Sorting other Fictional Characters:
John VanSickle
Dr. Watson: Hufflepuff
Kimball Kinnison (and all the other human Lensmen): Gryffindor
Worsel of Velantia III: Hard to tell; he (like all Second-Stage
Lensmen) has an excellent mind, placing him in Ravenclaw, but his thirst
for revenge against the Overlords of Delgon puts him in Slytherin.
Could go either way.
Tregonsee of Rigel IV: A mind like Worsel's, but "Uncle Trig" has the
placidity and patience that mark Hufflepuff.
Nadreck of Palain VII: Even harder to figure out; the only definite
part is that he lacks entirely the qualities demanded of Gryffindor. He
has the brains for Ravenclaw, the ruthlessness of a Slytherin, and the
patience of a Hufflepuff.
Mentor and all the other Arisians: Ravenclaw to the nth degree.
The Boskonians: Slytherin, every one.
Luke Skywalker: Gryffindor.
Han Solo: Gryffindor, with Slytherin leanings.
Chewbacca: Hufflepuff.
Leia: Toss-up.
Vader: Slytherin, until he turns against Palpatine.
R2D2: Hufflepuff.
C3P0: Definitely *not* Gryffindor, and not really smart enough to be in
Ravenclaw. Not really ambitious enough to be in Slytherin. I guess he
gets into Hufflepuff.
Yoda: Ravenclaw.
We could go on forever with this...
Regards,
John
Fish Eye no Miko
> Sherlock Holmes: They'd rename Ravenclaw after him. Dr. Watson:
> Hufflepuff
No. Watson is quite brave, and not nearly as stupid as people seem to
think. He's a Gryffindor.
Catherine Johnson.
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Arthur Dent - Gryffindor (He's Ron grown up!)
Zaphod Beeblebrox - Slytherin
Ford Prefect - Hufflepuff
Trillian - Ravenclaw
Cotton Ironfounderson - Gryffindor
Sam Vimes - Gryffindor (Although he'd soon be sick of hearing what a
true Gryffindor is supposed to be)
Angua Von Uberwald - Griffindor
Cherry Littlebottom - Ravenclaw
Cecil Nobbs - Hufflepuff
Fred Colon - Hufflepuff
Havelock Vetinari - Slytherin (Probably too ruthless for Ravenclaw)
Mustrum Ridcully - Ravenclaw
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>> We could go on forever with this...
>
> So lets!
>
> Arthur Dent - Gryffindor (He's Ron grown up!)
I've never thought of Dent as being particularly brave. He doesn't seem to
belong anywhere else, though. He's not particularly clever and not really
hard-working, and he certainly lacks ambition. I guess Gryffindor is the
one the least inappropriate.
Not very familiar with the HHGTTG universe, though.
> Cotton Ironfounderson - Gryffindor
Carrot? I don't think his bravery is his most outstanding feature. I think
he's more of a Hufflepuff - he's the hard worker of hard workers.
> Sam Vimes - Gryffindor (Although he'd soon be sick of hearing what a
> true Gryffindor is supposed to be)
Haha, Vimes is a toss-up between Gryffindor and Hufflepuff I'd say.
> Angua Von Uberwald - Griffindor
Yes.
> Cherry Littlebottom - Ravenclaw
Yes.
> Cecil Nobbs - Hufflepuff
Pfft. Nobby's hard-working? I'd say he's most likely a Ravenclaw. I think
Nobby's actually quite clever, but also very ignorant, which is of course
different to being stupid.
> Fred Colon - Hufflepuff
Yes.
> Havelock Vetinari - Slytherin (Probably too ruthless for Ravenclaw)
I agree it's a toss-up. I'm not sure how ambitious he is, but I guess he IS
the ruler of Ankh-Morpork.
> Mustrum Ridcully - Ravenclaw
Ignorance vs stupidity again. Ridcully has a lot of knowledge, but no real
intellect. He's a very lateral thinker. He'd be a Slytherin, I think,
since you need blind ambition to become Archchancellor.
Onto others:
Ponder Stibbons: Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw - he's clever and is the only
member of the faculty who appears to do any real work.
The Bursar: Hufflepuff.
The Dean: Gryffindor, I'd say. He's brave in a clumsy way.
Susan Sto Helit: Hufflepuff. She's constantly working, whether while trying
to lead a normal life or by trying to fix a mess her grandfather made.
Albert: Hufflepuff.
Granny Weatherwax: Ravenclaw.
Nanny Ogg: Hufflepuff.
Magrat: Hufflepuff maybe.
Rincewind: I think he could be in any house that isn't Gryffindor, but I
like to think of him in Slytherin, due to his amibition for normality.
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> This branch of the thread is cross-posted to AFP due to the high
> amount of Discworld characters referenced. A tag has been added for
> this purpose.
>
> The idea, for those of you joining us, is to sort characters from
> other works into the houses of Hogwarts, Harry Potter's school.
>
> "Freezer" <free...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> We could go on forever with this...
>>
>> So lets!
>>
>> Arthur Dent - Gryffindor (He's Ron grown up!)
>
> I've never thought of Dent as being particularly brave. He doesn't
> seem to belong anywhere else, though. He's not particularly clever
> and not really hard-working, and he certainly lacks ambition. I
> guess Gryffindor is the one the least inappropriate.
>
> Not very familiar with the HHGTTG universe, though.
Wasn't thinking so much his bravery, as his similarity to Ron. (Read:
His continual state of bafflement.)
>> Cotton Ironfounderson - Gryffindor
>
> Carrot? I don't think his bravery is his most outstanding feature.
> I think he's more of a Hufflepuff - he's the hard worker of hard
> workers.
Well you'd have to balance that with Carrot's extreme sense of Right
And Wrong. I'd still say Gryffindor.
>> Cecil Nobbs - Hufflepuff
>
> Pfft. Nobby's hard-working? I'd say he's most likely a Ravenclaw.
> I think Nobby's actually quite clever, but also very ignorant, which
> is of course different to being stupid.
I was thinking more of Nobby's sense of loyalty to his friends (mostly
Fred and Vimes)
>> Mustrum Ridcully - Ravenclaw
>
> Ignorance vs stupidity again. Ridcully has a lot of knowledge, but
> no real intellect. He's a very lateral thinker. He'd be a
> Slytherin, I think, since you need blind ambition to become
> Archchancellor.
It's been stated repeatedly that Ridcully has a mind as powerful as a
locomotive. And like a locomotive, it tends to run from point A to
point B and is very hard to divert from a given track.
> Onto others:
>
> Ponder Stibbons: Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw - he's clever and is the
> only member of the faculty who appears to do any real work.
>
> The Bursar: Hufflepuff.
Which house has the best meds? :)
> The Dean: Gryffindor, I'd say. He's brave in a clumsy way.
>
> Susan Sto Helit: Hufflepuff. She's constantly working, whether
> while trying to lead a normal life or by trying to fix a mess her
> grandfather made.
A case could be made for Ravenclaw: Susan's smarter than nearly all
the people around her, and knows it.
> Albert: Hufflepuff.
Re-read "Mort" and tell me he doesn't have "Slytherin" written all
over him.
> Granny Weatherwax: Ravenclaw.
A case could be made for any of the houses for Granny. I tend to
think Gryffindor. (See Vimes)
> Nanny Ogg: Hufflepuff.
Toss in Shawn and Jason as well.
> Magrat: Hufflepuff maybe.
I'd say Ravenclaw. Magrat was probably the most book-intelligent of
the coven. That intelligence just got constantly overridden by her
ideas about The Way Things Ought To Be. Toss Verence in that same
category.
> Rincewind: I think he could be in any house that isn't Gryffindor,
> but I like to think of him in Slytherin, due to his amibition for
> normality.
Ravenclaw would seem to be the best bet, given his gift for languages.
(Assuming the Sorting Hat didn't fall off his head laughing before it
could pick.)
Daniel Speyer
>>Carrot? I don't think his bravery is his most outstanding feature.
>>I think he's more of a Hufflepuff - he's the hard worker of hard
>>workers.
> Well you'd have to balance that with Carrot's extreme sense of Right
> And Wrong. I'd still say Gryffindor.
I'd agree Gryffindor. This is a man who tries to talk D'regs into not
charging (never mind that he succeeds, what's amazing is that he tries),
who arrests a dragon, who actually means it when he says "personal is
not the same as important"....
>
>
>
>>>Cecil Nobbs - Hufflepuff
>>
>>Pfft. Nobby's hard-working? I'd say he's most likely a Ravenclaw.
>>I think Nobby's actually quite clever, but also very ignorant, which
>>is of course different to being stupid.
