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Proof that the SBT is Sheer Nonsense.

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Ben Holmes

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Jan 29, 2017, 7:38:50 PM1/29/17
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Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

http://conspiracyjfkforum.com/Thread-Proof-that-the-SBT-is-Sheer-Nonsense

David Von Pein

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Jan 29, 2017, 8:01:41 PM1/29/17
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This is just another meaningless excuse used by CTers to sidestep the obvious --- i.e., that John B. Connally was struck by just ONE BULLET, with that ONE BULLET entering Connally's upper back FROM BEHIND.

So all the talk about the "volar" and "dorsal" sides of JBC's wrist is just useless and empty talk, because it was determined by the doctors (and Dr. Shaw said this to the press on Day 1) that all of Connally's wrist injuries were caused by the bullet that EXITED FROM HIS CHEST. And the WC and HSCA concluded that fact as well.

Ergo, CTers (as usual) can go NOWHERE with the "volar/dorsal" argument, because regardless of any confusing aspects about the "entry" and "exit" wounds in JBC's wrist, the fact remains his wrist was hit by a bullet that had just exited his chest. Which is totally consistent with the bullet coming from the Sniper's Nest in the Depository.

CTers lose (again), because this is yet another "Goes Nowhere" type of argument put forth by desperate conspiracy theorists.

This is similar to the "CONNALLY COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAVE HELD ONTO HIS HAT WITH THAT BROKEN WRIST" argument. Even though we know, via Nellie Connally's remarks plus the Zapruder Film itself, that Gov. Connally *DID* hold onto his Stetson long after his wrist was shattered by Oswald's bullet.

Bud

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Jan 29, 2017, 8:02:04 PM1/29/17
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On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 7:38:50 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.
>
> 1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.
>
> 2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.
>
> 3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.
>
> 4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.
>
> 5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.
>
> It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...
>
> But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

How does a bullet entering the back of Connally`s wrist and exiting the palm side harm the SBT?

> (Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)
>
> http://conspiracyjfkforum.com/Thread-Proof-that-the-SBT-is-Sheer-Nonsense

What is Dr Gregory`s training in pathology or wound ballistics?

Ben Holmes

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Jan 29, 2017, 9:02:24 PM1/29/17
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On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 5:01:41 PM UTC-8, David Von Pein wrote:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 7:38:50 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.
> >
> > 1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.
> >
> > 2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.
> >
> > 3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.
> >
> > 4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.
> >
> > 5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.
> >
> > It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...
> >
> > But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...
> >
> > (Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)
> >
> > http://conspiracyjfkforum.com/Thread-Proof-that-the-SBT-is-Sheer-Nonsense
>
> This is just another meaningless excuse used by CTers to sidestep the obvious --- i.e., that John B. Connally was struck by just ONE BULLET, with that ONE BULLET entering Connally's upper back FROM BEHIND.


That's not what the doctor who treated him testified to...



> So all the talk about the "volar" and "dorsal" sides of JBC's wrist is just useless and empty talk, because it was determined by the doctors (and Dr. Shaw said this to the press on Day 1) that all of Connally's wrist injuries were caused by the bullet that EXITED FROM HIS CHEST. And the WC and HSCA concluded that fact as well.


Yep... this is a combination of failure to understand and sheer denial.



> Ergo, CTers (as usual) can go NOWHERE with the "volar/dorsal" argument, because regardless of any confusing aspects about the "entry" and "exit" wounds in JBC's wrist, the fact remains his wrist was hit by a bullet that had just exited his chest. Which is totally consistent with the bullet coming from the Sniper's Nest in the Depository.


Can't happen.

Simple to illustrate... simply place your right hand in a position to catch a bullet coming out of your chest and entering the BACK of the wrist.

But don't worry, I still expect you to run like the coward you are.


> CTers lose (again), because this is yet another "Goes Nowhere" type of argument put forth by desperate conspiracy theorists.


This is an argument that you cannot refute... and indeed, haven't even tried.

Until you can CREDIBLY show how a bullet exiting the chest can strike the outside of Connally's wrist, you've lost.


> This is similar to the "CONNALLY COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAVE HELD ONTO HIS HAT WITH THAT BROKEN WRIST" argument. Even though we know, via Nellie Connally's remarks plus the Zapruder Film itself, that Gov. Connally *DID* hold onto his Stetson long after his wrist was shattered by Oswald's bullet.

Nope... has nothing to do with that.

And once again, sheer speculation isn't evidence.

