"Tiger Man" has appeared at Critter Con Diego. Harelip, goofy whiskers
and all!
Now his infamy is duct-taped to furry fandom's for all eternity!
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Funny, I recall the only person who hoped he wouldn't discover furry was
yourself.
I met Cat at the Critter Con, and he was quite friendly and sociable.
Once one got around the body mods, he's a fairly normal computer geek.
It seemed to me, at least, that he was made fairly welcome there.
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-- Ben Raccoon
http://www.furnation.com/ben_raccoon
> I met Cat at the Critter Con, and he was quite friendly and sociable.
> Once one got around the body mods, he's a fairly normal computer geek.
> It seemed to me, at least, that he was made fairly welcome there.
Body mods? o.o I haven't heard of this person, what's all this?
--
-Rann Aridorn
==========================================================
"Now, Diggers, let's... not lose our temper... violence is NOT the answer!"
"You're right, Gothwrain. It's not the answer. Violence is a question...
the -answer- is YES!"
-Gold Digger #4
> Michael Hirtes wrote:
> > Your worst nightmare has come true! The one man that you prayed would
> > NEVER discover furry fandom, has!
>
> Funny, I recall the only person who hoped he wouldn't discover furry was
> yourself.
>
> I met Cat at the Critter Con, and he was quite friendly and sociable.
Despite the fact that he has an appearance that frightens small
children, I guess.
> Once one got around the body mods, he's a fairly normal computer geek.
> It seemed to me, at least, that he was made fairly welcome there.
Just remember that when the media REALLY start coming out of the
woodwork. Now they can chumpify both him AND furry fandom in one article.
> Michael Hirtes wrote:
>> Your worst nightmare has come true! The one man that you prayed would
>> NEVER discover furry fandom, has!
>
> Funny, I recall the only person who hoped he wouldn't discover furry was
> yourself.
Actually, I fess up, it was ME, after seeing the "Ripley's" coverage of the
guy.
*sigh* I guess it WAS a bit much to hope for. Oh well, Hell knows I've got
more important things to worry about.
Still, one can't help but wonder how Mikeykins got wind of this information.
This "person's" name is Dennis Abner, or "Stalking Cat". He is a bizarre
individual who, through use of intense and as of yet experimental bodily
modifications, is attempting to transform himself into a tiger. Last I
checked, his modifications include;
Having whiskers grafted to his cheeks
Plastic surgery performed on his nose and upper lip
Dental work on his teeth to make them appear more fang-like
Cat-like contact lenses permanently attached to his eyeballs
Ears modified into points
"Claws" grafted to his fingertips
And tattoos covering his entire body in a tiger-like pattern.
.
.
.
Wait a sec.... "Dennis" Abner?
Say, does anyone else find it kind of odd that as soon as one "Dennis" stops
being such a problem, another "Dennis" comes by to take his place?
Coincidence?
"Sauron's Eye of Seeing"? LOL!
> > Body mods? o.o I haven't heard of this person, what's all this?
>
> This "person's" name is Dennis Abner, or "Stalking Cat". He is a bizarre
> individual who, through use of intense and as of yet experimental bodily
> modifications, is attempting to transform himself into a tiger. Last I
> checked, his modifications include;
>
> Having whiskers grafted to his cheeks
>
> Plastic surgery performed on his nose and upper lip
>
> Dental work on his teeth to make them appear more fang-like
>
> Cat-like contact lenses permanently attached to his eyeballs
>
> Ears modified into points
>
> "Claws" grafted to his fingertips
Brain replaced with an old box of baking soda.
>
> And tattoos covering his entire body in a tiger-like pattern.
>
Exept for the arms, which have scales tattooed on them instead of
stripes (thus screwing up the whole tigger transmog thingie). Maybe he's
more interested in becoming a griffin instead?
> .
> .
> .
>
> Wait a sec.... "Dennis" Abner?
>
> Say, does anyone else find it kind of odd that as soon as one "Dennis" stops
> being such a problem, another "Dennis" comes by to take his place?
New Dennis. New menace. <g>
> On Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:30:15 GMT, Michael Hirtes
> <mhi...@kill.all.spammers.net> wrote:
>
> >Your worst nightmare has come true! The one man that you prayed would
> >NEVER discover furry fandom, has!
> >
> >"Tiger Man" has appeared at Critter Con Diego. Harelip, goofy whiskers
> >and all!
> >
> >Now his infamy is duct-taped to furry fandom's for all eternity!
>
> Never heard of him.
Enjoy your blissful ignorance of him while you still can, for you soon
shall miss it dearly.
MWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
Sort of. More like getting multiple piercings in his upper lip and
threading plastic wire-like things through 'em.
> Cat-like contact lenses permanently attached to his eyeballs
I doubt they're permanent, contacts tend to ruin one's vision if left in
too long.
> "Claws" grafted to his fingertips
Also known as growing his fingernails really long.
> And tattoos covering his entire body in a tiger-like pattern.
Sorta. His arms have a predominantly dragon-scale pattern.
> I met Cat at the Critter Con, and he was quite friendly and sociable.
> Once one got around the body mods, he's a fairly normal computer geek.
> It seemed to me, at least, that he was made fairly welcome there.
I'd never do that sort of thing to myself, but I can appreciate the courage
that sort of thing takes: It's the sort of thing that one can't just
undo...
--
Michael E Campbell (mecamp...@YouknowtheDrillTDS.net )
"I commit no crime other than honesty, and in this world that's crime
enough."-R. J. MacTavish
Ya know, I'm curious. I don't understand why, even though you're a
recovered furry and all, that you seem to revel in any and all
misfortune that may come the fandom's way, especially since you were
such an active member for so long. Is it some sort of penance?
For someone who for years published furry fanzines, It's hard to
believe that you have no care in the world about <any> part of the
fandom. Hell, I'm willing to bet that you still enjoy anthro art just
as much as when you were still publishing. (Your'e probably gonna
blast me for saying that, but oh well...)
Just Curious...
Slade
> Ben Raccoon <ben_racco...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:3D4DCF86.5080502
> @hotmail.com:
>
> > I met Cat at the Critter Con, and he was quite friendly and sociable.
> > Once one got around the body mods, he's a fairly normal computer geek.
> > It seemed to me, at least, that he was made fairly welcome there.
>
> I'd never do that sort of thing to myself, but I can appreciate the courage
> that sort of thing takes: It's the sort of thing that one can't just
> undo...
As Yoda might put it, "Courage it not is. Stupidity, it must be."
"Cat", what a Darwin-magnet.
Michael Hirtes wrote:
It could be worse. That guy who thinks he's a pixie could have
been there as well.
This guy, if you've been hiding under a rock:
http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/
Would Oliver Cromwell approved?
Well, if he were Irish and a catholic, Oliver Cromwell would have
probably ethnically cleansed him or massacred him at Drogheda.
But otherwise he wouldn't probably have minded, since he was very
tolerant.
And he was just the best person ever(TM)
So I think in retrospect if this great luminary go human history would
have had no problem with it, neither should you.
---
Voices are calling from somewhere below
Melting on the eastern shore
Rain is falling down on me,
Been waiting for eternity...
I'll be there!
> It could be worse. That guy who thinks he's a pixie could have
> been there as well.
>
> This guy, if you've been hiding under a rock:
> http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/
The Peter Pan guy seems fairly normal when you compare him to most
Furries. At least he's got a girlfriend and doesn't waste his time
trolling on newsgroup.