>
>
> I was thinking more of Nobby's sense of loyalty to his friends (mostly
> Fred and Vimes)
>
Nobby explains loyalty (from Jingo):
# 'Well, I always came back with my shield,' said Nobby. 'No problem
# there.'
#
# 'Nobby,' sighed Colon, 'you used to come back with your shield,
# everyone else's shield, a sack of teeth and fifteen pairs of
# still–warm boots. On a cart.'
#
# 'We–ell, no point in going to war unless you're on the winning side,'
# said Nobby, sticking the white feather in his helmet.
#
# 'Nobby, you was always on the winning side, the reason bein', you used
# to lurk aroun' the edges to see who was winning and then pull the
# right uniform off'f some poor dead sod. I used to hear where the
# generals kept an eye on what you were wearin' so they'd know how the
# battle was going.'
#
# 'Lots of soldiers have served in lots of regiments,' said Nobby.
#
# 'Right, what you say is true. Only not usually during the same
# battle,' said Sergeant Colon.
I think Slytherin.
>>Albert: Hufflepuff.
>
> Re-read "Mort" and tell me he doesn't have "Slytherin" written all
> over him.
He was Slytherinish in his early life (which he sort of returns to in
Mort, but look at his dedication to Death in Hogfather. People do
change (a weakness in the whole sorting system).
>>Rincewind: I think he could be in any house that isn't Gryffindor,
>>but I like to think of him in Slytherin, due to his amibition for
>>normality.
> Ravenclaw would seem to be the best bet, given his gift for languages.
> (Assuming the Sorting Hat didn't fall off his head laughing before it
> could pick.)
I don't think he could be in Hufflepuff -- he tends to abandon his
friends when things get dangerous (or might get dangerous).
I'd take Ravenclaw over Slytherin for him. He usually does know what's
going on (he just doesn't like it).
Matt Harris
"John VanSickle" <evilsna...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Nadreck of Palain VII: Even harder to figure out; the only definite
> part is that he lacks entirely the qualities demanded of Gryffindor. He
> has the brains for Ravenclaw, the ruthlessness of a Slytherin, and the
> patience of a Hufflepuff.
Hufflepuff values hard work though, for its own sake, which Palain's despise
>
> Mentor and all the other Arisians: Ravenclaw to the nth degree.
>
> The Boskonians: Slytherin, every one.
The Hat would sort either an Arisian or Eddorian into whichever house the
wearer chose - the wearer would simply present the right sort of mentality
for the house he/she/it wanted. The reason why the bearer chose to be
sorted in this house would not necessarily be apparent for tens of thousands
of years.
>
> Regards,
> John
Allow me to add -
Elric of Melnibone: Gryfinndor. He is brave and an incarnation of the
Eternal Champion. While smart, he is often clueless of the big picture,
despite his attempts to find it out. Definitely not very loyal or
hardworking. Evil, but not particularly ambitious.
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Rick R.
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> John VanSickle wrote:
>
> > Sherlock Holmes: They'd rename Ravenclaw after him. Dr. Watson:
> > Hufflepuff
>
> No. Watson is quite brave, and not nearly as stupid as people seem to
> think. He's a Gryffindor.
>
> Catherine Johnson.
I agree that Watson is very brave, and he's an MD so clearly he's not
stupid.
However, the characteristic that comes across most strongly is his
loyalty to
Holmes. He's a Hufflepuff. Being a Hufflepuff doesn't mean he's stupid,
or
cowardly -- I think you've underestimated the strength of character
Hufflepuffians
have.
Robyn, Duke of Amber
<fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>John VanSickle wrote:
>
>> Sherlock Holmes: They'd rename Ravenclaw after him. Dr. Watson:
>> Hufflepuff
>
>No. Watson is quite brave, and not nearly as stupid as people seem to
>think. He's a Gryffindor.
>
Agreed. It was Nigel Bruce from the early films which led to the idea
that Watson was a bumbler....ditto Lestrade who was probably a good
cop but just bad at the huge leaps Sherlock made.
Neil
Tom A.
With a name like Hufflepuff - they've got to be good.
Tom A.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
John VanSickle
> "John VanSickle" <evilsna...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Nadreck of Palain VII: Even harder to figure out; the only definite
>>part is that he lacks entirely the qualities demanded of Gryffindor. He
>>has the brains for Ravenclaw, the ruthlessness of a Slytherin, and the
>>patience of a Hufflepuff.
>
> Hufflepuff values hard work though, for its own sake, which Palain's despise
Quite true. I stand corrected.
>>Mentor and all the other Arisians: Ravenclaw to the nth degree.
>>
>>The Boskonians: Slytherin, every one.
>
> The Hat would sort either an Arisian or Eddorian into whichever house the
> wearer chose - the wearer would simply present the right sort of mentality
> for the house he/she/it wanted. The reason why the bearer chose to be
> sorted in this house would not necessarily be apparent for tens of thousands
> of years.
Our analyses differ on the premise of whether the Sorting Hat can be
fooled. If it can, your analysis is correct.
> Allow me to add -
>
> Elric of Melnibone: Gryfinndor. He is brave and an incarnation of the
> Eternal Champion. While smart, he is often clueless of the big picture,
> despite his attempts to find it out. Definitely not very loyal or
> hardworking. Evil, but not particularly ambitious.
At the beginning of _Elric_at_the_End_of_Time_, Elric, caught up in a
sorcerous battle, offers up the whole crew of the ship he's on in order
to purchase the services of a demon. That is a Slytherinish trait.
He does, however, question some of his values, which would plant him in
Gryffindor.
Regards,
John
Robert Carnegie
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>> This branch of the thread is cross-posted to AFP due to the high
>amount of
>> Discworld characters referenced. A tag has been added for this
>purpose.
>
>This, of course, was a lie when I said it. Sorry for the messiness involved
>in replying to my own post just to get the relevant group involved.
>
>Quoting has been neatened so that it looks as though this is the first
>post,
>but no new content will appear after this.
>
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>The idea, for those of you joining us, is to sort characters from other
>works into the houses of Hogwarts, Harry Potter's school.
On this, I personally choose to believe that Hogwarts students
aren't assigned to a House on the basis of the personality traits
they've already got, but on those that they will most benefit from
developing. For instance, if Ravenclaw is for intellectual people,
Hermione Grainger should have been there. But if Ravenclaw is
to /make/ people intellectual, whereas Gryffindor is to /make/
people daring and heroic - well, from one book to another, we see
Miss Grainger more and more daring with respect to, e.g., school
rules, assault and battery of teachers, etc. I blame those two
delinquents she hangs around with. So House choice isn't a final
sentence like the Eleven-Plus exam, it's an opportunity.
On which basis -
>"Freezer" <free...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > We could go on forever with this...
>>
>> So lets!
>>
>> Arthur Dent - Gryffindor (He's Ron grown up!)
>
> I've never thought of Dent as being particularly brave. He doesn't seem
>to
> belong anywhere else, though. He's not particularly clever and not really
> hard-working, and he certainly lacks ambition. I guess Gryffindor is the
> one the least inappropriate.
>
> Not very familiar with the HHGTTG universe, though.
Bravery might help him. But a crash course in deviousness,
ruthlessness, and opportunism would help him more. I'd put him
in Slytherin - it's just what he needs.
>> Cotton Ironfounderson - Gryffindor
>
> Carrot? I don't think his bravery is his most outstanding feature. I
>think
> he's more of a Hufflepuff - he's the hard worker of hard workers.
He's that, but he also starts out insanely heroic. He's always in
the line of duty, and you know what happens to people in the line
of duty. I'd give him the Ravenclaw treatment, so that he can work
smarter, not harder.
>> Sam Vimes - Gryffindor (Although he'd soon be sick of hearing what a
>> true Gryffindor is supposed to be)
>
> Haha, Vimes is a toss-up between Gryffindor and Hufflepuff I'd say.
I want him to be smarter and more political as well; Ravenclaw
again. For sneakiness and the application and misapplication
thereof, his first week in the Watch seems to be as good an
education as Slytherin could possibly give him.
>> Angua Von Uberwald - Griffindor
>
> Yes.
Well, aren't all the werewolves in Gryffindor?
>> Cherry Littlebottom - Ravenclaw
>
> Yes.
Non-human species, though... kitchens? Sorry, but it's that sort of
establishment. Having said that, Flitwick and Hagrid got in. But
we're already stretching a point for Carrot.
>> Cecil Nobbs - Hufflepuff
>
> Pfft. Nobby's hard-working? I'd say he's most likely a Ravenclaw. I
>think
> Nobby's actually quite clever, but also very ignorant, which is of course
> different to being stupid.
