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Jonah Klimack -- THIS WAS YOUR LIFE! (A MMF Takedown)

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Lysander Spooner

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Yes folks, it's time for another MMF TAKEDOWN (also known as Make
Mortal Enemies Fast.) I do these occasionally in the hope that by
picking an occasional spambag-fraud-MMFer, working him over, and
making him regret the day he ever HEARD of the Internet, I might
discourage others from similar antisocial conduct.

Also, I enjoy the shit out of it.


Today's target came to my attention by a strange coincidence. I was
doing some routine checking for new spammers (in order to tweak my
cancelbot), when I came across some suspiciously high traffic levels
from one particular source. A quick look revealed that it was yet
another MMF asshole polluting the newsgroups, but that it was already
being canceled quite efficiently by The Unknown News Admin (the King
of MMF Cancellers, and bane of chain-letter assholes everywhere.)

Normally that would have been the end of it (for me, anyway.) I
specialize in porn-spam, not MMF. But as synchronicity would have it,
I then read the following article in alt.kill.spammers:

>From: Joel Hopper <hop...@nospam.sfer.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.kill.spammers
>Subject: anybody ever find out who this guy is?
>
>I've seen other post for this one, and I just got 2 this weekend. I
>already sent the kill messages, but I was trying to find out who the guys
>was. I can't seem to find him. I get close, but the P.O. Box in Timmins
>is the kicker. I can not find anywhere on the net that allows me to
>search for that.
>
>Here's the headers and the guys address information from the body.
>
>---------------
>Received: from Carleton.engineering.id890934-33.edu (Timmins2-13.nt.NET
>[209.226.55.13]) by houdata3.sfer.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange
>Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0)
> id GLRT859B; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:39:57 -0600
>From: JK <Ma...@Freenet.Carleton.ca>
>To: <hop...@sfer.com>
>Message-Id: <419.436227....@Freenet.Carleton.ca>
>Subject: Tired of Junk Mail?
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>---------------
> JKHP
> P.O. Box 746
> Timmins ON
> P4N 7G2
>
>Joel Hopper, Senior Analyst
>Santa Fe Snyder Corp.

Looking back at the address in the current flood of Usenet spam
confirmed that it was indeed the same "JKHP" cretin.

Considerations:

1 -- I love a challenge
2 -- I hate letting a spammer get away with thinking he's anonymous
3 -- An email AND Usenet MMFer? This is too good to pass up!


So let's see what we're up against. As has been pointed out, the
perp is using a P.O. Box, which makes things more difficult. And a
P.O. Box in a remote part of Canada to boot! Grumble.

That's okay. There are always good clues in the article header.
Here's a sample:

>Path: newstank.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail
>From: wdz...@fakeaddressforyourlist.com
>Newsgroups: bln.test,pdaxs.jobs.retail,comp.soft-sys.powerbuilder,alabama.birmingham.general
>Subject: DONT BE STUPID, $6 INTO THOUSANDS! 209 [6/2]
>Lines: 194
>Message-ID: <d9IG2.5129$E65...@198.235.216.4>
>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:53:13 GMT
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.55.170
>X-Trace: 198.235.216.4 921390793 209.226.55.170 (Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:53:13 EDT)
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:53:13 EDT
>Organization: Bell Solutions

Ewww. This shows all the telltales of PostAgent -- a particularly
nasty Spamware autoposter. Not good. Not good at all.

'From'? Automunged and useless.
'Org'? Server supplied.
'Path'? It came from Bellglobal's server. Which narrows it down to
about half of North America.

That leaves the NNTP-Posting-Host. Is it really possible to get a
positive ID on this guy starting with that one datum?

Yup.

>Translated Name: Timmins2-170.nt.net
>IP Address: 209.226.55.170

It's a dial-up port for nt.net, an Ontario-based ISP. This POP is
presumably located in Timmins, based on the name. Remember where the
PO box was located? So far so good.

