of Human
Sexuality
Del Martin, author and expert on domestic violence
Thelma McCormack, sociologist and director, Centre for Feminist Research, York
University
Susan McHenry, journalist and editor
Joyce Meskis, owner, Tattered Cover Bookstore
Robin Davis Miller, executive director, Authors League of America
Peggy Northrop, senior editor,Vogue
Norman Pearlstine, editor-in-chief, Time Inc.
Kathleen Peratis, attorney
Howardena Pindell, artist
Gloria Pipkin, educator and activist
Sandy Rapp, musician, author, and activist
Nanette Roberts, church worker and educator
Laurie Rockett, attorney
Maggi Rubenstein, therapist, educator, and sexologist
Joy Silverman, arts activist
Muriel Morisey Spence, professor, Temple University Law School
Sally Steenland, journalist
Catharine Stimpson, professor of English, Rutgers University
Nadine Strossen, professor, New York Law School and president, ACLU
Nadine Taub, professor of law and director, Womens Rights Litigation Clinic,
Rutgers University
Carol Tavris, author and social psychologist
Leonore Tiefer, psychologist and professor, Montefiore Medical Center
Sallie Tisdale, author
Carole Tormollan. Midwest editor, High Performance
Judith Walkowitz, historian and chair of women's studies, Johns
HopkinsUniversity
Faye Wattleton, former president, Planned Parenthood Federation of America
Linda Williams, author and professor, University of California at Irvine
Ellen Willis, journalist and professor, New York University Journalism School
Diane Zimmerman, professor, New York University School of Law
Here is a statement endorsed by all 75 people.
"We are feminists who believe the First Amendment is good for women. Women's
freedom, equality, and safety are best served by the broadest availability of
sexual speech -- that means Our Bodies, Ourselves, Debbie Does Dallas, lesbian
strip shows, the novels of Judy Blume, and Andrea Dworkin's antiporn polemic
Intercourse.
To be sexually free, women must be able to discover and legitimate their own
sexualities through representing and seeing them represented in a vast variety
of ways. We don't want the U.S. government, or Andrea Dworkin, telling us which
representations are "good" and which ones "degrade" us.
To be equal, women must take control of their bodies, aided by information about
contraception, abortion, and AIDS that today, as in the past, is so often
attacked.
To be safe from sexual violence, we must be able to publicly describe it in
every obscene detail.
We know that when the censors are unleashed, they censor us. Jesse Helms'
attacks on the NEA targeted lesbians, gay men, and feminists making art about
sex and sexual violence. Since Canada's Supreme Court upheld censorship of
pornography, using MacKinnon and Dworkin's arguments, there have been
prosecutions and convictions against lesbian and gay expression, and Canada
Customs has seized much lesbian literature at the border. They also seized two
books by Andrea Dworkin.
We anticensorship feminists hate misogynist representations of women -- whether
in advertising, sitcoms, or pornography. But we don't all agree on what's
misogynist.
And we hate rape and abuse even more. But pictures are not themselves violence.
And censorship will never stop violence. In fact, the most monstrous regimes in
history used censorship to help carry out their aims. Hitler was especially
unhappy about "degrading" images of women and eager to wipe out smut.
To win equality and freedom, women should stand up for free speech -- theory and
raunch, petitions and art, unfettered expression of minds and bodies."
Doesn't sound to me like they endorse Andrea Dworkin as their designated
spokesperson on gender issues.
Bill Wood
Evil on the SAME continuum? Let's see now, watered down poison won't kill
you QUITE as fast as the full dose. But it will, in the end, kill you just
the same. Poison and communism are still poison and communism in ALL their
forms. Just because you worship at the alter of some other "version" of
poison is useless.
