A Shortcut To Becoming A Lone-Assassin Believer -- Watch The 11/22/63 Real-Time Live TV Coverage
David Von Pein
WHAT IS ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO GO ABOUT THE TASK OF DEBUNKING MOST OF
THE MAJOR JFK CONSPIRACY THEORIES (WITHOUT REALLY TRYING TOO HARD)?
ANSWER:
WATCH (OR LISTEN TO) THE ORIGINAL "LIVE" TELEVISION AND RADIO COVERAGE
FROM 11/22/63.....
AND THEN TRY TO PUT YOURSELF INTO THE SHOES OF THE SO-CALLED
"PLOTTERS", WHO (PER MANY THEORISTS) HAD JUST SHOT JOHN F. KENNEDY FROM
MULTIPLE LOCATIONS WHILE USING TWO OR MORE GUNS.....
YOU'LL THEN FIND YOURSELF SAYING (AS I HAVE) -- "THIS STUFF PURPORTED
BY OLIVER STONE AND COMPANY IS JUST FLAT-OUT KOOKY!"
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To those JFK conspiracy theorists who seem to favor the Oliver
Stone-like or Robert Groden-promoted assassination scenarios (that
feature a minimum of three gunmen and anywhere from 6 to 10 gunshots
being fired at President Kennedy in Dallas' Dealey Plaza on November
22, 1963) -- I always suggest to them that they ought to dig up some of
the originally-aired "As It Is Happening" live TV or radio broadcasts
from that dark Friday in American history.
After performing that exercise of watching a few hours of the November
22 television coverage of the assassination (in real time), or
listening to some of the radio broadcasts in real time (which works
just as well) -- I challenge anyone to then arrive at the same
conclusion that was slapped up on the big theater screen in 1991 via
Director Oliver Stone's blockbuster, conspiracy-laden motion picture
"JFK".
Watching the day's events unfold "live" in front of you (or listening
to them unfold on the radio as it was happening) should, in my opinion,
provide everyone with a good general idea of how utterly impossible a
task it would have been to have "faked" so much stuff that was being
IMMEDIATELY reported to the world on live television and radio within
minutes and hours of the President's assassination (and within a very
short space of time following Police Officer J.D. Tippit's murder as
well).
Via those original live TV/Radio broadcasts, you're not going to hear a
SINGLE report that resembles anything close to the Oliver Stone/Jim
Garrison-endorsed nonsense of:
"Three gunmen fired six shots at President Kennedy's motorcade today
here in Dallas!!"
What you will hear, instead, is live coverage, as it happened, of a
ONE-GUNMAN assassination taking place from where the majority of
witnesses said it took place (the Texas School Book Depository
Building), with no more than three shots having been fired by THE
SINGLE SHOOTER, which is a shot count that over 91% of the witnesses
concur with -- including the small percentage of witnesses who heard
only one or two shots, who are witnesses that certainly don't do Mr.
Stone's "6-shot ambush" theory any favors.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/shots3.jpg
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/shots4.jpg
Upon evaluating virtually ALL of the TV networks' live assassination
footage from November 22nd, 1963, there is no possible way that a
reasonable person could arrive at a conclusion that JFK was shot by
three assassins, firing from both front and rear. Let alone arriving at
an even more-cockeyed conclusion, as purported by Mr. Groden and some
other CTers, which is an outlandish conspiracy-flavored scenario that
has John Kennedy and John Connally being shot by way more than just the
two Warren Commission-backed Mannlicher-Carcano bullets from Lee Harvey
Oswald's rifle.
Very nearly all of the information being reported on TV and radio that
November day favored a "Lone Assassin" shooting scenario (including the
info concerning the Tippit murder in Oak Cliff), with very little
evidence and information to support any type of a "conspiracy"
whatsoever.
This is quite a telling "One Killer" fact. Because, in my view, if a
vast conspiracy and subsequent "cover-up" had been in place on November
22nd (given the immense amount of TV and radio coverage, with reporters
scrutinizing everything coming across their desks and digging hard for
any type of case-solving clues during those first hours and days after
JFK and J.D. Tippit were killed), I think that at least SOME pieces of
the conspiracy would have leaked through to the sweeping television and
radio coverage surrounding the two Dallas murders.