I did a search for all Usenet posts which came from NNTP-Posting-Host
addresses in the 209.226.55.* block recently. After wading through
six or seven thousand of those MMF turds, I found this fascinating
little gem from early yesterday:

>Path: newstank.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail
>From: "NeedACrack" <anothe...@address.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.binaries.cracks
>Subject: need a crack for post agent
>Lines: 6
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
>Message-ID: <RolG2.297$Xj4...@198.235.216.4>
>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:59:45 GMT
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.55.23
>X-Trace: 198.235.216.4 921297585 209.226.55.23 (Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:59:45 EDT)
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:59:45 EDT
>Organization: Bell Solutions
>
>contact me sub...@ntl.sympatico.ca
>
>thanks, I respect anyone who can crack stuff,

Gee, the day before somebody starts spamming with PostAgent from
Timmins Ontario, somebody in Timmins posts a request for a pirated
access code to unlock PostAgent. In other words, this guy wants to
STEAL the software he's going to steal with!

And he gets his wish...

>Path: newstank.sol.net!137.192.241.248.MISMATCH!newshub.nntp.mr.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!24.129.0.46!newsfeed.se.mediaone.net!news2.jacksonville.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
>From: "]-[ømeßase" <homebas...@mediaone.net>
>Newsgroups: alt.binaries.cracks
>References: <RolG2.297$Xj4...@198.235.216.4>
>Subject: Re: need a crack for post agent
>Lines: 21
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0
>Message-ID: <a4qG2.3810$5n6.20...@news2.jacksonville.net>
>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:19:02 GMT
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.48.244
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:19:02 EDT
>
>PostAgent 3.65
>
>S/N: 102-938-475
>
>--
>]-[ømeßase

About fourteen hours after this crack was posted, the MMF deluge
started -- from Timmins Ontario.

So is sub...@ntl.sympatico.ca our turkey? Possible, but before we
start digging into that, let's keep going backward in time with those
NNTP-PH lookups.

Guess what was posted from the Timmmins nt.net POP on the day _before_
the crack request? More MMF! (No points for guessing. That was way
too easy.)

Sample:
>Path: newstank.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail
>From: "IT WORKS!" <HEYSP...@SORRYDUDEBUTYOUWONTGETTHISONE.COM>
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.books.marketplace
>Subject: YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS, I CANT , BUT ITS HAPPENING!
>Lines: 206
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
>Message-ID: <%w0G2.688$pB3....@198.235.216.4>
>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:14:51 GMT
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.55.27
>X-Trace: 198.235.216.4 921212091 209.226.55.27 (Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:14:51 EDT)
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:14:51 EDT
>Organization: Bell Solutions

(I'm tempted to mail him his courtesy copy of this takedown from the
address "HEYSP...@SORRYDUDEBUTYESIDID.COM")

Compare the version numbers of OE from the newsreader X-headers.
Yup, the same. And the mail-drop address in the key spot of _this_
one?

>#6)JKHP
>P.O. Box 746
>Timmins Ontario
>P4N 7G2

The evidence mounts. But just to be thorough, let's check Thursday.

Believe it or not, I found this:

>Path: newstank.sol.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail
>From: "Not Illegal" <fa...@fake.com>
>Newsgroups: us.sc.rockhill.business
>Subject: Not a Chain, Not a ponzi Scam, Best on the web, Guaranteed.
>Lines: 12
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
>Message-ID: <mGGF2.252$pB3...@198.235.216.4>
>Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:22:58 GMT
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.55.97
>X-Trace: 198.235.216.4 921122578 209.226.55.97 (Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:22:58 EDT)
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:22:58 EDT
>Organization: Bell Solutions
>
>Tired of Illegal Chain letters and Pyramid Schemes? Weary of Fancy
>Multi-Level Marketing campaigns? Get the simplest program out there.
>I have searched for months, nothing even comes close. In fact I count myself
>extremely lucky to have found it. Don't pass this up!
>
>Contact sub...@ntl.sympatico.ca for more information

Same headers, same email address. Looks pretty conclusive to me.

And reading the body of _that_ spam, I knew I was going to -enjoy-
this!


So who is sub...@ntl.sympatico.ca?

It turns out that sympatico has a very helpful mailserver. I
telnetted to port 25 of ntl.sympatico.ca and got this:

>220 ns1.nt.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.1b+Sun/8.8.6; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:00:56 -0500 (EST)
>
>expn sublime
>250 Klimack Phil <sub...@ns1.nt.net>

So ntl is really ns1.nt.net... nt.net...

