[OW!] New poll for otakuwars
Pook!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/otakuwars/polls
A new poll has been created for the
otakuwars group:
Currently the OW! is having problems
attracting and keeping new members. If
things continue the way they're going,
eventually the OW! will die out. Which
of the following measures to keep the
OW! going seem like a good idea? Vote
for as many as you want.
o Recruiting new members on other newsgroups (i.e. rec.arts.anime.misc
or alt.fan.utena)
o Announcing the OW! on a site like pbem.com
o Increasing support for having all posts cross-posted to AFSM
o Restarting something like the Otakuworld Sunday Gazette to keep the
lurkers and new people up to speed
o Creating an OtakuWars! webring or new central site.
o Encouraging everyone to visit #ow on IRC regularly to prevent
misunderstandings and increase friendships and community.
o Measures schmeasures! Let it die a graceful death.
o I would care why again?
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Thanks!
Farix
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> Enter your vote today! To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/otakuwars/polls
>
> A new poll has been created for the
> otakuwars group:
>
> Currently the OW! is having problems
> attracting and keeping new members. If
> things continue the way they're going,
> eventually the OW! will die out. Which
> of the following measures to keep the
> OW! going seem like a good idea? Vote
> for as many as you want.
>
> o Recruiting new members on other newsgroups (i.e. rec.arts.anime.misc
> or alt.fan.utena)
> o Announcing the OW! on a site like pbem.com
> o Increasing support for having all posts cross-posted to AFSM
> o Restarting something like the Otakuworld Sunday Gazette to keep the
> lurkers and new people up to speed
> o Creating an OtakuWars! webring or new central site.
> o Encouraging everyone to visit #ow on IRC regularly to prevent
> misunderstandings and increase friendships and community.
> o Measures schmeasures! Let it die a graceful death.
> o I would care why again?
o Dump the mailing list and return OW! to AFSM.
I personally feel that the mailing list is directly responsible for this
problem, which is one of the reasons why I wont post to it.
Farix
Pseudo-Chan
> problem, which is one of the reasons why I wont post to it.
The mailing list is a complement to the newsgroup, not a replacement. Our
posts are still going to AFSM as well, the ML just allows people to keep up
to date on them without the fear of their newsfeed skipping/deleting posts,
as well as providing an effective archive.
So long as the posts continue to be posted to both media, as is supposed to
be the case, then truly what harm is it doing?
--
Johnathan "Pseudo-Chan" Walde
- The Voice of a New Generation
Adrian Tymes
> > I personally feel that the mailing list is directly responsible for this
> > problem, which is one of the reasons why I wont post to it.
>
> The mailing list is a complement to the newsgroup, not a replacement. Our
> posts are still going to AFSM as well, the ML just allows people to keep up
> to date on them without the fear of their newsfeed skipping/deleting posts,
> as well as providing an effective archive.
>
> So long as the posts continue to be posted to both media, as is supposed to
> be the case, then truly what harm is it doing?
I believe Farix's complaint is that not all the ML posts are being
forwarded to AFSM, especially the NS ones (extra-useful for bringing in
lurkers), and furthermore that AFSM posts tend to be ignored in favor
of ML posts (so, for instance, an AFSM-only poster like Farix would not
be able to interact that well), thus leading those who aren't on the ML
to lose track of what's going on.
Not saying (yet) whether I agree with this complaint or not, just
trying to get it stated clearly for the record. Farix: did I get your
complaint right? Did I leave any bits out?
Farix
news:3B6D8C99...@pacbell.net...
> Pseudo-Chan wrote:
> > > I personally feel that the mailing list is directly responsible for
this
> > > problem, which is one of the reasons why I wont post to it.
> >
> > The mailing list is a complement to the newsgroup, not a replacement.
Our
> > posts are still going to AFSM as well, the ML just allows people to keep
up
> > to date on them without the fear of their newsfeed skipping/deleting
posts,
> > as well as providing an effective archive.
Tell that to the 2/3rd that don't -- no, make that won't -- post to AFSM.
> > So long as the posts continue to be posted to both media, as is supposed
to
> > be the case, then truly what harm is it doing?
