What BUGS you most about the OP Hints?
Rebecca Webb
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I must say, I found the hints about OP incredibly disturbing and I'm
trying to figure out why. Maybe I'm just oversensitive because of how
depressing life has been for a long while now for some folks, but do these
things bother others as much as they bother me?
1. The idea that the wizarding world splits in reaction to the
possibility of a terrorist's return to power and many blame the situation
on Harry Potter. Thanks for the validation, JKR, but I am SOOO not ready
to read something like that in the near future...
2. "Impotence" among the authorities at Hogwarts. Boy, I hope that means
they've placed ministry personnel at the school, kinda like dementors in
PA. The thought of any diminishment of the powerful
Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
RW
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> means they've placed ministry personnel at the school, kinda like
> dementors in PA. The thought of any diminishment of the powerful
> Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
What it probably means is that Dumbledore et al must constantly
contend without the authority to take action, especially in light of
Fudge, who is probably Slytherinish enough to fire any MoM officials
who contend that Volemort has returned.
Regards,
John
Andy Platt
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> I must say, I found the hints about OP incredibly disturbing and I'm
> trying to figure out why. Maybe I'm just oversensitive because of how
> depressing life has been for a long while now for some folks, but do these
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> 1. The idea that the wizarding world splits in reaction to the
> possibility of a terrorist's return to power and many blame the situation
> on Harry Potter. Thanks for the validation, JKR, but I am SOOO not ready
> to read something like that in the near future...
It would kind of bug me if this didn't happen since that is precisely the
scenario that book 4 left off with!!!
> 2. "Impotence" among the authorities at Hogwarts. Boy, I hope that means
> they've placed ministry personnel at the school, kinda like dementors in
> PA. The thought of any diminishment of the powerful
> Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
Again, this is a clear follow-on from books 3 and 4.
I think you are going to be even more disturbed with book 6 and positively
insane with book 7. Perhaps for your sanity you will need to stop reading
the books till the last few chapters of book 7 when everything becomes right
in the wizarding world again! ;)
Andy.
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I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
Rebecca Webb
> > 1. The idea that the wizarding world splits in reaction to the
> > possibility of a terrorist's return to power and many blame the situation
> > on Harry Potter. Thanks for the validation, JKR, but I am SOOO not ready
> > to read something like that in the near future...
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> It would kind of bug me if this didn't happen since that is precisely the
> scenario that book 4 left off with!!!
How do you figure? I got the idea that some are ready to believe he's
back and some aren't, but nowhere did I get the impression that folks
wanted to blame Harry Potter for his return.
> > 2. "Impotence" among the authorities at Hogwarts. Boy, I hope that means
> > they've placed ministry personnel at the school, kinda like dementors in
> > PA. The thought of any diminishment of the powerful
> > Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
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> Again, this is a clear follow-on from books 3 and 4.
Again, where in books 3 and 4 do you get the idea that Snape, Dumbledore
and McGonagall are going to become less capable (impotent) as the books
continue? They sure felt like a force to be reckoned with near the end of
GF as they glowered from the foe glass...
doug
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>> > 2. "Impotence" among the authorities at Hogwarts. Boy, I hope
>> > that means they've placed ministry personnel at the school, kinda
>> > like dementors in PA. The thought of any diminishment of the
>> > powerful Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
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>> Again, this is a clear follow-on from books 3 and 4.
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> Again, where in books 3 and 4 do you get the idea that Snape,
> Dumbledore and McGonagall are going to become less capable (impotent)
> as the books continue? They sure felt like a force to be reckoned
> with near the end of GF as they glowered from the foe glass...
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I agree with Rebecca. there is no reason to think that the Trio of D, M ,
and S will be "impontent." They will have a lot to deal with and pull
through.
Kevin Karpenske
> Again, where in books 3 and 4 do you get the idea that Snape,
> Dumbledore and McGonagall are going to become less capable
> (impotent) as the books continue? They sure felt like a force to be
> reckoned with near the end of GF as they glowered from the foe
> glass...
