David Von Pein Flagrantly Lies...

[Ben Holmes]

>> Why was the closest police eyewitness to the murder - who just
>> coincidentally would have testified in contradiction to the SBT, never
>> questioned by the FBI or Warren Commission prior to the release of the
>> WCR?
>
> Wrong, David - Chaney and the officer riding in tandem with him BOTH
> were interviewed by the FBI and they BOTH stated that the three sounds
> came from above and behind and NO shots came from the side or the
> front. Chaney only reinforced the WC's official conclusion - the
> sounds came "from over my right shoulder" - spoken by Chaney on the
> afternoon of the shooting."

You're a liar, David.

When was the WCR released?

When was this FBI interview?

My crystal ball predicts you'll NEVER answer those two questions, then
retract the lie you just told.

(And indeed, David Von Pein has proven my crystal ball accurate yet
again - he ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to address the blatant lie he told
here.)

Anyone in this forum want to explain why James Chaney was never
questioned for the Warren Commission?

[chucksch...@gmail.com]

Just for grins and giggles?

[Ben Holmes]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:54:47 -0700 (PDT), chucksch...@gmail.com
wrote:

Demonstrating your cowardice?

Or that you know you lost?

[chucksch...@gmail.com]

Demonstrating that I own you.

Does anyone on this forum want to explain what was gained by stealing JFK's guarded and bloody, naked corpse from its secured coffin, stowing it away on AF1 for the flight back to DC, secretly putting it into a shipping casket and choppering it to Bethesda, just to arrive about 20 minutes before the "empty" ceremonial casket? Why not just order Humes to "remove the bullets" when the casket made its normal appearance after being shuttled over there? Why the extra cloak-and-dagger James Bond stuff? What's gained by all of the magical feats that supposedly took place?

We know Ben won't answer. Can Lil' Ben get some help here? Lifton? Rossley? Horne? Any of you JFK Truthers want to help Sputtering Ben with a logical response?

Yoo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ben Holmes]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 06:18:32 -0700 (PDT), chucksch...@gmail.com
wrote:

>Demonstrating that I own you.

What a moron!!!

The logic you're proposing is beyond stupid.


> Care to explain why JFK's naked bloody body was magically wrestled
> out of its secured coffin on AF1, stowed away on the flight back to
> Dallas, secretly shoved into a shipping casket and choppered to
> Bethesda, only to arrive about 20 minutes before the "empty"
> ceremonial casket? What was gained when they still could've just
> ordered Humes to "remove the bullets" anyway? Why all of the extra
> cloak-and-dagger James Bond stuff?

Tut tut tut, Chuck.

I don't need to explain how something was done when the evidence shows
that something other than the official story actually DID happen.


> Lifton? Horne? Mainframetech? Healy? Marsh? Yoo Hoo! Lil' Ben needs
> some help.


James Chaney scared you right into silence. You're absolutely
TERRRIFIED of what this issue shows about this case. You're also
absolutely FRIGHTENED of labeling David Von Pein a liar - which he
clearly is ... as demonstrated above.

The Warren Commission was *NOT* conducting an investigation... they
were conducting a coverup.

And you know it.

[Ben Holmes]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 06:18:32 -0700 (PDT), chucksch...@gmail.com

What a moron!!!

The logic you're proposing is beyond stupid.


> Care to explain why JFK's naked bloody body was magically wrestled
> out of its secured coffin on AF1, stowed away on the flight back to
> Dallas, secretly shoved into a shipping casket and choppered to
> Bethesda, only to arrive about 20 minutes before the "empty"
> ceremonial casket? What was gained when they still could've just

> ordered Humes to "remove the bullets" anyway? Why all of the extra
> cloak-and-dagger James Bond stuff?

[chucksch...@gmail.com]

Any lurkers notice Ben can't explain why "they" didn't just wait for JFK's body to arrive at Bethesda and then order Humes and company to "remove the bullets" in their sort of "pre-autopsy autopsy?"

Can anyone ask Ben to stop running for a second and think about this LOGICALLY?