I love it when a work-up comes together.

A quick stop at Infospacecanada.com gives us Phil's address and home
phone number:

>Phil Klimack
>1155 Greeningdon Dr
>Timmins, ON P4R 1G3 Phone: 705-267-6608


Are we done? Nahhhhh!

Hell, I havn't even -touched- Deja News or AltaVista yet. Who knows
what else might turn up. Besides, something about those 'jkhp'
initials bothered me. Is Phil -really- our man?

An AltaVista search for "JKHP" turned up:

>4. Best MLM you will ever see. Only a $20 investment and easy to do.
>Use the power of Multi-Level Marketing. A small investment ($20) potential for huge return. make money , legal, I Challenge you to find a better Multi
>URL: jkhp80.hypermart.net/
>Last modified 6-Mar-99 - page size 21K - in English [ Translate ]

Intriguing, but alas a dead link.

And then there is this, the proverbial Smoking Gun:

>6. Best kept money-making secret. An honest and legal way to make extra income.
>JKHP Presents.... Amazingly simple and honest way to make some extra money in your spare time. Dear Reader. My name is Jonah Klimack (weird name, I know)..
>URL: www.freeyellow.com/members6/jkhp80/
>Last modified 6-Mar-99 - page size 21K - in English [ Translate ]

The first line reads

>My name is Jonah Klimack (weird name, I know)
>and I live in Timmins Ontario Canada."

*THWACK*

_JONAH Klimack_! JKhp. Now it felt right.

So who is Jonah? Working hypothesis is that he's Phil's misbegotten
offspring.

A little poking around in DejaNews turned up this:

>From: Jonah Klimack <Kli...@nt.net>
>Subject: build..........not as easy as warcraft 2 editor
>Date: 06 Jan 1997 00:00:00 GMT
>Message-ID: <32D130...@nt.net>
>reply-to: Kli...@nt.net
>newsgroups: alt.games.duke3d
>
>Okay i'm not sure what this newsgroup thing is all about so if I just
>did something wrong....sorry.
>
>Is there any comprehensive guide to the build editor that i can
>download from the net??????????
>
>where do i go to get the reply does it come in through normal e-mail or
>do i have to do something different than normal mail procedures...
>
>if anyone gets this and has an answer send to kli...@nt.net

The 'klimack' account at nt.net is defunct. Wonder why...

How sad that in over two years he STILL hasn't learned "what this
newsgroup thing is all about".

And then there was this:

>From: "Jonah" <kri...@vianet.on.ca>

(According to vianet's mailserver:

|220 ESMTP Ready.
|
|expn kriptor
|250 Jonah Klimack <kri...@vianet.on.ca>

Yeah, it's him, and the account is still active.)

>Newsgroups: alt.games.programming
>Subject: aspiring game programmer (as if im the first one)
>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:05:19 -0500
>Message-ID: <72dq8s$91j$1...@east42.supernews.com>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.187.88.119
>
> To all you Professional game developers out there.
>
>I know you've probably seen a similar msg posted over and over and over by
>wishful thinkers and dreamers alike......well here's another one.

A "similar msg posted over and over and over.." Wow. Talk about a
portent of things to come!

>I am trying to carve a path to game programming for myself and I just want
>to know if im heading in the right direction.

No Jonah, you're headed in the direction of a Federal _prison_! (Or
is this a Provincial matter? I can never keep track with Canada.)

> I am halfway through Ivor
>Hortons Beginners guide to VC5++ (which teaches C++ from the ground up and
>then MFC). From there, with the knowledge of using one API, I hope that I
>can then understand the use of another API, the DirectX SDK. Will it be a
>hard transition for me?

No harder than the transition to an 8X10 cell with a stainless steel
toilet and a roomie named "Spike".

>Should I maybe consider some other paths before
>taking the big step to WIN32/DirectX programming? Or am I right in assuming
>that once I learn how the Windows/MFC API works I can easily learn how to
>use the DirectX API. I ask because I only have about 9 months before im off
>to university

That would put Jonah in his senior year of HS. Hypothesis confirmed.

