Returning bottles
Brett Bayne
glass soda bottles and return them to the local grocery store or mini-market to
get the deposit.
Do people still do this? I am looking at a plastic Fiji water bottle, which
bears a label that reads, "ME 5 cent Dep. - CA Redemption Value" on the label.
If I took this back to the 7-11, would they give me a nickel for it? I'm not
broke, I swear, I'm just curious to know if people still return bottles for the
deposit.
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Carl Fink
> If I took this back to the 7-11, would they give me a nickel for it? I'm not
> broke, I swear, I'm just curious to know if people still return bottles for the
> deposit.
The question sounds almost absurd to me. Of course I return my
returnable bottles.
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Rick B.
news:20030316181818...@mb-cg.aol.com:
> I recall that when I was a kid living in Florida, our family
> would save empty glass soda bottles and return them to the local
> grocery store or mini-market to get the deposit.
>
> Do people still do this? I am looking at a plastic Fiji water
> bottle, which bears a label that reads, "ME 5 cent Dep. - CA
> Redemption Value" on the label. If I took this back to the 7-11,
> would they give me a nickel for it?
Some states and cities mandate deposits on beverage containers,
mostly as an attempt to reduce litter. If that's the case in your
part of CA, yeah, wherever you bought it should give you back
whatever the deposit value is.
> I'm not broke, I swear, I'm
> just curious to know if people still return bottles for the
> deposit.
I think they're more likely to do so if they buy a full case of
something, where they would at least get a couple bucks for the lot.
I haven't returned any bottles since 1980 in Evanston, Illinois; back
home in South Jersey they'd been gone from supermarkets for at least
ten years by then, although you could still find them at gas stations
and maybe some smaller stores.
Rick B.
Dana Carpender
Rick B. wrote:
> bret...@aol.commieplot (Brett Bayne) wrote in
> news:20030316181818...@mb-cg.aol.com:
>
>
>>I recall that when I was a kid living in Florida, our family
>>would save empty glass soda bottles and return them to the local
>>grocery store or mini-market to get the deposit.
>>
>>Do people still do this? I am looking at a plastic Fiji water
>>bottle, which bears a label that reads, "ME 5 cent Dep. - CA
>>Redemption Value" on the label. If I took this back to the 7-11,
>>would they give me a nickel for it?
>
>
> Some states and cities mandate deposits on beverage containers,
> mostly as an attempt to reduce litter. If that's the case in your
> part of CA, yeah, wherever you bought it should give you back
> whatever the deposit value is.
>
>
>>I'm not broke, I swear, I'm
>>just curious to know if people still return bottles for the
>>deposit.
>
>
> I think they're more likely to do so if they buy a full case of
> something, where they would at least get a couple bucks for the lot.
>
Well, but a nickle or a dime per bottle is enough that those who are
short on cash -- homeless and unemployed -- will collect them and turn
them in for the money. A great way to keep our neighborhoods clean.
Dana
Bermuda999
>Well, but a nickle or a dime per bottle is enough that those who are
>short on cash -- homeless and unemployed -- will collect them and turn
>them in for the money. A great way to keep our neighborhoods clean.
If we could only get them to pull rickshaws.
NadCixelsyd
>short on cash -- homeless and unemployed -- will collect them and turn
>them in for the money. A great way to keep our neighborhoods clean.
One of the consequences of the bottle bill here in Massachusetts was that the
bums would simply tip over trash cans in order to see if there were any
deposit bottles. They rarely put the trash back.
Dana Carpender
Well, that seriously sucks. And I have no facile solution.
Dana
bob geary
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Not that I'm doubting that a trash can has ever been tipped over, but
I've lived in Massachusetts pre- and post-bottle bill, and I ain't
seen it. I see lots fewer (lots fewer? that just doesn't sound
right) bottles by the sides of the roads post-bottle bill than I
remember seeing pre-bottle bill (and most of those are water-type
products, which for some odd reason aren't covered by the bill), but I
don't remember any tipped-over trash cans.
Where in Massachusetts are you routinely seeing dumped-out trash cans?
And which bums explained the strategy behind it, so you wouldn't
attribute it to young hoodla?
bobg
GrapeApe
Generally, only in those states listed on the bottle, where the deposit return
is supported by law. The groceries and the vendors don't give a damn otherwise
in the states where it used to be done... that is, they don't want the emptys,
and will not give you a nickel.
Soda companies have gotten away from glass for the most part anyway.
Jason Quick
news:20030317001033...@mb-co.aol.com...