Can anyone explain how Horne's goofy body-snatching conspiracy occurred when we have Dave Powers saying that the body was NEVER not guarded from Dallas to Bethesda?

Is Dave Powers part of the plot, Ben? Bwahahahaha!

Can anyone help a JFK Truther out?

[Ben Holmes]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 07:58:57 -0700 (PDT), chucksch...@gmail.com

You're lying again, Chuck.

I already stated that this was to control the eyewitnesses.

> Can anyone ask Ben to stop running for a second and think about this
> LOGICALLY?

I do.

I EXAMINE the evidence and see where it leads.

You, on the other hand, ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to examine the evidence, you
basically run in the other direction.

> Can anyone explain how Horne's goofy body-snatching conspiracy
> occurred when we have Dave Powers saying that the body was NEVER not
> guarded from Dallas to Bethesda?

So you accept David Powers?

Then you *KNOW* that there was a conspiracy - because he's on record
as stating that the shots came from behind the Grassy Knoll fence...

And, of course, I've already pointed out that you're continuing to lie
about David Powers and being contradicted by Sibert & O'Neal.

David Powers NEVER stated that he witnessed the body from Parkland to
Bethesda, and YOU KNOW IT.

You're simply a liar.

Tell us Chuck... why the dishonesty? Why the cowardice??

>Is Dave Powers part of the plot, Ben? Bwahahahaha!

You don't believe him. (except when it's convenient.) And what he said
doesn't support what you believe.

>Can anyone help a JFK Truther out?

Can anyone help a Warren Commission Nazi out?

[Ben Holmes]

Anyone notice that Chuck is refusing to address this?

What a COWARD Chuck is!

[Bud]

You really should try harder to hide the fact that you are merely playing silly retard games with the deaths of these men.

[Bud]

You`re lying, of course, and are merely playing silly games with the deaths of these men.

If you had valid ideas you would put them on the table, along with the evidence you see as supportive of these ideas. You don`t do this because you are ashamed of your ideas and you know how retarded they look in the light of day.

> You, on the other hand, ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to examine the evidence, you
> basically run in the other direction.
>
>
> > Can anyone explain how Horne's goofy body-snatching conspiracy
> > occurred when we have Dave Powers saying that the body was NEVER not
> > guarded from Dallas to Bethesda?
>
>
> So you accept David Powers?
>
> Then you *KNOW* that there was a conspiracy - because he's on record
> as stating that the shots came from behind the Grassy Knoll fence...

You`re lying. He didn`t *state* any such thing. He gave his impression. How can anyone state where the shots came from by only hearing gunshots?

> And, of course, I've already pointed out that you're continuing to lie
> about David Powers and being contradicted by Sibert & O'Neal.
>
> David Powers NEVER stated that he witnessed the body from Parkland to
> Bethesda, and YOU KNOW IT.

You are running from what Chuck quoted him actually saying.

> You're simply a liar.
>
> Tell us Chuck... why the dishonesty? Why the cowardice??
>
>
> >Is Dave Powers part of the plot, Ben? Bwahahahaha!
>
>
> You don't believe him. (except when it's convenient.) And what he said
> doesn't support what you believe.

He doesn`t hurt it. The best witnesses actually witness things.

[Ben Holmes]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:39:39 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>

What's the definition of "conspiracy?"

[Ben Holmes]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>

[Ben Holmes]

Chuck is just TERRIFIED of admitting that David Von Pein lied.

[chucksch...@gmail.com]

He didn't lie.

But let's try (for once) to get you to expound on one of your crackpot ideas:

What would Chaney have said to the WC that was so explosive?

[Ben Holmes]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 08:34:31 -0700 (PDT), chucksch...@gmail.com

Of course he did. He claimed that James Chaney *WAS* questioned for
the Warren Commission. But that's simply untrue.

I DARE YOU TO CITE THE QUESTIONING OF JAMES CHANEY IN 1963 OR 1964.

But you won't... you're lying just as David did.