>
> I believe Farix's complaint is that not all the ML posts are being
> forwarded to AFSM, especially the NS ones (extra-useful for bringing in
> lurkers), and furthermore that AFSM posts tend to be ignored in favor
> of ML posts (so, for instance, an AFSM-only poster like Farix would not
> be able to interact that well), thus leading those who aren't on the ML
> to lose track of what's going on.
>
> Not saying (yet) whether I agree with this complaint or not, just
> trying to get it stated clearly for the record. Farix: did I get your
> complaint right? Did I leave any bits out?
That's part of it. Despite all of these talk that the mailing list is a
complement to the AFSM, the reality is completely different. It has
effectively replaced AFSM. Only 8 or 9 people post to the newsgroup
nowdays.
Farix
Miles Rost
>
> > I personally feel that the mailing list is directly responsible for this
> > problem, which is one of the reasons why I wont post to it.
>
> The mailing list is a complement to the newsgroup, not a replacement. Our
> posts are still going to AFSM as well, the ML just allows people to keep up
> to date on them without the fear of their newsfeed skipping/deleting posts,
> as well as providing an effective archive.
>
> So long as the posts continue to be posted to both media, as is supposed to
> be the case, then truly what harm is it doing?
And if people were just a teeny-bit more responsible in remembering to
send the post to the NG as well as the ML...THEN we'd be in fine shape.
Key is 'remembering'...
--
Miles Rost
Author of Sailor Musica
http://www.pcez.com/~amichan/musica.jpg
Also, New Owner of "The Otakuwars! Writer's Guide Archive"
http://www.pcez.com/~amichan/warsoppg.htm
Asuka
here if it is already being posted somewhere else (in theory)?
-A
"Miles Rost" <ami...@pcez.com> wrote in message
news:3B6DDC21...@pcez.com...
Pseudo-Chan
news:9kknqc$f2n$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> I'm a tiny bit behind the times. What is the point in forwarding
everything
> here if it is already being posted somewhere else (in theory)?
Because AFSM is still the media the Wars! resides in (ideally). We need to
keep it public in order to recruit new members, and a mailing list doesn't
offer that luxury.
The Mailing List is just there for those who are active in posting and/or
reading the Wars!, so they don't miss out on posts that can otherwise get
eaten by a crappy newsfeed or internet hiccough. It was never meant to
replace AFSM as the home of the Wars!, just meant as an aide.
It's not so much a matter of forwarding everything here, as a matter of
forwarding everything to the mailing list. Unfortunately, it seems some
people have misunderstood this, and are using the mailing list exclusively.
I, fortunately, am not one of those.
Craxton
"Pseudo-Chan" <jwsf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pomb7.46827$sM.12...@news2.rdc1.ab.home.com...
Is the ML moderated? If so, just nix any mailings that don't also show up on
the group.
-Craxton
Farix
news:9kku0f$d5l$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
It's bad enough that there are a few that refuse to post to AFSM, claims
it's to much effort. But that is just asking for trouble.
Farix
Miles Rost
> It's bad enough that there are a few that refuse to post to AFSM, claims
> it's to much effort. But that is just asking for trouble.
>
> Farix
BTW, Farix...I need your WG...P-R-O-N-T-O. ^_^v
Farix
> Farix wrote:
>
> > It's bad enough that there are a few that refuse to post to AFSM, claims
> > it's to much effort. But that is just asking for trouble.
> >
> > Farix
>
> BTW, Farix...I need your WG...P-R-O-N-T-O. ^_^v
No you don't. <G> But I did post one over a month ago.
Farix
Korb
No, it's not moderated in a "approve every post" type of thing, but there
are designated moderators on it that can kick people off of it and all that
good stuff.
Korb (owner of the ML from birth till...um, sometime)
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Korb
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You do realize that you are adding to the problems by not posting to the ML
as well as AFSM.
It's one thing to rebel. It's another to set a good example.
Korb
Farix
news:tmuj63l...@corp.supernews.com...
Oh bit me, Korb. The mailing list is only there for those who wants ensure
that most of the OW!er get their post. And I prefer not to use it. IT IS
NOT A GOD DAMN REPLACEMENT!!!
Farix
Kane Magus
after all. *shrug* Not trying to start another NS flood or anything, but at
least this *is* relevant to the OW! and isn't about pitbulls or whatever.
Farix wrote:
> o Dump the mailing list and return OW! to AFSM.
>
> I personally feel that the mailing list is directly responsible for this
> problem, which is one of the reasons why I wont post to it.