> With A hey and a Ho and a hey Nonny No, on Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:30:15
> GMT, In the Lands of Morris dancing (alt.fan.furry ) after Banging two
> bits of wood together and wiping their nose on a hankie, Michael
> Hirtes <mhi...@kill.all.spammers.net> wrote:
>
> >Your worst nightmare has come true! The one man that you prayed would
> >NEVER discover furry fandom, has!
> >
> >"Tiger Man" has appeared at Critter Con Diego. Harelip, goofy whiskers
> >and all!
> >
> >Now his infamy is duct-taped to furry fandom's for all eternity!
> >
> >BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
>
> Would Oliver Cromwell approved?
Alister Crowley would certainly give it his thumbs up. :)
>
> Well, if he were Irish and a catholic, Oliver Cromwell would have
> probably ethnically cleansed him or massacred him at Drogheda.
> But otherwise he wouldn't probably have minded, since he was very
> tolerant.
> And he was just the best person ever(TM)
> So I think in retrospect if this great luminary go human history would
> have had no problem with it, neither should you.
Actually, I have no problem with it at all. In fact, I RELISH it.
It means that furry fandom is one step closer to Hell with a FREAK like
that running around in it. TV shows will use IT as furrydom's poster
child. This will only bring about more of the negative publicity that
furrydom so very much dreads.
Parents across the land will hope that THEIR children don't grow up to
skritch and yiff.
Now, if only there was a way to get NAMBLA in on the act..........
>Alister Crowley would certainly give it his thumbs up. :)
Matthew Hopkins would have sorted Alister Crowley out good.
The Witch finder general would have hung 'im high.
>Actually, I have no problem with it at all. In fact, I RELISH it.
>
>It means that furry fandom is one step closer to Hell with a FREAK like
>that running around in it. TV shows will use IT as furrydom's poster
>child. This will only bring about more of the negative publicity that
>furrydom so very much dreads.
>
>Parents across the land will hope that THEIR children don't grow up to
>skritch and yiff.
Oh that's O.K then.
As long as Materiel reality continues along the same path as it
currently does everything should be all right.
Although I fear your vision may not coincide with the nascent materiel
reality of the situation.
---
Voices are calling from somewhere below
Melting on the eastern shore
Rain is falling down on me,
Been waiting for eternity...
I'll be there!
Freedom for us all!
The problem is: He's not exactly a good looking guy, and his body
modifications didn't make him look BETTER.
If the mods made him a beautiful, sleek feline ... people would LOVE it.
But instead, he looks more like an escapee from the Island of Dr. Moreau,
which is pretty freaky.
Another failed attempt to cure inferiority complex by bodily modifications,
analogous to breast implants or other stuff, which leave their owners
delighted for 6 months, and even more depressed afterwards when they discover,
that their body might be different, but the world is still the same.
yours,
Cheetah
Yep... "Courage"... THAT'S the word... Mmm-hm...
(Captain, sensors are detecting critical levels of sarcasm in the vicinity!)
Old news. It took you this long to hear he was going to be there?
Sauron's Eye of Seeing must have a time lag.
BTW. I know someone who made several thousand (yes, thousand) dollars
developing and making some costuming items for Stalking Cat. (And no,
they weren't anything naughty. Very advanced? Yes.)
You know what warms my heart? Not a penny of it went to you! *thpppppt*
:)
Kyle L. Webb
Hartree Fox on yiffnet
(I'd help make a Michael Hirtes cotume, but I don't think it'd sell...
And anyone who would do Michael Hirtes body mod is REALLY weird.)
: Actually, I fess up, it was ME, after seeing the "Ripley's" coverage of the
: guy.
: *sigh* I guess it WAS a bit much to hope for. Oh well, Hell knows I've got
: more important things to worry about.
Wow, sensible perspective. This is why this man didn't fit into the Burned
Fur movement - too much common sense, probably too much of "Got A Life" to
*really* obsess over petty fandom problems to the utmost degree.
Too bad Hirtes DOESN'T got more important things to worry about.
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him if we choose, whereas he's stuck with himself.)
(Disclaimer disclaimer: Actually some furry fans are too thin-skinned to be
able to ignore Hirtes or anyone else that insults them. I pity them too.)
Unlike before, when they, um... Could do that, and in fact have done so.
...ok, so no real change there. Thanks for the update. :X)
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(Disclaimer: Minutes of fame used up so far... Dennis Abner: 14.37.
Michael Hirtes: .0001. Hang in there baby!)
Um, okay. You do know that this "news" was broken long ago, right?
--
"Blackberry is better looking and easier to use." -- Google
Now you're against ugly people too?
Oh Mike! Please pull your pants up and stop bending over. You're
scaring the children... O_O
(Disclaimer...The above was just general silliness due to too little
sleep.) :p
-- Otter
> Gabriel Gentile <spook...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> : in article 3D4DCF86...@hotmail.com, Ben Raccoon at
> : ben_racco...@hotmail.com wrote on 8/4/02 7:06 PM:
> :> Funny, I recall the only person who hoped he wouldn't discover furry was
> :> yourself.
>
> : Actually, I fess up, it was ME, after seeing the "Ripley's" coverage of the
> : guy.
>
> : *sigh* I guess it WAS a bit much to hope for. Oh well, Hell knows I've got
> : more important things to worry about.
>
> Wow, sensible perspective. This is why this man didn't fit into the Burned
> Fur movement - too much common sense, probably too much of "Got A Life" to
> *really* obsess over petty fandom problems to the utmost degree.
>
> Too bad Hirtes DOESN'T got more important things to worry about.
>
Still using Burned Furs as the proverbial Boogeymen, I see. Better hurry
up and fondle each other quick. Gotta make sure no one's turned into a
Burned Fur since the last fondlefest.
> Michael Hirtes wrote:
> >
> > Your worst nightmare has come true! The one man that you prayed would
> > NEVER discover furry fandom, has!
> >
> > "Tiger Man" has appeared at Critter Con Diego. Harelip, goofy whiskers
> > and all!
> >
> > Now his infamy is duct-taped to furry fandom's for all eternity!
> >
> > BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
>
> Old news. It took you this long to hear he was going to be there?
> Sauron's Eye of Seeing must have a time lag.
>
> BTW. I know someone who made several thousand (yes, thousand) dollars
> developing and making some costuming items for Stalking Cat. (And no,
> they weren't anything naughty. Very advanced? Yes.)
> You know what warms my heart? Not a penny of it went to you! *thpppppt*
> :)
Yeah, lots of people are sending money to other people that I'm not
getting. Big whoop.
Still doesn't distract from the fact that you guys have embraced a
freakjob, so let's hear no excuses come from your cookie-encrusted
mouths the next time a Vanity Fair or Loaded comes along to do their
article on furry fandom.
Ugly people who _deliberately_ make themselves butt-ugly? Yeah, I guess
I am.
Thanks to Cat Freak, Michael Jackson is now the SECOND most
self-mutilated and disturbing weirdo on the planet.
Kind of like you using Mark Merlino as the proverbial Bogeyman?
And you know what Michael? He had a good time like everyone else who
attended, so Pbtpbtpbtpbt!
Thank you everybody for helping make this year's CritterConDiego another
successful furry event. We had not one but TWO video programs going on
at once (DVD's on the big screen up front, Videotapes on the little
monitor in the back), 16 of the 21 tables sold, about 165 people
attended (lower than last year's count, but a good turnout nonetheless),
Dealers were all reporting decent sales, and our stealth con-suite up in
the guest room kept everyone fed without breaking the hotel's rules
about having outside food in the function space.
The last-minute impromptu auction helped generate enough donations to
the kitty to bring the budget back in line... This mini-con only cost
$300 or so instead of the budgeted $400 expense, despite lower
attendance than last year.
