THE WARREN COMMISSION'S OBJECTIVES
David Von Pein
Many conspiracy theorists believe that the Warren Commission was
created merely to "cover up" the truth about President Kennedy's
assassination.
And some conspiracists also believe that Earl Warren's Commission, in
effect, framed the late Lee Harvey Oswald for the murders of both
Kennedy and policeman J.D. Tippit, with those particular conspiracy
theorists believing that the Warren Commission knew full well that
Oswald was totally innocent of both of those murders, but the
Commission decided to conclude in its final report that Oswald was
guilty of those crimes and that he had acted alone.
To the conspiracy theorists who possess such a nonsensical mindset, I
offer up the following excerpts from Vincent Bugliosi's book,
"Reclaiming History". And after reading these book excerpts, a good
question to then ask CTers would be this one----
Is this how the Warren Commission would have behaved if the MAIN
OBJECTIVE of the members of that Commission was to rubber-stamp the
"Oswald Did It Alone" conclusion reached by the Federal Bureau of
Investigation in the FBI's 12/9/63 report on the assassination? .....
"The purposes of the Warren Commission, as stated in the
executive order, were "to examine the evidence developed by the
Federal Bureau of Investigation and any additional evidence that may
hereafter come to light or be uncovered by Federal or State
authorities; to make such further investigation as the Commission
finds desirable; to evaluate all the facts and circumstances
surrounding such assassination, including the subsequent violent death
of the man charged with the assassination, and to report to me
[President Lyndon B. Johnson] its findings and conclusions."
"Although accurate, there are indications that a secondary task
was expected. It was apparent, at least to Chief Justice Warren and
President Johnson, that rumors and speculation had to be quelled.
"Staff counsel Norman Redlich believed that allaying public
fears was "a byproduct of the principal objective which was to
discover all the facts."
"There was an additional, humanly selfish motive for getting at
the truth too. Staff counsel Burt Griffin recalled, "I think it is
fair to say, and it certainly reflects my feeling, and it was
certainly the feeling that I had of all of my colleagues, that we were
determined, if we could, to prove the FBI was wrong, to find a
conspiracy if we possibly could. I think we thought we would be
national heroes in a sense if we could find something sinister beyond
what appeared to have gone on." ....
"On December 9 [1963], the FBI submitted a 384-page, five-volume
report (one volume dealing with the assassination, one with Ruby's
killing of Oswald, and three volumes of exhibits) to the Warren
Commission summarizing the bureau's entire investigation to date, and
concluding that Oswald killed Kennedy and acted alone.
"At its next meeting, on December 16, after Supreme Court
justice Stanley F. Reed administered an oath to all its members, the
Commission set about to determine the scope of the investigation.
"The first order of business was to consider the FBI's summary
report. "Well, gentlemen," the chief justice said to his fellow
Commission members, "I have read that report two or three times and I
have not seen anything in there yet that has not been in the
press." ....
"But that wasn't the biggest problem. It was the obvious
deficiency of the report, mostly attributable, Warren said, to the
fact that "they [FBI] put this thing together very fast."
"Representative Hale Boggs pointed out that, remarkably,
"There's nothing in [the report] about Governor Connally."
"Senator John Cooper: "And whether or not they found any bullets
in him." After reading the report, John McCloy said that "this bullet
business leaves me confused."
""It's totally inconclusive," opined Chief Justice Warren.
Representative Gerald Ford: "[The report] was interesting to read but
it did not have the depth that it ought to have."
"There were so many unanswered questions. For instance,
Representative Boggs observed, "There is still little on this fellow
Ruby, including his movements, what he was doing, how he got in there
[City Hall basement garage]." ....
"Talking about the issue of precisely what took place among the
occupants of the presidential limousine at the time of the shooting,
Warren said, "I wonder if the report we get from the Secret Service
wouldn't pretty much clear that up...They were there, right at the
car, and know exactly what happened."
"Representative Boggs: "Well, this FBI report doesn't clear it
up." Warren: "It doesn't do anything." Boggs: "It raises a lot of new
questions in my mind."
