LOGO CONTEST RESULTS
Mike
in...@lapa-nnj.com wrote:
For those of you that were interested in the results of theJust wondering...of the artists that submitted work and did not get paid or chosen... how do you feel? Was the effort worth while? Really, how do you feel now that your logo was not chosen and you were not paid for your work? Do you think you will join another contest, or do you think you will skip the next one?
LAPA-NNJ LOGO CONTEST, please feel free
to visit the logo page for results.
http://www.lapa-nnj.com/logocontest/logocontest.htm
Again Thank You to all that participated.
We truly appreciate all the time
and effort that was put into your wonderful work.
It is nice to know that so many people really wanted to help
a non-profit organization like ours.
THANK YOU!
--
JustaPawn
Judging from the results, I think they got what they paid for. Ted
Willo48056
Good Grief People - ITS OVER! Let it go and leave the people alone. It sounds
like nothing but a bunch of sore losers around here. Please maintain some
dignity and maturity!
Willow
Mike
You seem to have a real need to tell other people what to do and how to react.
Why is that?
:) ®
Willo48056
Mike - you seem to have a real problem being
a mindless idiot - why is that?
Last time I kept my message to you private so not to shame you in front of
others. You're stupidity offends me - let's leave it at that!
Willow
Mike
How offended you are is not my problem. You seem to think that everyone needs to worry about what YOU think...
Willo48056
Why is that?? Poor Mike is so confused!! Because I have seen you offend &
literally bash every poor kid & old lady that posts a plea on this site to give
them advice. I thought I explained that to you in my private messgage and I
know you did GET some of the points I made, becasue you have stopped your
bashing attempts and tried to be nice to others since then. But I guess you
are still somewhat confused. Oh, poor little pitiful you.
Mike
Willo48056 wrote:
Why is that?? Poor Mike is so confused!! Because I have seen you offend &
literally bash every poor kid & old lady that posts a plea on this site to give
them advice.
Interesting that I am the one that is supposed to be confused and it is you that thinks a newsgroup is a "site".
:) ®
Why do you think a newsgroup is a site?
Ondler
I think these two are in love!!!
Willo48056
Bite me!
Willow
Natalie
Natalie
http://home.earthlink.net/~go_kat/
Mike wrote:
in...@lapa-nnj.com wrote:
For those of you that were interested in the results of theJust wondering...of the artists that submitted work and did not get paid or chosen... how do you feel? Was the effort worth while? Really, how do you feel now that your logo was not chosen and you were not paid for your work? Do you think you will join another contest, or do you think you will skip the next one?
LAPA-NNJ LOGO CONTEST, please feel free
to visit the logo page for results.
http://www.lapa-nnj.com/logocontest/logocontest.htm
Again Thank You to all that participated.
We truly appreciate all the time
and effort that was put into your wonderful work.
It is nice to know that so many people really wanted to help
a non-profit organization like ours.
THANK YOU!
--
WD ElfBox
<<Bite me!>>
Oooo~ Angry love
Mike
Natalie wrote:
I'm sorry Mike, but sometimes the satisfaction of helping a good cause is more precious that any amount of money you can make doing design work.
That's fine that you feel that way. I just don't feel that way.
What I do find interesting is that because I don't wish to give my work away -- I am seen as a person that some feel the need to degrade and ridicule.
It is an interesting reaction to my choice.
:) ®
Natalie
I'm sorry...I didn't intend to sound like I was ridiculing or degrading you, and I apologize for coming across that way. Your post just seemed a bit sarcastic, like you were ridiculing those willing to help a cause. I am all for getting paid for the work I do....and what ticks me off is reading posts of those who want something for nothing and act like they are entitled for it.....or when they do offer some sort of monetary return..its for a ridiculous, insulting amount...like the guy who wants a great web designer to do 5 pages for $75.
Mike
Natalie wrote:
Mike:
I'm sorry...I didn't intend to sound like I was ridiculing or degrading you, and I apologize for coming across that way. Your post just seemed a bit sarcastic, like you were ridiculing those willing to help a cause.
Helping a cause is one thing. I just wonder about the value in helping
some company design a logo and doing it for free or in the hope of getting
more work. I have never gotten more paid work by doing a free job
to start off with. In fact I have done samples with the understanding
that I would be paid for them and been ripped off for that time and effort.
I am all for getting paid for the work I do....and what ticks me off is reading posts of those who want something for nothing and act like they are entitled for it.....or when they do offer some sort of monetary return..its for a ridiculous, insulting amount...like the guy who wants a great web designer to do 5 pages for $75.