Watered down feminism, no matter what "flavor of the month" is professed, is
still from the same pool of evil as these quotes come from...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
030302 - Queen Elizabeth and other quotes added
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FEMINISM - HATE GROUP PROMOTING TERRORISM
When the evidence and the logic are both against you, it is necessary to
claim that evidence and logic are counterrevolutionary props of the status
quo ... facts and rationality, when inconvenient, as they usually are, may
be dismissed as "patriarchal constructions of knowledge" ... Emotion must
be allowed to trump intellect if the whole enterprise is not to be revealed
as the hoax it is. -- From: Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching Towards
Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline, Regan Books/HarperCollins,
NY (pp.193-225)
Feminism Defined (by Bruce Eden of Divorce Reform in New Jersey) - Feminism
is no longer about equal opportunity for women. It is a thuggish, devious
synthesis of Marxism and lesbianism used by ruling elites to undermine
individuals and weaken society. It is to society what AIDS is to the body.
Why is there "an explosion of angry demand on the part of women who as a
group were the freest, healthiest, wealthiest, longest-lived, and most
comfortably situated people the world had yet laid eyes on." -- Midge
Decter, "You're On Your Own, Baby," The Women's Quarterly, Winter 1996, p.4
"I am most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write to join in
checking this mad, wicked folly of 'Women's Rights,' with all its attendant
horrors, on which her poor feeble sex is bent, forgetting every sense of
womanly feelings and propriety. Feminists ought to get a good whipping. Were
woman to 'unsex' themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become
the most hateful, heathen and disgusting of beings and would surely perish
without male protection." ~ Queen Victoria, March, 1870.
"The idea of woman's emancipation is based upon a profound enmity between
the sexes, upon envy and imitation. Woman becomes a mere caricature, a
pseudo-being." ~ Russian philosopher Berdyaev, quoted in Elliot's Let Me Be
a Woman, page 158
Domestic Violence, Butchering Children Feminist Style, and destroying women
"[I]f even 10 percent of American women remain full-time homemakers, this
will reinforce traditional views of what women ought to do and encourage
other women to become full-time homemakers at least while their children are
young.... This means that no matter how any individual feminist might feel
about child care and housework, the movement as a whole [has] reasons to
discourage full-time homemaking." ~ Jane J. Mansbridge, Why We Lost the ERA,
p. 100 (and you wonder WHY feminism ATTACKS home-making?)
"[F]eminists who ceaselessly inveigh against their own oppression by men
(often hardly specifying its exact nature) would ignore how they themselves
have oppressed . feminine women. It oppresses a woman who could delight in
domesticity to tell her that her domesticity makes her a parasitic inferior
to men. It oppresses a woman who yearns to stay home with her children to
tell her she is worthy only insofar as she achieves in the workplace." ~ F.
Carolyn Graglia, A Brief Against Feminism, page 349
So long as we insist upon defining our identities only in terms of our work,
so long as we try to blind ourselves to the needs of our children and harden
our hearts against them, we will continue to feel torn, dissatisfied, and
exhausted.. The guilt we feel for neglecting our children is a byproduct of
our love for them. It keeps us from straying too far from them, for too
long. Their cry should be more compelling than the call from the office." ~
Danielle Crittenden, What Our Mothers Didn't Tell Us, page 143.
"Women are told today they can have it all-career, marriage, children. You
need a total commitment to make it work. Take a close look at your child. He
doesn't want you to be bright, talented, chic, or smart-any of those things.
He just wants you to love him. He will be the one who pays the price for
your wanting to have it all. Think carefully about having that baby. Not to
have it would be a great loss. To have it too late greatly increases the
health hazards for you and the child. To have it without a commitment to it
would be a great tragedy." ~ Beverly Sills, addressing a graduating class
of Barnard College in New York.
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"Remember this: The strongest sign of the decay of a nation is the
feminization of men and the masculinization of women. It is notable that in
Communist nations women are exhorted, and compelled, to do what has
traditionally been men's work. American women, some of them, feel triumphant
that they have broken down the 'barricades' between the work of the sexes. I
hope they will still feel triumphant when some commissar forces a shovel or
an axe into their soft hands and compels them to pound and cut forests and
dig ditches. I hope they will be 'happy' when a husband deserts them and
they must support their children and themselves alone. (After all, if a
woman must be 'free' she shouldn't object to men being free too, should
she?) I hope they will feel 'fulfilled' when they are given no more
courtesies due to their sex and no kindnesses, but are kicked aside on the
subways buses by men, and jostled out of the way by men on busy sidewalks
and elevators.. I hope, when they look in their mirrors, that they will be
pleased to see exhausted, embittered faces, and that they will be consoled
by their paychecks." ~ Taylor Caldwell in "They're Spoiling Eve's Great
Con Game," American Opinion, September 1970, page 8.