Make that "reform school" instead of "prison".

>and I want to have the experience of making at least one
>crappy game before I become burdened with the busy Post-Secondary student
>life.

Do Canadian reformatories have computers?

>Any reply will be received with much gratitude! (I know most veterans ignore
>such ignorant newbie requests)

Ignorant newbies aren't a problem. Megaspammers flooding the
newsgroups and invading people's emailboxes, now THAT is a problem.

>ps Look for me when I'm Head Programmer of the company that tops your best
>games = )

His resume is off to a pretty lousy start, since this little expose'
of mine will be archived all over the place and easily found by anyone
doing a search for "Jonah Klimack". Do companies like hiring
ex-juvenile-delinquents as Head Programmers?

You see, what Jonah didn't realize (or disregarded), and what he lied
about in the body of his spam, is that this is A CRIME!

For an excellent overview of pertinent Canadian Law see:

http://heads-up.oanet.com/special.htm

The good part is when they talk about "5 years, 25,000 dollars or
both". Read it, Jonah. Read it twice.


Just in case there are any hard-core skeptics (or people who aren't
sure OJ did it) who think my evidence is circumstantial, I called
Phil's phone number and asked for Jonah. His mother handed him the
phone and I asked him to stop spamming. He said "okay".

Game, set, match.


In my past MMF Takedowns, I have always dissected the actual text of
the scam, since it gives so many great opportunities for ridicule and
derision. But this missive has gotten too long already, and the MMFs
havn't actually changed much, so if you like, you can read a couple of
my old ones at http://www.iswest.net/~howardk/lysander.html and just
assume I'm saying similar stuff to Jonah.

Now to whom do I send copies of this? Decisions, decisions.

Well, I think I'll start with all the ISPs involved in the Usenet AND
Email distribution of this crap, as well as Supernews and the Carleton
Freenet. Then I'll send it to the Canadian Postal Inspector
(remember that PO Box?) and the RCMP. Of course Jonah's dad
will be getting his copy before nt.net get's theirs, so he knows that
his rotten kid is responsible for him losing his Internet account.

And then I'm going to tell HipCrime that this little shit pirated his
software.

That leaves only two loose ends.

First, can somebody tell me the Canadian equivalent of the Internal
Revenue Service? I want to make sure Jonah _reports_ all that income
he says he's getting in the mail!

And finally, in order to assist the Mounties in getting to their
"interview" with Jonah, a map of the Timmins area can be found at:

http://www.mapblast.com/mapblast/blast.hm?CMD=LFILL&CT=48.469999:-81.327326:300000&GAD2=greeningdon+dr&GAD3=Timmins%2c+ON&IC=48.47:-81.33:8:&w=1&W=600&H=400

Oh, _one_ more thing...

Jonah?

"Buh-BYE!"


-- Rick
-----------
** With a nod to SPUTUM. They invented this art-form.
** I am but a humble apprentice. Praise BOB. Hail Eris.

Reboot

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Our somewhat equivalent agency is "Revenue Canada". Although I often think
they're more-or-less a proving grounds for would-be accountants that
couldn't add 2+2 if their life depended upon it!

You can *try* 1-800-959-8281 (dunno if it works outside of Canada - I have
no way of finding out!) and strike up a dialogue. Or you can visit their
website at http://www.rc.gc.ca/ to poke around. As is typical with most
Government of Canada websites, there's more PR crap than useful stuff up
there... but I'm sure you'll stumble across *something* useful.

Lysander Spooner wrote in message <36f86152....@209.242.64.104>...

<snip well written information!>

Dennis J. Descoteau

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Reboot wrote:

> Our somewhat equivalent agency is "Revenue Canada". Although I often think
> they're more-or-less a proving grounds for would-be accountants that
> couldn't add 2+2 if their life depended upon it!
>
> You can *try* 1-800-959-8281 (dunno if it works outside of Canada - I have
> no way of finding out!) and strike up a dialogue. Or you can visit their
> website at http://www.rc.gc.ca/ to poke around. As is typical with most
> Government of Canada websites, there's more PR crap than useful stuff up
> there... but I'm sure you'll stumble across *something* useful.
>
> Lysander Spooner wrote in message <36f86152....@209.242.64.104>...
>
> <snip well written information!>
>

> >First, can somebody tell me the Canadian equivalent of the Internal
> >Revenue Service? I want to make sure Jonah _reports_ all that income
> >he says he's getting in the mail!