(I blame myself for the lower attendance... I got swamped at work this
past week and couldn't get over to Comic-Con each day to advertise it.
Oh well... next year I think I'll setup a fan table at ComicCon.)
Thankx again for everyone who attended and helped make it a fun coupla
evenings!
Darrel L. Exline
Director, The ConFurence Group
dire...@confurence.net
Attendnce didn't appear to be down from last year, but I do not know
figures, that was just an observation.
Apparently next year comicon is on the same weekend as Anthrocon, which will
probably hurt both events.
I'm glad to hear you did well... I'm sorry you didn't get word about
the food upstairs.
The Hotel was being very militant about allowing outside food into the
room. Last year, I simply told dealers who brought food for others to
keep it behind their tables. This year, the hotel wrote it specifically
in the contract that I was not allowed to have *any* food in the
function space.
...so I got a hotel room upstairs and had the pizzas delivered there.
When Stego showed up with his usual 40 hamburgers, we had him take them
up there, too... good timing, because that was just in time to replenish
the 30 burgers I had someone bring a half hour earlier.
We had a crock pot heating up Ravioli, the room's coffee-maker was used
to heat water for the cup-o-noodles, and we had various munchies and
snacks out on both nights. I wish I had remembered to pick up hot
dogs... I have a "Hot Diggity Dogger" hot-dog toaster. It cooks two hot
dogs and toasts two buns at the same time, and pops them up like a
toaster when they are done.
Thanks a bunch to HunterKitty for manning the con-suite. The reward for
him and his helpers was a place to crash for both nights.
> Attendnce didn't appear to be down from last year, but I do not know
> figures, that was just an observation.
I'm glad it felt that way, but the numbers were definitely down. The
bigger room and U-shaped layout made for better traffic flow than last
year's "island" layout, and the fund-raising auction I had at the end of
Saturday night helped to make up for budgetary problems (I could have
been in the black with just another 30 people).
> Apparently next year comicon is on the same weekend as Anthrocon, which will
> probably hurt both events.
I'm definitely going to be looking at other space for next year, and if
I get a Fan Table I will be able to advertise it much better.
With Comic-Con and AnthroCon currently scheduled on the same weekend,
Kage definitely needs to look at modifying his dates for next year...
Comic-Con is a much more important draw for several key dealers and
attendees, and moving AC little as 2-weeks in one direction or the other
will allow those people to attend both instead of having to choose one
over the other.
Um, if you cannot see what's wrong with the picture when a
self-mutilated freak walks into the room, then you need help.
> On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 17:32:57 GMT, Michael wrote:
> >
> >Still using Burned Furs as the proverbial Boogeymen, I see. [...]
>
> Kind of like you using Mark Merlino as the proverbial Bogeyman?
No. Merlino is the BUGGERman, not Boogeyman.
Who sorta learned his lesson about growing a thick skin, too bad others
don't follow it.
It was pretty easy to tell that you couldn't refute that. You really seem to be
slipping. I remember in the old days when you'd go on for days, ripping someone
a few new ones.
: For someone who for years published furry fanzines, It's hard to
: believe that you have no care in the world about <any> part of the
: fandom. Hell, I'm willing to bet that you still enjoy anthro art just
: as much as when you were still publishing. (Your'e probably gonna
: blast me for saying that, but oh well...)
I have a theory. (Which he will of course deny, as he would deny all
theories, true or false - unless someone made up a theory based on
the assumption that he's totally awesome and we all suck. :XD)
He used to have fun participating in this furry hobby thing, and he is
now totally unable to enjoy it. Buuuut... Not only is he very upset
that his fun came to an end, but he also sees a bunch of the old time
artists and publishers and such CONTINUING to enjoy the fandom, at the
same time he's unable to do so! So he's insanely jealous of them, for
having what he used to have (fun in the fandom) and wishes he could have
just kept having, but cannot. Mix equal parts anger that they "should
have the same problem with it that he does but they don't" and envy that
"they're having more fun than me and it's not fair", and stir in three
parts of "didn't get a new hobby that he's anywhere near as into", plus
probably having way more free time than most people, and probably spending
most of it at home letting his bitterness stew and bubble over till it
overflows the pot...
Yeah, I think he's jealous of the people who're having way more fun than
him. And *especially* those that publish comics or zines that are way
more popular than his ever got to be (i.e., almost all of them) because
he has THAT to be jealous of too on top of everything else! Notice how
some of his worst venom is reserved for those who sell a buncha comics or
art prints or stuff? He not only wanted to have fun in the fandom, he
wanted to be POPULAR. Even know he wants lots of people to pay attention
to him - which of course every troll wants, and of course every troll denies
it.
But he hasn't found any other hobby that he can enjoy enough to fill the void
that his past enjoyment of furry fandom left behind when it stopped being fun
for him. So his only new hobby now is "bitching at us and listening to people
reply, preferably in an upset manner".
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(Disclaimer: Hey, it's not much of a hobby, but it just narrowly edges out
"building a scale replica of the eiffel tower out of your own toenail
clippings". Not by much, but it did come out a little ahead.)
Let's get Mikey! He won't eat it, he hates everything!
--
Kevin J. Mulder
slick...@xecu.net
"Heaven goes by favor. If it went by
merit, you would stay out, and your
dog would go in."
-Mark Twain
hee hee
--Fender
> No. Merlino is the BUGGERman, not Boogeyman.
ZING! Ooooh, slashed by Mr Mike's rapier wit! Can we ever recover?! :>
Just a little reminder on my position, gang: Our friend Mr. Hirtes has
stopped being an annoyance to me, and instead become a fine source of cheap
yocks. We shouldn't be angry, we shouldn't be feeding his ego. And I'm sorry
to say that despite Fal's kind efforts, we probably shouldn't try helping
him either. Nope, we should all be laughing our fuzzy asses off at the
antics of the poor, goofy little dweeb, as indeed I do! We should be
*enjoying* ourselves at his expense! Trust me, that's the only way to really
get rid of him in the long run. Let's laugh the bastard off! But not too
quickly, mind you... :>
Hear that, Mikey? I got nothing personal agin' you, it's just that you keep
handing me all this great material! : 9 Later!
> sla...@telusplanet.net wrote:
> : Ya know, I'm curious. I don't understand why, even though you're a
> : recovered furry and all, that you seem to revel in any and all
> : misfortune that may come the fandom's way, especially since you were
> : such an active member for so long. Is it some sort of penance?
>
> : For someone who for years published furry fanzines, It's hard to
> : believe that you have no care in the world about <any> part of the
> : fandom. Hell, I'm willing to bet that you still enjoy anthro art just
> : as much as when you were still publishing. (Your'e probably gonna
> : blast me for saying that, but oh well...)
>
> I have a theory. (Which he will of course deny, as he would deny all
> theories, true or false - unless someone made up a theory based on
> the assumption that he's totally awesome and we all suck. :XD)
Well, maybe it's because you do. :)
>
> He used to have fun participating in this furry hobby thing, and he is
> now totally unable to enjoy it. Buuuut... Not only is he very upset
> that his fun came to an end, but he also sees a bunch of the old time
> artists and publishers and such CONTINUING to enjoy the fandom,
Unlike Dan Flahive, Reed Waller, and etc. But, i guess they were all
weaklings, weren't they?
> at the
> same time he's unable to do so! So he's insanely jealous of them, for
> having what he used to have (fun in the fandom) and wishes he could have
> just kept having, but cannot.
