Laughing at being caught lying?
Or being caught *stupid*?
Clearly one or the other... since you ABSOLUTELY REFUSED to defend
your lie, or refute my logical argument given below.
>> Then BAKER would have **RUN** as he was videotaped doing on 11/22.
>> (Not slower, as he did in the recreation.)
>>
>
> Yeah, I knew Holmes was lying his ass off when he said this earlier....
>
> "...but we KNOW FOR A FACT (because we have video of the event) that
> Baker RAN THAT DISTANCE." -- B. Holmes
And yet, that's EXACTLY what we know... He was FILMED running to the
TSBD, yet in the recreation he merely "walked" or "trotted."
So who's the liar here?
You pretended not to even *know* about that film!!!
> Holmes thinks the Darnell video footage showing Baker running toward
> the TSBD is the same as having a video of the "event" showing Baker
> running all the up to the second-floor lunchroom---even though
> Darnell's (and/or Couch's) videos only show Officer Baker for a
> couple of seconds (and BEFORE Baker even reached the entrance of
> the Book Depository Building).
You've just created a strawman, then beat it to death.
But you're just molesting the neighborhood children again if you're
trying to claim that *I* said any such thing.
Can you *QUOTE* me making any such claim?
Will you stop molesting the neighborhood children long enough to
produce a quote of me saying what you just claimed I said?
> Ergo, Ben just flat-out lied. (What a surprise.)
Actually, you just did.
Because you'll *NEVER* quote me saying what you just claimed.
>> **THAT** would have given "Oswald" the benefit of doubt.
>>
>> Instead, everything was precisely the opposite... Howlett moved
>> quickly, and BAKER SIMPLY WALKED. (Or "trotted" ... which is not
>> a run...)
>>
>> SO YOU'RE EITHER INCREDIBLY *STUPID* AND UNABLE TO FOLLOW SIMPLE
>> LOGIC, OR YOU'RE A DESPICABLE LIAR...
>>
>> Which is it David?
>>
>> You can't follow that "giving Oswald the benefit" would be PRECISELY
>> OPPOSITE TO WHAT WAS DONE IN THE RECREATION - or you *do* understand
>> it and simply lied?
>>
>
> You're nuts. The WC definitely gave Oswald (Howlett) MORE time than
> was needed.
Then simply cite where he remained at the window for 15 seconds as was
described by a witness.
But you won't.
Describe how he placed the rifle *UNDER* some boxes...
But you won't.
> And in my book, I'd call that giving someone the "benefit of the doubt"/
You're a DISGUSTING liar...
The "benefit" for "Oswald" would have been to move *SLOWER*, not
faster...
> And your extra "15 seconds" isn't a time that has been verified (nor
> could it be). Brennan did say that Oswald stood and admired his feat
> for a few seconds, but that's hardly "15 seconds". And it sure as heck
> doesn't take any time at all to drop a gun into a stack of book cartons.
You're lying again, David.
Of course, I've not even seriously touched on this topic, since we
know that Truly was running ahead of Baker by at least half a floor on
the stairs, and so time must be ADDED to Howlett's time to allow him
down the stairs AHEAD OF TRULY, not just Baker.
We also know that Baker was artificially started later... you can read
a good synopsis of this evidence in "Presumed Guilty" - available
online.
> CTers like Walt Cakebread want to make this task sound arduous and
> time-consuming, and it just is not at all.
You can't even accurately describe what was done.
>> Which is it, David? Liar or Stupid?
>>
>
> Which is it, Ben -- are you goofy or retarded? I can't figure out
> which anymore.
As predicted, you ran.
You can't defend your STUPID claim ... one that's PRECISELY the
opposite from the truth.
>>> Therefore, Oswald was given a BREAK as far as those re-enactments by
>>> Howlett were concerned.
>>
>>
>> I DARE YOU to defend this ridiculous claim. I DEFY YOU TO MAKE A LOGICAL
>> ARGUMENT THAT IT WAS TO OSWALD'S BENEFIT TO HAVE HOWLETT MOVE FAST AND
>> BAKER TO MOVE SLOW.
>>
>
> The kook named Holmes has lost me completely here. He now seems to
> be implying something that I never said or implied at all. If Howlett
> moves FASTER (which he should have done, IMO, to simulate a reasonable
> speed of Oswald on Nov. 22), then of course that's NOT giving LHO any
> "benefit of the doubt".