And I'm guessing that every reporter and newsman in the country would
have loved to dig up some "conspiracy"-oriented angle during that
weekend in November of '63. Being the person who uncovered such a huge
story would certainly be a feather in that reporter's cap, to be sure.
But, as it turned out, nothing of that nature occurred....and has yet
to occur all these many years later.
To think (as many theorists do) that these conspirators were so smart
and so quick to have had the capabilities to immediately eliminate
virtually every last scrap of information leading to a conspiracy plot
of some kind, making sure that none of the "multi-gunmen shooting
event" details seeped through to the media (multiplied by TWO separate
murders as well, counting Tippit's!), is to think that any such
evil-doers had powers similar to "Superman".
For example -- Almost every one of the initial reports concerning the
number of gunshots heard by witnesses stated "3 shots". And while it's
true that the very first report of the shooting from UPI's Merriman
Smith (which was broadcast over all the television networks) stated
"Three shots were fired...", it's also worth noting that Smith's
initial bulletin was not the ONLY "three-shots" account that was
reported during those early hours just after the shooting.
For instance, Jay Watson of ABC affiliate WFAA-TV in Dallas (who
happened to be in Dealey Plaza during the shooting and nervously
reported the first bulletins to the unaware Dallas TV audience) is
heard multiple times on November 22 saying he heard "3 shots" fired.
Plus, several other members of the media are also on record stating
their own PERSONAL beliefs that exactly three shots were fired by the
assassin, including Robert MacNeil, Jack Bell, Bob Clark, Jerry Haynes,
and Pierce Allman, among still others.
Could these ultra-clever conspirators have somehow managed to
"manipulate" several reporters who were relaying the news live to the
world immediately after the event, and have them ALL report on hearing
just "three shots" (or, in a few cases, hearing just TWO shots, which
is a number that certainly does not favor a "Multi-Shooter Conspiracy
Plot")?
Or did the plotters just happen to get really, really LUCKY when
virtually all of the news reports favored the "Three Shots Fired"
conclusion? With this 3-shot scenario matching the precise number of
bullet shells that were found on the 6th Floor of the Book Depository
after the shooting; and also perfectly matching the exact number of
shots heard by TSBD witness Harold Norman, and also perfectly matching
the precise number of bullet shells (3) that Norman heard hitting the
plywood floor directly above his 5th-Floor location within the
Depository.
Which, per Oliver Stone's movie, would mean that a full 50% of the
ACTUAL number of gunshots were somehow inaudible to the enormous
majority (91%+) of the earwitnesses! And, remember, Oliver has NONE of
the shots within his movie's six-shot assassination ambush being
"synchronized" in order to merge together with the sound of some of the
other shots.
And yet, per Mr. Stone, we're supposed to actually believe that
approximately 9 out of every 10 witnesses somehow missed hearing HALF
of the gunshots fired that day! A reasonable thing to believe....or
not? I ask you.
Were these so-called conspiratorial shooters so good that they could
make 4 to 10 shots sound like only three to the vast majority of
witnesses scattered all throughout Dealey Plaza? Highly doubtful, to
say the least.
Again....watch the live TV footage....or listen to some of the
surviving 11/22/63 radio tapes....and then try to find a multi-gunmen
conspiracy lurking within ANY of those original broadcasts.
The link below offers up a great "Live" 63-minute-long example of what
I'm talking about. It links to over an hour's worth of KLIF-Radio
footage beginning at approximately 12:35 PM (CST) on the afternoon of
Friday, November 22nd, 1963.