Nowhere in the "spoiler" is it said that the school teachers are going
to *become* impotent. It just says that Harry has to deal with their
impotence.
To a degree, they're *already* impotent - which is precisely why this
particular "hint" isn't even a spoiler. Harry has *already* had to
deal with their impotence.
In book 2, Dumbledore is temporarily deposed as Headmaster, and Hagrid
is thrown in Azkaban.
In book 3, Dementors are placed at the school despite Dumbledore's
strong objection.
In book 4, Fudge brings a Dementor into the castle, to the
interrogation of a vital witness and suspect, against Dumbledore's
explicit forbiddance.
Each of these incidents led to serious consequences for the school;
they were forced on the Hogwarts teachers against their will. Now that
there has been a "parting of the ways" between Hogwarts and the
Ministry, it is only logical to assume that the Ministry will begin
inflicting even worse decisions on the school, against which the
teachers can only cope, lest they be branded as law-breakers.
The Hogwarts teachers must still operate within the bounds of the law,
but the law is controlled by the Ministry. In this way, the Hogwarts
teachers are impotent - not by some shortcoming on their part.
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Kevin Karpenske, krk at wildfox dot com
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>> > 1. The idea that the wizarding world splits in reaction to the
>> > possibility of a terrorist's return to power and many blame the situation
>> > on Harry Potter. Thanks for the validation, JKR, but I am SOOO not ready
>> > to read something like that in the near future...
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>> It would kind of bug me if this didn't happen since that is precisely the
>> scenario that book 4 left off with!!!
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>How do you figure? I got the idea that some are ready to believe he's
>back and some aren't, but nowhere did I get the impression that folks
>wanted to blame Harry Potter for his return.
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As I read it, they aren't blaming Harry for Voldy's return, but
dismissing the story of his return as the delusions of 14-year-old
who's (supposedly) obsessed with obtaining fame for himself.
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"Bother," said the Borg, "we just assimilated Pooh."
Loriba
Rebecca Webb wrote:
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> > > 1. The idea that the wizarding world splits in reaction to the
> > > possibility of a terrorist's return to power and many blame the situation
> > > on Harry Potter. Thanks for the validation, JKR, but I am SOOO not ready
> > > to read something like that in the near future...
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> > It would kind of bug me if this didn't happen since that is precisely the
> > scenario that book 4 left off with!!!
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> How do you figure? I got the idea that some are ready to believe he's
> back and some aren't, but nowhere did I get the impression that folks
> wanted to blame Harry Potter for his return.
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Nowhere in the book 5 blurb does it mention anyone blaming Harry for Voldemort's
return. The impression I get from it is that the people who don't believe V
*has* returned are angry at Harry for lying about it and (in their view) trying
to cause trouble by doing so.
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Loriba
Rebecca Webb wrote:
Sorry about the second post, but I forgot to reply to this bit.
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> > > 2. "Impotence" among the authorities at Hogwarts. Boy, I hope that means
> > > they've placed ministry personnel at the school, kinda like dementors in
> > > PA. The thought of any diminishment of the powerful
> > > Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
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> > Again, this is a clear follow-on from books 3 and 4.
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> Again, where in books 3 and 4 do you get the idea that Snape, Dumbledore
> and McGonagall are going to become less capable (impotent) as the books
> continue? They sure felt like a force to be reckoned with near the end of
> GF as they glowered from the foe glass...
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At the end of PoA Harry acknowledges his astonishment at the fact that Dumbledore
is unable to prevent Sirius from being locked up and 'kissed'. He says (through
the narrator) that this is the first time he realises that Dumbledore isn't able
to solve any problem. So at this point Dumbledore begins to lose some of his
omnipotence in Harry's eyes. This is then reinforced by the events at the end of
GoF when Dumbledore is unable to convince Fudge of the truth.