>
>> Fred Colon - Hufflepuff
>
> Yes.
>
>> Havelock Vetinari - Slytherin (Probably too ruthless for Ravenclaw)
>
> I agree it's a toss-up. I'm not sure how ambitious he is, but I guess he
>IS
> the ruler of Ankh-Morpork.
And got a very good education in various Dark Arts elsewhere.
Politicians don't /have/ to be Slytherin, or even Hogwarts at all.
>> Mustrum Ridcully - Ravenclaw
>
> Ignorance vs stupidity again. Ridcully has a lot of knowledge, but no real
> intellect. He's a very lateral thinker. He'd be a Slytherin, I think,
> since you need blind ambition to become Archchancellor.
>
> Onto others:
>
> Ponder Stibbons: Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw - he's clever and is the only
> member of the faculty who appears to do any real work.
He evidently has learnt the Slytherin arts, by the time of
_The Science of Discworld_. And a good thing too.
> The Bursar: Hufflepuff.
>
> The Dean: Gryffindor, I'd say. He's brave in a clumsy way.
>
> Susan Sto Helit: Hufflepuff. She's constantly working, whether while
>trying
> to lead a normal life or by trying to fix a mess her grandfather made.
I'm not sure where she fits. Doesn't she seem to feel that
heroism is something that ought to happen to other people?
> Albert: Hufflepuff.
When he turns up back at the University, he carries himself like a
Slytherin - all people should bow down to wizards and all wizards
should bow down to him. And no smoking behind the broom
sheds.
> Granny Weatherwax: Ravenclaw.
>
> Nanny Ogg: Hufflepuff.
>
> Magrat: Hufflepuff maybe.
>
> Rincewind: I think he could be in any house that isn't Gryffindor, but I
> like to think of him in Slytherin, due to his amibition for normality.
I think as a student he barely got around to anything actually
corresponding to work, so he /needs/ a dose of Hufflepuff.
Possibly by intravenous werewolf bite, but see above.
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>>> Arthur Dent - Gryffindor (He's Ron grown up!)
>>
>> I've never thought of Dent as being particularly brave.
>
> His continual state of bafflement.)
That's not what got Ron into Gryffindor, though. You can be almost
identical to someone, but if the one thing that's different is one of the
factors determining your house, you'll end up in different houses.
The Sorting Hat system really is quite poor, and this seems to be done on
purpose. In Order of the Phoenix, one even gets the impression that the
Sorting Hat itself realises the danger of categorising people for the
duration of their school lives.
>>> Cotton Ironfounderson - Gryffindor
>>
>> Carrot? I don't think his bravery is his most outstanding feature.
>> I think he's more of a Hufflepuff - he's the hard worker of hard
>> workers.
>
> Well you'd have to balance that with Carrot's extreme sense of Right
> And Wrong. I'd still say Gryffindor.
Again, though, it doesn't matter how similar he is to A-list Gryffindors -
he's hard working and very loyal, and those are Hufflepuffian qualities.
>>> Cecil Nobbs - Hufflepuff
>>
>> Pfft. Nobby's hard-working? I'd say he's most likely a Ravenclaw.
>> I think Nobby's actually quite clever, but also very ignorant, which
>> is of course different to being stupid.
>
> I was thinking more of Nobby's sense of loyalty to his friends (mostly
> Fred and Vimes)
Ok, I see your point, then.
>> Susan Sto Helit: Hufflepuff. She's constantly working, whether
>> while trying to lead a normal life or by trying to fix a mess her
>> grandfather made.
>
> A case could be made for Ravenclaw: Susan's smarter than nearly all
> the people around her, and knows it.
Agreed. It's probably a toss-up.
>> Albert: Hufflepuff.
>
> Re-read "Mort" and tell me he doesn't have "Slytherin" written all
> over him.
Again, choices determine fate. People evolve over time. Albert's choices
have led him to be Death's servant, and he's now a very hard worker. He's
also very loyal.
> Toss in Shawn and Jason as well.
>
>> Magrat: Hufflepuff maybe.
>
> I'd say Ravenclaw. Magrat was probably the most book-intelligent of
> the coven.
It depends on what sort of intelligence Rowena had in mind. I don't think
that that which is called "book intelligence" is really a type of
intelligence, but rather a label on an ability to store knowledge.
> That intelligence just got constantly overridden by her
> ideas about The Way Things Ought To Be.
Yes, and this is why Granny belongs here more than Magrat. Magrat is only
clever enough to know what witches are meant to be like. Granny is clever
enough to know why they DON'T need to be like that.
>> Rincewind: I think he could be in any house that isn't Gryffindor,
>> but I like to think of him in Slytherin, due to his amibition for
>> normality.
>
> Ravenclaw would seem to be the best bet, given his gift for languages.
> (Assuming the Sorting Hat didn't fall off his head laughing before it
> could pick.)
Actually, on second thoughts, Rincewind probably wouldn't make it far enough
to reach the stool.
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>>The idea, for those of you joining us, is to sort characters from other
>>works into the houses of Hogwarts, Harry Potter's school.
>
> On this, I personally choose to believe that Hogwarts students
> aren't assigned to a House on the basis of the personality traits
> they've already got, but on those that they will most benefit from
> developing.
An interesting theory. Of course, the Sorting Hat contradicts this (it says
that its job is to give the founders' houses the type of kids that they
WANT, not kids that would benefit from becoming more similar to them), but
there's no reason to believe that the Sorting Hat is necessarily being
completely honest.
> So House choice isn't a final
> sentence like the Eleven-Plus exam, it's an opportunity.
Yes, but there is a pattern. Malfoy didn't really need a sense of ambition,
since he had it in abundance already, but he wasn't likely to develop any of
the other houses' traits. I think that, if your theory is correct, it'd
have to be that the personality trait that'd benefit most from its
respective house is considered dominant.
So, on that basis:
>>> Arthur Dent - Gryffindor (He's Ron grown up!)
>>
>> I've never thought of Dent as being particularly brave. He doesn't seem
>> to belong anywhere else, though. He's not particularly clever and not
>> really hard-working, and he certainly lacks ambition. I guess Gryffindor
>> is the one the least inappropriate.
>
> Bravery might help him. But a crash course in deviousness,
> ruthlessness, and opportunism would help him more. I'd put him
> in Slytherin - it's just what he needs.
What he needs? Maybe. However, he probably wouldn't develop it much in
Slytherin. Hufflepuff might suit, since he may accept his life for what it
is and start working properly.
>>> Cotton Ironfounderson - Gryffindor
>>
>> Carrot? I don't think his bravery is his most outstanding feature. I
>> think he's more of a Hufflepuff - he's the hard worker of hard
>> workers.
>
> He's that, but he also starts out insanely heroic. He's always in
> the line of duty, and you know what happens to people in the line
> of duty. I'd give him the Ravenclaw treatment, so that he can work
> smarter, not harder.
It's strange. It seems that your argument is that since Carrot is already
brave and loyal, there's no point in putting him in Gryffindor or
Hufflepuff. This is inconsistent with past instances of sorting. Malfoy
already had ambition, yet he ended up in Slytherin.
>>> Sam Vimes - Gryffindor (Although he'd soon be sick of hearing what a
>>> true Gryffindor is supposed to be)
>>
>> Haha, Vimes is a toss-up between Gryffindor and Hufflepuff I'd say.
>
> I want him to be smarter and more political as well; Ravenclaw
> again.
I don't understand why you keep putting people in the places they belong to
the least. Are you just saying what you'd do if you were the Sorting Hat?
If so, that makes sense, but if not, I find it hard to believe that, based
on evidence in the books, you actually think this is the system the Hat
uses.
>>> Angua Von Uberwald - Griffindor
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Well, aren't all the werewolves in Gryffindor?
...yes, every single last one of them. As far as we know.
>>> Cherry Littlebottom - Ravenclaw
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Non-human species, though... kitchens? Sorry, but it's that sort of
> establishment. Having said that, Flitwick and Hagrid got in. But
> we're already stretching a point for Carrot.
She's a dwarf, not a House Elf. Fleur Delacour was also part Veela, and got
into France's answer to Hogwarts. I think you need to be part-human just to
have Hogwarts-style magical powers, since House Elf magic, for instance, is
different. Cheery, being all dwarf, probably wouldn't get into Hogwarts
since, in the Potterverse, she wouldn't have magical powers. Indeed, she
doesn't in Discworld either.
That's the fun of hypothetical circumstances.
>>> Havelock Vetinari - Slytherin (Probably too ruthless for Ravenclaw)
>>
>> I agree it's a toss-up. I'm not sure how ambitious he is, but I guess he
>> IS the ruler of Ankh-Morpork.