"General Counsel Rankin summed up the feelings of practically
all of the Commission members when he noted that "the report has so
many holes in it. Anybody can look at it and see that it just doesn't
seem like they're looking for things that this Commission has to look
for in order to get the answers that it wants and it's entitled to."
"Very momentously, it was during this December 16 session that
the Commission decided it could not rely solely on the FBI report or
reports from any of the other federal agencies either.
""After studying this [FBI] report," Chief Justice Warren said,
"unless we have the raw materials [i.e., interviews, affidavits,
recordings, photographs, etc.] that went into the making of the report
and have an opportunity to examine those raw materials and make our
own appraisal, any appraisal of this report would be [worth] little or
nothing."
"Warren went on to move "that the Commission request at once
from all investigative agencies and departments of the Government the
raw materials on which their reports to the Commission are based," and
his motion was seconded and adopted.
"The FBI, which would end up doing a monumental amount of very
detailed investigation into the assassination, had failed its first
test, badly.
"In addition to the commissioners wanting to see and appraise
the "raw materials" so they could determine the legitimacy of the
conclusions in the reports from the federal agencies, they decided
that among the commission staff there had to be a lawyer of high
caliber who, as Senator Russell said, "would take this FBI report and
this CIA report and go through it and analyze every contradiction and
every soft spot in it...as if [in the case of an FBI report] he were
going to use them to prosecute J. Edgar Hoover." "I agree
with you one hundred percent," Warren said. ....
"The commissioners...left no doubt that they themselves were in
a very investigative mood." -- Pages 326 and 329-331 of Vincent
Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F.
Kennedy" (c.2007)
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ADDENDUM:
The Warren Commission's David W. Belin mirrored Burt Griffin's
comments in Belin's 1973 book:
"In those days immediately following the tragedy, I felt it was
highly probable that there was a conspiracy, that Lee Harvey Oswald
might not be the real assassin, despite the claims of the FBI, and
that Ruby had killed Oswald to silence his victim. ....
"The susceptibility of human nature to the mystique of
conspiracy afforded a fertile field for assassination sensationalists.
Through misrepresentation, omission and innuendo, they were successful
in deceiving a large body of world public opinion for one reason: Few
people objectively examined the overall evidence in depth the way a
jury would, had there been an actual trial. ....
"We started with no "foregone conclusions"; in fact, I
subconsciously wanted to find evidence to prove that Lee Harvey Oswald
was NOT the assassin. ....
"At no time have we [Joe Ball and David Belin] assumed that Lee
Harvey Oswald was the assassin of President Kennedy. Rather, our
entire study has been based on an independent examination of all of
the evidence in an effort to determine who was the assassin of
President Kennedy." -- David Belin; Pages 4 and 15 of "November 22,
1963: You Are The Jury" (c.1973)
www.You-Are-The-Jury.blogspot.com
If I could travel back to late 1963 and early 1964 in a time machine,
one of the things I would be most anxious to do would be to sit in on
a few of the executive sessions of the Warren Commission (in a "fly on
the wall" manner), just to hear for myself what was being discussed
(even "off the record") during those Commission meetings.
And if such "fly on the wall" eavesdropping on the WC could be
accomplished in a handy time machine, I have a feeling that every
single bogus cloud of suspicion that many conspiracy theorists have
decided to hang over the heads of the entire Warren Commission would
evaporate very quickly.
And the reason that such suspicions would disappear in very quick
order is because Griffin and Belin were telling the truth -- they
really did want to find a conspiracy. But they couldn't do
it....because Oswald really was the lone assassin of President John F.
Kennedy and Jack Ruby really was a second "lone nut" in Dallas in
November 1963.
Sometimes things really ARE as they appear to be.
David Von Pein
October 28, 2009
www.Quoting-Common-Sense.blogspot.com
www.The-JFK-Assassination.blogspot.com
Gil Jesus
soilysound
David Von Pein
>>> "Come on Dave, that's just absolutely ludicrous." <<<
What is?