Pseudo-Chan wrote:
<snip>
> The mailing list is a complement to the newsgroup, not a replacement. Our
> posts are still going to AFSM as well, the ML just allows people to keep up
> to date on them without the fear of their newsfeed skipping/deleting posts,
> as well as providing an effective archive.
>
> So long as the posts continue to be posted to both media, as is supposed to
> be the case, then truly what harm is it doing?
Adrian Tymes wrote:
<snip>
> I believe Farix's complaint is that not all the ML posts are being
> forwarded to AFSM, especially the NS ones (extra-useful for bringing in
> lurkers), and furthermore that AFSM posts tend to be ignored in favor
> of ML posts (so, for instance, an AFSM-only poster like Farix would not
> be able to interact that well), thus leading those who aren't on the ML
> to lose track of what's going on.
>
> Not saying (yet) whether I agree with this complaint or not, just
> trying to get it stated clearly for the record. Farix: did I get your
> complaint right? Did I leave any bits out?
Farix wrote some more:
<snip>
> That's part of it. Despite all of these talk that the mailing list is a
> complement to the AFSM, the reality is completely different. It has
> effectively replaced AFSM. Only 8 or 9 people post to the newsgroup
> nowdays.
While I don't agree that the Mailing List is the bane of the OW! and should
be dumped in favor of posting solely to alt.fan.sailor-moon, I do agree that
the newsgroup shouldn't be overlooked either. I personally try to post to
*both* the ML and afsm whenever possible and I encourage all who participate
in the OW! to do so as well, if you're not doing so already. It's not that
hard to add the newsgroup as a recipient of your post (at least it's not for
me anyway). And I don't see what's so evil about joining and using the ML,
either.
Still, there have been times when I have been unable to access the NG for
whatever reason and without the Mailing List I would have been out of luck
(before there was a ML I pretty much *was* out of luck and had to rely on
people forwarding me via email copies of posts that I'd missed). It was
for situations like this, as well as the occasional lost post that would
be swallowed whole never to be seen again, that the ML was created. The ML
was not created to replace afsm and should not do so.
I remember that for a time before the ML was created, I used to have a huge
address book of all known participants in the OW! at the time to which I'd
CC my posts in addition to sending them to afsm. If you think x-posting to
both the ML and the NG is a pain in the ass, just try *that* for a post or
two. >_>;
--
Kane Magus (who only copy/pasted the part of the discussion to which he was
replying to the ML. If you want to see the rest of it, go look
on afsm. :P)
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Miles Rost
> be dumped in favor of posting solely to alt.fan.sailor-moon, I do agree that
> the newsgroup shouldn't be overlooked either. I personally try to post to
> *both* the ML and afsm whenever possible and I encourage all who participate
> in the OW! to do so as well, if you're not doing so already. It's not that
> hard to add the newsgroup as a recipient of your post (at least it's not for
> me anyway). And I don't see what's so evil about joining and using the ML,
> either.
>
> Still, there have been times when I have been unable to access the NG for
> whatever reason and without the Mailing List I would have been out of luck
> (before there was a ML I pretty much *was* out of luck and had to rely on
> people forwarding me via email copies of posts that I'd missed). It was
> for situations like this, as well as the occasional lost post that would
> be swallowed whole never to be seen again, that the ML was created. The ML
> was not created to replace afsm and should not do so.
I agree with Kane whole heartedly.
Neo Sailor Khyron, Kerochan No Miko
ML
> > as well as AFSM.
> > It's one thing to rebel. It's another to set a good example.
> Oh bit me, Korb. The mailing list is only there for those who wants
ensure
> that most of the OW!er get their post. And I prefer not to use it. IT IS
> NOT A GOD DAMN REPLACEMENT!!!
And...because it's not a replacement, you refuse to make sure people get
your posts?
Ooookay.
I really don't understand why you're so dead-set against cc'ing posts to the
mailing lists. It's not going to eat your children and burn down your house
or something.
--
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* ...your logic is not like our earth logic...
* serenity -@- diespammers byu net
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Farix
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>
> "Farix" <fa...@stargate.net> wrote in message
> news:tmulq76...@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Korb" <ko...@godisdead.com> wrote in message
> > > You do realize that you are adding to the problems by not posting to
the
> ML
> > > as well as AFSM.