I challenge anyone to try and locate even a HINT of "conspiracy" within
this footage. Do conspiracy buffs think that all of these KLIF news
reporters were "in" on some kind of massive conspiracy plot and an
IMMEDIATELY-IN-PLACE "cover-up" operation too? That would be a good
question for CTers to ask themselves as they listen to this fascinating
November 22 audio footage. .....
www.archive.org/download/november221963audio/KLIFunedited.mp3
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Papa Andy
interesting to see one of the 'eyewitness testimony is unreliable' guys
now using it so thoroughly
the people who ran toward the knoll can be seen on film
Zapbruder did not think the shots came from the book depository
but what difference does any of that make
your only purpose is to quote yourself at great length as if that backs
up any of your claims
you have a long way to go before you are as funny as cdddraftsman
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eca...@comcast.net
those pie chart graphics from
McAdams were:
1) From the mainstream rather than
JFK assassination researchers
2) Probably about 8 years old.. That's
another way of saying 5-10 years old.
Anyway your posts and you are really
helping new researchers as well as
veteran researchers like myself. And
the tide has changed and is still
changing.. My feeling is that 90% of
the veteran JFK researchers feel
that Oz did it and acted alone..
HOWEVER, what does happen is that
when Independents and even CTers
see the overwhelming amount of
evidence that Oswald did it they
simply drop further participation.
A major vehicle in providing clear
and convincing evidence of what
really happened is of course the
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*EVIDENCE*PATTERN*
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Regards & HNY, Ed
1139Dec3106
aeffects
Papa Andy wrote:
> as we all know the assassination was not broadcast live on TV
>
> interesting to see one of the 'eyewitness testimony is unreliable' guys
> now using it so thoroughly
>
> the people who ran toward the knoll can be seen on film
>
> Zapbruder did not think the shots came from the book depository
>
> but what difference does any of that make
>
> your only purpose is to quote yourself at great length as if that backs
> up any of your claims
>
> you have a long way to go before you are as funny as cdddraftsman
agree with you regarding Von Pein, he can't find enough *bandwidth* to
quote himself..... as to a *funny* Lower_y? Nah, demented is word that
comes to mind!
eca...@comcast.net
Papa, this is a very interesting point
and one that has not been fully
discussed. I know the answer; the real
answer.. And IMHO, only true veteran
objective researchers will immediately
know and understand what I am about
to say is true.
1) I LIVE here. This is important because
you need to know and understand the
layout of DP. Wipe that smirk off your
face; It's true.
2) If you were at the scene of a shooting
would you immediately run towards what
you believed was the source or area from
which an assassin's shot(s) came from?
Of course not! He might kill you for God's
sake!.. (But that was NOT why they
instinctively ran that way.)
3) The people were NOT running towards
the GK because they believed an
assassin(s) was there at all.
4) They were running in that direction
because that would be the **ONLY** area
from which to possibly catch a glimpse of
the limo as it speed away heading north.
5) However, although that is why they
instinctively ran towards the GK for a
possible last peek at the limo as it sped
away, no such view was available. But
they didn't know that; And even though I
have lived here for 60 years and have
traveled that route in DP both east and
west perhaps 2,000+ times, even I didn't
know that. Who in hell went up behind
the grassy knoll prior to 11-22-63?
6) But it looked like the best and clearly
was the *ONLY* chance they had for a
last glimpse.
7) That was why they ran in that direction.
8) If they believed a shooter was up there
who had just fired shots, nobody but the
Police would go in that direction, and
they'd go more cautiously with guns
drawn.
I hope that makes sense. It will to
those who really know the area and
are not limited to what is available to
them within the electronic & printed media.
If others have input or questions, I will
try to answer them. And if there is
conflicting input (very doubtful there
will be any) perhaps I can learn
something.
Regards & HNY!
Ed Cage 1218Dec3106
aeffects
eca...@comcast.net wrote:
> Thanks DVP. I would guess
> those pie chart graphics from
> McAdams were:
>
> 1) From the mainstream rather than
> JFK assassination researchers
>
> 2) Probably about 8 years old.. That's
> another way of saying 5-10 years old.
>
> Anyway your posts and you are really
> helping new researchers as well as
> veteran researchers like myself. And
> the tide has changed and is still
> changing.. My feeling is that 90% of
> the veteran JFK researchers feel
> that Oz did it and acted alone..