Yeah, but funnily enough, they still put a hell of a lot of soda in aluminum
cans and recyclable plastic bottles.
Jason
Blinky the Shark
> bret...@aol.commieplot (Brett Bayne) wrote in
> news:20030316181818...@mb-cg.aol.com:
>> I recall that when I was a kid living in Florida, our family
>> would save empty glass soda bottles and return them to the local
>> grocery store or mini-market to get the deposit.
>> Do people still do this? I am looking at a plastic Fiji water
>> bottle, which bears a label that reads, "ME 5 cent Dep. - CA
>> Redemption Value" on the label. If I took this back to the 7-11,
>> would they give me a nickel for it?
> Some states and cities mandate deposits on beverage containers,
> mostly as an attempt to reduce litter. If that's the case in your
> part of CA, yeah, wherever you bought it should give you back
> whatever the deposit value is.
I live in California. LA. I can't remember the last time I saw even a
grocery store take bottles back. There are recycling centers. Most of
them seem to be in grocery store parking lots. They're very, very
common. Franlky, I'm not sure what, exactly BB's asking, here -- he
can't live in CA and not know how to recycle deposit bottles and cans,
and, I would hope, he's not just pitching them out the car window.
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>I recall that when I was a kid living in Florida, our family would save empty
>glass soda bottles and return them to the local grocery store or mini-market to
>get the deposit.
>
>Do people still do this? I am looking at a plastic Fiji water bottle, which
>bears a label that reads, "ME 5 cent Dep. - CA Redemption Value" on the label.
>If I took this back to the 7-11, would they give me a nickel for it? I'm not
>broke, I swear, I'm just curious to know if people still return bottles for the
>deposit.
Only if you're in ME or CA. I used to collect bottles as a kid and
return them, in Florida.
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MeadowMan2
>I used to collect bottles as a kid and
>return them, in Florida.
In the early 60's deposit in Va was 2ข.
40 miles south in NC it was 5ข. People I knew thought the drive was worth it
but the trunk was full after all.
TR
Patrick M Geahan
> Do people still do this? I am looking at a plastic Fiji water bottle, which
> bears a label that reads, "ME 5 cent Dep. - CA Redemption Value" on the label.
Here in Michigan, we do. Get ten cents back for each bottle.
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Greg Goss
>I recall that when I was a kid living in Florida, our family would save empty
>glass soda bottles and return them to the local grocery store or mini-market to
>get the deposit.
>
>Do people still do this? I am looking at a plastic Fiji water bottle, which
>bears a label that reads, "ME 5 cent Dep. - CA Redemption Value" on the label.
>If I took this back to the 7-11, would they give me a nickel for it? I'm not
>broke, I swear, I'm just curious to know if people still return bottles for the
>deposit.
State by state, province by province.
Here, any drink container other than milk or fast food cups gets a
refund.
Plasticised cardboard, Tetra foiled cardboard, plastic or glass
bottles, cans.
Nickle up to a litre. I'm not sure if it is a dime or a quarter for
the larger ones.
Jonathan Miller
>Not that I'm doubting that a trash can has ever been tipped over, but
>I've lived in Massachusetts pre- and post-bottle bill, and I ain't
>seen it. I see lots fewer (lots fewer? that just doesn't sound
>right) bottles by the sides of the roads post-bottle bill than I
>remember seeing pre-bottle bill (and most of those are water-type
>products, which for some odd reason aren't covered by the bill), but I
>don't remember any tipped-over trash cans.
>
>Where in Massachusetts are you routinely seeing dumped-out trash cans?
>And which bums explained the strategy behind it, so you wouldn't
>attribute it to young hoodla?
>
I have no MA experience, but my MI experience is that even
upper-middle-class families separate their bottles for refund. (I would
guess that the servants of the upper-class families separate the bottles
for refund.) I guess the MA bums are too stupid to realize that there
are no bottles in the trash. Or else they don't consider the effort of
going over to a garbage can and dumping it to be a cost of getting
money. Wait -- that's the definition of a hoodlum.
Jon Miller
Jonathan Miller
Where have you been? Rickshas are motorized now. At least in Delhi,
but I have no reason to believe Delhi is unique. Well, in that respect.
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Brett Bayne
> asking, here -- he can't live in CA and not
> know how to recycle deposit bottles and cans,
>and, I would hope, he's not just pitching
> them out the car window.
Inasmuch as I totalled my Cadillac on La Cienega Blvd. three weeks ago, no, I'm
not pitching them out the car window. My question was, simply, are people still
returning bottles to their neighborhood grocery stores and 7-11s (the places
where they bought the sodas and bottled waters)?