> > > It's one thing to rebel. It's another to set a good example.
> > Oh bit me, Korb. The mailing list is only there for those who wants
> ensure
> > that most of the OW!er get their post. And I prefer not to use it. IT
IS
> > NOT A GOD DAMN REPLACEMENT!!!
>
> And...because it's not a replacement, you refuse to make sure people get
> your posts?
>
> Ooookay.
>
> I really don't understand why you're so dead-set against cc'ing posts to
the
> mailing lists. It's not going to eat your children and burn down your
house
> or something.
First, I choose to practice my warrior ways without the safety net of the
mailing list. And frankly, I'm sick and tired of everyone complaining that
I don't forward my posts to the mailing list, then turn around and coddle
those who won't post to the newsgroup.
Farix
Neo Sailor Khyron, Kerochan No Miko
> First, I choose to practice my warrior ways without the safety net of the
> mailing list. And frankly, I'm sick and tired of everyone complaining
that
> I don't forward my posts to the mailing list, then turn around and coddle
> those who won't post to the newsgroup.
Ah, so instead of actually saying something about it, you're going to mimic
their behavior only in reverse, as well as potentially cause OW! continuity
problems because someone's newsfeed didn't pick up your post. That's
productive.
--
* Neo Sailor Khyron, Kerochan no Miko
* play in my sandbox or don't play with me at all
Pook!
Well now, I don't know about "coddling." I do my fair share of griping
at people who don't post to the NG, and I also help forward messages to
the NG for people without Usenet access if they ask. And sometimes when
they don't, as I've forwarded some of your posts to the ML in the past
;)
The problem is that some people legitimately have no access to Usenet
from their ISP. Not posting, anyway. Since the demise of Deja, there's
not really a way for people who don't get Usenet service through their
ISP to post to the newsgroup which is the only reason I can think of
that people would be less harsh about it. Also your
very...ummm...militant attitude about it tends to put people on the
defensive since polite suggestions haven't worked where a gentle prod is
usually enough to help remind people to post to the NG.
I will admit myself that as of late I've taken a very relaxed stance on
whether or not posts should be sent to the NG at all even though I
personally always did, and I realize that it was wrong now that we have
such a lack of new members coming in as a direct result. AFSM hasn't
been a very interesting place for me lately, and a large part of that
I'm sure is because a lot of other Oldbie people like me started
ignoring it, which lead to less interesting posts, which lead to more
people ignoring it, lather, rinse, repeat. I agree that posting to the
NG should be absolutely mandatory - but I also think that posting to the
ML should be mandatory as well. It's not such a big deal to either send
your post twice, put in two recipient lines instead of one or have
someone send it along to the other medium if you don't have access. In
fact, as I said in my poll I think going on #ow on IRC every once in a
while should be strongly encouraged also - the more we all have to talk
to and deal with each other, the less misuderstandings will come about
and the stronger group we'll become.
Basically, though, the overall point is that the OtakuWars! is fading,
people. The more we bicker about minor points like this the less
attractive it'll look to people who are thinking about getting involved
- people who, by the way, will get more and more sparse over time just
because of the nature of AFSM since it deals with a relatively old show
that has had its heyday pass in both Japan and America. But that's a
whole different story. The OW! could die a natural fading death or it
could keep puttering along for decades for all we know, but it just
tears me up to see the relationships within it get diminished by stuff
like this.
--Pook! ^_^ (And her two goddamn cents)
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Adrian Tymes
> The problem is that some people legitimately have no access to Usenet
> from their ISP. Not posting, anyway. Since the demise of Deja, there's
> not really a way for people who don't get Usenet service through their
> ISP to post to the newsgroup which is the only reason I can think of
> that people would be less harsh about it.
Among others...but that's basically Deja's new address.
Re the not getting harsh: some of us just want to live and let live,
y'know? Encouragement, to a point, is cool, especially encouragement
away from that which will do harm. It's a matter of degree, and
making sure the cure is not worse than the disease.
Peace, all. ^_^
Pook!
>
> "Pook!" wrote:
> > The problem is that some people legitimately have no access to Usenet
> > from their ISP. Not posting, anyway. Since the demise of Deja, there's
> > not really a way for people who don't get Usenet service through their
> > ISP to post to the newsgroup which is the only reason I can think of
> > that people would be less harsh about it.