"[I]t would not be hard to show, did space permit, that this movement
[women's suffrage] on the part of these women is as suicidal as it is
mischievous. Its certain result will be the re-enslavement of women, not
under the Scriptural bonds of marriage, but under the yoke of literal
corporeal force. The woman who will calmly review the condition of her sex
in other ages and countries will feel that her wisdom is to 'let well enough
alone.'. Under all other civilizations and all other religions than ours,
woman has experienced this fate to the full; her condition has been that of
a slave to the male-sometimes a petted slave, but yet a slave. In Christian
and European society alone has she ever attained the place of man's social
equal and received the homage and honor due from magnanimity to her sex and
her feebleness. And her enviable lot among us has resulted from two causes:
the Christian religion and the legislation founded upon it by feudal
chivalry. How insane then is it for her to spurn these two bulwarks of
defense.? She is thus spurning the only protectors her sex has ever found,
and provoking a contest in which she must inevitably be overwhelmed." ~
Robert L. Dabney, "Women's Rights Women" in Discussions, Volume 4, pages
502-503.
"The House has become a three-ring circus, but the clowns aren't funny and
the new ringmaster seems distracted." Washington, DECEMBER 14, 1998 1:49
PM - PRESS RELEASE - Statement of NOW Executive Vice-president Kim Gandy
Urging Women to Lobby Against Impeachment of Bill Clinton for his abuse of
another woman, Monica Lewinsky.
"Feminism rode into our cultural life on the coattails of the New Left but
by now it certainly deserves its own place in the halls of intellectual
barbarisms." -- Carol Iannone, The Feminist Confusion, Second Thoughts:
Former Radicals Look Back at the Sixties. Lanham, MD, Madison Books, 1989,
p. 153.
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Margaret Mead, a leading female anthropologist stated "[i]t is true . . .
that all claims so glibly made about societies ruled by women are nonsense.
We have no reason to believe that they ever existed. . . . Men have always
been the leaders in public affairs, and the final authorities at home." --
Quoted in Goldberg, Utopian Yearning versus Scientific Curiosity, p. 31
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"Among teenage and adult populations of females, parental divorce has been
associated with lower self-esteem, precocious sexual activity, greater
delinquent-like behavior, and more difficulty establishing gratifying,
lasting adult heterosexual relationships. It is especially intriguing to
note that, in these studies, the parental divorce typically occurred years
before any difficulties were observed..
"At the time of the marital separation, when (as is typical) father leaves
the family home and becomes progressively less involved with his children
over the ensuing years, it appears that young girls experience the emotional
loss of father egocentrically as a rejection of them. While more common
among preschool and early elementary school girls, we have observed this
phenomenon clinically in later elementary school and young adolescent
children. Here the continued lack of involvement is experienced as an
ongoing rejection by him. Many girls attribute this rejection to their not
being pretty enough, affectionate enough, athletic enough, or smart enough
to please father and engage him in regular, frequent contacts".
"Finally, girls whose parents divorce may grow up without the day to day
experience of interacting with a man who is attentive, caring and loving.
The continuous sense of being valued and loved as a female seems an
especially key element in the development of the conviction that one is
indeed femininely lovable. Without this regular source of nourishment, a
girl's sense of being valued as a female does not seem to thrive."
Long-Term Effects of Divorce on Children: A Developmental Vulnerability
Model Neil Kalter, Ph.D., University of Michigan, American Journal of
Orthopsychiatry, 57(4), October, 1987
********************
"Because divorce is a process, not an isolated event, the effects of the
divorce may be cumulative and early intervention would therefore be
beneficial.
The continued involvement of the non- custodial parent in the child's life
appears crucial in preventing an intense sense of loss in the child.... The
importance of the relationship with the non-custodial parent may also have
implications for the legal issues of custodial arrangements and visitation.
The results of this study indicate that arrangements where both parents are
equally involved with the child are optimal. When this type of arrangement
is not possible, the child's continued relationship with the non-custodial
parent remains essential."