Briar Rose
(attributions deleted)
>> Franlky, I'm not sure what, exactly BB's
>> asking, here -- he can't live in CA and not
>> know how to recycle deposit bottles and cans,
>> and, I would hope, he's not just pitching
>> them out the car window.
> Inasmuch as I totalled my Cadillac on La Cienega Blvd. three weeks
> ago, no, I'm not pitching them out the car window. My question was,
> simply, are people still returning bottles to their neighborhood
> grocery stores and 7-11s (the places where they bought the sodas and
> bottled waters)?
Well, if "the recycling center in the parking lot
of the grocery store" counts as a yes, then, yes.
What do you do with your bottles? Throw 'em out?
:) Connie-Lynne
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Dana:
>>>homeless and unemployed -- will collect them and turn
>>>them in for the money. A great way to keep our neighborhoods clean.
Bermuda:
>>If we could only get them to pull rickshaws.
JonM:
>Where have you been? Rickshas are motorized now.
Here's a brief commercial for the bicycle rickshaws one can hire to be driven
around Key West. If you are a person of any persuasion who likes good looking
man legs, this is a treat.
Good legs.
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> Well, but a nickle or a dime per bottle is enough that those who are
> short on cash -- homeless and unemployed -- will collect them and turn
> them in for the money. A great way to keep our neighborhoods clean.
You really want them sneaking around the hedges and back alleys of
your neighborhood, carrying big bags of stuff and making strange
noises?
Crashj 'thought not' Johnson
Bermuda999
>Bermuda999 wrote:
>
>>Dana Carpender dcar...@kivanospam.net
>>
>>>Well, but a nickle or a dime per bottle is enough that those who are
>>>short on cash -- homeless and unemployed -- will collect them and turn
>>>them in for the money. A great way to keep our neighborhoods clean.
>>>
>>
>>If we could only get them to pull rickshaws.
>>
>Where have you been? Rickshas are motorized now.
Please forward that information to Kramer and Newman.
Al Yellon
news:20030317001033...@mb-co.aol.com...
>
> Generally, only in those states listed on the bottle, where the deposit
return
> is supported by law. The groceries and the vendors don't give a damn
otherwise
> in the states where it used to be done... that is, they don't want the
emptys,
> and will not give you a nickel.
OK, so what if you have a bottle/can from a state which does NOT have such a
deposit law -- say, Illinois -- and you bring it to a state that *does* --
say, Michigan, if you are, for example, on a car trip from IL to MI.
Will the Michigan people pay you the deposit?
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Brett Bayne
> :) Connie-Lynne
I live in an apartment building that has special bins for recyclables. I put
'em in there.
StarChaser Tyger
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Mine would have been the mid to late 70's or so...Small bottles <I can't
remember whether they were 12 or 16 ounce> were a dime, quart bottles
<Much rarer> were 20 cents. With a few minutes looking, I could usually
find enough to get myself a soda and a bag of chips if I wanted.
Bermuda999
Not directly related to bottle deposits, but to homeless+recycling:
"Recycler Traded Cans for Booze?
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A Los Angeles recycler that catered to homeless
alcoholics by exchanging the bottles and cans they dug out of people's trash
for coupons for a nearby liquor store has been shut down as a nuisance, city
officials said on Friday.
Neighbors had complained since 1997 about the transients who loitered around
the recycling center, K&C Recycling, saying they were urinating in public,
digging through dumpsters and taking drugs, City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo
said.
"The story here sounds like fiction, but it is fact," Delgadillo said. "The
concept of protecting the environment became hideously distorted as transients
were given coupons for a liquor store instead of money for their cans and
bottles."
Authorities initially had some trouble shutting down the site because no Los
Angeles city ordinance prohibits exchanging recyclable items for coupons. "It's
okay to give out coupons but they were only for use at the liquor store," Eric
Moses, a spokesman for Delgadillo, said. "The allegation is that they weren't
buying Ho-Hos (packaged snacks), they were buying 40 ouncers."
The neighborhood prosecutor researched the city ordinance regulating recycling
centers and found that the center had not been issued a local permit,
Delgadillo said.
Residents testified at public hearings and signed declarations about the
activities that took place around the recycling center, and got the center's
license revoked. "
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20
030317/od_nm/odd_recycle_dc
or
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O153217D3
Blinky the Shark
> OK, so what if you have a bottle/can from a state which does NOT have
> such a deposit law -- say, Illinois -- and you bring it to a state
> that *does* -- say, Michigan, if you are, for example, on a car trip
> from IL to MI.