Well there are people out there that will do 5 pages for $75 bucks. I am not one of them, and you are not one of them, but there are people that will do that amount of work for that amount of money. It is like hiring a handyman in contrast to hiring a licensed plumber to do a plumbing job.
June Curtice
Mike wrote:
>
>
> Helping a cause is one thing. I just wonder about the value in
> helping some company design a logo and doing it for free or in the
> hope of getting more work. I have never gotten more paid work by
> doing a free job to start off with. In fact I have done samples with
> the understanding that I would be paid for them and been ripped off
> for that time and effort.
>
with Mike's comments and Natalie's last response. Donating work to help
a worthy cause is good karma, and a fine way for people just starting
out to build a portfolio, sharpen their skills, or just do a good deed.
It benefits both parties. In our startup years we did numerous pro bono
projects for nonprofit organizations for all those reasons. After nine
good years in business, we continue to donate services to nonprofits in
our community.
However, doing free work in hope of getting more business from a company
or individual is usually pie in the sky and a disappointing waste of
time. Once you set a precedent for free or cheap work, it is hard to
break it. Two rules that stand us in good stead are (1) never start a
project without a clear contract and a deposit, (2) never start a
project without a clear contract and a deposit. Promote your business,
show your portfolio, give good presentations and provide references to
bring in new work. Giving free work begets more free work.
>
My two cents worth. Apologies if I have strayed from the thread.
June Curtice
____________________________
Curtice Advertising & Design
http://www.curtice.com
Willo48056
You should go back and read the previous posts and see who is the biggest
basher of "willing ot help others" really is. Some people tend to contradict
themselves just to make them look better.
I think all graphic artists have done comp work at some point - otherwise how
would we ever begin to have a portfolio to show potential clients.
Willow
Mike
Would you care to name names? Or do you wish to continue to throw vague innuendoes around?
Willo48056
No, I dont feel the need to be that rude!
Besides, you know who you are.
Willow
Mike
Chuckle.
Steven M. Scotten
> I think all graphic artists have done comp work at some point - otherwise how
> would we ever begin to have a portfolio to show potential clients.
Many of us had projects from school or from entrepreneurial endeavors of our own.
Most of us started out charging considerably less for our work than we later
ended up charging, but that is no different than any other profession: "salary
commensurate with experience."
Most people that just buy a Macintosh and think that that gives them an "in" to
the "lucrative field of graphic design" are in for a surprise. Some people with
natural talent may in fact thrive, but most people have to put in a substantial
amount of time in school and working on staff at an agency or two before jumping
in to the realm of freelance/contract work. If they are going to do well, that
is.
Working for free *is* sometimes a good way to get the right kind of exposure and
get your work noticed. But 99.99% of all work "for exposure" provides nothing at
all for the designer and is simply an attempt to abuse a gullible young artist.
If Rolling Stone called me up tomorrow and told me that I had an opportunity to
make an illustration for their cover but that it would have to be for free, I'd
drop everything to do it, because the wide exposure of my work would get me a lot
more jobs with big price tags. OTOH, making a logo for a company that may never
get the money together to print it on letterhead? Well lets just say that people
die of "exposure" every year.
Steve
Gary "Zack" Smith
This should be the graphic artists motto! Amen!
Willo48056
your portfolio, then set your rates and offer no more free services. Whats
really annoying to be are the "graphic Designers" posting their constant
messages about their free services and everything they do is free! I can't
figure that one out at all.
Willow
Craig Schultz
together and he sent me Microsoft Flight Simulator for free...
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Gary "Zack" Smith
> together and he sent me Microsoft Flight Simulator for free...
Was it an original program in the box with a manual? Or a set of
duplicate disks? If the latter, it wasn't free, it was pirated!
brat
free.
Tether
http://www.worthlink.net/~brat
Craig Schultz
manual and all! Any questions?
Craig
--
Craig Schultz
banners for sites.
> brat wrote:
> >
> > Not only that, trading work - whether intended or not still makes it not
> > free.
> > Tether
> > http://www.worthlink.net/~brat
> >
> > Gary "Zack" Smith wrote:
> >
> > > > What's wrong with FREE! I made a doctor a logo for a program he put
> > > > together and he sent me Microsoft Flight Simulator for free...
> > >
> > > Was it an original program in the box with a manual? Or a set of
> > > duplicate disks? If the latter, it wasn't free, it was pirated!
>
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> "Corruption is acceptable in politics, but never inside your computer!"
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