Young Adult Children of Divorced Parents: Depression and the Perception of
Loss, Rebecca L. Drill, Ph.D., Harvard University. Journal of Divorce, V.
10, #1/2, Fall/Winter 1986
********************
"The impact of parental divorce and subsequent father absence in the wake of
this event has long been thought to affect children quite negatively. For
instance, parental divorce and father loss has been associated with
difficulties in school adjustment (e.g. Felner, Ginter, Boike, & Cowen),
Social Adjustment (e.g. Fry & Grover) and personal adjustment (e.g. Covell &
Turnbull)...
********************
"The results of the present study suggest that father loss through divorce
is associated with diminished self-concepts in children...at least for this
sample of children from the Midwestern United States."
Children's Self Concepts: Are They Affected by Parental Divorce and
Remarriage Thomas S. Parish, Journal of Social Behavior and Personality,
1987, V 2, #4, 559-562
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Many apologists for maternal abuse/neglect claim "opportunity" as a
justification for the higher maternal-abuse figures, and with some
justification. For instance, a study of inner city child abuse (Lansing)
published in a major journal in 1984 indicated that approximately 50% of the
confirmed child abuse/neglect was committed by single parent mothers.
"Opportunity" is somewhat offset by the "you just wait until your father
gets home" pressure for a father to punish children for an infraction
committed under the mother's supervision.
The "opportunity" excuse fades further in a 10-year study of confirmed
parental child abuse/neglect in a state that awards over 40% "visitation"
time to separated noncustodial parents (usually fathers). In that state,
prior to the state-wide guideline, 64% of confirmed child abuse was
committed by mothers, 36% by fathers. Following implementation of the
"visitation" guideline, the gap has widened and now stands at 69%-70%
mothers, 30%-31% fathers. [by this study, CHILDREN ARE SAFER WITH THEIR
FATHERS when considering the OPPORTUNITY EXCUSE!!]
Bill Wood
SHE THINKS SHE'S A FEMINIST TO BE EMULATED!!
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"Three Eyed Fish" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:vHBg8.4996$15....@www.newsranger.com...
> In article <2Kxg8.6233$eca....@news1.bloor.is>, Louise says...
> >
> >hey andrea dworkin is one of the pillars of feminism, get over your
hatred
> >for the real mccoy
> >
> >spits in one eye
>
> Now THAT hurt.
> Feminism deserves much better.
>
> If I believed she was the real mccoy I'd have to agree that feminism is
evil.
> However, she's just an outspoken nutjob who has branded herself a feminist
and
> taken positions on issues of gender politics which are so far beyond the
pale
> they provide a wonderful target for broadsides from archconservatives
looking
> for a convenient bogeywoman they can use to stigmatize the entire feminist
> movement. Christ, even Rush Limbaugh sounds reasonable next to Dworkin.
>
Liked the Diatribe on "radical" feminism vs. what? Some other "form" of
Evil on the SAME continuum? Let's see now, watered down poison won't kill
you QUITE as fast as the full dose. But it will, in the end, kill you just
the same. Poison and communism are still poison and communism in ALL their
forms. Just because you worship at the alter of some other "version" of
poison is useless.
Watered down feminism, no matter what "flavor of the month" is professed, is
still from the same pool of evil as these quotes come from...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
030302 - Queen Elizabeth and other quotes added
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FEMINISM - HATE GROUP PROMOTING TERRORISM
When the evidence and the logic are both against you, it is necessary to
claim that evidence and logic are counterrevolutionary props of the status
quo ... facts and rationality, when inconvenient, as they usually are, may
be dismissed as "patriarchal constructions of knowledge" ... Emotion must
be allowed to trump intellect if the whole enterprise is not to be revealed
as the hoax it is. -- From: Robert H. Bork (1996): Slouching Towards
Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline, Regan Books/HarperCollins,
NY (pp.193-225)
Feminism Defined (by Bruce Eden of Divorce Reform in New Jersey) - Feminism
is no longer about equal opportunity for women. It is a thuggish, devious
synthesis of Marxism and lesbianism used by ruling elites to undermine
individuals and weaken society. It is to society what AIDS is to the body.