>
> And got a very good education in various Dark Arts elsewhere.
> Politicians don't /have/ to be Slytherin, or even Hogwarts at all.
Heh, I think you're taking this thing too far. It's not so much a question
of "if they were part of the Potterverse, what would happen to them with
regards to arriving Hogwarts?" but rather "based on personality, where do
they suit the best?".
>> Susan Sto Helit: Hufflepuff. She's constantly working, whether while
>> trying to lead a normal life or by trying to fix a mess her grandfather
>> made.
>
> I'm not sure where she fits. Doesn't she seem to feel that
> heroism is something that ought to happen to other people?
Yeah, that's why I leaned towards Hufflepuff instead of Gryffindor. She is
brave, but only in a matter-of-fact kind of way.
--
Steffan
Mike
(I know - top post arrgh, but this applies to all of the below)
I think the hat chooses on what the individual shows the most
potential for - Hermoine is very smart, but has great potential to do
brave things. Malfoy starts ambitious, and only has teh ptoential to
stay that way. Ron doesn't start as particularly brave, but he does
many brave things over the course of the books.
> >>> Arthur Dent - Gryffindor (He's Ron grown up!)
> >>
Sorry, I've got to put him in Huffelpuff. He's loyal, and once he
finds someone worth working for, he'll give anything for them
(Fenchurch from "So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish," for example,
and what he goes through looking for her in "Mostly Harmless".)
> >>> Cotton Ironfounderson - Gryffindor
> >>
> >> Carrot? I don't think his bravery is his most outstanding feature.
> >> I think he's more of a Hufflepuff - he's the hard worker of hard
> >> workers.
> >
> > Well you'd have to balance that with Carrot's extreme sense of Right
> > And Wrong. I'd still say Gryffindor.
>
> Again, though, it doesn't matter how similar he is to A-list Gryffindors -
> he's hard working and very loyal, and those are Hufflepuffian qualities.
But it is his potential for bravery that is his most shining quality.
He's very loyal, and works hard, but he's capable of acting in the
most selfless of ways during a crisis.
> >>> Cecil Nobbs - Hufflepuff
> >>
> >> Pfft. Nobby's hard-working? I'd say he's most likely a Ravenclaw.
> >> I think Nobby's actually quite clever, but also very ignorant, which
> >> is of course different to being stupid.
> >
> > I was thinking more of Nobby's sense of loyalty to his friends (mostly
> > Fred and Vimes)
>
> Ok, I see your point, then.
Please, call him Nobby, and call him a Slytherin. (After the teachers
track him down once he makes off with the Hat, and the stool, and as
much gold as his little body can carry, which is quite a lot, and
Dumbledore's glasses, and...)
> >> Susan Sto Helit: Hufflepuff. She's constantly working, whether
> >> while trying to lead a normal life or by trying to fix a mess her
> >> grandfather made.
> >
> > A case could be made for Ravenclaw: Susan's smarter than nearly all
> > the people around her, and knows it.
>
> Agreed. It's probably a toss-up.
Nah, the 'hard-working' thing is just a cover so she can feel
'normal.' She's got a clear eye to reality, and can prove how much
smarter she is than just about anyone on the Disk (Except, maybe,
Leonard De Quirm, who is also, incidentally, a Ravenclaw.)
> >> Albert: Hufflepuff.
> >
> > Re-read "Mort" and tell me he doesn't have "Slytherin" written all
> > over him.
>
> Again, choices determine fate. People evolve over time. Albert's choices
> have led him to be Death's servant, and he's now a very hard worker. He's
> also very loyal.
Ya know, I've gotta toss him into Slytherin, just because of how he
came to work for Death. It take more than a little arrogance to try to
perform the rite of Ashe-Kente *backwards* and think it'll even slow
the Grim Reaper down.
> >> Magrat: Hufflepuff maybe.
> >
> > I'd say Ravenclaw. Magrat was probably the most book-intelligent of
> > the coven.
>
> It depends on what sort of intelligence Rowena had in mind. I don't think
> that that which is called "book intelligence" is really a type of
> intelligence, but rather a label on an ability to store knowledge.
>
> > That intelligence just got constantly overridden by her
> > ideas about The Way Things Ought To Be.
Which is why she'd take one look at Hogwarts, decide it's not her kind
of place, and take up residency in a shack next to Hagrid's. Magrat's
smart, she's just a tad too idealistic.
> Yes, and this is why Granny belongs here more than Magrat. Magrat is only
> clever enough to know what witches are meant to be like. Granny is clever
> enough to know why they DON'T need to be like that.
Granny? She'd shame McGonnigle into silence with a glance, scare the
robes of Snape and take a seat next to Dumbledore. Where does Granny
belong? Faculty. Maybe she could finally be a permanent fill to that
Dfense Against the Dark Arts chair.
> >> Rincewind: I think he could be in any house that isn't Gryffindor,
> >> but I like to think of him in Slytherin, due to his amibition for
> >> normality.
> >
> > Ravenclaw would seem to be the best bet, given his gift for languages.
> > (Assuming the Sorting Hat didn't fall off his head laughing before it
> > could pick.)
>
> Actually, on second thoughts, Rincewind probably wouldn't make it far enough
> to reach the stool.
Actually, if you read 'Sourcery' or 'The Light Fantastic' you'd see
that Rincewind can be very brave when he knows it's for the greatest
good. Even in 'Interesting Times,' he does some very brave things.
He'll just never admit to them, and constantly seeks out situtations
where they aren't called for.
Hence, (though he'd probably only make fourth year before something
went wrong in a big enough way and he felt it was time to make a run
for it) the Hat would proabably put him in Gryffandor - much to his
housemates eternal chagrin.
(How else can you explain Nevil Longbottom after all?)
Mike
Matthew Seaman
> "Steffan Alun" <sh...@aber.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<ch8coq$jh8$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>...
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> > >>> Cecil Nobbs - Hufflepuff
> > >>
> > >> Pfft. Nobby's hard-working? I'd say he's most likely a Ravenclaw.
> > >> I think Nobby's actually quite clever, but also very ignorant, which
> > >> is of course different to being stupid.
> > >
> > > I was thinking more of Nobby's sense of loyalty to his friends (mostly
> > > Fred and Vimes)
> >
> > Ok, I see your point, then.
>
> Please, call him Nobby, and call him a Slytherin. (After the teachers
> track him down once he makes off with the Hat, and the stool, and as
> much gold as his little body can carry, which is quite a lot, and
> Dumbledore's glasses, and...)
Oh, Nobby isn't totally corrupt. He'd only pilfer things by reflex:
no real conscious intent to steal. A picker-up of unconsidered
trifles, if you will. And speaking of trifle, it doesn't matter what
house you put him in as sooner than you could say 'shazam' he'd be
hanging around the back door to the kitchens (where the dustbins are),
in a nice sheltered nook out of the wind, smoking one of his patent
roll-ups and scrounging food off the house elves.
Either that, or he would pass his time shocking all the portraits
(especially those of the more prim and proper well bought up ladies)
completely rigid by telling the sort of stories that don't have any
truck with all this posh "double entendre" malarkey. Single entendres
were all his family could afford when he was growing up, and he's not
one to get ideas above his station.
Cheers,
Matthew
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>> Yes, and this is why Granny belongs here more than Magrat. Magrat
>> is only clever enough to know what witches are meant to be like.
>> Granny is clever enough to know why they DON'T need to be like
>> that.
>
> Granny? She'd shame McGonnigle into silence with a glance, scare the
> robes of Snape and take a seat next to Dumbledore. Where does Granny
> belong? Faculty. Maybe she could finally be a permanent fill to that
> Dfense Against the Dark Arts chair.
Okay, yes, I *like* that. But there's no need to go knocking McGonnogal.
There might not be room for two like that in one book, theough, even one as
hefty as Order of the Phoenix.
--
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AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons
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Steffan Alun
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>> Granny? She'd shame McGonnigle into silence with a glance, scare the
>> robes of Snape and take a seat next to Dumbledore. Where does Granny
>> belong? Faculty. Maybe she could finally be a permanent fill to that
>> Dfense Against the Dark Arts chair.
>
> Okay, yes, I *like* that. But there's no need to go knocking McGonnogal.
>
> There might not be room for two like that in one book, theough, even one
> as
> hefty as Order of the Phoenix.
Irresistable force versus immovable object time!
That said, handled properly, they COULD meet, and that meeting COULD work.