Actually, in reteospect, I NEVER had fun in "the fandom". I just
eventually got sick of trying and give up on you.
> Mix equal parts anger that they "should
> have the same problem with it that he does but they don't" and envy that
> "they're having more fun than me and it's not fair", and stir in three
> parts of "didn't get a new hobby that he's anywhere near as into", plus
> probably having way more free time than most people, and probably spending
> most of it at home letting his bitterness stew and bubble over till it
> overflows the pot...
>
> Yeah, I think he's jealous of the people who're having way more fun than
> him. And *especially* those that publish comics or zines that are way
> more popular than his ever got to be (i.e., almost all of them) because
> he has THAT to be jealous of too on top of everything else! Notice how
> some of his worst venom is reserved for those who sell a buncha comics or
> art prints or stuff?
The big fish in the small pond. LOL!
Waitasec. You're Dr. Cat. I forgot that your opinion sucks (ever notice
it's usually DC and "Dingleberry" that flame me the most? Hmmmmmmmm).
> Heya! Michael Hirtes <mhi...@kill.all.spammers.net> wrote:
>
> > No. Merlino is the BUGGERman, not Boogeyman.
>
> ZING! Ooooh, slashed by Mr Mike's rapier wit! Can we ever recover?! :>
>
> Just a little reminder on my position, gang: Our friend Mr. Hirtes has
> stopped being an annoyance to me, and instead become a fine source of cheap
> yocks.
Well, laff it up while you can. As each media report comes out about
furry "fandom", the more I win.
> We shouldn't be angry, we shouldn't be feeding his ego. And I'm sorry
> to say that despite Fal's kind efforts, we probably shouldn't try helping
> him either.
Furries? Kind? LOL!
> About the same amount of help needed for letting such a sight bother you.
> And I think it was mentioned a long time ago, if you don't like it here,
> Pure-silvania is that way, don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
As long as it's far, far away from Yiffcago.....
You're sure it's cookies, Mike?
> Michael Hirtes wrote:
>> "Tiger Man" has appeared at Critter Con Diego. Harelip, goofy whiskers
>> and all!
>
> And you know what Michael? He had a good time like everyone else who
> attended, so Pbtpbtpbtpbt!
You tell 'im! ;)
> (I blame myself for the lower attendance... I got swamped at work this
> past week and couldn't get over to Comic-Con each day to advertise it.
> Oh well... next year I think I'll setup a fan table at ComicCon.)
I think it's more along the lines that the construction in the hotel made
it difficult for some people to find the registration and the room. I heard
a couple people didn't make it because they couldn't ~find~ it. Not to
mention, I think it seemed bigger this year because most of the people were
actually inside the room instead of overflowing to the pool area.
On another note, kudos on the great room party. Much, much nicer that last
year, and worth the eight bucks. :)
--
-- Ben Raccoon
http://www.furnation.com/ben_raccoon
Wait a minute... You just NOW found out about this guy? You didn't even
/watch/ that BBC show, did you? I'm so disappointed...
-Ostrich! <")
http://www.cambridgephotos.com/misc2/
>> Now [Tiger Guy's] infamy is duct-taped to furry fandom's for all
>> eternity!
>
> Wait a minute... You just NOW found out about this guy? You didn't
> even /watch/ that BBC show, did you? I'm so disappointed...
I guess the quality of trolls is degrading, he's not even obsessing
properly anymore. How sad.
--
-Rann Aridorn
==========================================================
"Now, Diggers, let's... not lose our temper... violence is NOT the
answer!"
"You're right, Gothwrain. It's not the answer. Violence is a question...
the -answer- is YES!"
-Gold Digger #4
> Well, laff it up while you can. As each media report comes out about
> furry "fandom", the more I win.
'Media reports'...VF, MTV and Stuff Magazine.Oooookay... I can see it now:
'OH MY GOD!!!! Look at these evil creatures! This so-called 'Furry Fandom'
is a bigger threat to Amurrica than terrorism! It's the Axis of Furry Evil!
Call up the reserves! Give the President special powers to give fursuiters
sercret military trials! We've got to stop them now!!!!' What color *is* the
sky in your world, Mr. Mike? :D
Oh, and BTW, what exactly do you stand to 'win' by 'defeating' us? Peace of
mind? The PCH Sweepstakes? A cheap plush toy like you get at carnivals? I'm
honestly curious...
> Furries? Kind? LOL!
Not that I expect you to recognize kindness, m'man. Just saying. Later!
Let's that white stuff they have on them IS just a cream filling.
Michael Hirtes wrote:
>
> Still doesn't distract from the fact that you guys have embraced a
> freakjob, so let's hear no excuses come from your cookie-encrusted
> mouths the next time a Vanity Fair or Loaded comes along to do their
> article on furry fandom.
Cookie encrusted? (Gads, he's running out of material if that's the best
he can do)
All you vile people who dast let cookie crumbs rest needlessly on your
lips! You are tearing down the fandom, and giving Mike the collywobbles!
For shame!
Kyle L. Webb
Hartree Fox on yiffnet
(Though I do like a good sugar cookie from time to time. My dad used to
make some excellent ones. Does that make me a cookie lifestyler?)
> Our friend Mr. Hirtes has
> stopped being an annoyance to me, and instead become a fine source of
cheap
> yocks.
I was thinking the other day how much of an institution he's become within
the furry fandom. He's a bit like Lumpy the Evil Squirrel used to be.
Everyone likes to complain about him, but I honestly think that if he
vanished, he'd be missed.
-Ostrich! <")
"Ostrich in a leotard! That's like walking into a room and catching
Bondage Bob having anal sex with Eleanor Roosevelt!" -M. Hirtes
> Oh, and BTW, what exactly do you stand to 'win' by 'defeating' us?
> Peace of mind? The PCH Sweepstakes? A cheap plush toy like you get at
> carnivals? I'm honestly curious...
I've noticed that he seems to obsess over the fandom and anything even
vaguely furry far more than anyone I've seen who's actually IN the
fandom. It's like all those "Moral Superiority" church people who spend
fourteen hours a day surfing porn sites so they can say "This is
horrible and evil!"
>But he hasn't found any other hobby that he can enjoy enough to fill the void
>that his past enjoyment of furry fandom left behind when it stopped being fun
>for him. So his only new hobby now is "bitching at us and listening to people
>reply, preferably in an upset manner".
>
>(Disclaimer: Hey, it's not much of a hobby, but it just narrowly edges out
>"building a scale replica of the eiffel tower out of your own toenail
>clippings". Not by much, but it did come out a little ahead.)
Hmmm... well, given the choice, I'd rather stick with furry. I enjoy
my art and animation. And even though some would enjoy playing the
resident doomsayer of the fandom, that can't be very entertaining for
long.
Besides, a scale replica of the eiffel tower out of toenail
clippings?
That would take forever!!!
Slade
> I was thinking the other day how much of an institution he's become within
> the furry fandom. He's a bit like Lumpy the Evil Squirrel used to be.
> Everyone likes to complain about him, but I honestly think that if he
> vanished, he'd be missed.
BWA-HA-HAAAAAA!!! Mikey as Lumpy! An obnoxious twerp pissing down on us from
the trees! That's as fine as simile as any I've ever heard, Oz. :) Something
to aspire to, eh Mikey? And you're right, I *am* growing a little fond of
him by now. Go fig.
Keep your freakish sexual obsessions out of our fandom.
--
Nebulous Rikulau
"There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary and those
who don't."