> Will the Michigan people pay you the deposit?
I've never seen the guy at the recycle center look at bottles/cans to
see if they have "CA" on them. You dump your stuff into his container,
he weighs it. The container weight is accounted for. He pays you.
Blinky the Shark
There are cities where this doesn't happen?
Gary S. Callison
> OK, so what if you have a bottle/can from a state which does NOT have
> such a deposit law -- say, Illinois -- and you bring it to a state that
> *does* -- say, Michigan, if you are, for example, on a car trip from IL
> to MI. Will the Michigan people pay you the deposit?
There was a Seinfeld episode about this. Newman takes a mail-truck full of
empty bottles to Detroit, and hilarity ensues.
Stores are only required to give you your dime back if the empty bottle
says that a deposit has already been paid on it. An empty Coke can from
Chicago is worth scrap aluminum in Detroit, unless you want to try and
scam the store for giving you a 10c deposit that you never actually paid.
Some stores check, some don't, and some have automated barcode-scanners
on the automated empty-taking contraption that will keep track of how
much you're owed.
Living in Chicago and going to Detroit often, it wasn't hard at all to
keep a separate trashcan for bottles that need to go to Detroit on the
next trip, but this was usually only smaller bottlers who couldn't be
troubled to print up separate labels for stuff for sale in Michigan and
stuff for sale elsewhere. Mostly tonic water, root beer, and Vernors, I
think. And I can't see this being anything like a profitable enterprise,
unless you're in the situation I was - driving to Detroit regularly
anyways.
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Bermuda999
>Al Yellon wrote:
>
>> OK, so what if you have a bottle/can from a state which does NOT have
>> such a deposit law -- say, Illinois -- and you bring it to a state
>> that *does* -- say, Michigan, if you are, for example, on a car trip
>> from IL to MI.
>
>> Will the Michigan people pay you the deposit?
>
>I've never seen the guy at the recycle center look at bottles/cans to
>see if they have "CA" on them. You dump your stuff into his container,
>he weighs it. The container weight is accounted for. He pays you.
But that's recycling.
Not returning for a deposit.
Blinky the Shark
> Al Yellon <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> OK, so what if you have a bottle/can from a state which does NOT have
>> such a deposit law -- say, Illinois -- and you bring it to a state
>> that *does* -- say, Michigan, if you are, for example, on a car trip
>> from IL to MI. Will the Michigan people pay you the deposit?
> There was a Seinfeld episode about this. Newman takes a mail-truck
> full of empty bottles to Detroit, and hilarity ensues.
> Stores are only required to give you your dime back if the empty
> bottle
Is "stores" being used generically, here (and others keep using it,
too), for "recycling points/centers/whatever"? I keep seeing it, and
wondering if *stores* still really take containers back in some places.
Mark Steese
der news:20030317113048...@mb-fh.aol.com schrieb:
>> Franlky, I'm not sure what, exactly BB's asking, here -- he can't live
>> in CA and not know how to recycle deposit bottles and cans, and, I
>> would hope, he's not just pitching them out the car window.
>
> Inasmuch as I totalled my Cadillac on La Cienega Blvd. three weeks ago,
> no, I'm not pitching them out the car window. My question was, simply,
> are people still returning bottles to their neighborhood grocery stores
> and 7-11s (the places where they bought the sodas and bottled waters)?
[de-lurking...]
Sorry to hear about your Cadillac!
Up here in Ashland, Oregon, all the big local supermarkets (Safeway,
Albertson's, Shop N Kart, Market of Choice) have machines that take
cans/plastic bottles/glass bottles, read the barcodes, and give you a
receipt you can redeem for cash at a register inside. The machines crush
the containers to prepare them for recycling. Many, many people come to
get their deposits refunded, as I can personally attest, having waited in
line at Shop N Kart on many occasions, watching one college student after
another redeem umpteen thousand beer bottles while I roasted in the sun
and warily eyed the yellowjackets.
True story: My wife took some cans back to Shop N Kart for the deposit
and the machine rejected them, even though she'd bought the soda at that
store. She took them inside and the cashier told her they didn't sell
that brand; when she insisted that they did, the cashier called a
manager, who also said they didn't sell it. My wife took him over to the
shelf where six-pack upon six-pack of the soda was available. After a
moment he said, "Oh, we used to sell that, then we stopped. I didn't
know we'd started selling that again, it must have just happened." We'd
been buying that particular brand at that particular store for upwards of
two years.