>But let's try (for once) to get you to expound on one of your crackpot ideas:
>
>What would Chaney have said to the WC that was so explosive?

What *DID* Chaney say in 1963/64 that contradicted the Warren
Commission's theory?

Are you just pretending ignorance? Or are you truly ignorant?

If you'd take the time to read the Warren Commission's eyewitness
testimony - you'd know these things...

[David Von Pein]

Here we have another example of Holmes not even knowing WHO he is talking to. He claims that I wrote something about Chaney, when, in fact, it wasn't written by me at all. It was a quote written by Dale H. Hayes Jr. at Amazon.

Holmes, for some "scumbag" reason all his own, decided to change his own quote from "You're a liar, Dale" to "You're a liar, David". This change is confirmed here....

http://conspiracyjfkforum.blogspot.com/2016/09/james-chaney-believers-lying.html

So, as we can easily verify via the above link, Ben "Scumbag" Holmes is dead wrong yet again. He was really calling Dale Hayes a liar, not me. Can I expect an apology anytime soon? Being the despicable slime that Holmes is, I kinda doubt it.

[David Von Pein]

Addendum....

Here's the "Wayback Machine" archived version of the above link I just posted above, in case Holmes decides to do that Scumbag Thing yet again and change "Dale" to "David" on the live page of his "ConspiracyJFKForum" blog....

https://web.archive.org/web/20170807161729/http://conspiracyjfkforum.blogspot.com/2016/09/james-chaney-believers-lying.html

[Ben Holmes]

Certainly David... I'm willing to apologize for calling *THIS*
statement a lie on your part.

The problem, of course, is that you're still a liar, and I can't
apologize for *that*.

But I do apologize for putting Dale's statement in your mouth - that
was a mistake on my part and not intentional.

So tell us David, can you publicly acknowledge that *DALE* was lying?

[David Von Pein]

BEN HOLMES SAID:

The problem, of course, is that you're still a liar, and I can't apologize for *that*.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Holmes, you're still as much of a scumbag as ever, I see. Nice.

[David Von Pein]

Addendum #2....

Here's the original post/discussion from November 2015, in which Holmes first decided to pretend that Dale Hayes' post was written by me....

https://web.archive.org/web/20170807163201/https://www.amazon.com/forum/history/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx33HXI3XVZDC8G&cdMsgID=Mx2HGPBLUYBN40M&cdMsgNo=1960&cdPage=79&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx2TWVIHCI1W2YB#Mx2HGPBLUYBN40M

[Bud]

<snicker> Good luck with that. Ben can`t really ague an idea to save his life.

[Bud]

<snicker> Ben takes a position position, that what Chaney would have said would have been harmful to the WC`s conclusions. Someone asks "How so?" Then he goes into his chicken dance routine instead of giving a straight answer.

> If you'd take the time to read the Warren Commission's eyewitness
> testimony - you'd know these things...

If you looked at what we have coming straight from the man`s mouth on film you`d know that what he had to say was very supportive of the WC`s conclusions.

[Ben Holmes]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>

"Dud" snickers, but refuses to define "conspiracy."

[Ben Holmes]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 11:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>

"Dud's" still "snickering" - but can't define "conspiracy."

[Ben Holmes]

Still afraid to deal with the facts...

And still just as big a liar as ever, aren't you David?

Why are you so TERRIFIED of what James Chaney would have testified to?

Why are you so TERRIFIED that a fellow believer got caught lying?

[Ben Holmes]

Amusingly, David Von Pein is now taking notes from "Conan" - and
snipping everything he's responding to.

The cowardice 'round here is truly amazing!

[Bud]

He refuses to answer loaded questions.

[Bud]

Bud has been snickering at bad conspiracy retard thinking for years now.

> but can't define "conspiracy."

Of course I can.

[Ben Holmes]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 14:17:39 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>

[Ben Holmes]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 14:19:04 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>

> Dud has been snickering at bad conspiracy retard thinking for years now.

>
>> but can't define "conspiracy."
>
> Of course I can.