---Greg
I had a vague understanding, but wanted to answer your question anyway,
since it was such a neat question! :)
As for the hamster story, I can sort of relate. I've always had problems
with my family. I often want to disown them; it's a sort of love/hate
relationship most of the time. It is getting better, but 2 years ago, when I
left Seattle for a college course in Scotland, I felt ready to move on from
that family and forget all about it, and the only things I felt tied to in
Seattle were a Thai restaurant, and my little dog, Honey. (Pomeranian,
orange, cute and sweet as anything)
Wouldn't ya know, before I could come back and figure out a better solution,
my mum gave my dog away...
Animal companions are very important to us. Often closer than other human
beings, since they don't judge, criticize, or argue with us. Their love is
unconditional, so we can be ourselves with them.
I have yet to find a human who does that all the time...
--Amee
>
> Yeah, that does kinda change the picture, and may explain a few things.
>
> Kyle L. Webb
> Hartree Fox on yiffnet
Not really. Here's something to think about as you strut around, feeling
all high and mighty over me.......
You see, this all began when I once told this to Jim Groat (who was
felling low at the time, and I tried to make him feel better about
something he was feeling down about. MY BIG MISTAKE!), who no doubt
blabbed it out to anyone who would listen, and eventually to Brian's
grimy ears, and now out into the world, simply as a vicious attempt to
wound.
If anything, all this blabbermouthing by Brian has done was very
effectively prove my point on how nasty, how spiteful, how mean-spirited
furry fans really are. Every single wretched one of them. If you found
yourself accidently doused with gasoline and you saw a furry holding a
match, you'd better run for your life, because that furry will light it
up and flick it at you "just because". I'm not surprised in the least
that a corpulent slug like Brian would use such information in the form
of an attack against me. He has the morals of a horsefly. Pray that he
never gets any dirt on you (in more ways than one).
But in the Big Picture, it still doesn't seem to provide a decent excuse
(or even an effective distraction) for Brian to have scammed so many
people. What I may be (or he _thinks_ I may be) doesn't seem to be much
explanation to his own ppersonal behavior.
> > Nah, I was calling Hirtes hamsterboy, I remember when he kept calling
> Jerry
> > Collins and I on the phone for almost 5 hours straight (to the point where
> > we had to play tag team), whining about having to move to new government
> > housing, afraid that they wouldn't let him bring his hamster along, even
> > going so far as to compare his hamster to his dead mother... Hence
> > "Hamsterboy"...
What Brian, in his mindless attempt to be so unbelievably cruel,
conveniently neglects to mention is that my only pet had passed away
shortly after my mother's death and my being homeless (try having ALL
THREE tragedies happen in your life within such a short span of time and
let's see how it effects YOU, you inhuman cocksuckers!!).
Thought you'd like to know the facts (not that it's any of your biz in
the first place).
That does sound really harsh, and I doubt anybody would deal with it well
having lost so many things that're important for them. I really feel sad
that this happened to you. :(
I'm sure anybody here would be practically traumatised by such an
experience, and I think you and they all know this, too. You might get your
point across better, as well as more of others' respect and understanding,
if you'd just left out that last insult.
I'm not trying to patronise or "nanny" you, but I think you're in need of
some respect, as is everyone else on this group.
> Thought you'd like to know the facts (not that it's any of your biz in
> the first place).
I don't mind what you want to tell me, I don't expect or demand that you
tell me everything, and I'd respect it if you said "I don't want to talk
about that."
However, it does give me a better vantage point, and I did try to empathise,
though I can't say yet that I've ever lost my mother.
--Amee
>
> I'm sure anybody here would be practically traumatised by such an
> experience, and I think you and they all know this, too.
Actually no. I seriously doubt they do. They no ability to know when a
blow's too low to punch. Just surprised these ghouls here have'nt dissed
my mother's memory, monsterous as they are.
In fact, the ONLY person to have sent me any sort of condolences was an
artist named Dusty Rhoades (I believe that's how he spelled it). It was
an act of kindness so rare in this godawful genre, I still remember it
to this day, nearly ten years after.
> You might get your
> point across better, as well as more of others' respect and understanding,
> if you'd just left out that last insult.
I call 'em as I see 'em.
>
> I'm not trying to patronise or "nanny" you, but I think you're in need of
> some respect, as is everyone else on this group.
Me? Get respect? HERE?? Yeah, LOL!
>
> > Thought you'd like to know the facts (not that it's any of your biz in
> > the first place).
>
> I don't mind what you want to tell me, I don't expect or demand that you
> tell me everything, and I'd respect it if you said "I don't want to talk
> about that."
> However, it does give me a better vantage point, and I did try to empathise,
> though I can't say yet that I've ever lost my mother.
>
And after dealing with the likes of furry, I doubt most of these walking
maggots ever even HAD a mother, seeing how they act.
Again, calling 'em as I see 'em.
The point, summarized:
1) You decry furry spooge art, at the same time that you sell furry spooge art.
2) You state your distance from the fandom, at the same time selling furry fan
art on a furry fan site (which is obviously not distant from the fandom).
I think he's just saying that if you actually physically can't think logically
and rationally, then we know you're not just being an asshole, and then there'd
be no point in trying to debate with you since you couldn't participate even if
you wanted to.
But you're the one who issues us ultimatums and directives about who we should
"publicly denounce" this week. Why are you the one who says who's in and who's
out?
Why? What did I do that I should feel guilty? I don't recall doing anything to
any publishers.
So, people have to clear all their actions with you now? Why you? You seem to
think you're the center of the universe for some reason. Why is that?
No, one person. Tell me, who did I tell this to? You just said that every
furry fan was exactly the same. What did I do that was nasty, spiteful, and
mean-spirited?
Follow-up question (and that means that you are welcome to answer both
paragraphs): what would you do to repair furry fandom?
> 2) You state your distance from the fandom, at the same
> time selling furry fan art on a furry fan site (which is obviously not
> distant from the fandom).
While regularly posting to a furry message board.
>
> I think he's just saying that if you actually physically can't think
> logically
> and rationally,
Excuse me, but do you REALLY have to dehumanise me THAT badly?
No wonder I'm volcanic with such hatred of furry!
> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:04:55 GMT, Michael wrote:
> >
> >Sad to know that some are so hateful towards me that they're even
> >willing to take it out ona nice guy like karabiner, just to get at me.
> >Oh well, no one's putting a gun against your head to buy it, and it's
> >nowhere as repulsive as a guy that mutiliates himself to grotesque
> >levels (even worse than Michael Jackson has).
>
> The point, summarized:
>
> 1) You decry furry spooge art,
Where? When? I decry badly drawn spooge art, but that's mostly it.
> 2) You state your distance from the fandom, at the same time selling furry
> fan
> art on a furry fan site (which is obviously not distant from the fandom).
What did you want me to do with all the stuff? Toss it into the dumpster?
I've had two of those at once, and extended periods of being homeless, and my
mother might as well be dead, since from the time I was 2 years old until I
finally got rid of her, she was off blowing her money on booze and drugs and
spending weekends in jail instead of spending it on things like heat and water
and food and rent.
Michael Hirtes wrote:
>
> Oh, and BTW Steve, why are YOU not gainfully employed? I'm sure wifey
> brings home plenty enough moola from Boeing (for now anyway. Wait till
> that pink slip arrives. That'll be good for a laugh outta me) so you can
> pursue your pastime of pepper-farming and dragging out furrydom's most
> tedious comic for nearly twenty years, but don't you want to be a MAN?
>
> I'm disabled. What's YOUR excuse?