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Blinky the Shark
> Blinky the Shark no....@box.invalid
>>Al Yellon wrote:
Which is what I do because the stores send you there, instead of taking
bottles. At least around here. One used to have a couple of *machines*
in front, by the soda machines and carts, where you'd stick them in and
it would grind them up on the spot and kick out a voucher good at the
store. Else, it's always a recycling setup with dumpsters and a guy
with a scale. I've asked a couple times (not had time for answers, yet)
about actually handing the bottles to a store employee, any more,
because I haven't seen that in year. Again, maybe I'm not shopping
where anybody else is.
Bermuda999
>Bermuda999 wrote:
>
>> Blinky the Shark no....@box.invalid
>
>>>Al Yellon wrote:
>
>>>> OK, so what if you have a bottle/can from a state which does NOT have
>>>> such a deposit law -- say, Illinois -- and you bring it to a state
>>>> that *does* -- say, Michigan, if you are, for example, on a car trip
>>>> from IL to MI.
>
>>>> Will the Michigan people pay you the deposit?
>
>>>I've never seen the guy at the recycle center look at bottles/cans to
>>>see if they have "CA" on them. You dump your stuff into his container,
>>>he weighs it. The container weight is accounted for. He pays you.
>
>> But that's recycling.
>> Not returning for a deposit.
>
>Which is what I do because the stores send you there, instead of taking
>bottles. At least around here. One used to have a couple of *machines*
>in front, by the soda machines and carts, where you'd stick them in and
>it would grind them up on the spot and kick out a voucher good at the
>store. Else, it's always a recycling setup with dumpsters and a guy
>with a scale. I've asked a couple times (not had time for answers, yet)
>about actually handing the bottles to a store employee, any more,
>because I haven't seen that in year. Again, maybe I'm not shopping
>where anybody else is.
Some states offer real deposit money back per bottle. They also require stores
to provide the mechanism for deposit and return. This sometimes even includes
refillable bottles, like back in the day.
The Michigan deposit law:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q300528D3
or
http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:rFzlosLIiOgC:www.michigan.gov/documen
ts/CIS_LCC_bottbill_32030_7.pdf+soda+bottles+deposit+return+reused&hl=en&i
e=UTF-8
Carl Fink
Shark wrote:
> Is "stores" being used generically, here (and others keep using it,
> too), for "recycling points/centers/whatever"? I keep seeing it, and
> wondering if *stores* still really take containers back in some places.
I've never seen a recycling center in my life. I return bottles at
either Pathmark or King Kullen.
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Dana Carpender
Carl Fink wrote:
> In article <slrnb7chdt....@dora.blinkynet.net>, Blinky the
> Shark wrote:
>
>
>>Is "stores" being used generically, here (and others keep using it,
>>too), for "recycling points/centers/whatever"? I keep seeing it, and
>>wondering if *stores* still really take containers back in some places.
>
>
> I've never seen a recycling center in my life. I return bottles at
> either Pathmark or King Kullen.
Wow, and going to the recycling center is a minor Saturday thrill around
here. Along with the usual newspapers, magazines, bottles, and cans,
our recycling center has an area where folks can leave any item that is
still good, but that they no longer find useful. Always a fair number
of clothes -- I'm actually wearing a really nice vee-necked,
long-sleeved tee that I got for free at the recycling center as I write
this -- to furniture, toys, pots and pans, books, heck, I've even seen a
rowing machine. One of my favorite colognes I got for free at the
recycling center, too.
Another neat service -- you can take that last 1/3 can of paint to the
recycling center, and they'll give it to someone else who needs it.
Since you can mix any latex with any latex, and any alkyd with any
alkyd, it's pretty easy to come up with a full can of paint if you need
one, especially if you want something basic like off-white. Keeps a lot
of paint out of the water table.
Our recycling center is great. And appropriately enough, it's right
next to the Animal Shelter, where we recycle pets.
Dana (Got my dog at the recycling center, too.)
Blinky the Shark
> Some states offer real deposit money back per bottle. They also
> require stores to provide the mechanism for deposit and return. This
> sometimes even includes refillable bottles, like back in the day.
Yeah, we're one of them. CA was one of the states' values on the
container that started this thread. It just seems like the last time(s)
I tried to hand them to the store, they aimed me at the recycling joint.
Matt Ackeret
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Are you sure that iron didn't come out AFTER the iMac did? I sure think
it did.. (I'm not sure if that's the exact one, but I bought an iron like
that -- not sure it was the same brand -- as a wedding present [it was on the
web page, so I picked it].. and it was definitely after the iMac came out).