In Interesting Times, we see the Patrician - the man who can influence
anyone - meet Ridcully - the man whose train of thought cannot be
redirected. And somehow, it works, and neither is shown to be the weaker
man.
Granny would probably be quite a good Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher,
since she prefers the use-magic-only-when-strictly-necessary method to the
use-magic-for-the-sake-of it method. Of course, she probably wouldn't teach
ANY magic in any sort of straightforward way.
--
Steffan
Sarah Warren
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> nate_th...@yahoo.com (Mike) writes:
>
> > "Steffan Alun" <sh...@aber.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> > > "Freezer" <free...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Xns9557E4BE0D273f...@130.133.1.4...
>
> > > >>> Cecil Nobbs - Hufflepuff
> > > >>
> > > >> Pfft. Nobby's hard-working? I'd say he's most likely a Ravenclaw.
> > > >> I think Nobby's actually quite clever, but also very ignorant,
which
> > > >> is of course different to being stupid.
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking more of Nobby's sense of loyalty to his friends
(mostly
> > > > Fred and Vimes)
> > >
> > > Ok, I see your point, then.
> >
> > Please, call him Nobby, and call him a Slytherin. (After the teachers
> > track him down once he makes off with the Hat, and the stool, and as
> > much gold as his little body can carry, which is quite a lot, and
> > Dumbledore's glasses, and...)
>
> Oh, Nobby isn't totally corrupt. He'd only pilfer things by reflex:
> no real conscious intent to steal.
Yes... doesn't Vimes say at some point (I can't for the life of me remember
which book...) that although Nobby has a criminal mind he /doesn't/ have
a criminal soul? Or something close to that. I have overused my brain and
titles have all gone clean out of my head, but I think it's the one where
Nobby.... ahh do I need spoiler space? well the one with the coats of arms
featuring... I'm going to be kicking myself at 3am when I finally
remember the reference.
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>> Oh, Nobby isn't totally corrupt. He'd only pilfer things by reflex:
>> no real conscious intent to steal.
>
> Yes... doesn't Vimes say at some point (I can't for the life of me
> remember
> which book...) that although Nobby has a criminal mind he /doesn't/ have
> a criminal soul? Or something close to that. I have overused my brain and
> titles have all gone clean out of my head, but I think it's the one where
> Nobby.... ahh do I need spoiler space? well the one with the coats of arms
> featuring...
You're thinking of Feet of Clay, but I think the criminal mind/criminal soul
thing is from Men at Arms. I could be wrong, but I read through Feet of
Clay a few weeks ago.
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m.se...@infracaninophile.co.uk "Matthew Seaman" wrote:
> Oh, Nobby isn't totally corrupt. He'd only pilfer things by reflex:
> no real conscious intent to steal. A picker-up of unconsidered
> trifles, if you will.
Nankie-Poo?
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Matthew Seaman
> On 03 Sep, in article
> <867jrby...@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk>
> m.se...@infracaninophile.co.uk "Matthew Seaman" wrote:
>
> > Oh, Nobby isn't totally corrupt. He'd only pilfer things by reflex:
> > no real conscious intent to steal. A picker-up of unconsidered
> > trifles, if you will.
>
> Nankie-Poo?
Autolycus ("a Rogue") in "The Winter's Tale" by that Shakespeare bloke.
Sarah Warren
> You're thinking of Feet of Clay, but I think the criminal mind/criminal
soul
> thing is from Men at Arms. I could be wrong, but I read through Feet of
> Clay a few weeks ago.
You're almost certainly right, I really couldn't remember. Anyway, whichever
one he says that in... I think that Vimes knows Nobby pretty well... so if
he
says Nobby doesn't have a criminal soul, I'm inclined to believe he's read
his
character pretty well. I still don't know where in Hogwarts I'd put Nobby
though.
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> b...@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes:
>
> > On 03 Sep, in article
> > <867jrby...@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk>
> > m.se...@infracaninophile.co.uk "Matthew Seaman" wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, Nobby isn't totally corrupt. He'd only pilfer things by reflex:
> > > no real conscious intent to steal. A picker-up of unconsidered
> > > trifles, if you will.
> >
> > Nankie-Poo?
>
> Autolycus ("a Rogue") in "The Winter's Tale" by that Shakespeare bloke.
Was he the one that winds the king up about his wife supposedly being
unfaithful? So long since I read that...
Carol Hague
> Autolycus ("a Rogue") in "The Winter's Tale" by that Shakespeare bloke.
<sound of penny dropping>
Hence the name of the Xena character. Yet another piece of trivia to
clog up my brain and stop me remembering useful stuff :-)
--
Carol
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>>>The idea, for those of you joining us, is to sort characters from other
>>>works into the houses of Hogwarts, Harry Potter's school.
>>
>> On this, I personally choose to believe that Hogwarts students
>> aren't assigned to a House on the basis of the personality traits
>> they've already got, but on those that they will most benefit from
>> developing.
>
>An interesting theory. Of course, the Sorting Hat contradicts this (it says
>that its job is to give the founders' houses the type of kids that they
>WANT, not kids that would benefit from becoming more similar to them),
>but
>there's no reason to believe that the Sorting Hat is necessarily being
>completely honest.
Well, it says the Founders put their "brains" into it - it being Godric
Gryffindor's own hat originally - so that it would make the
decisions instead of them. This evidently took place before
"Shady" Salazar Slytherin walked off the faculty. It also says that
Gryffindor wanted his house to "Teach all those with brave deeds
to their name", which is a pretty tough qualification at age eleven -
possibly the school did things differently a thousand-odd years
go, and took older students, or perhaps it's because - as I
understand to be the case - ordinary people in Britain at that time
took on adult responsibility at a younger age. For most of
Hogwarts' history, wizards and witches were publicly known.
I don't think the Hat promises that it makes the decisions that the
founders would make. I think it executes a compromise,
somewhere in between the inter-House feud and the departure of
Slytherin.. It describes the three selective House founders as
wanting the most intelligent, the purest-blood, and the officially
brave, and Hufflepuff, who accepts any student, gets the leftovers -
and that doesn't look like an equal division. I'm not sure anyone
said the actual practice is an equal division, even approximately,
but it seems a reasonable way to work.
For that matter, it isn't clear why there's still a Slytherin House after
Slytherin left, but presumably there were other teachers, parents,
and the students themselves, who wanted it to continue.
And the Gryffindor students don't quite look like miniature heroes;
they look like any ordinary group of kids - so I claim that as
supporting my theory that the Hat doesn't find House virtues in the
new students (and the House virtues are not the same as the
Founders' criteria), it decides to inculcate those virtues in
students. I also think it makes more sense then for the Hat to
take the student's wishes into account, as it seems to do. I
suppose that if a student wanted to be, say, Ravenclaw or
Slytherin, but was unsuited, then the Hat would gently but firmly
insist otherwise. Conversely, if a student has a strong prejudice
against a House ethos then there may be little to be gained by
putting them there.
I'm presuming that Slytherin House in particular /doesn't/ exist to
contain all the villain-type students and at least one very nasty
schoolmaster so that the audience knows who to hiss, while
incidentally condemning a quarter of the school's students to
evilness, mutual abuse, and general lack of good social
developement, although that very simple reading of the text can be
taken if one wishes. For that matter, it may be too easy to say that
Slytherin is not good social development. Do they have any
trouble getting Yule Ball partners?
I don't want to play down the possible heroics of the Gryffindor
children before they get to school. Harry laid the smackdown on
Voldemort, of course, and had to survive Dudley. Hermione
evidently received the entirely unexpected news of her destiny with
aplomb, as did some others, Ron has the challenge of finding
self-esteem with a great many successful older siblings, Neville
has had the tragedy of his parents' situation to live with as well as
doubt in his own magical abilities...
House affiliation tends to run in families, too - but isn't rigorously
so. I don't suppose that weighs on my theory either way, anyway.
Siblings certainly would be all pure-blood or all not.
Hogwarts is the only wizard school in Great Britain, but British
students may go elsewhere, and some may not qualify for the
school at all - in either case, one reason could be that they don't fit
any of the Hogwarts Houses. And fees must be paid - I wonder if
poorer students can take out a subsidised-rate bank loan, to be
repaid after graduation?
And I wonder if Harry Potter's year is unusually small? I'd guess
that rather fewer chilidren were concieved and born during the
Voldemort Terror, and quite a lot more immediately afterwards -
with all the parties, for one thing (I'm thinking of conceptions).
>> So House choice isn't a final
>> sentence like the Eleven-Plus exam, it's an opportunity.
>
>Yes, but there is a pattern. Malfoy didn't really need a sense of ambition,
>since he had it in abundance already, but he wasn't likely to develop any
>of
>the other houses' traits. I think that, if your theory is correct, it'd
>have to be that the personality trait that'd benefit most from its
>respective house is considered dominant.