Why is there "an explosion of angry demand on the part of women who as a
group were the freest, healthiest, wealthiest, longest-lived, and most
comfortably situated people the world had yet laid eyes on." -- Midge
Decter, "You're On Your Own, Baby," The Women's Quarterly, Winter 1996, p.4
"I am most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write to join in
checking this mad, wicked folly of 'Women's Rights,' with all its attendant
horrors, on which her poor feeble sex is bent, forgetting every sense of
womanly feelings and propriety. Feminists ought to get a good whipping. Were
woman to 'unsex' themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become
the most hateful, heathen and disgusting of beings and would surely perish
without male protection." ~ Queen Victoria, March, 1870.
"Sexual harassment legislation is an instrument by which the micromanagement
"The idea of woman's emancipation is based upon a profound enmity between
the sexes, upon envy and imitation. Woman becomes a mere caricature, a
pseudo-being." ~ Russian philosopher Berdyaev, quoted in Elliot's Let Me Be
a Woman, page 158
Domestic Violence, Butchering Children Feminist Style, and destroying women
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Remember this: The strongest sign of the decay of a nation is the
feminization of men and the masculinization of women. It is notable that in
Communist nations women are exhorted, and compelled, to do what has
traditionally been men's work. American women, some of them, feel triumphant
that they have broken down the 'barricades' between the work of the sexes. I
hope they will still feel triumphant when some commissar forces a shovel or
an axe into their soft hands and compels them to pound and cut forests and
dig ditches. I hope they will be 'happy' when a husband deserts them and
they must support their children and themselves alone. (After all, if a
woman must be 'free' she shouldn't object to men being free too, should
she?) I hope they will feel 'fulfilled' when they are given no more
courtesies due to their sex and no kindnesses, but are kicked aside on the
subways buses by men, and jostled out of the way by men on busy sidewalks
and elevators.. I hope, when they look in their mirrors, that they will be
pleased to see exhausted, embittered faces, and that they will be consoled
by their paychecks." ~ Taylor Caldwell in "They're Spoiling Eve's Great
Con Game," American Opinion, September 1970, page 8.
"Our culture, including all that we are taught in schools and universities,
"[I]t would not be hard to show, did space permit, that this movement
[women's suffrage] on the part of these women is as suicidal as it is
mischievous. Its certain result will be the re-enslavement of women, not
under the Scriptural bonds of marriage, but under the yoke of literal
corporeal force. The woman who will calmly review the condition of her sex
in other ages and countries will feel that her wisdom is to 'let well enough
alone.'. Under all other civilizations and all other religions than ours,
woman has experienced this fate to the full; her condition has been that of
a slave to the male-sometimes a petted slave, but yet a slave. In Christian
and European society alone has she ever attained the place of man's social
equal and received the homage and honor due from magnanimity to her sex and
her feebleness. And her enviable lot among us has resulted from two causes:
the Christian religion and the legislation founded upon it by feudal
chivalry. How insane then is it for her to spurn these two bulwarks of
defense.? She is thus spurning the only protectors her sex has ever found,
and provoking a contest in which she must inevitably be overwhelmed." ~
Robert L. Dabney, "Women's Rights Women" in Discussions, Volume 4, pages
502-503.
"The House has become a three-ring circus, but the clowns aren't funny and
the new ringmaster seems distracted." Washington, DECEMBER 14, 1998 1:49
PM - PRESS RELEASE - Statement of NOW Executive Vice-president Kim Gandy
Urging Women to Lobby Against Impeachment of Bill Clinton for his abuse of
another woman, Monica Lewinsky.
"Feminism rode into our cultural life on the coattails of the New Left but
by now it certainly deserves its own place in the halls of intellectual
barbarisms." -- Carol Iannone, The Feminist Confusion, Second Thoughts:
Former Radicals Look Back at the Sixties. Lanham, MD, Madison Books, 1989,
p. 153.
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Margaret Mead, a leading female anthropologist stated "[i]t is true . . .
that all claims so glibly made about societies ruled by women are nonsense.