BTW, I would've sent this by email if you weren't an anonymous chicken.
Blinky the Shark
> Our recycling center is great. And appropriately enough, it's right
> next to the Animal Shelter, where we recycle pets.
My bike is made of parts from my last bike (which a friend wrecked) and
a used frame from my bike mechanic. That's *really* re-cycling.
Paul L. Madarasz
<jonathan...@comcast.net> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Where have you been? Rickshas are motorized now. At least in Delhi,
>but I have no reason to believe Delhi is unique. Well, in that respect.
>
>Jon Miller
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Blinky the Shark
> In article <slrnb7cqrn....@dora.blinkynet.net>, Blinky the
> Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>Real iMac Origin: http://web.newsguy.com/dogfish/images/imac.jpg
> Are you sure that iron didn't come out AFTER the iMac did? I sure
> think
I have no idea which came first. And the humorous gist of the graphic
is that it was a tie.
> it did.. (I'm not sure if that's the exact one, but I bought an iron
> like that -- not sure it was the same brand -- as a wedding present
> [it was on the web page, so I picked it].. and it was definitely after
> the iMac came out).
Which in now way says that it was *introduced* after the iMac, which
was what your question was about.
> BTW, I would've sent this by email if you weren't an anonymous
> chicken.
You just tend to your spam filtering, and I'll deal with my own mailbox.
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Jason Quick
> OK, so what if you have a bottle/can from a state which does NOT have such
a
> deposit law -- say, Illinois -- and you bring it to a state that *does* --
> say, Michigan, if you are, for example, on a car trip from IL to MI.
>
> Will the Michigan people pay you the deposit?
Can't speak for Michigan, but here in Omaha, lots of cans and bottles come
with refund imprints on them. So it's a relatively simple matter to run
them across the river to the stores in Council Bluffs and return them. They
won't take cans without the imprint, but they're basically required to take
the others. It's not like they know if a deposit was actually paid.
Jason
Briar Rose
>>see if they have "CA" on them. You dump your stuff into his container,
>>he weighs it. The container weight is accounted for. He pays you.
>But that's recycling.
>Not returning for a deposit.
That's also returning for a deposit, here in CA.
The way bottle deposits used to work:
1. Buy bottled stuff at store.
2. Store charges returnable bottle deposit.
3. Drink stuff.
4. Return empty bottles to store.
5. Store gives you money.
6. Store sends empty bottles to bottling company
for cleaning and re-use.
The way they now work:
1. Buy bottled stuff at store.
2. Store charges mandated recycling deposit.
3. Drink stuff.
4. Return empty bottles to store/recycling center.
5. Store/Recycler gives you money[A]
6. Store/recycler delivers bottles to large
scale recycling center, where bottles are
crushed and turned into new glass things[B].
:) Connie-Lynne
[A] Or scrip you can exchange for money in store.
[B] At least in theory.
Rick B.
news:b56dqi$cvh$1...@naig.caltech.edu:
That helps. So most/all beverage containers sold in CA carry a
deposit-like fee that is returned at the recycling center, right? In
other places you may find a place that will buy your aluminum cans,
but you'll just get the scrap value. My usage is low enough that they
just go in the biweekly bucket for pickup with the other recyclables.
Rick "that reminds me, they have to go out tonight" B.
Briar Rose
>That helps. So most/all beverage containers sold in CA carry a
>deposit-like fee that is returned at the recycling center, right?
Yes. I forgot to note, that, in order to save money,
many places use a formula something like "bottles weigh
about this much, your stuff weighs this much, so we guess
you have about this many bottles, here's your dough."
Ditto for cans.
So it's *just like* scrap recycling, except that you get
a little more than you would have gotten back in the day
for scrap, because of the mandated deposit amounts.
The mandated deposit is a lot less than the previous
returnable bottle amounts, BTW, but it works for a lot
more bottles than before.
Finally, there are still a few small specialty bottlers
that *will* do returnable bottles, but usually you have
to take the bottles back to the plant or distributor
yourself, rather than using the store as intermediary.
Actually, I think you have to buy the soda there, too,
'cause I don't think I've seen it sold in stores.
:) Connie-Lynne
Blinky the Shark
> That helps. So most/all beverage containers sold in CA carry a
> deposit-like fee that is returned at the recycling center, right? In
> other places you may find a place that will buy your aluminum cans,
> but you'll just get the scrap value. My usage is low enough that they
> just go in the biweekly bucket for pickup with the other recyclables.