Gil Jesus
> >>> "Come on Dave, that's just absolutely ludicrous." <<<
>
> What is?
Your whole premise.
David Von Pein
>>> "Your whole premise." <<<
Keep dreaming, Mr. Retard:
soilysound
> >>> "Come on Dave, that's just absolutely ludicrous." <<<
>
> What is?
You bizarre claim that the Warren Commission actually had any
integrity and set out to find the truth. You can (and do) make some
perfectly credible arguments about Oswald's guilt, but to try and
argue that the WC wasn't set up with the aim of finding Oswald guilty
is moon howling stuff of the kind you'd rightly pillory the sillier
CTs for.
David Von Pein
Soily is silly. ;)
robcap...@netscape.com
> Many conspiracy theorists believe that the Warren Commission was
> created merely to "cover up" the truth about President Kennedy's
> assassination.
LOL!!! So he is calling 90% of the country "conspiracy theorists",
huh?
Why are the LNers NOT "Lone Nut Theorists?" I mean all they have is a
theory they can't prove, right?
> And some conspiracists also believe that Earl Warren's Commission, in
> effect, framed the late Lee Harvey Oswald for the murders of both
> Kennedy and policeman J.D. Tippit, with those particular conspiracy
> theorists believing that the Warren Commission knew full well that
> Oswald was totally innocent of both of those murders, but the
> Commission decided to conclude in its final report that Oswald was
> guilty of those crimes and that he had acted alone.
This is what their OWN evidence shows us, and scratch the "some" part
as 90% of the country KNOWS THIS!
> To the conspiracy theorists who possess such a nonsensical mindset, I
> offer up the following excerpts from Vincent Bugliosi's book,
> "Reclaiming History". And after reading these book excerpts, a good
> question to then ask CTers would be this one----
Dave Von Con offers us a paid for shill/progandists as his evidence!
LOL!!
> Is this how the Warren Commission would have behaved if the MAIN
> OBJECTIVE of the members of that Commission was to rubber-stamp the
> "Oswald Did It Alone" conclusion reached by the Federal Bureau of
> Investigation in the FBI's 12/9/63 report on the assassination? .....
Explain why 6 out of 7 parts of their "investigation" focused on LHO
ALONE IF they were interested in the truth?
But he won't.
> "The purposes of the Warren Commission, as stated in the
> executive order, were "to examine the evidence developed by the
> Federal Bureau of Investigation and any additional evidence that may
> hereafter come to light or be uncovered by Federal or State
> authorities; to make such further investigation as the Commission
> finds desirable; to evaluate all the facts and circumstances
> surrounding such assassination, including the subsequent violent death
> of the man charged with the assassination, and to report to me
> [President Lyndon B. Johnson] its findings and conclusions."
This was their FIRST MISTAKE -- relying on two shady groups like the
FBI and CIA for their "evidence"! They should have taken the time to
investigate themselves as they wound taking 9 months anyway!
> "Although accurate, there are indications that a secondary task
> was expected. It was apparent, at least to Chief Justice Warren and
> President Johnson, that rumors and speculation had to be quelled.
Secondary task??? LOL!! So they were correct in FOCUSING ONLY ON LHO
AND NO ONE ELSE???
> "Staff counsel Norman Redlich believed that allaying public
> fears was "a byproduct of the principal objective which was to
> discover all the facts."
What IF they were mutually exclusive?? Meaning IF the facts did NOT
ally the public's fears, but INCREASED THEM, what did they do then?
> "There was an additional, humanly selfish motive for getting at
> the truth too. Staff counsel Burt Griffin recalled, "I think it is
> fair to say, and it certainly reflects my feeling, and it was
> certainly the feeling that I had of all of my colleagues, that we were
> determined, if we could, to prove the FBI was wrong, to find a
> conspiracy if we possibly could. I think we thought we would be
> national heroes in a sense if we could find something sinister beyond
> what appeared to have gone on." ....
LOL!!! This guy should get an acting Emmy or Oscar for this junk!