Ben Holmes

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Jan 29, 2017, 9:04:55 PM1/29/17
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On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 5:02:04 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 7:38:50 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.
> >
> > 1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.
> >
> > 2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.
> >
> > 3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.
> >
> > 4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.
> >
> > 5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.
> >
> > It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...
> >
> > But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...
>
> How does a bullet entering the back of Connally`s wrist and exiting the palm side harm the SBT?

Answer immediately below:

> > (Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)
> >
> > http://conspiracyjfkforum.com/Thread-Proof-that-the-SBT-is-Sheer-Nonsense
>
> What is Dr Gregory`s training in pathology or wound ballistics?

Try reading his testimony... you'll find that you can't attack his expertise. (without lying, that is...)

Bud

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Jan 30, 2017, 4:18:45 PM1/30/17
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On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 9:04:55 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 5:02:04 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 7:38:50 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.
> > >
> > > 1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.
> > >
> > > 2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.
> > >
> > > 3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.
> > >
> > > 4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.
> > >
> > > 5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.
> > >
> > > It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...
> > >
> > > But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...
> >
> > How does a bullet entering the back of Connally`s wrist and exiting the palm side harm the SBT?
>
> Answer immediately below:

No answer to be found below.

> > > (Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)
> > >
> > > http://conspiracyjfkforum.com/Thread-Proof-that-the-SBT-is-Sheer-Nonsense
> >
> > What is Dr Gregory`s training in pathology or wound ballistics?
>
> Try reading his testimony... you'll find that you can't attack his expertise. (without lying, that is...)

I didn`t attack it, I questioned it. What is his expertise in the relevant fields?


Ben Holmes

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Jan 30, 2017, 5:23:13 PM1/30/17
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On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 1:18:45 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 9:04:55 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 5:02:04 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 7:38:50 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.
> > > >
> > > > 1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.
> > > >
> > > > 4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.
> > > >
> > > > 5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.
> > > >
> > > > It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...
> > > >
> > > > But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...
> > >
> > > How does a bullet entering the back of Connally`s wrist and exiting the palm side harm the SBT?
> >
> > Answer immediately below:
>
> No answer to be found below.
>
> > > > (Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

If you can't understand how a bullet entering the BACK of Connally's wrist harms the SBT, then you don't understand the topic.

Precisely as I predicted.

You lose!!!

Bud

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Jan 30, 2017, 5:36:10 PM1/30/17
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The usual bluff and bluster followed by the usual running.

Ben Holmes

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Jan 30, 2017, 5:54:13 PM1/30/17
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You can't understand, and the PROOF of that is the fact that you won't explain it in this public forum.

So yes, just as I predicted. Davy Von Molester refuses to address the issue, and you pretend ignorance of it.

You can run, "Bud" - but you can't appear intelligent in a public forum!


> > Precisely as I predicted.
> >
> > You lose!!!

No running on my part at all - simply publicly state that you don't understand, and I'll be more than happy to go into more detail.

But you're afraid of that happening, aren't you "Bud?"

Bud

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Jan 30, 2017, 6:06:17 PM1/30/17
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On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 5:54:13 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 2:36:10 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> > On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 5:23:13 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 1:18:45 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 9:04:55 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 5:02:04 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 7:38:50 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How does a bullet entering the back of Connally`s wrist and exiting the palm side harm the SBT?
> > > > >
> > > > > Answer immediately below:
> > > >
> > > > No answer to be found below.
> > > >
> > > > > > > (Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)
> > >
> > > If you can't understand how a bullet entering the BACK of Connally's wrist harms the SBT, then you don't understand the topic.
> >
> > The usual bluff and bluster followed by the usual running.
>
>
> You can't understand, and the PROOF of that is the fact that you won't explain it in this public forum.

Why are you constantly trying to shift the burden?

> So yes, just as I predicted. Davy Von Molester refuses to address the issue, and you pretend ignorance of it.
>
> You can run, "Bud" - but you can't appear intelligent in a public forum!
>
>
> > > Precisely as I predicted.
> > >
> > > You lose!!!
>
> No running on my part at all - simply publicly state that you don't understand, and I'll be more than happy to go into more detail.

I asked you to explain your position. Either you will or you won`t.

Ben Holmes

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Jan 30, 2017, 6:12:49 PM1/30/17
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On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 3:06:17 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 5:54:13 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 2:36:10 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 5:23:13 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 1:18:45 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 9:04:55 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 5:02:04 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 7:38:50 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > > Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How does a bullet entering the back of Connally`s wrist and exiting the palm side harm the SBT?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Answer immediately below:
> > > > >
> > > > > No answer to be found below.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > (Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)
> > > >
> > > > If you can't understand how a bullet entering the BACK of Connally's wrist harms the SBT, then you don't understand the topic.
> > >
> > > The usual bluff and bluster followed by the usual running.
> >
> > You can't understand, and the PROOF of that is the fact that you won't explain it in this public forum.
>
> Why are you constantly trying to shift the burden?