The places I've used (except for the grinders where you feed in each
container individually, by hand) pay by weight. (CA)
Barbara
>>short on cash -- homeless and unemployed -- will collect them and turn
>>them in for the money. A great way to keep our neighborhoods clean.
Not when the homeless and unemployed are ransacking bagged trash set out for
pick-up, as they often are.
Barbara -
"I've got something inside me
Not what my life's about
Cause I've been letting my outside tide me
Over 'til my time runs out."
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Matt Ackeret
Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>Matt Ackeret wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnb7cqrn....@dora.blinkynet.net>, Blinky the
>> Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>>Real iMac Origin: http://web.newsguy.com/dogfish/images/imac.jpg
>
>> Are you sure that iron didn't come out AFTER the iMac did? I sure
>> think
>
>I have no idea which came first. And the humorous gist of the graphic
>is that it was a tie.
If the iron didn't come out first, there's no way it's the "Real iMac Origin".
Blinky the Shark
> In article <slrnb7d1hq....@dora.blinkynet.net>,
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>Matt Ackeret wrote:
>>> In article <slrnb7cqrn....@dora.blinkynet.net>, Blinky the
>>> Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>>>Real iMac Origin: http://web.newsguy.com/dogfish/images/imac.jpg
>>> Are you sure that iron didn't come out AFTER the iMac did? I sure
>>> think
>>I have no idea which came first. And the humorous gist of the graphic
>>is that it was a tie.
> If the iron didn't come out first, there's no way it's the "Real iMac Origin".
You seem to be confusing humor with a dissertation on design history.
You also seem unable to comprehend that the graphic is titled "Separated
At Birth", which implies that it was a tie.
HTH HAND
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Briar Rose
>Rick B. <deep...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>>That helps. So most/all beverage containers sold in CA carry a
>>deposit-like fee that is returned at the recycling center, right?
>
>Yes. I forgot to note, that, in order to save money,
Dammit! "...in order to save TIME," not "in order
to save money."
Briar Rose
>> That helps. So most/all beverage containers sold in CA carry a
>> deposit-like fee that is returned at the recycling center, right? In
>> other places you may find a place that will buy your aluminum cans,
>> but you'll just get the scrap value. My usage is low enough that they
>> just go in the biweekly bucket for pickup with the other recyclables.
>The places I've used (except for the grinders where you feed in each
>container individually, by hand) pay by weight. (CA)
That paying by weight is actually a convenience on
their part. I was doing the math once, in my head,
and it seemed to be coming up with me not getting the
full deposit back on the bottles.
So, I, um... I counted all my bottles before they
were weighed.
And then I complained to the guy that I was only getting
half what my expected return should be. And then Erich
picked up a bottle and showed me that the deposit was
half what I had thought it was.
I hate when that happens.
But anyway, the weight method is calibrated to reflect
the deposit amount. It's just faster to use scales when
it's 1 pm on Saturday and there's 10 people in line who
all want to trade in 500 bottles.
:) Connie-"Ask me about the Recycling Fairy"-Lynne
GrapeApe
>At Birth", which implies that it was a tie.
That year or two in industrial design was merely a coup for the producers of
transparent colored plastics more than anything. Somebody selling plastic got
a bonus that year.
Bill Kinkaid
wrote:
>>>Well, but a nickle or a dime per bottle is enough that those who are
>>>short on cash -- homeless and unemployed -- will collect them and turn
>>>them in for the money. A great way to keep our neighborhoods clean.
>
>Not when the homeless and unemployed are ransacking bagged trash set out for
>pick-up, as they often are.
>Barbara -
>
Maybe we have neater bums here, because they seem to leave garbage
bins and rcycling boxes in relatively good order. Scaring the
neighbourhood dogs at 2am and setting off the lights, OTOH...
Bill in Vancouver
Greg Goss
>Al Yellon wrote:
>
>> OK, so what if you have a bottle/can from a state which does NOT have
>> such a deposit law -- say, Illinois -- and you bring it to a state
>> that *does* -- say, Michigan, if you are, for example, on a car trip
>> from IL to MI.
>
>> Will the Michigan people pay you the deposit?
>
>I've never seen the guy at the recycle center look at bottles/cans to
>see if they have "CA" on them. You dump your stuff into his container,
>he weighs it. The container weight is accounted for. He pays you.
Most brands of Canadian soda don't have the "nutrition" label on 'em.
The guys at the recycle depot look for that.
Some cans have a narrower neck from the States.