Excellent work! I wish I had the time and talent to do this detective work.
Keep up the good work. Dennis

Ken Willson

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Huge Kudos for taking down another blood-sucking spammer! Keep up the
good work!

~Ken

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res...@hotmail.com

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Ya know, everyone here is probably wondering why there's some guy in
Components Engineering standing up and applauding at his computer :) I'm not
going to try explaining it to any of them, but thanks Rick. If you could come
up with something like that on a weekly basis I might actually look forward
to Mondays! Better than coffee.

Mark Roberts

P.S. Your post mentioned some software called "Post Agent", is this related to
the Hip Twit's "News Agent"?

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Ronald D. Edge

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In article <36f86152....@209.242.64.104>, buch...@cybernex.net says...

>
>Oh, _one_ more thing...
>
>Jonah?
>
>"Buh-BYE!"
>
>
>-- Rick

Incredible research and analysis. We are not worthy.

By the way, you DID explain this to his mamma, I hope???

Ron.


Corey Snow

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On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:27:06 GMT, buch...@cybernex.net (Lysander
Spooner) stood in uffish thought and burbled in
news.admin.net-abuse.email:

>Yes folks, it's time for another MMF TAKEDOWN (also known as Make
>Mortal Enemies Fast.) I do these occasionally in the hope that by
>picking an occasional spambag-fraud-MMFer, working him over, and
>making him regret the day he ever HEARD of the Internet, I might
>discourage others from similar antisocial conduct.
>
>Also, I enjoy the shit out of it.
>

<snicker-snack!>

*blink*

Wow.

Wow again.

I doff my hat to you, sir. Remind me never to piss you off, or if I
do, let me know so that I can jump in front of a bus or something.

Regards,

*Corey Snow
*http://www.snowpoint.com
*co...@snowpoint.com
*ObQuote: "I find your lack of faith disturbing."
* -Darth Vader


Art

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Can you repost your report? I missed it and it sounds great.

Art

----------------------------------
If it's spam it's a scam! I automatically report ALL
Spam received from these scum sucking bottom dwellers!
It is fun, easy to do and when you cause an account to
be closed (pisses the spammer off) it is rewarding! Join
me in the fight against spam!
Report spam to SpamCop at http://spamcop.net/


me

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>Jonah?
>
>"Buh-BYE!"
>
>
>-- Rick

Rick -

That was a truly wonderful tale.
We called a work stoppage for 10 minutes while it was read aloud to the
entire office. Then another five minutes while we wiped away the tears and
got everyone breathing normally again.

me

PS - If you've ever been to Timmins, you'd understand why it has the
potential to become Canadian MMF Central. You can either watch the tobacco
grow, or if you tire of that, you can watch the potatoes grow.

William

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I just joined the group and am a little confused. Technically speaking, by
putting your url at the bottom of the address, aren't you in a way spamming?
I mean, you are without our consent giving us a url to a page where you then
ask for money. Not meaning any offense, but what is the difference between
your post and a *spammer*'s post?

In article <36ed4e11...@news.bright.net>,

**The world is as large or small as our minds**

Rene Laederach

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Hello Lysander!

Lysander Spooner typed this on Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:27:06 GMT about 'Jonah
Klimack -- THIS WAS YOUR LIFE! (A MMF Takedown)':


LS> Yes folks, it's time for another MMF TAKEDOWN (also known as Make
LS> Mortal Enemies Fast.) I do these occasionally in the hope that by

Tres cool.

"I love the scent of smoldering spammers in the morning. It's the scent of
victory."

At any rate, you would do great as private investigator. Ever tried to get
one of the abuse desk posts at erols? :)

--
FIDO: 2:301/133 & 135 | Member We're returning!
Internet mu...@snoop.alphanet.ch | Team AMIGA - the true avantgarde

Art

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>
> That was a truly wonderful tale.