Not necessarily that. I think it falls down on Hermione, because
she goes into the school a fully-formed clever-clogs. I think
Ravenclaw has nothing to offer her in that respect because she's
already got it, but the Hat would have put her there - since she has
to be put somewhere - if it was what she wanted.
And then there's Cedric Diggory, dashing handsome hero - he
was brave enough to enter the deadly Triwizarding Tournament;
Gryffindor material, we might think, but the Hat disagreed.
I submit it was because Cedric didn't need to be helped along in
that direction; /that/ side of his character he was able to develop by
himself.
And then, what about Percy Weasley, Gryffindor prefect? And look
what happens to him.
>So, on that basis:
>
>>>> Arthur Dent - Gryffindor (He's Ron grown up!)
>>>
>>> I've never thought of Dent as being particularly brave. He doesn't
>seem
>>> to belong anywhere else, though. He's not particularly clever and not
>>> really hard-working, and he certainly lacks ambition. I guess
>Gryffindor
>>> is the one the least inappropriate.
>>
>> Bravery might help him. But a crash course in deviousness,
>> ruthlessness, and opportunism would help him more. I'd put him
>> in Slytherin - it's just what he needs.
>
>What he needs? Maybe. However, he probably wouldn't develop it
>much
>in
>Slytherin. Hufflepuff might suit, since he may accept his life for what it
>is and start working properly.
I dunno. Arthur Dent had an undistinguished career in local radio,
where they weren't too particular whether he turned up or not, and
later on established a successful sandwich franchise. In
between times (or, rather, during a period of time five million years
earlier or so), he spent some time in special needs education.
I suppose if your planet is going to be blown up then you'd better
be damned brave about it, but then he was already up for a fight
with the bulldozers. I wonder if you'd categorise passive
resistance as Gryffindor? Or Hufflepuff? Where would you sort
Mahatma Gandhi? Of course, Dumbledore is a peaceful man -
until you make him angry...
>>>> Cotton Ironfounderson - Gryffindor
>>>
>>> Carrot? I don't think his bravery is his most outstanding feature. I
>>> think he's more of a Hufflepuff - he's the hard worker of hard
>>> workers.
>>
>> He's that, but he also starts out insanely heroic. He's always in
>> the line of duty, and you know what happens to people in the line
>> of duty. I'd give him the Ravenclaw treatment, so that he can work
>> smarter, not harder.
>
>It's strange. It seems that your argument is that since Carrot is already
>brave and loyal, there's no point in putting him in Gryffindor or
>Hufflepuff. This is inconsistent with past instances of sorting. Malfoy
>already had ambition, yet he ended up in Slytherin.
Well, he was an ambitious eleven-year-old, with two not very
intelligent sidekicks. I'd say he had more to learn. I was going to
tweak Godwin's nose and suggest Hitler didn't get where he is
today by only impressing stupid people, but, then again I'm not
sure that's true.
>>>> Sam Vimes - Gryffindor (Although he'd soon be sick of hearing what
>a
>>>> true Gryffindor is supposed to be)
>>>
>>> Haha, Vimes is a toss-up between Gryffindor and Hufflepuff I'd say.
>>
>> I want him to be smarter and more political as well; Ravenclaw
>> again.
>
>I don't understand why you keep putting people in the places they
>belong
>to
>the least. Are you just saying what you'd do if you were the Sorting Hat?
>If so, that makes sense, but if not, I find it hard to believe that, based
>on evidence in the books, you actually think this is the system the Hat
>uses.
Hmm. okay; if you're starting with young Vimes, then he's got
nothing much. He took the job... well, not really out of a starry-
eyed belief in law and order. The question is whether his anti-
authoritarian tendency is the result of his early experiences in
_Night Watch_, or if he already felt that way. In the latter case, if
you offered eleven-year-old Sam the choice of Slytherin House
then he'd say no. He doesn't /want/ to be a politician.
>>>> Angua Von Uberwald - Griffindor
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Well, aren't all the werewolves in Gryffindor?
>
>...yes, every single last one of them. As far as we know.
>
>>>> Cherry Littlebottom - Ravenclaw
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Non-human species, though... kitchens? Sorry, but it's that sort of
>> establishment. Having said that, Flitwick and Hagrid got in. But
>> we're already stretching a point for Carrot.
>
>She's a dwarf, not a House Elf. Fleur Delacour was also part Veela, and
>got
>into France's answer to Hogwarts. I think you need to be part-human
>just
>to
>have Hogwarts-style magical powers, since House Elf magic, for
>instance, is
>different. Cheery, being all dwarf, probably wouldn't get into Hogwarts
>since, in the Potterverse, she wouldn't have magical powers. Indeed,
>she
>doesn't in Discworld either.
>
>That's the fun of hypothetical circumstances.
Actually, I've just been looking again at the Potter books, and the
Gryffindor prefects in book five do find themselves in charge of the
"midgets" - that is, the first-year students. Perhaps wizards and
witches have their adolescent growth spurt rather differently to
ordinary humans (they must be somewhat different if Dumbledore
can live to be 150 and still fairly active); maybe Butterbeer is made
with spring water out of Fangorn Forest...
>>>> Havelock Vetinari - Slytherin (Probably too ruthless for Ravenclaw)
>>>
>>> I agree it's a toss-up. I'm not sure how ambitious he is, but I guess
>he
>>> IS the ruler of Ankh-Morpork.
>>
>> And got a very good education in various Dark Arts elsewhere.
>> Politicians don't /have/ to be Slytherin, or even Hogwarts at all.
>
>Heh, I think you're taking this thing too far. It's not so much a question
>of "if they were part of the Potterverse, what would happen to them with
>regards to arriving Hogwarts?" but rather "based on personality, where
>do
>they suit the best?".
Well, now.... again, by my method, Vetinari seems to have
excellent Slytherin-type craftiness that he /didn't/ learn at school -
or, rather, that his classmates haven't learned - but he's got the
brains and studiousness as well, which they haven't. Another
class of Assassins known to us aren't very conspicuously different
in that respect. But Vetinari... somewhere along the line, not
necessarily during his school years, I'd say he also acquires his
own version of the Gryffindor spirit. How about putting him there?
>>> Susan Sto Helit: Hufflepuff. She's constantly working, whether while
>>> trying to lead a normal life or by trying to fix a mess her grandfather
>>> made.
>>
>> I'm not sure where she fits. Doesn't she seem to feel that
>> heroism is something that ought to happen to other people?
>
>Yeah, that's why I leaned towards Hufflepuff instead of Gryffindor. She is
>brave, but only in a matter-of-fact kind of way.
Robert Carnegie at home, rja.ca...@excite.com at large
Stacie Hanes
<snip>
>>
>> Yes, but there is a pattern. Malfoy didn't really need a sense of
>> ambition, since he had it in abundance already, but he wasn't
>> likely to develop any of
>> the other houses' traits. I think that, if your theory is
>> correct, it'd have to be that the personality trait that'd benefit
>> most from its respective house is considered dominant.
>
> Not necessarily that. I think it falls down on Hermione, because
> she goes into the school a fully-formed clever-clogs. I think
> Ravenclaw has nothing to offer her in that respect because she's
> already got it, but the Hat would have put her there - since she has
> to be put somewhere - if it was what she wanted.
>
> And then there's Cedric Diggory, dashing handsome hero - he
> was brave enough to enter the deadly Triwizarding Tournament;
> Gryffindor material, we might think, but the Hat disagreed.
> I submit it was because Cedric didn't need to be helped along in
> that direction; /that/ side of his character he was able to develop
> by himself.
I always considered it a matter of potential. The hat picks up on the amount
of *potential* bravery, cleverness, steadfastness, or cunning a student has.
This potential may be developed or not, and in different ways. Every
Slytherin can be said to have potential cunning and so forth, which may or
may not be used for evil. The Slytherin traist are not evil in or of
themselves.
Percy did not, to my mind, fulfill his potential. Harry had almost equal
potential for courage and cunning, but preferred to try to develop the more
open trait by wanting to be sorted into Gryffindor; the hat quite rightly
assumed that the trait one wishes to develop is more likely to bear fruit.
Malfoy had little potential for any of the other three houses.
Robert Carnegie
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>> >
>> > Re-read "Mort" and tell me he doesn't have "Slytherin" written
>> > all over him.
>>
>> Again, choices determine fate. People evolve over time.
>> Albert's choices have led him to be Death's servant, and he's
>> now a very hard worker. He's also very loyal.