Greg Goss
>Is "stores" being used generically, here (and others keep using it,
>too), for "recycling points/centers/whatever"? I keep seeing it, and
>wondering if *stores* still really take containers back in some places.
I think that stores are supposed to. But around here, most stores
honour that by prominently placing a poster advertising one of the
mass recycling places.
Gary S. Callison
I think in Michigan, anybody who sells something covered by the deposit
law has to accept the empties. I certainly can't recall ever seeing a
grocery store that wouldn't, although some of them made it more of a pain
in the ass than others.
A cursory google gives:
445.572 Sec. 2 (2)
A dealer who regularly sells beverages for consumption off the
dealer's premises shall provide on the premises, or within 100
yards of the premises on which the dealer sells or offers for sale a
beverage in a returnable container, a convenient means whereby the
containers of any kind, size, and brand sold or offered for sale by the
dealer may be returned by, and the deposit refunded in cash to, a
person whether or not the person is the original customer of that
dealer, and whether or not the container was sold by that dealer.
Full text of all sections available at
http://www.michiganlegislature.org/mileg.asp?page=getObject&objName=mcl-Initiated-Law-of-1976
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Blinky the Shark
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>>Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>>> Is "stores" being used generically, here (and others keep using it,
>>> too), for "recycling points/centers/whatever"? I keep seeing it,
>>> and wondering if *stores* still really take containers back in some
>>> places.
>> I think that stores are supposed to. But around here, most stores
>> honour that by prominently placing a poster advertising one of the
>> mass recycling places.
> I think in Michigan, anybody who sells something covered by the
> deposit law has to accept the empties. I certainly can't recall ever
> seeing a grocery store that wouldn't, although some of them made it
> more of a pain in the ass than others.
> A cursory google gives: 445.572 Sec. 2 (2) A dealer who regularly
> sells beverages for consumption off the dealer's premises shall
> provide on the premises, or within 100 yards of the premises on which
> the dealer sells or offers for sale a beverage in a returnable
> container, a convenient means whereby the containers of any kind,
> size, and brand sold or offered for sale by the dealer may be returned
> by, and the deposit refunded in cash to, a person whether or not the
> person is the original customer of that dealer, and whether or not the
> container was sold by that dealer.
Which would cover the parking-lot recycling centers we have out here.
No, no, I know Michigan law has nothing to do with California, so the
quick-to-pounce-instead-of-comprehending need not point this out. I'm
simply saying that what they do here would count, under that
description.
Blinky the Shark
> Some cans have a narrower neck from the States.
You callin' us pencil-necks?
StarChaser Tyger
'Year or two'? They're STILL selling crap like that...
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>'Year or two'? They're STILL selling crap like that...
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It sort of flooded onto the market all at once however, as if it had never
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Kajikit
prose in alt.fan.cecil-adams on Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:40:29 -0500
>Wow, and going to the recycling center is a minor Saturday thrill around
>here. Along with the usual newspapers, magazines, bottles, and cans,
>our recycling center has an area where folks can leave any item that is
>still good, but that they no longer find useful. Always a fair number
>of clothes -- I'm actually wearing a really nice vee-necked,
>long-sleeved tee that I got for free at the recycling center as I write
>this -- to furniture, toys, pots and pans, books, heck, I've even seen a
>rowing machine. One of my favorite colognes I got for free at the
>recycling center, too.
>
>Another neat service -- you can take that last 1/3 can of paint to the
>recycling center, and they'll give it to someone else who needs it.
>Since you can mix any latex with any latex, and any alkyd with any
>alkyd, it's pretty easy to come up with a full can of paint if you need
>one, especially if you want something basic like off-white. Keeps a lot
>of paint out of the water table.
What a good idea... now that's REALLY encouraging recycling :)
(in Melbourne, we put our recycling out with the trash in a special
bin, and the recycling truck comes along and picks it up once a
fortnight... and second-hand goods to to various charity op-shops
(opportunity shops)...
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>(in Melbourne, we put our recycling out with the trash in a special
>bin, and the recycling truck comes along and picks it up once a
>fortnight... and second-hand goods to to various charity op-shops
>(opportunity shops)
The word here is "thrift store". One interesting local variant on
thrift stores here is "Value Village". They divide a city into
sectors and assigns each sector to a charity. The charity cold-calls
everyone in its zone trying to scare up donations of old clothes or
other thrift store goods. They do the initial sorting and sell the
stuff to Value Village who retails it in huge stores.
I used to live in a "Canadian Diabetes Association" zone. I am now in
a "Canadian Associstion for Mental Health" zone.