Ok, I evidently missed the story and would really like to see it if
its a 10 minute read about and 5 minute tear jerker! Will someone
send me a copy?

thanks

Art

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On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:23:34 GMT, William
<willi...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

>I just joined the group and am a little confused. Technically speaking, by
>putting your url at the bottom of the address, aren't you in a way spamming?

No, I dont think so. (To even think of me as a spammer is a total
insult.... but, being new to the group, I take it that you just dont
understand what a real spammer is).

Spammers lie and cheat.... I dont lie and cheat.

Spammers steal money.... I dont take a dime.

Spammers attempt to sell something.... I am not selling anything.

Spammers hide their addresses... I don't hide mine, on the contrary, I
put it out their in the hopes of being spammed so I can report the
bastards to the proper authorities EVERY TIME I GET SPAMMED!

The url posted is not my url. I have no relationship with Spam Cop
whatsoever.... it is simply a site I found that is great for locating
spammers and I urge everyone to use. It is free, easy to use and,
when you catch one of the bastards, a great deal of fun!

And, if I am technically spamming, my .... oh god, this is really
hard.... I dont think I am spamming.... I would rather have my arm cut
off then to be lumped in with a group of scum sucking bottom
dwellers.... you can call me anything dude but when you call me a
spammer that hurts!

So, to the users fo the group, am I technically spamming? If I am I
really didnt realize what I was doing and am very very sorry.

So, here's the url again!

Clifton T. Sharp Jr.

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William wrote:
> I just joined the group and am a little confused. Technically speaking, by
> putting your url at the bottom of the address, aren't you in a way spamming?
> I mean, you are without our consent giving us a url to a page where you then
> ask for money. Not meaning any offense, but what is the difference between
> your post and a *spammer*'s post?

Usenet tradition allows tasteful mention of your commercial enterprises
to be included in a tasteful 4-line (or fewer) .signature.

--
| Cliff Sharp | All relevant people are pertinent. |
| WA9PDM | All rude people are impertinent. |
| | Therefore, no rude people are relevant. |
| | --Solomon W. Golomb |

Christy

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Mar 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/15/99
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Well done, that guy was hitting me regularly at one time, keep it up,
I wish I had your skills instead of a simple killfile..

--
Chris


Lysander Spooner wrote in message
<36f86152....@209.242.64.104>...

>Yes folks, it's time for another MMF TAKEDOWN <snip a story that
made my day>

Lysander Spooner

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Mar 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/16/99
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On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:22:58 -0600, "Clifton T. Sharp Jr."
<cli...@megsinet.net> wrote:

>William wrote:
>> I just joined the group and am a little confused. Technically speaking, by
>> putting your url at the bottom of the address, aren't you in a way spamming?
>> I mean, you are without our consent giving us a url to a page where you then
>> ask for money. Not meaning any offense, but what is the difference between
>> your post and a *spammer*'s post?

In Usenet terminology, spam is "the same thing lots of times." It
has _nothing_ to do with content. If I were to post one clear-cut
blatant commercial advertisement in some newsgroup, I'd be off-topic,
I'd be rude, and possibly I'd be in violation of my ISP's TOS, but it
would _not_ make me a spammer

So no, he was not spamming. Not even close.

>Usenet tradition allows tasteful mention of your commercial enterprises
>to be included in a tasteful 4-line (or fewer) .signature.

I've heard about the 4-line part, but when has taste _ever_ been a
part of Usenet tradition?

-- Rick

Art

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Mar 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/16/99
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Thanks, I didnt now that... guess my "tag line" is a little long but,
when blasting off at spammers, it's pretty easy to get carried away!

Again, i dont have any relationship with Spam Cop whatsoever and,
if anyone were to have a better suggestion on a tag line, I would
appreciate it if you would let me know.

How is this then?