We have no reason to believe that they ever existed. . . . Men have always
been the leaders in public affairs, and the final authorities at home." --
Quoted in Goldberg, Utopian Yearning versus Scientific Curiosity, p. 31
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Cutting Off Children's Noses to Spite Men's Faces -- By Armin Brott -
Three Eyed Fish
>
>WHAT ABOUT GLORIA STEINEM'S GLOWING ENDORSEMENT OF ANDREA DWORKIN??
>
>SHE THINKS SHE'S A FEMINIST TO BE EMULATED!!
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the other six billion or so people on this planet. Fact is women have been
historically denied career opportunities and treated unequally in the US (well,
in the world, for that matter). Why should women be pigeonholed in the roles of
homemaker and helpmate (or alternatively, concubine) if they aspire to do
something else? Without feminist activism western women would still be mired in
subservient dependence on men. Maybe you prefer it that way. I don't think you
can turn back the clock on progress, and if the price of women speaking their
minds on issues affecting their lives is enduring the rantings of a few
extremists, so be it.
BTW, please stop the crossposting to ASL. I think you'll reach your target
audience more efficiently by restricting your diatribes to alt.feminism.
Bill Wood
I find the following quotes related to this rather apropo and fitting. I
must ask, what is YOUR philosophy of feminism? Is child rearing and
home-making a bad thing? Are career and "individual actualization" more
important? What MAKES a woman, a woman? No matter how hard, long, or loud
any feminist may shriek, she is different, physically, physiologically,
biologically, and emotionally from a man. Does that mean women are less?
No. Does it mean they are equal? How can an apple be an orange?
I have a wonderful wife, and the most adorable daughter than anyone could
ever hope for. We have a GREAT marriage that started out rocky UNTIL we
started exploring what made us different. What our God-given roles and
responsibilities are. We mutually agreed to try it, and it has turned out
to be a great marriage. We have our ups and downs like anyone else, but
clearing up the feminized role confusion has erased a lot of loneliness,
confusion, frustration, a sense of isolation, and a deep longing that my
wife had for fulfillment. We talk more, she is making new friendships with
women who do NOT buy into the feminist lies, and she is genuinely happy.
My daughter, at 10, is only TOO HAPPY to give up "being her own person" to
emulate what is considered traditionally female. And she loves it.
Feminism is one of, if not THE greatest cultural evils of the last century.
Its goals and aims are to enslave women into a spiraling world of impossible
expectations that defy how God created them, and who they are. Feminism is
an empty, bitter pill, filled with anger, loneliness, and frustration...
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Standing on the Edge
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> Eve was not evil, she was duped.
There was no Eve, moron
Ed
Michael Snyder
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There was no moron.
-- Eve
hoolihoo
Nik
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Michael Snyder
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>yes there was
Why, I had brunch with her just the other day! ;-)
michael price
> yes there was
Based on what? A hopelessly inaccurate translation of an oral
tradition hundreds of years old edited for political reasons several
times?
Any serious consideration of the Eve myth must concede that her
actions in th story resulted in us becoming thinking, moral beings.
The idea that Eve did a "bad" thing depends on the idea that God's
will defines the good.
hoolihoo
Nik (the holy guy)
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Standing on the Edge
hoolihoo <hool...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> yes there was
Moron
Ed
Standing on the Edge
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> > yes there was
>
> Based on what? A hopelessly inaccurate translation of an oral
> tradition hundreds of years old edited for political reasons several
> times?
> Any serious consideration of the Eve myth must concede that her
> actions in th story resulted in us becoming thinking, moral beings.
> The idea that Eve did a "bad" thing depends on the idea that God's
> will defines the good.
The whole of that story is completely ridiculous and its moronic to believe
it actually happened. Even if I believed in God I wouldn't believe this dumb
story.
Ed
Standing on the Edge
hoolihoo <hool...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> yes there was
>
There was also a Zeus as well
Ed
Standing on the Edge
> ahh im only messin with ye.
Oh, its just that sometimes people can really be that stupid.
For example, Joel in ASS believes that God killed people in the "great
flood" because the people were "sleeping with daemons" and the babies
deserved to die because they were "daemon babies".
Crack. Pot.
Ed
hoolihoo
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