I think the point is that the characters *don't * become more impotent as the
books continue, just that Harry's perception of them changes over time.
I'd provide proper quotes from the books, but for some reason I didn't bring them
to work with me...
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Loriba
Dennis Maggard
Or properly protect Harry in the first place even earlier in the book.
Dumbledore's apparent ineffectualness in book four is one of the
things that bugs me about it, but maybe I and other readers are just
learning along with Harry.
>I think the point is that the characters *don't * become more impotent as the
>books continue, just that Harry's perception of them changes over time.
It's partly due to events, but, more than anything, it's simply a
function of Harry growing up.
Dennis
Richard Eney
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>> > 1. The idea that the wizarding world splits in reaction to the
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>> It would kind of bug me if this didn't happen since that is precisely
>> the scenario that book 4 left off with!!!
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>How do you figure? I got the idea that some are ready to believe he's
>back and some aren't, but nowhere did I get the impression that folks
>wanted to blame Harry Potter for his return.
I think that will be the new problem in book 5. Technically, if Harry
hadn't tried to get the PS/SS to save it from Voldemort, it would have
been safely hidden in the mirror. If Harry hadn't actively prevented the
death of the minor villain in CoS, that person wouldn't have lived to run
away, meet Voldemort, and begin serving him again, which led directly to
the events of book #4 and the return of Voldy into a body. So Harry
actually _is_ responsible for Voldemort's return; it's just that it was
the result of actions that were in themselves good but allowed an
unfortunate result.
=Tamar
Petrea Mitchell
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> 2. "Impotence" among the authorities at Hogwarts. Boy, I hope that means
> they've placed ministry personnel at the school, kinda like dementors in
> PA. The thought of any diminishment of the powerful
> Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
I think this probably refers to the board of governors of Hogwarts. Remember
they've got at least one Death Eater among them...
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> > PA. The thought of any diminishment of the powerful
> > Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
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> I think this probably refers to the board of governors of Hogwarts. Remember
> they've got at least one Death Eater among them...
If you mean Lucious Malfoy, you might recall that he was sacked at the
end of book #2. So he is no longer on the board. Other members of the
board might be deatheaters, though I doubt it (he would not have had to
threaten all eleven of them if any of them were).
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brid
Surely at his age DD is entitled to be "Impotent" What is the wizard
equivalent of viagra? I suppose a flick of the wand and Wingardium
Leviosa might work.
Alternately he already is "Impotent" he's the headmaster of a very
prestigious school The people who wrote the blurb just can't spell!!!
BriD
Tim Bruening
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Just ask Snape for an aphrodisiac potion!:)
Tim Bruening
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> I must say, I found the hints about OP incredibly disturbing and I'm
> trying to figure out why. Maybe I'm just oversensitive because of how
> depressing life has been for a long while now for some folks, but do these
> things bother others as much as they bother me?
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> 1. The idea that the wizarding world splits in reaction to the
> possibility of a terrorist's return to power and many blame the situation
> on Harry Potter. Thanks for the validation, JKR, but I am SOOO not ready
> to read something like that in the near future...
I suspect that many wizards think that Harry Potter is falsely saying that
Voldemort is back for some reason, or that he's crazy. What reason would
Potter have to lie about such a thing (in the view of a Cornelius Fudge)?
> 2. "Impotence" among the authorities at Hogwarts. Boy, I hope that means
> they've placed ministry personnel at the school, kinda like dementors in
> PA. The thought of any diminishment of the powerful
> Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Ministry personnel, sort of like political
officers in the militaries of dictatorships.
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Rebecca Webb wrote:
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> > > 1. The idea that the wizarding world splits in reaction to the
> > > possibility of a terrorist's return to power and many blame the situation
> > > on Harry Potter. Thanks for the validation, JKR, but I am SOOO not ready
> > > to read something like that in the near future...
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> > It would kind of bug me if this didn't happen since that is precisely the
> > scenario that book 4 left off with!!!