>
> http://groups.google.com/
>
> Among others...but that's basically Deja's new address.
The last time I checked, though, which admittedly was a while back, you
could only reply to existing threads through it, you couldn't create
your own new thread, which is a big drawback for a lot of OW! posts.
--Pook! ^_^
Adrian Tymes
> Adrian Tymes wrote:
> > "Pook!" wrote:
> > > The problem is that some people legitimately have no access to Usenet
> > > from their ISP. Not posting, anyway. Since the demise of Deja, there's
> > > not really a way for people who don't get Usenet service through their
> > > ISP to post to the newsgroup which is the only reason I can think of
> > > that people would be less harsh about it.
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/
> >
> > Among others...but that's basically Deja's new address.
>
> The last time I checked, though, which admittedly was a while back, you
> could only reply to existing threads through it, you couldn't create
> your own new thread, which is a big drawback for a lot of OW! posts.
They seem to have fixed that.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alt.fan.sailor-moon&meta=site%3Dgroups
has a "Post new message to alt.fan.sailor-moon" link, though you do
have to log in (people who had My Deja accounts have a special link at
the http://groups.google.com/ page, presumably to take care of this),
and it looks like account creation involves no tranfer of money.
Asuka
poster. The new interface for search is great. The new interface for
read and write of groups strictly blows. At the time Deja sold over to
goggle, some things were geting worse but the interface was rather sound for
read and write to groups. Things were well organized under personal
profiles. The same can't be said about the new google groups. I can go
digging for the group if need be to post there but I can't just click on it
from a main screen and pull up the posts like I used to. For anything
except looking at archived messages it sort of sucks honestly.
The options past google for anyone who does not have USENET access through
their ISPs is very limited in the free department. For this reason more
than any other was the reason that I didn't post here for a long time. I
find downloading the headers to a group this sixe (or at least its former
size) to be a pain which is why I prefered Deja before it's demise (they
also tended to filter out much of the repetative troll psts and uber cross
posts). Anyhow that is my deja/google USENET impaired spell. If someone
got lost from the deja sell out to goggle and they haven't come back yet,
they probably won't be in the future either.
-A
"Adrian Tymes" <win...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3B6F77F0...@pacbell.net...
Craxton
"Neo Sailor Khyron, Kerochan No Miko" <*tenshi*@*nospam*bigplanet*com*>
>
> "Farix" <fa...@stargate.net> wrote in message
> news:tmup7bp...@corp.supernews.com...
> > First, I choose to practice my warrior ways without the safety net of
the
> > mailing list. And frankly, I'm sick and tired of everyone complaining
> that
> > I don't forward my posts to the mailing list, then turn around and
coddle
> > those who won't post to the newsgroup.
>
> Ah, so instead of actually saying something about it, you're going to
mimic
> their behavior only in reverse, as well as potentially cause OW!
continuity
> problems because someone's newsfeed didn't pick up your post. That's
> productive.
>
Allow the newbie a few comments here...
First, I don't think continuity is such a big problem. I've played in games
like this before, and the plotlines always wind up full of holes,
contradictions, and implausabilities anyway.
Second, what's wrong with checking deja.com for posts you've missed?
Third, if it's such a big deal, why not just split the continuity in two and
have one story arc going on on the ML and another on AFSM?
-Craxton
Pseudo-Chan
> First, I don't think continuity is such a big problem. I've played in
games
> like this before, and the plotlines always wind up full of holes,
> contradictions, and implausabilities anyway.
Discontinuity's not so much an insurmountable problem as it is an annoyance.
We've been plagued with discontinuity since the First Generation, and even
with the ML, the chances that discontinuity will fade are nil.
Discontinuity and the Wars! tend to go hand in hand.
What is a problem is the fact that, when a post is for whatever reason lost,
deleted, delayed, or eaten by the newsfeed, others may end up not recieving
it at all, and thus effectively 'ignore' it out of continuity (whether
intentionally or not). Someone goes through the effort of writing a post,
to entertain the readers of the Wars!, is it so much that they expect it to
get read?
The Mailing List has allowed a much greater reliability in this aspect, and
it's pretty much guaranteed that if you cc a copy of the post to the ML, it
will be recieved. Newsfeeds tend to be finicky creatures at times.
> Second, what's wrong with checking deja.com for posts you've missed?