I predicted either silence or feigned ignorance.

You're demonstrating feigned ignorance, but when challenged to make it specific, you run.

IT'S **YOUR** BURDEN TO PROVE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND.

There's no "shifting" involved...



> > So yes, just as I predicted. Davy Von Molester refuses to address the issue, and you pretend ignorance of it.
> >
> > You can run, "Bud" - but you can't appear intelligent in a public forum!
> >
> >
> > > > Precisely as I predicted.
> > > >
> > > > You lose!!!
> >
> > No running on my part at all - simply publicly state that you don't understand, and I'll be more than happy to go into more detail.
>
> I asked you to explain your position. Either you will or you won`t.

I told you I will as soon as you publicly state that you don't understand the topic I raised.

Keep running, coward!!!


> > But you're afraid of that happening, aren't you "Bud?"

Clearly...

Bud

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Jan 30, 2017, 6:38:46 PM1/30/17
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I have no such burden. You started a post with a premise. It was filled with empty claims. I asked you about some of them. Either you will explain them or you won`t.

> There's no "shifting" involved...
>
>
>
> > > So yes, just as I predicted. Davy Von Molester refuses to address the issue, and you pretend ignorance of it.
> > >
> > > You can run, "Bud" - but you can't appear intelligent in a public forum!
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Precisely as I predicted.
> > > > >
> > > > > You lose!!!
> > >
> > > No running on my part at all - simply publicly state that you don't understand, and I'll be more than happy to go into more detail.
> >
> > I asked you to explain your position. Either you will or you won`t.
>
> I told you I will as soon as you publicly state that you don't understand the topic I raised.

That is not how it works. Again you don`t understand the process. You started a post to advance an idea. I asked you questions relating to the ideas you expressed. Either you will answer them or you won`t.

> Keep running, coward!!!
>
>
> > > But you're afraid of that happening, aren't you "Bud?"
>
> Clearly...

If you are afraid to have your ideas questioned don`t post them.

Ben Holmes

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Jan 30, 2017, 6:43:40 PM1/30/17
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Yep. It most certainly is.

Run coward... RUN!!!

Bud

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Jan 30, 2017, 7:06:45 PM1/30/17
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A retard might think that. Any reasonable and rational person knows that when someone sets out to advance an idea it is up to them to support it and answer questions pertaining to it. There can be only one reason your premise can`t stand scrutiny. It sucks.


> Run coward... RUN!!!

Ben Holmes

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Jan 30, 2017, 7:10:39 PM1/30/17
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If this were true, there'd be no reason for you to not publicly state that you don't understand the issue.

The reason you run is because you know that *YOU* can't refute the obvious.


> > Run coward... RUN!!!

Bud

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Jan 30, 2017, 7:21:33 PM1/30/17
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Your premise, your ideas, yet you don`t seem to be able to support them or answer questions about them. What does that tell the lurkers about the strength of them?

>
> > > Run coward... RUN!!!

Ben Holmes

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Jan 30, 2017, 7:37:26 PM1/30/17
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On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 4:21:33 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:

Here it is again, completely unrefuted (or even address) by any believer in this forum:

Dr. Gregory worked on Connally's wrist, and gave five reasons that the bullet that went through Connally's wrist did so from the outside to the palm side.

1. The general ragged appearance of the dorsal wound is typical of an entrance wound.

2. Bits of thread and cloth were carried into the wound on the dorsal side and these corresponded with a tear in the jacket sleeve.

3. Two or three fragments were shed after the bullet had hit the radius. The three fragments taken from the wrist were more volar and caused by the radius flaking them off.

4. The distortion of the soft tissues shows the pathway to be dorsal to volar.

5. Air in the wound is more visible on the dorsal side of the X-ray which is typical of entrance wound.

It's not a surprise that believers absolutely REFUSE to debate this issue, or to explain it away...

But it demonstrates that the SBT is just a bunch of hooey...

(Watch as believers assert that they can't understand this, or simply refuse to answer...)

http://conspiracyjfkforum.com/Thread-Proof-that-the-SBT-is-Sheer-Nonsense

Bud

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Jan 30, 2017, 7:53:13 PM1/30/17
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On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 7:37:26 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 4:21:33 PM UTC-8, Bud wrote:
>
> Here it is again, completely unrefuted (or even address) by any believer in this forum:

Fringe reset. If you are too afraid to support your ideas or answer questions about them why are you bothering to post them?

When you become man enough to actually engage on the ideas you are presenting let me know.
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