>
That's right, you're disabled. And this whole tedious thread, and all
too much of your legitimately tragic life is to large extent because of
it. And there really isn't much more to say about all of it. That you
keep this up is simply a matter of your pathology and I'm not going to
get into the senseless (and likely harmful) cycle by debating any of it
with you and would encourage others to do likewise. It can't be doing
you any good, mentally or emotionally, and in knowing of your
disability, it would be immoral to provoke you, as it would be to abuse
any handicapped person.
Yeah, that's right. Use O'Connells info for all it's worth and
dehumanise me. Quite predictable, really.
What's the joke? I don't get it. Just seems like a bunch of people
shouting now. :/
- Blackfoot
How 'bout we give it a decidedly furry twist, for the purpose of
putting a smile on everyone's face...I think we can all use that of
late!
Who thinks masquerades are fun?
Who buys spooge art by the ton?
We do! We do!
Who listens to the gryphon's rants?
Who pins fake tails to their pants?
We do! We do!
Who bids at auction for Nutella
And pictures of that Chester fella?
We do! We do!
Who wears costumes made of fur
And answers phones with barks and purrs?
We do! We do!
Who makes Kage shave his head?
Who understands the things I've said?
We do! We do!
Yes, I know that I've got too many verses here with respect to the
original song. As an old time filker, I can't help myself. Consider
it an "Extended Dance Remix."
Your parodist,
Toolfox [1]
toolfox*nym.alias.net
(un-splat the @)
[1] Credit where credit is due, PixyVixy was a big help on this.
Good-oh! I was thinking of doing just that, but you did it first and
better. Bravo! :)
-MMM-
Michael Hirtes wrote:
Geez, you really -are- a sociopath, aren't you? In one breath you decry
Brian's cruelty and conveniently overlook all of the cruelty you yourself
dispense on a regular basis. You have no empathy for anyone beyond yourself.
It's hard to give up any sympathy for you, Michael, regardless of how deserving
it might be, in light of how little you have for anybody else. You're only
reaping what you sow.
--
-Chuck Melville-
Bart: Wow, a former president living right across the street.
Homer: Oh, why did he have to move in on _my_ territory? Look at him. Thinks
just because he led the free world, he can act like a big shot! Stupid
President... why couldn't he just stay in his own state?
Lisa: Actually, this _is_ one of the nine states where Mr. Bush claims
residency, Dad. I wouldn't have voted for him, but it's nice to have a celebrity
in the neighborhood.
Homer: Wait a minute... if _Lisa_ didn't vote for him... and _I_ didn't vote for
him --
Marge: You didn't vote for anybody.
Homer: I voted for Prell to go back to the old glass bottle. After that, I
became deeply cynical.
-- A rare glimpse of Homer, member of the electorate, "Two Bad Neighbors"
Michael Hirtes wrote:
> In article <aj25i4$e11$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Amee Flynn" <acidb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm sure anybody here would be practically traumatised by such an
> > experience, and I think you and they all know this, too.
>
> Actually no. I seriously doubt they do. They no ability to know when a
> blow's too low to punch. Just surprised these ghouls here have'nt dissed
> my mother's memory, monsterous as they are.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
--
(Callin' it as he sees it.)
>Slade, where could I find your art and stuff?
>
>John Shughart
>
>now as bluecollie55 at Yahoo
Sorry for the late reply, but since my ISP went down *and* my nic
card decided to die I've had to blow the dust off my dialup modem.
From ADSL to 33.6........bleah!
I should have either my site or a working directory up in a few
days. The animations are taking a *lot* longer than I had hoped, so
it'll be mostly stuff I've inked and some pencils. I'll post when it's
ready.
Thanks for the interest. :)
Slade
Maybe since they haven't seen your good side, they believe that you're
heartless and won't be hurt by anything they say.
> In fact, the ONLY person to have sent me any sort of condolences was an
> artist named Dusty Rhoades (I believe that's how he spelled it). It was
> an act of kindness so rare in this godawful genre, I still remember it
> to this day, nearly ten years after.
Amazing how you can ignore the girl who's trying to be nice right in front
of you...or are your shields up to he point where you don't realise that's
what I'm trying to do? :)
> > You might get your
> > point across better, as well as more of others' respect and
understanding,
> > if you'd just left out that last insult.
>
> I call 'em as I see 'em.
Still, it's probably not getting the results you want, is it?
What results do you want, anyway? Because I don't think I've had a chance to
find out.
> > I'm not trying to patronise or "nanny" you, but I think you're in need
of
> > some respect, as is everyone else on this group.
>
> Me? Get respect? HERE?? Yeah, LOL!
Hon, *I* was trying to give you respect, I'm not ruled by what everyone else
is doing. Your good side seems to have a very significant blind spot...
> > I don't mind what you want to tell me, I don't expect or demand that you
> > tell me everything, and I'd respect it if you said "I don't want to talk
> > about that."
> > However, it does give me a better vantage point, and I did try to
empathise,
> > though I can't say yet that I've ever lost my mother.
> >
>
> And after dealing with the likes of furry, I doubt most of these walking
> maggots ever even HAD a mother, seeing how they act.
>
> Again, calling 'em as I see 'em.
How does this apply to what I said? I think I've been pretty understanding,
and I'm talking about my own experiences, myself, and my own mother.
Are you really just here for the adrenalyne you get from fighting? (That is
addictive, you should be careful.)
--Amee
> >
> > What Brian, in his mindless attempt to be so unbelievably cruel,
> > conveniently neglects to mention is that my only pet had passed away
> > shortly after my mother's death and my being homeless (try having ALL
> > THREE tragedies happen in your life within such a short span of time and
> > let's see how it effects YOU, you inhuman cocksuckers!!).
>
> Geez, you really -are- a sociopath, aren't you?
Yeah, I lose my mother, home, and pet in one brief stroke. I guess I'd
have to be a wackjob for feeling bad about those things, wouldn't I?
> In one breath you decry
> Brian's cruelty and conveniently overlook all of the cruelty you yourself
> dispense on a regular basis.
Have YOU ever had anything as profoundly tragic happen to you? All
three? Within a few months?
I seriously doubt it.
And to think that you're bitching at me for being upset about it just
shows how low some furries will go to crush me.
> You have no empathy for anyone beyond yourself.
Um, where was YOUR condolences when all this went down, Chucko? It's not
like it didn't reach AFF at the time. In fact, a quick scan on Google
sez:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Hirtes+mother+group:alt.fan.furry&hl=e
n&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_
maxm=2&as_maxy=1993&selm=1789.1024.uupcb%40satalink.com&rnum=1>
Where were the charity auctions? The benefit comics? Did anyone even
bother to think I was worth the price of a sympathy card and a stamp
(very low postage in those days, compared to today), just to let me know
that someone gave a shit?
In fact, exept for that post from Ray and ONE letter that came from
Dusty, all I got were a bunch of sniveling "NnNNngGghh! When are you
gonna do more zines?? Gimme my zines!! NOW!!" crap in the midst of my
mourning period (and between addresses, all of this during the Christmas
holiday season no less). I'm sure reading all that made you grin from
ear to ear, but I wouldn't even wish such a fate on the likes of you.
> It's hard to give up any sympathy for you, Michael, regardless of how
> deserving
> it might be, in light of how little you have for anybody else. You're only
> reaping what you sow.
Let me get this straight. You're saying that I had all of this
preemptive misery coming to me in 1992, because I didn't kiss anyone's
ass in furry fandom all through the rest of the 90's?
Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, I could have become
this way BECAUSE of all the crap I had been put through BECAUSE of furry
fandom? The chronology of events backs up my claim.