Deja. Ugh. Newsfeeds tend to be finicky creatures at times, and deja tends
to be finicky by newsfeed standards. Although I haven't played with it much
since google took it over.
> Third, if it's such a big deal, why not just split the continuity in two
and
> have one story arc going on on the ML and another on AFSM
Because the ML is, as mentioned before, not a replacement for AFSM. It was
meant to provide a reliable method for people to get the posts in a timely
fashion, and doubles as an archive. Splitting continuity into two (besides
being needlessly confusing and making my head hurt) just defeats the whole
point.
My .02c worth.
Pook!
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [OW!][NS] New poll for otakuwars
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:33:28 -0400
From: "Dion Torraville" <owsf...@eudoramail.com>
Reply-To: otak...@yahoogroups.com
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To: otak...@yahoogroups.com
Forward to the newsgroup for me Pook! as I'm sure
Farix won't see it otherwise. >_>
*runs back to work*
Here's my take on the newsgroup/mailing list deal.
1. NS posts, which Adrian say are more useful for
attracting newbies anyway, SHOULD primarily go to
the newsgroup. Personally, I don't see a reason to
send copies of them to the ML unless they cover
something important like url changes, special events,
etc etc. (It -would- result in those interested in
reading NS posts to get back into the newsgroup while
limiting the spam in everyone else's inboxes.)
2. If nothing else, the ML is a reliable backup/archive
of our Otaku Wars! history. What did we use before
this? People collecting them manually (and thus
it ends up being 1-3 years before they get to a website
and it keeps falling further behind as time goes on)
and Dejanews. (And what a surprise that we lost deja's
backup for a long while, if google ever -did- manage
to make it accessible again.) With the ML, the
archive is up to date. period. Please ensure that
your Otaku Warrior days are archived properly and
cc your posts to it.
3. A newbie can easily find ample lurking material
on the ML archive, even if their newsfeed doesn't
save the posts very long due to limited space their
provider gives to the newsgroup. (MUN tended to give
a lot of space, but these days posts come and go within
half a week.)
4. Ensure all in continuity posts go to the newsgroup.
If you're a newbie or old-timer that has a post to make
and can not reach the newsgroup yourself (And you
detest google/deja) simply ask a fellow author to
forward it for you. It's as simple as that.
Being a prune and boycotting the ML is not doing
either yourself or anyone else a favour. You're
fighting fire with fire, complaining that 'since they
won't post to the newsgroup, I won't post to the ML!'.
Instead, REMIND THEM AT THE TOP OF YOUR OWN FORWARDED
POSTS TO POST TO THE NEWSGROUP, OR HAVE SOMEONE ELSE
FORWARD THEIR POSTS FOR THEM! If you're actually
an active poster, instead of someone who posts once
a month, that will mean you will be reminding the
slacker authors a LOT. Persistance will pay off.
When the ML was first going in, I initially thought
somewhat like Farix. Then after a good night's sleep
I pondered over what harm it would do, if it was
utilized correctly. The answer, none.
There was a period when hardly anybody other than
3-4 people forwarded their posts to the newsgroup
properly. I got pissed over it as the only newbies
to join at that time were people that knew existing
authors. IE: Sailor Jake (via Polaris) Kobanal
(via me.) and a couple others. People started getting
better at forwarding after that, although I'm sure
we're still not at 100% yet.
Farix said only about 8-9 people post to the newsgroup
still? Well, if I were to count offhand, I'd say
about 10-11 people are actually posting to the ML
at any regular interval.
It is NOT REQUIRED to recieve OW! posts via the ML.
It is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, -ESPECIALLY- for archive
purposes, to forward your posts to the ML. This
requires you to join the ML, yes, but the ML can
be set up so that it does not send you posts.
(Hint to anyone thinking of restarting the OW! Sunday
Gazzette... subscribe to the ML with a different
email or something and set it to send as a daily
archive. Then you just have to go through that one
post each day, deleting NS, and replacing actual
posts with a summary.)
--
Mord
And uh, don't forget to read my online comic!
http://www.angelfire.com/anime/otakuwars/crap/ O:)
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Adrian Tymes
> Besides, I'm not gonna let the Wars! end until CapeMike is the supreme ruler
> and lord over all!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......
Ano...isn't (alternate) CapeMike already there? ^_^;