>
>Ya know, I've gotta toss him into Slytherin, just because of how he
>came to work for Death. It take more than a little arrogance to try to
>perform the rite of Ashe-Kente *backwards* and think it'll even slow
>the Grim Reaper down.
Death's cook joins the Death Eaters? That's not a conspiracy, it's
a restaurant.
Shahid abdul-Elvis
> On this, I personally choose to believe that Hogwarts students
> aren't assigned to a House on the basis of the personality traits
> they've already got, but on those that they will most benefit from
> developing. For instance, if Ravenclaw is for intellectual people,
> Hermione Grainger should have been there. But if Ravenclaw is
> to /make/ people intellectual, whereas Gryffindor is to /make/
> people daring and heroic - well, from one book to another, we see
> Miss Grainger more and more daring with respect to, e.g., school
> rules, assault and battery of teachers, etc. I blame those two
> delinquents she hangs around with. So House choice isn't a final
> sentence like the Eleven-Plus exam, it's an opportunity.
Hmm. So you're saying Draco needs help being ambitious? ;-)
Shawn
Len Oil
> [...] I still don't know where in Hogwarts I'd put
Nobby
> though.
Far away from any impressionable youngsters? (Or, for that matter,
almost everyone else... :)
Seriously (if indeed the placement of one fictional universe's character
in another fictional universe can be considered 'serious'... :) I have
absolutely no idea what the Sorting Hat would do (or indeed what other
place in the hierarchy he might find himself assigned to) but I reckon a
HP-universe Nobby with a recognisably DW-universe nature would end up:
1) Being regularly mistaken for a house-elf, or some other creature of
that ilk,
2) 'Obtaining' a variety of personal possessions, with a good
possibility of including an archmage's wand in his backpack,
3) Having some form of access to most areas of Hogwarts, but especially
the kitchens, stores and the below-stairs social areas, you'd find him
(if he didn't have a particular aversion to being found) lurking just
about anywhere,
3a) I'm wondering about Gringots. The notoriety of their security could
only be a challenge to him. Probably the best way of resolving the
situation would be to have him as a special employee, appealing to his
sense of loyalty he seems to have for his 'unit'...
4) He'd be particularly skilled in the kind of magicks that work best
against the unconscious and unaware ("Teleportus Walletus!") and
probably some other spells to specifically cause such states in people,
5) Whatever his faults, he'd never associate with the sides of darkness
(your standard 'evil' creatures, Death Eaters and, naturally, He Who
Must Not Be Named and his more direct supporters) though might be able
to get closer to them than anyone else who wasn't.
--
Len.
Shahid abdul-Elvis
> For that matter, it isn't clear why there's still a Slytherin House after
> Slytherin left, but presumably there were other teachers, parents,
> and the students themselves, who wanted it to continue.
That and the fallout from the Voldemort crisis. It seems in general the
other Houses dislike the Slytherins, but why on Earth wasn't the
organization which bred all the Anglo-Irish Dark Wizards, well, abolished?
Shawn
Robert Carnegie
<shahid_a...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> writes
Needs help being /constructively/ ambitious, maybe - although he
has some successes as well as failures. I suppose it's never
easy being the antagonist.
Beth Winter
Because it possibly didn't breed all of them? *cough*Peter*cough* And
bred a lot of the most powerful people on the usual side, too?
I could well see a Slytherin deciding he'd have a better chance at a
career on the side of good at the moment and being rather good at it
(compare Lucius after Voldemort's defeat).
--
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Sarah Warren
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> "Sarah Warren" <kass...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > [...] I still don't know where in Hogwarts I'd put
> Nobby
> > though.
>
> Far away from any impressionable youngsters? (Or, for that matter,
> almost everyone else... :)
Bwahahaha... thanks for that, I needed a laugh.
> 5) Whatever his faults, he'd never associate with the sides of darkness
> (your standard 'evil' creatures, Death Eaters and, naturally, He Who
> Must Not Be Named and his more direct supporters) though might be able
> to get closer to them than anyone else who wasn't.
Interesting thought. Nobby as a mole, rather than any other species of
rodent we might normally associate with him.
Shahid abdul-Elvis
> Shahid abdul-Elvis wrote:
>
>>That and the fallout from the Voldemort crisis. It seems in general the
>>other Houses dislike the Slytherins, but why on Earth wasn't the
>>organization which bred all the Anglo-Irish Dark Wizards, well, abolished?
>
> Because it possibly didn't breed all of them? *cough*Peter*cough* And
> bred a lot of the most powerful people on the usual side, too?
>
> I could well see a Slytherin deciding he'd have a better chance at a
> career on the side of good at the moment and being rather good at it
> (compare Lucius after Voldemort's defeat).
True. If he'd be willing to overcome the suspicion that arose every time
he mentioned his time at Hogwarts (and given that every Anglo-Irish
wizard passed through Hogwarts, the subject would come up) and
mentioned, "Oh yeah. I was at Slytherin. But I'm a *good* Slytherin.
Really. Honest."
But yes, it seems there were a few renegades from the other Houses. But
nowhere near the # of people who went wrong in Slytherin.
I do wish JKR would try to put in the occasional "good" Slytherin,
though, or at least one who tries to rein in their fellows.
Shawn
Len Oil
> I do wish JKR would try to put in the occasional "good" Slytherin,
> though, or at least one who tries to rein in their fellows.
It doesn't work like that in JKR's style of fiction (IMO, and with no
offence meant). Any obviously good Slytherin would turn out to be even
more evil than the normally bad ones. It's from ranks of the obviously
bad ones that a real good one might emerge (and may have).
--
Len.
Moore
I will admit that I never gave much thought to the reasons why a person was
placed into certain houses. I took the simple idea of a person being placed
where they had the most qualities; i.e.: Neville was placed in Gryffindor
because he had brave qualities in himself that he might not have wanted to
act upon, but had shown the inclination of wanting to prove himself to
himself (and to his Grandmother); Harry was placed in Gryffindor for the
same reason, he never had any reason to show his brave side prior to
Hogwarts, but after he got there his "brave side" came out in full force.
So, I thought that these were characteristics that the kids had in them,
not the image that they had shown to others at the time, but something that
they had in them. I know that it is a simple definition.
Going along with my simple definition, I figured Cedric was placed in
Hufflepuff because of his up-bringing. When we met his parents we saw his
father being a man who placed all achievements above anything else. Talking
about how Cedric beat Harry Potter and he can tell his children that, also
how Harry fell off his broomstick and Cedric didn't, so "we know who the
better flier" is, etc. (We see Cedric's Hufflepuff qualities when he tries
to have a re-match, because he didn't think it was a fair game due to the
Dementors and their affect on Harry.) Cedric may have had the same thoughts
of his family when he entered Hogwarts but really had a desire to be more
open-minded, kind and down-to-earth about and with other people. He may
have been placed in Hufflepuff to help those qualities along. If he was to
be placed in either Slytherin or Gryffindor, I tend to think that he would
end up being more like his father. Hufflepuff allowed those qualities within
himself to shine through, and not help along his up-bringing.
I do know that we can use the argument that Cedric's father was just being a
proud parent, but he never said anything about the Quidditch match other
than beating Harry Potter, not how he led the Hufflepuffs to a victory over
Gryffindor, (which would have included the Twins in the scene on the hill)
but focused only on Harry and that showed how the personal victory is more
important that the team win. Which would have shown the same pride in his
son, but would have allowed him to be thought of as a team leader and good
Quidditch player, not someone who "beat" Harry Potter at something.
I am not saying that Cedric is a saint, but with JK's limited description of
his actions and his character, he was a good guy and was perfect for
Hufflepuff based on the hat's description. (His father seemed better suited
for Slytherin, which might show us a "good" Slytherin)
I know this is a long response based on a simple idea, and I guess I could
have just used a simple paragraph to answer, but I wanted a full
explanation, please forgive my long-windedness.
Aldy
Robert Carnegie
<shahid_a...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> writes
I suppose for one thing, you'd still have bad wizards, but you
wouldn't be able to identify them so easily.
Then, too, the post-Voldemort concensus evidently was and is
quite a shaky structure. I hesitate to point to Northern Ireland
presently under cease-fire, particularly since I'm not sure that's
working out well (but neither is Rowling's wizard world,
necessarily), but there it is - and there, too, is Fudge's reluctance
to believe that Voldemort has returned and it's all going to fall
apart.
How about another question - which of Terry Pratchett's
characters should Rowling's characters emulate, to set the world
to rights? They seem to be in need of an effective Patrician, for
one thing - both during and after Voldemort, and now.