> HOWEVER, what does happen is that
> when Independents and even CTers
> see the overwhelming amount of
> evidence that Oswald did it they
> simply drop further participation.
there's hope for the non-Viagra using senior citizens YET! Your opinion
is duly noted and trashed amongst the utter foolishness to come from
.john's
tomnln
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tomnln
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tomnln
http://whokilledjfk.net/RACE%20TO%20TSBD.htm
What kind of a "Researcher" looks at one side Only?
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tomnln
People on top of the tripple overpass had a GREAT view of the Limo leaving
the area.
SEVERAL of them RAN to the Grassy Knoll.
SEE>>>
http://www.veoh.com/search.html?query=Rush+To+Judgement&numResults=20
http://www.veoh.com/videos/e125022YS5aT4WW
SEE>>> http://www.veoh.com/videos/e1696187KrCKY2D
SEE>>> http://www.veoh.com/videos/e1692679fa2HtGs
SEE>>> http://www.veoh.com/videos/e146853T8mydnQ2
SEE>>> http://www.veoh.com/videos/e97117rhh4n2F6
SEE>>> http://www.veoh.com/videos/e97136SJH5G4YE
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eca...@comcast.net
Good Grief tomnln!!!
Do you have any idea what
you just said?!? My God
Man! That's a completely
*****different location*****
I have actually made that
journey with Ricky Tobias
as we were looking for
possible sniper positions.
Naturally we didn't time
ourselves because we
were stopping along the way.
But hear this:
1) Virtually nobody knew there was even a
remote backyard back-door semi-dangerous,
heavily weeded
railroad yard back route to the triple overpass
from the Dealey Plaza/Grassy Knoll
area. It is not even visible my friend even if
you get behind the GK..
2) More importantly, even if you knew of these
obscure, weeded, semi-dangerous (railroad
tracks) route I promise you the limo would
have gotten to all the way to Parkland Hospital
before you achieved your lofty perch on the
triple overpass!<============Different location
Please don't misunderstand, your input
is welcome but for God's sake tomnln,
TRY TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
HNY, MR ;~D
1408Dec3106
eca...@comcast.net
your triple overpass location
was a completely different
but I didn't know until now
that your references don't
relate to the subject anyway!
Do you just stick down a
bunch of cites and hope nobody
will look at them? That hasn't
been the case until today,
but these cites are completely
irrelevant. Although they do
make an impressive list of
cites they don't belong under
this subject.
I suggest you don't try this
tactic again.
Ed
1433Dec3106
tomnln
You Must Twist everything.
I said the people already on top of the triple overpass Immediately RAN to
the Grassy Knoll.
Just like almost everyone else in Delay Plaza.
Including people Directly Under the 6th floor window.
Including DPD officer J M Smith.
Nobody was interested in seeing the Limo once it left Dealy Plaza.
It's ALL on the videos I supplied.
The videos you're Afraid to address.
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Two Oswalds. Had to be. No other way it could have gone down
<< snip >>
Stone may indeed be a kook. But that has nothing to do with the
fact ..that there may have been other shooters, and / or a conspiracy.
A nice try though. Shadoobie .
David Von Pein
The kooks want to believe that gobs of people (including frail-looking
old ladies and several children) ALL had the in-unison desire to start
CHASING A GUY WITH A HIGH-POWERED RIFLE WHO JUST BLEW THE PRESIDENT'S
HEAD OFF FROM THE KNOLL! .....
http://216.122.129.112/dc/user_files/4932.jpg
Show of hands.......
Who here would DELIBERATELY race toward a location where they thought a
crazed assassin with a gun was located?
(Did anybody raise their hands, except the kooks? I sure as hell didn't
raise mine.)
aeffects
you're periously close in achieving *STUMP* of the YEAR award, you need
to find a job, a paying one (to quote Ed Cage - Davey's new *groupie*),
DUDE!
David Von Pein
Not bad for it being only the 2nd day of the year, eh?
(Kook.)
aeffects
based on my recollections of your 10,000+ internet posts [here and
elsewhere ] thats about ALL you have, a bit of grammar and a WAY over
inflated ego.... you're edging closer.....