(okay, my respect for furry fandom, already dancing on the Earth's
tectonic plates, sinks even a few more miles)
Chuck, our banters on AFF on fan crap is one thing, but I would STRONGLY
recommend that you drop your little below-the-belt attacks here. You
have NO idea of the magnitude of shit I have to put up with, so do not
go around looking down your proverbial nose at me.
> Michael Hirtes wrote:
>
> > In article <aj25i4$e11$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> > "Amee Flynn" <acidb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I'm sure anybody here would be practically traumatised by such an
> > > experience, and I think you and they all know this, too.
> >
> > Actually no. I seriously doubt they do. They no ability to know when a
> > blow's too low to punch. Just surprised these ghouls here have'nt dissed
> > my mother's memory, monsterous as they are.
>
> Pot. Kettle. Black.
Chuck, I already know that your immense contempt for me is so profound
that you take sadistic delight in my mother's death. You've already been
warned to drop it.
I don't know if you caught my most resent posts in this mess, but in
case you haven't, the gist of it is that Mike is disabled, with brain
damage (not a pejorative cheap shot, a clinical fact) and he really
can't be reasoned with and has social issues. That's why I'm off the pig
pile. He is best simply left alone as reacting to him is a pointless
excersize.
And please remember that not all of us were involved in furrydom as far back
as 1992. Along with Amee, I have no personal reason to dislike you--I don't
even know you. You may have issues or problems with others in the fandom
but we've never done anything to hurt you and have no intention of doing so.
I *have* lost my parents so I have some idea how it feels.
--Fender
Well, at least I can say I tried. I know I'm the type to "mother" people
online, (Yes! I admit it) but have usually found it to have good effects.
...
Mike, I *really* don't have anything against you. I'm sure, as everybody
knows of themselves deep down, you're a really good person. If I'd been
there when your troubles happened I'd not only have sent a sympathy card
(hand drawn), I would've spent a few nights just sitting in front of my
computer consoling you as I've done for so many of my friends.
Thing is, right now, I can't really afford the stress anyway since I don't
know you well enough to be a friend. If you were to "open up" to me as
somebody who's trying to be nice, it might be a different story, but I'm not
a trained therapist or counsellor, I can only be a friend, and to be a
friend I have to be treated like one.
So I'm going to pull myself from the argument, for everybody's sake, and
especially so that I don't turn into the Flamewar Nanny ;)
I wish you *all* good luck & happy times, and hope that at some point you'll
be able to sort your differences...This may be naievety, or seeing the world
through rose-tinted glasses, but I think that with a bit of effort it could
happen, and everyone would be happier in the process.
--Amee
>
> Amazing how you can ignore the girl who's trying to be nice right in front
> of you...or are your shields up to he point where you don't realise that's
> what I'm trying to do? :)
As you'll see with Steve's libel & dehumanise me in his follow-up to
your post, is it any wonder I have the mega-firewall I have to have?
This is the kind of bullshit I have to go through at the hands of these
fucks. Steve seems to think he has a stack of medical documents on me
and now wants to go around slandering me on the net.
>
> > > You might get your
> > > point across better, as well as more of others' respect and
> understanding,
> > > if you'd just left out that last insult.
> >
> > I call 'em as I see 'em.
>
> Still, it's probably not getting the results you want, is it?
Actually, I wasn't expecting any results from them. To do so is to
assume that they have a gram of human decency, respect, or even
consideration towwards others. I already know that they're a pack of
inhuman bastards. I've finally given up trying to salvage something
worth saving in this "fandom". Now I got is some fat bald asshole in
Seattle making slander about me.
Yes, Steve. I'm calling you out! PROVE that I am insane. You seem to
think you have all the evidence to support your right to dehumanise and
slander me. Don't give me none of that "well, all your postings.....blah
blah blah...." bullshit. Plop a stack of actual medical records in front
of me to back up your claim, or forever STFU, you smug little jackoff.
You're right, Mike, I don't have any documentation as to your actual
clinical condition. But are you saying you don't have a clinical
condition? That the claim by others of you being "officially" disabled
is not true, or that your status is a sham? I don't know. Perhaps you
could provide the official word?
However, my mentioning your alleged condition, far from being an attack,
is intended for the rest of the crowd to back off in their reactions to
you. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that the worst of
your outbursts are the results of a social behavior or emotional
management problem brought on by brain trauma and should be discounted.
You're clearly not stupid and can even be fairly articulate, but you do
go off on bizarre tangents and rages, as well as a history of behavior,
consistent with what's been alleged. So even if you haven't been
diagnosed with such, you sure act like it.
>
> > Yes, Steve. I'm calling you out! PROVE that I am insane. You seem to
> > think you have all the evidence to support your right to dehumanise and
> > slander me. Don't give me none of that "well, all your postings.....blah
> > blah blah...." bullshit. Plop a stack of actual medical records in front
> > of me to back up your claim, or forever STFU, you smug little jackoff.
>
> You're right, Mike, I don't have any documentation as to your actual
> clinical condition.
> But are you saying you don't have a clinical
> condition? That the claim by others of you being "officially" disabled
> is not true, or that your status is a sham?
No, I just said that my disability (which iso none of your business in
the first place) has nothing to do with any mental impairment.
> I don't know.
Yes, you don't know. But that never seems to hinder you from shooting
your mouth off anyway, does it?
> Perhaps you
> could provide the official word?
> However, my mentioning your alleged condition,
Remember, the key word you NOW is is "alleged". Last time you posted,
you acted like to downloaded my medical files from smokinggun.com or
something.
> far from being an attack,
> is intended for the rest of the crowd to back off in their reactions to
> you.
Or in other words, "Don't pick on the wacko. He might grab a machette &
hockeymask and hack you up."
And what's ironic here is that someone who surgically mutilates themself
is regarded as a vanguard in this genre, whereas the one who finds that
to be repulsive is accused of being insane.
(shakes his head in utter disbelief)
I may not be nuts, but it's a miracle that 13 years in furry fandom
hasn't driven me insane by now.
> I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that the worst of
> your outbursts are the results of a social behavior or emotional
> management problem brought on by brain trauma and should be discounted.
So you continue to diss me AND continue with your libel with
allegations. NOW who's the one with a mental problem, Steve?
> You're clearly not stupid and can even be fairly articulate, but you do
> go off on bizarre tangents and rages, as well as a history of behavior,
> consistent with what's been alleged. So even if you haven't been
> diagnosed with such, you sure act like it.
What's the clinical term for "dullard", Steve?
You say that like you find it hard to believe *anyone* could be that
deliberately unpleasant, Mr. Steve. You've obviously never worked a retail
job, you lucky duck. Mikey here is downright sedate compared to some of the
walking wounded I encoutered, say, during my years at The Disney Store. :>
--
Kevin J. Mulder
slick...@xecu.net
"Heaven goes by favor. If it went by
merit, you would stay out, and your
dog would go in."
-Mark Twain
Michael Hirtes wrote:
In article <3D554B8B...@zipcon.com>,
Chuck Melville <cp...@zipcon.com> wrote:> >
> > What Brian, in his mindless attempt to be so unbelievably cruel,
> > conveniently neglects to mention is that my only pet had passed away
> > shortly after my mother's death and my being homeless (try having ALL
> > THREE tragedies happen in your life within such a short span of time and
> > let's see how it effects YOU, you inhuman cocksuckers!!).
>
> Geez, you really -are- a sociopath, aren't you?Yeah, I lose my mother, home, and pet in one brief stroke. I guess I'd
have to be a wackjob for feeling bad about those things, wouldn't I?