Incidentally, while re-reading, I found more dwarfs in
Hogwarts - Gilderoy Lockhart hired them as singing
telegrams for the students for Valentine's Day. I'm not sure
that Cheery Littlebottom would have taken the job.
Steffan Alun
> How about another question - which of Terry Pratchett's
> characters should Rowling's characters emulate, to set the world
> to rights? They seem to be in need of an effective Patrician, for
> one thing - both during and after Voldemort, and now.
The Patrician suits Ankh-Morpork, since Ankh-Morpork's ethics haven't
developed enough to reach Political Correctness and the like yet. The idea
of creating legal theft works in Ankh-Morpork since it cuts down on ordinary
crime.
The problem is that the implications would be too controversial for the real
world. It's similar to the argument for legalising cannabis - sure, it
probably wouldn't harm that many more people, since it's not the cannabis
itself that kills, and the government also gets to tax it...but it also
requires the government to basically say "it's alright to smoke it", and
that's where complications arise.
Legalising theft means the government would have to say "it's okay to steal,
as long as we get some of the profit" and ALSO "it's alright for official
thieves to beat up unofficial thieves".
What I mean is, if Vetinari hadn't lived so long in Ankh-Morpork and been
educated as an Assassin, he wouldn't have become the Patrician we know -
he'd have been taught in Hogwarts that his cold indifference is wrong, and
would probably have ended up a master of the dark arts.
--
Steffan
Matthew Seaman
> The Patrician suits Ankh-Morpork, since Ankh-Morpork's ethics haven't
> developed enough to reach Political Correctness and the like yet.
I can imagine the Patrician having a second scorpion pit dug, with the
words "You will call a spade a spade" carved into the walls.
Actually, scorpions are too good for those people. Make that a
"ferocious leopard slug (all trained on a diet of manky cabbage) pit".
Steffan Alun
>> The Patrician suits Ankh-Morpork, since Ankh-Morpork's ethics haven't
>> developed enough to reach Political Correctness and the like yet.
>
> I can imagine the Patrician having a second scorpion pit dug, with the
> words "You will call a spade a spade" carved into the walls.
Oh, I have no problem with Political Correctness as long as it IS Political
Correctness. It's Political Pedantry that gets to me.
--
Steffan
Jenny Radcliffe
> "Stacie Hanes" <house_d...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > > Granny? She'd shame McGonnigle into silence with a glance, scare
> > > the robes of Snape and take a seat next to Dumbledore. Where does
> > > Granny belong? Faculty. Maybe she could finally be a permanent
> > > fill to that Dfense Against the Dark Arts chair.
> > Okay, yes, I *like* that. But there's no need to go knocking
> > McGonnogal.
> > There might not be room for two like that in one book, theough,
> > even one as hefty as Order of the Phoenix.
> Irresistable force versus immovable object time!
> That said, handled properly, they COULD meet, and that meeting COULD
> work. In Interesting Times, we see the Patrician - the man who can
> influence anyone - meet Ridcully - the man whose train of thought
> cannot be redirected. And somehow, it works, and neither is shown to
> be the weaker man.
Although the Patrician is perhaps shown to be more human than normal. While
still being incontrovertibly *him*. It's one of my favourite scenes.
> Granny would probably be quite a good Defense Against the Dark Arts
> teacher, since she prefers the use-magic-only-when-strictly-necessary
> method to the use-magic-for-the-sake-of it method. Of course, she
> probably wouldn't teach ANY magic in any sort of straightforward way.
Well, no, she'd say that that wasn't the point.
It seems to me that instead of considering McG and Granny as immoveable
object and irresistable forces, one has to really, really hope they don't
get together and gang up on the rest of the world.
Because that really *would* be ... be ... indescribable.
Not so much a "meeting of minds" as ... well, Voldie wouldn't stand a
chance!
Continuing the parallel, I'm having frightening mental images of Dumbledore
and Ridcully having dinner ... and of the Patrician *dealing* with Fudge.
My brain hurts now. I'm going back to ergonomics papers.
Jenny
Troels Forchhammer
"Jenny Radcliffe" <je...@durge.org> enriched us with:
> Steffan Alun scrawled across my screen:
>>
<snip>
>> Granny would probably be quite a good Defense Against the Dark
>> Arts teacher, since she prefers the use-magic-only-when-strictly-
>> necessary method to the use-magic-for-the-sake-of it method. Of
>> course, she probably wouldn't teach ANY magic in any sort of
>> straightforward way.
>
> Well, no, she'd say that that wasn't the point.
And it wouldn't -- in her mind.
> It seems to me that instead of considering McG and Granny as
> immoveable object and irresistable forces, one has to really,
> really hope they don't get together and gang up on the rest of the
> world.
Ouch!
> Because that really *would* be ... be ... indescribable.
Talk about elemental forces ;-)
Words such as 'unstoppable' and 'irrestible' comes to mind.
> Not so much a "meeting of minds" as ... well, Voldie wouldn't
> stand a chance!
But being who he is, he would still try . . .
> Continuing the parallel, I'm having frightening mental images of
> Dumbledore and Ridcully having dinner ...
Good thing I managed to swallow that coffee before reaching this ;-)
> and of the Patrician *dealing* with Fudge.
Fudge, Malfoy -- far too easy. No challenge for the Patrician. I'd much
rather see him try 'dealing' with Dumbledore . . .
> My brain hurts now. I'm going back to ergonomics papers.
Understandable ;-)
--
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T.M. Sommers
> Matthew Seaman <m.se...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Autolycus ("a Rogue") in "The Winter's Tale" by that Shakespeare bloke.
>
> <sound of penny dropping>
>
> Hence the name of the Xena character. Yet another piece of trivia to
> clog up my brain and stop me remembering useful stuff :-)
The original Autolycus was the son of Hermes, and from Hermes
inherited the gift of being able to steal without being caught.
Supposedly the grandfather of both Odysseus and Jason. Was one
of the Argonauts. Taught Heracles how to fight.
--
Thomas M. Sommers -- t...@nj.net -- AB2SB
bathstore.com Hammersmith
> This branch of the thread is cross-posted to AFP due to the high amount of
> Discworld characters referenced. A tag has been added for this purpose.
>
> The idea, for those of you joining us, is to sort characters from other
> works into the houses of Hogwarts, Harry Potter's school.
>
> >> We could go on forever with this...
> >
> > So lets!
> >
> > Arthur Dent - Gryffindor (He's Ron grown up!)
>
> I've never thought of Dent as being particularly brave. He doesn't seem
to
> belong anywhere else, though. He's not particularly clever and not really
> hard-working, and he certainly lacks ambition. I guess Gryffindor is the
> one the least inappropriate.
>
>
> > Cotton Ironfounderson - Gryffindor
>
> Carrot? I don't think his bravery is his most outstanding feature. I
think
> he's more of a Hufflepuff - he's the hard worker of hard workers.
>
> > true Gryffindor is supposed to be)
>
> Haha, Vimes is a toss-up between Gryffindor and Hufflepuff I'd say.
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
> Pfft. Nobby's hard-working? I'd say he's most likely a Ravenclaw. I
think
> Nobby's actually quite clever, but also very ignorant, which is of course
> different to being stupid.
>
> > Fred Colon - Hufflepuff
>
> Yes.
>
> > Havelock Vetinari - Slytherin (Probably too ruthless for Ravenclaw)
>
> I agree it's a toss-up. I'm not sure how ambitious he is, but I guess he
IS
> the ruler of Ankh-Morpork.
>
>
> Ignorance vs stupidity again. Ridcully has a lot of knowledge, but no
real
> intellect. He's a very lateral thinker. He'd be a Slytherin, I think,
> since you need blind ambition to become Archchancellor.
>
> Onto others:
>
> Ponder Stibbons: Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw - he's clever and is the only
> member of the faculty who appears to do any real work.
>
> The Bursar: Hufflepuff.
>
> The Dean: Gryffindor, I'd say. He's brave in a clumsy way.
>
> Susan Sto Helit: Hufflepuff. She's constantly working, whether while
trying
> to lead a normal life or by trying to fix a mess her grandfather made.
>
>
> Granny Weatherwax: Ravenclaw.
>
> Nanny Ogg: Hufflepuff.
>
> Magrat: Hufflepuff maybe.
>
> Rincewind: I think he could be in any house that isn't Gryffindor, but I
> like to think of him in Slytherin, due to his amibition for normality.
>
The luggage: Clearly a griffindor
Death: Gryffindor
Mort: Hufflepuff
The Bursar has to be a slytherin, he's not a silly as he looks.
The librarian: slytherin, again a very wise person who looks out for
himself.
Sybil: Griffindor