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> How do you figure? I got the idea that some are ready to believe he's
> back and some aren't, but nowhere did I get the impression that folks
> wanted to blame Harry Potter for his return.
Maybe the skeptics blame Harry for triggering dissension and fear by claiming that
Voldemort had returned.
Richard Eney
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>> I got the idea that some are ready to believe he's
>>back and some aren't, but nowhere did I get the impression that folks
>>wanted to blame Harry Potter for his return.
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>I think that will be the new problem in book 5.
>If Harry hadn't actively prevented the
>death of the minor villain in CoS, that person wouldn't have lived to run
>away, meet Voldemort, and begin serving him again, which led directly to
>the events of book #4 and the return of Voldy into a body. So Harry
>actually _is_ responsible for Voldemort's return; it's just that it was
>the result of actions that were in themselves good but allowed an
>unfortunate result.
I just wanted to add that Harry did think of that, and Dumbledore said it
wasn't his fault at all, that what he did was noble, and the consequences
of any action are too complex to predict. But that won't stop other
people from thinking of it simplistically.
=Tamar
Richard Eney
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>> 2. "Impotence" among the authorities at Hogwarts. Boy, I hope that means
>> they've placed ministry personnel at the school, kinda like dementors in
>> PA. The thought of any diminishment of the powerful
>> Dumbledore/McGonagall/Snape trio just horrifies me.
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>I wouldn't be surprised to see Ministry personnel, sort of like political
>officers in the militaries of dictatorships.
Imagine what'll happen to any Ministry droid who is put in charge of
Slytherin. ;-)
=Tamar
Tim Bruening
Richard Eney wrote:
Since many Slytherins seem to be pro-Voldemort and anti-Potter, why would they
object to anti-Potter droids?
Rebecca Webb
> > Imagine what'll happen to any Ministry droid who is put in charge of
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> Since many Slytherins seem to be pro-Voldemort and anti-Potter, why would they
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I think the question has more to do with how well a weak-willed moron
would fare on a day to day basis trying to ride herd over the Slytherins.
Richard Eney
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>Since many Slytherins seem to be pro-Voldemort and anti-Potter, why would
>they object to anti-Potter droids?
They probably would have no problem with anti-Potter droids, or would at
least be neutral about it. I can see a 7th-year Slytherin thinking "Oh
get over it, you idiots, it's just Quidditch. I have exams to study for"
while dutifully cheering for public appearance's sake.
We don't know that many Slytherins are pro-Voldemort. They seem to be
pro-Slytherin and anti-Gryffindor, because of the House competition
system. However, according to the Sorting Hat, the primary characteristic
of a Slytherin is to stop at nothing to get what they want for themselves.
They would only be pro-Voldemort if they believed there was something in
it for them.
Now consider that what an individual Slytherin wants would probably clash
with what another Slytherin wants. They'd be at each other's throats from
day two, if it weren't for being controlled by the teachers (and some
entangling alliances, like Crabbe and Goyle following Malfoy - I assume
because he gives them sweets and probably helps them cheat on their
homework, assuming it isn't set up by their respective parents).
Anyway, a gang of Slytherins without a head of House that can defeat them
easily are likely to decide they'll run the House their own way, and do
whatever is necessary (imperius curse?) to make the temporary head of
house go along with it. Now insert a typical Ministry droid, probably one
who thinks it'll be easy to handle a bunch of kids and ignores them while
he tries to do some other little errands. If he isn't overtly and
immediately known to be a Voldemort supporter, any real Voldemort
supporters in Slytherin will go after him. On the other hand, if he is
immediately known to support V., the rest will go after him.
It's even possible that a few Slytherins are genuinely loyal to Snape.
He has actually tried to support the side, wearing a green scarf to the
Quidditch game where 3/4 of the crowd were supporting Gryffindor, etc.
Even if they don't appreciate that, they might believe that he'll be back
and when he does return, he'll have a way to know who did or didn't
support his side.
=Tamar