As per usual, you're too thick to get the point, Michael. It isn't that you don't feel pain for your loss (or that you shouldn't) but that it is the only pain you empathize with. Whenever it comes to other's misfortunes around here, slight or great, you harbor no sympathy at all, but run roughshod over them. Hence, you are a sociopath.
> In one breath you decry
> Brian's cruelty and conveniently overlook all of the cruelty you yourself
> dispense on a regular basis.Have YOU ever had anything as profoundly tragic happen to you? All
three? Within a few months?
You think you're the only one who has? You're still missing or avoiding the point.
I seriously doubt it.And to think that you're bitching at me for being upset about it just
shows how low some furries will go to crush me.
The fact that you always seem to think we've no better interests or ambitions than 'crushing' you indicates how deep some of your problems actually go.
> You have no empathy for anyone beyond yourself.Um, where was YOUR condolences when all this went down, Chucko? It's not
like it didn't reach AFF at the time. In fact, a quick scan on Google
sez:<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Hirtes+mother+group:alt.fan.furry&hl=e
n&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_
maxm=2&as_maxy=1993&selm=1789.1024.uupcb%40satalink.com&rnum=1>Where were the charity auctions? The benefit comics? Did anyone even
bother to think I was worth the price of a sympathy card and a stamp
(very low postage in those days, compared to today), just to let me know
that someone gave a shit?
I wouldn't know, Michael. In 1992 I doubt that I had even heard of you, and I wasn't reading AFF at that time. You tell me: how many people did you manage to aggravate back then that they managed to ignore you at such a tragic time? If people were being cold then there was probably a reason, and I doubt that you would need to look further than your own front door.
In fact, exept for that post from Ray and ONE letter that came from
Dusty, all I got were a bunch of sniveling "NnNNngGghh! When are you
gonna do more zines?? Gimme my zines!! NOW!!" crap in the midst of my
mourning period (and between addresses, all of this during the Christmas
holiday season no less). I'm sure reading all that made you grin from
ear to ear, but I wouldn't even wish such a fate on the likes of you.> It's hard to give up any sympathy for you, Michael, regardless of how
> deserving
> it might be, in light of how little you have for anybody else. You're only
> reaping what you sow.Let me get this straight. You're saying that I had all of this
preemptive misery coming to me in 1992, because I didn't kiss anyone's
ass in furry fandom all through the rest of the 90's?
I'm saying that it's more likely, given your personality and history, that your problems with people began a lot earlier than you may realize. It's not as though you suddenly metamorphosed into your current personality overnight; you've simply grown worse over the years.
Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, I could have become
this way BECAUSE of all the crap I had been put through BECAUSE of furry
fandom? The chronology of events backs up my claim.
Only in your imagination. The rest of us, especially those of us who have dealings or brushes with you over the years, view that chronology with a more jaundiced eye than you.
(okay, my respect for furry fandom, already dancing on the Earth's
tectonic plates, sinks even a few more miles)Chuck, our banters on AFF on fan crap is one thing, but I would STRONGLY
recommend that you drop your little below-the-belt attacks here. You
have NO idea of the magnitude of shit I have to put up with, so do not
go around looking down your proverbial nose at me.
Michael, if you have that much of a load to deal with in your life, than coming here and antagonizing people is the last thing you need to be doing. Seriously, you need to break away and seek some help.
Michael Hirtes wrote:
> In article <3D554C02...@zipcon.com>,
> Chuck Melville <cp...@zipcon.com> wrote:
>
> > Michael Hirtes wrote:
> >
> > > In article <aj25i4$e11$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> > > "Amee Flynn" <acidb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure anybody here would be practically traumatised by such an
> > > > experience, and I think you and they all know this, too.
> > >
> > > Actually no. I seriously doubt they do. They no ability to know when a
> > > blow's too low to punch. Just surprised these ghouls here have'nt dissed
> > > my mother's memory, monsterous as they are.
> >
> > Pot. Kettle. Black.
>
> Chuck, I already know that your immense contempt for me is so profound
> that you take sadistic delight in my mother's death. You've already been
> warned to drop it.
You have an amazing talent for reading into things that simply aren't
there. Despite what you think, I take no delight in your mom's death, nor have
I said anything to suggest that I do. (Though I certainly can't control your
paranoia.) The point, which continues to bounce off of your thick pate, is
that you're in position to complain about the cruelties and insensitivities of
others. When you revert to humanity and reconnect with the basic sensitivities
and courtesies, you'll find more people willing to express sympathy towards
you; but continue to behave like an ass and you'll just have to endure. You
bring it upon yourself.
--
*plonk!*
Again, you insist on making insinuations there, Steve. Your deliberate
obsession to slander me is unfathomable.
Please, go fuck yourself.
Michael Hirtes wrote:
And I, for one, thank you for it.
> You have an amazing talent for reading into things that simply
> aren't
> there. Despite what you think, I take no delight in your mom's death,
> nor have I said anything to suggest that I do. (Though I certainly
> can't control your paranoia.) The point, which continues to bounce
> off of your thick pate, is that you're in position to complain about
> the cruelties and insensitivities of others. When you revert to
> humanity and reconnect with the basic sensitivities and courtesies,
> you'll find more people willing to express sympathy towards you; but
> continue to behave like an ass and you'll just have to endure. You
> bring it upon yourself.
You know, I'm almost sorry I killfiled Hirtes so quickly after I started
reading this group. I had no idea he was a staple troll of the fandom...
I thought he was just some random asshole. n.n He seems like the sort
that's so absolutely delusional and vehement that it's fun to see how
far you can push 'em before they pop.
--
-Rann Aridorn
==========================================================
"Now, Diggers, let's... not lose our temper... violence is NOT the
answer!"
"You're right, Gothwrain. It's not the answer. Violence is a question...
the -answer- is YES!"
-Gold Digger #4
> Chuck Melville <cp...@zipcon.com> was so distracted by the Puma Twins
> doing a poledance that they wrote:
[snipped, because what I plonk, I *want* to remain plonked]
>
> You know, I'm almost sorry I killfiled Hirtes so quickly after I started
> reading this group. I had no idea he was a staple troll of the fandom...
> I thought he was just some random asshole. n.n He seems like the sort
> that's so absolutely delusional and vehement that it's fun to see how
> far you can push 'em before they pop.
Which just proves the sadism of this genre of fools.
Rann Aridorn wrote:
> Chuck Melville <cp...@zipcon.com> was so distracted by the Puma Twins
> doing a poledance that they wrote:
>
> > You have an amazing talent for reading into things that simply
> > aren't
> > there. Despite what you think, I take no delight in your mom's death,
> > nor have I said anything to suggest that I do. (Though I certainly
> > can't control your paranoia.) The point, which continues to bounce
> > off of your thick pate, is that you're in position to complain about
> > the cruelties and insensitivities of others. When you revert to
> > humanity and reconnect with the basic sensitivities and courtesies,
> > you'll find more people willing to express sympathy towards you; but
> > continue to behave like an ass and you'll just have to endure. You
> > bring it upon yourself.
>
> You know, I'm almost sorry I killfiled Hirtes so quickly after I started
> reading this group. I had no idea he was a staple troll of the fandom...
> I thought he was just some random asshole. n.n He seems like the sort
> that's so absolutely delusional and vehement that it's fun to see how
> far you can push 'em before they pop.
Only if you're into that sort of adolescent humor. In spite of what he
might believe, I don't really take any pleasure from these exchanges. I'm
simply calling him out for his aggressive bullying and inability to deal
with his problems at their roots: with himself.
As for delusional... we've actually had worse here, and not so long
ago.