----------------------------------
If it's spam it's scam! Spammers are scum sucking bottom
dwellers! Reporting Spam is fun, easy to do might cause a
Spammers spammers account to be closed! Join the fun and
report spam to SpamCop at http://spamcop.net/


David W. Mc Gaffney

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Mar 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/16/99
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No that was not SPAM... We subscribe to these groups and like a newspaper you
don't just get only the "sections" you want.. BUT...... SPAM comes into your
e-mail box with out you clicking on a newsgroup as you did here....
If you have any kind of understanding of what's behind the name of these
groups they are all about HOW TO MAKE LIFE BAD FOR SPAMMERS... We need this kind
of "input" .... Read the replies to his post.
Dave Mc

William wrote:

> I just joined the group and am a little confused. Technically speaking, by
> putting your url at the bottom of the address, aren't you in a way spamming?
> I mean, you are without our consent giving us a url to a page where you then
> ask for money. Not meaning any offense, but what is the difference between
> your post and a *spammer*'s post?
>

> In article <36ed4e11...@news.bright.net>,
> east...@bright.net (Art) wrote:
> > Can you repost your report? I missed it and it sounds great.
> >
> > Art
> >

> > ----------------------------------


> > If it's spam it's a scam! I automatically report ALL
> > Spam received from these scum sucking bottom dwellers!
> > It is fun, easy to do and when you cause an account to
> > be closed (pisses the spammer off) it is rewarding! Join
> > me in the fight against spam!

David W. Mc Gaffney

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Mar 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/16/99
to Art
Right On "Brother"!

Art wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:23:34 GMT, William

> <willi...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> >I just joined the group and am a little confused. Technically speaking, by
> >putting your url at the bottom of the address, aren't you in a way spamming?
>

> No, I dont think so. (To even think of me as a spammer is a total
> insult.... but, being new to the group, I take it that you just dont
> understand what a real spammer is).
>
> Spammers lie and cheat.... I dont lie and cheat.
>
> Spammers steal money.... I dont take a dime.
>

Alexander Viro

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Mar 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/16/99
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In article <36eeca18...@news.bright.net>,
Art <east...@bright.net> wrote:
>How is this then?
>
>
>----------------------------------

>If it's spam it's scam! Spammers are scum sucking bottom
>dwellers! Reporting Spam is fun, easy to do might cause a
>Spammers spammers account to be closed! Join the fun and
>report spam to SpamCop at http://spamcop.net/
>

Almost OK. Standard convention being: line consisting of two dashes and one
space + up to 4 lines of text not longer than 80 columns.
The following would be completely fine:
>--

>If it's spam it's scam! Spammers are scum sucking bottom
>dwellers! Reporting Spam is fun, easy to do might cause a
>Spammers spammers account to be closed! Join the fun and

>report spam to SpamCop at http://spamcop.net/

The reason behind those conventions: normally you don't want to include
the signature of original posting into reply. Thus the easily-recognizable
separator ("-- ") - it gives newsreaders a chance to figure out that the
rest is signature. And it is unlikely to happen in the body of the posting.
BTW, sane newsreader will add the thing itself (with separator and all such)
if you'll put the text of signature into the right file. On UNIX it would be
.signature in your homedir. Dunno what is the common convention on Windows.

--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.

Art

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Mar 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/16/99
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Thanks to everyone for sending me the original post... it was great
reading. I was laughing so hard when I read about the phone call I
had tears streaming down my cheeks and the wife had to come in to see
if I was alright.

So, I wonder how many people called dear old Jonah?

Art

R, Scott

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Mar 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/16/99
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He's BAAAAACK .. this time through RCN, doesnt this TWERP learn.

#6)JKHP
P.O. Box 746
Timmins Ontario
P4N 7G2

And the headers:

xyzzy!uunet!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.197.251.110!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail
From: "This works!" <nos...@yo-yo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.cards.discuss
Subject: THIS REALLY DOES WORK! PLEASE READ!!@#!@#!@
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:59:01 -0500
Organization: yes!
Lines: 212
Message-ID: <7cki6m$9ep$1...@winter.news.rcn.net>
X-Trace: KEoKvkrB3nU5Q/8skigevlSK6SI1Nl5lEAFMEd3yZbM=
NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Mar 1999 03:12:22 GMT

Nigel - KSD

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Mar 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/19/99
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Do you mean

Joe Cipale

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Mar 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/19/99
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*ROTFLMBFAO*

Shit Nigel! Where is the damn C&C?

Nigel - KSD wrote in message <_HjI2.21533$%7.3...@nnrp3.clara.net>...

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