Which is, of course, what happened.
> It's only a "benefit" for LHO if Howlett moves SLOWER---which he did
> in his March 20, 1964, re-enactments.
This *IS* what I stated, moron!!!
And *NO*, he did *NOT* move "slower" - you can't cite any evidence at
all for this lie on your part!
> He was only utilizing two WALKING speeds --- a "normal walking pace" and
> a "fast walk". Oswald was undoubtedly moving faster than two two speeds.
> And yet Howlett still beat Baker's time to the lunchroom. And Baker
> specifically said his 3/20/64 times were "minimum" times. I.E., he
> probably took LONGER than 90 seconds to get to the lunchroom on Nov. 22.
Nope... once again, you're a liar.
Even a MORON LIKE YOU should be able to figure out that someone
"walking" or "trotting" isn't going to get you somewhere FASTER than
running.
Even *YOU* admit that Baker was provably running on 11/22/63.
So tell us why he "walked" and "trotted" during his recreation...
Or run like the yellow coward you are yet again...
> Any way you slice it (with or without any "benefit of the doubt" being
> given to Lee Oswald).....the re-enactments show that Oswald beats Baker
> to the second floor, which is exactly what really did happen, of
> course, on 11/22/63.
You clearly *REFUSED* to defend your lie.
You had NOTHING to refute my clear and obvious logic that "Oswald" did
*NOT* receive any "benefit" from the speed of Howlett, and the
slowness of Baker.
YOU WERE TRYING TO PAWN OFF THE PRECISE OPPOSITE!!!
>> You're a GUTLESS LIAR (or incredibly stupid.)
>>
>>
>> If *I* wanted to "save" Oswald - and I were conducting the "recreation"
>> - I would have forced Howlett to move *SLOWER* (since we have EVIDENCE
>> THAT THE ASSASSIN *DID* MOVE SLOWER), and I would force Baker to RUN
>> THE SAME AS HE DID ON 11/22/63.
Other reasons for moving slower was navigating boxes that were no
longer there when Howlett did the recreation... cycling the weapon,
which took 2.3 seconds...
>> *THAT* would have resulted in no meeting...
>>
>> If the Warren Commission wanted to fry Oswald - they would have Howlett
>> move as quickly as he could - WHICH HE PROVABLY DID - at least insofar
>> as the waiting at the window goes... and I would have slowed Baker
>> down as much as possible - so Howlett could arrive earlier.
>>
>> WHICH BAKER PROVABLY **DID** (with his "walk" or "trot")
>>
>>
>> IF YOU WERE AN HONEST MAN, DAVID VON PEIN, YOU'D REFUTE WHAT I JUST
>> STATED, AND GIVE **YOUR** LOGICAL EXPLANATION...
>>
>> But you won't.
The gutless child molester stays silent... just as I predicted...
>>> And yet Howlett STILL managed to get to the second floor in less than 80
>>> seconds each time --- even though I still hear CTers to this day telling
>>> me that Oswald didn't have a prayer of making it down to the lunchroom
>>> in even NINETY seconds.
>>>
>>> But, quite obviously, given the results of Agent Howlett's tests, even
>>> if LHO was WALKING the whole distance, he still could easily have gotten
>>> to the 2nd floor in well under 90 seconds, thereby beating Officer Baker
>>> to the lunchroom.
>>
>> Minus the 15 seconds at the window, minus the *REAL* time of hiding
>> the rifle.
And the time to cycle the bolt... plus the time to navigate the boxes
that were no longer there.
>> Do you suppose *EVERYONE* is as stupid as your fellow believers who
>> won't point these facts out?
>>
>> "Conan," for example, who pretends to be a critic, yet he's not
>> correcting you on these facts.
Did I hit the nail on the head, or not?
>>>> You also know that the recreations didn't take into account eyewitness
>>>> statements that put the assassin at the window as long as 15 seconds
>>>> or so AFTER the assassination.
>>
>> Dead silence...
>>
>>
>>>> These facts won't be pointed out in the censored forum - which explains
>>>> why so many believers hang out there... they won't have their lies
>>>> pointed out.
>>
>> Crickets...
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