ONLY one or two took on Hoover and they soon were made to back off as
Hoover began a full investigation of the WC PANEL! Hoover spent MORE
time investigating the WC than he did the JFK assassination!
> "On December 9 [1963], the FBI submitted a 384-page, five-volume
> report (one volume dealing with the assassination, one with Ruby's
> killing of Oswald, and three volumes of exhibits) to the Warren
> Commission summarizing the bureau's entire investigation to date, and
> concluding that Oswald killed Kennedy and acted alone.
Their lies are on the record Dave Von Con as they said Ruby had NO
ties to organized crime and EVEN the HSCA said this was untrue! There
are many more lies the HSCA admitted to as well.
> "At its next meeting, on December 16, after Supreme Court
> justice Stanley F. Reed administered an oath to all its members, the
> Commission set about to determine the scope of the investigation.
The scope was NIL! They did NO investigating on their own!
> "The first order of business was to consider the FBI's summary
> report. "Well, gentlemen," the chief justice said to his fellow
> Commission members, "I have read that report two or three times and I
> have not seen anything in there yet that has not been in the
> press." ....
A report that was considered gospel despite being done in a week of
the crime!
> "But that wasn't the biggest problem. It was the obvious
> deficiency of the report, mostly attributable, Warren said, to the
> fact that "they [FBI] put this thing together very fast."
See? Too bad he did not have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to
the FBI however.
Many of the members of the WC did NOT believe their OWN theory!
soilysound
> Soily is silly. ;)
I mean you do yourself a disservice. You'd actually convince far more
people of the LN case if you admitted the WC, the FBI and the Dallas
Police made tons of mistakes, were corrupt and were not seeking to
find the 'truth' above all else.
David Von Pein
Question for "Soily":
Do you truly believe (as many CTers do believe) that the Dallas Police
Department didn't give a damn about finding the real killer(s) of
their fellow officer named J.D. Tippit?
Do you think that the Dallas police was so wrapped up in a "cover-up"
or a "frame-up" job on Lee Oswald that they all just tossed their
morals and personal feelings concerning the murder of Officer Tippit
out the window?
(Just make something up if you can't find the words to reasonably
answer my last question about the DPD and Officer Tippit. I'm
accustomed to silliness from the CT camp anyway.)
lazu...@webtv.net
was controlled by partial lawyers -Belin, Jenner,
Liebeler-Dulles-Specter-Ball with a preconceived notion of Oswad's sole
guilt, relying unaware... of Agencies who misled them..in no way can
they be mistaken for honest truth seeking investigator's...Laz
tomnln
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David Emerling,
You wouldn't have any desire to SAVE John Kennedy (via your "time
machine" excursion)? ~wink~
Let me add these possibilities as I get back into my time machine:
In addition to being a fly on the wall during the Warren Commission's
executive sessions in 1964, I would have also taken a trip to Irving,
Texas, on the morning of November 21, 1963, in order to sneak into
Ruth Paine's garage so that I can steal Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle.
After pilfering the Mannlicher-Carcano, I would then dispose of the
weapon in some manner.
This November 21st rifle heist would have, of course, saved the life
of the 35th U.S. President the following day during his trip to
Dallas.
Mr. Oswald would have been a tad bit peeved when he went into Ruth's
garage and found an empty blanket. But that's just too bad for Lee
Harvey. His next attempted assassination will have to wait until
another day.
Of course, the above November '63 time machine scenario would mean
that my "fly on the wall" eavesdropping on the Warren Commission would
never have any chance of taking place, since the WC would never have
existed, since JFK won't be shot in Dealey Plaza.
So, if I had to pick between the two "time machine" choices, I'd have
to go with the rifle-swiping effort.
Another idea --- I could use my time machine to spoil Oswald's
murderous plan in another (very spiteful) manner: I won't steal his
rifle from the Paine garage....but I WILL hide all of Lee's 6.5-mm.
Carcano bullets.
I'll then have an irate Oswald on my hands (once again), as he
searches high and low for those damn bullets and his rifle clip (yes,
I'll take the clip too).
I'm a sneaky little bastard, aren't I? ;)