JFK Assassination Forum Archives -- Misc. Topics Of Interest (Part 157)

Jim DiEugenio wants to pretend that the ARRB released documents that
totally shatter to bits the lone-assassin conclusion reached by the
Warren Commission.

But WHICH documents did this shattering?

In other words, WHERE is the "smoking gun" amongst the stuff released
by the Assassination Records Review Board?

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"Three things are very clear: First, after an unprecedented and
historic four-year scavenger hunt by the ARRB for all documents
“reasonably related” to the assassination, no smoking gun or even a
smoldering ember of conspiracy was found. The reason is that no such
smoking gun or ember ever existed. Second, if it did exist, it would
never have been left in any file for discovery. And finally,
assassination researchers and conspiracy theorists will never be
satisfied, not even when the cows come home." -- Vincent Bugliosi;
Page 149 of "Reclaiming History" (Endnotes)

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http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/anna-nelson-of-arrb-october-1998.html

David Von Pein

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JIM DiEUGENIO SAID:

>>> "The Kurt F/ DVP thing is not a hoax. I addressed it already." <<<

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

And I totally demolished your theory, here:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bd7fdd29d2392dcd

>>> "Dave: In your world, you "demolish" everything, right. Yep, the guy who doesn't really know Francois Carlier. John McAdams. And Dave Reitzes." <<<

I don't "know" ANY of the three gentlemen you just named. None.
(Unless by "knowing" someone, you're referring to "knowing of them",
i.e., being familiar with their names and their writings on the
Internet.)

But as far as actually personally knowing any of those men--no, I do
not know any of them. And, of course, they do not know me.

Now, call me a liar again, Jimbo. I want to see it in print (again)--
before Kathy Becket makes it "invisible" under the new Education Forum
policy that was implemented just today.

>>> "BTW, although two weeks ago it was not possible to get into DVP's review history at Amazon, today it's easy as pie. Now that is funny. I had no navigation problem at all and I got no message blocking my entry. I wonder why, Davey[?]" <<<

LOL. Jimbo's a riot. He's actually suggesting that I have some kind of
personal control over the Amazon.com navigation process through a
person's Amazon review pages.

It's either the above-mentioned solution, or Jimbo is suggesting
something else that is even more bizarre (but par for the course for a
"Nothing Is What It Seems To Be" conspiracy theorist like Jimmy
DiEugenio) -- i.e., he's implying that I was so concerned about Jimbo
and others finding out about some so-called "alias" I have been using
for my Amazon reviews, that I got rid of Page 30 of my Amazon review
files two weeks ago, but now I've somehow turned Page 30 back on and
made it easily accessible again to everyone. (But I can't quite figure
out WHY I'd suddenly NOT CARE anymore about the thing I DID care about
just 14 days ago. Weird, huh?)

BTW, I just now tried to access my 30th review page and (as usual) I
got the "unavailable" message (using the Firefox browser).

But Page 30 (and all others) were always there--two weeks ago and
today. But I love to hear conspiracy mongers like Jim make something
out of nothing. And right on the heels of Bob Morrow's "alias"
hilarity earlier in the day. That stack of pre-Xmas gifts is getter
higher and higher. Thanks, Jimbo.

David Von Pein

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ROBERT MORROW SAID:

>>> "Here is an offer: I will mail $100 to the first person who can find a record of S.V. Anderson and DAVID VON PEIN being in the SAME thread (JFK thread or ANY thread) at Amazon with those posts being dated BEFORE 12/8/2010. Got that? Find me at Amazon S.V. Anderson (and his imaginary little friends) and DAVID VON PEIN in the SAME THREAD before 12/8/2010." <<<

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

That's quite easy, Bob. It took me just a few minutes to find two
examples from 2007 (among several others that I'm sure are there at
Amazon too), one of which Morrow even participated in HIMSELF! How's
that for irony?:

http://Amazon.com/Message-Patricia-Lambert-apology-Bugliosi/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/TxR9QNQTFC20JF/1/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdMsgNo=19&asin=0393045250&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=MxUXC5WYB4FNVT#MxUXC5WYB4FNVT

http://Amazon.com/review/RGRCBK36ARK7K/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0393045250#wasThisHelpful

I'm not quite sure why this is a big deal to Bob. You know what he's
going to say now, don't you? He's obviously going to say that the
single "fake" poster (either Anderson or I) merely posted in the same
thread under two different accounts.

But, anyway, I'll take my $100 in cash, if you don't mind. (Twenties
will be fine.)

(I can now envision Bob "LBJ WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11, WATERGATE, THE
HOLOCAUST, AND THE 1974 SUPER OUTBREAK OF TORNADOES IN THE MIDWEST"
Morrow wrestling with this question: WHO should I mail the $100 to--
Von Pein or Anderson?)

David Von Pein

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SUPER-KOOK ROBERT "LYNDON JOHNSON DOWNED TWA FLIGHT 800" MORROW SAID:

>>> "From S.V. Anderson's Review of Reclaiming History (which by the way DAVID VON PEIN *ALSO* reviewed at Amazon." <<<

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Oh boy! You're really onto something there, Morrow! Steve and I both
reviewed something on Amazon--i.e., a place where THOUSANDS of people
review the same items daily! Great work, Bobby!

Bob "LBJ SUNK THE TITANIC IN 1912" Morrow will next be claiming that
Johnny Bench and I are the same person because we were both born in
December.

http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/12/johnny-bench.html

aeffects

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On Dec 9, 3:04 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> ARCHIVED JFK ASSASSINATION FORUM POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 157):
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> ======================================================
>
> "THE KENNEDY DETAIL":http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/2010/12/kennedy-detail.html
>
> DALE MYERS, DON THOMAS, AND THE J.D. TIPPIT MURDER:http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/2010/12/dale-myers-and-don-thomas.html
>
> JOHN McADAMS:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8ea21b3080a7d127
>
> THE EDUCATION FORUM:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ce5695bdf958c5f7
>

> SHERRY FIESTER:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/aec14416f1cb1584http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17062&st=0&p=21...
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> WILLIAM WHALEY:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b69bc4aea25cc948
>
> KOOK TIME!:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e33d63f63f4d0233http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/736160ab90d1a4d6http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8a946d972fed475c

>
> KOOK TIME (AGAIN):http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6d691384b484ee7a
>

> MORE POSTS:http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17058&st=15&p=2...http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17058&st=30&p=2...http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17058&st=30&p=2...http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d8961247068a670dhttp://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17062&st=15&p=2...http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17062&st=15&p=2...http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17062&st=15&p=2...http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17066&st=15&p=2...http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17062&st=45&p=2...
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my-oh-my, David Von Pein, when do you find the time to clog customers
arteries with that greasy assed chicken you foist on the American
public? There are drugs for your obsessive-compulsive disorder ya
know.... ya gotta problem deary!

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SUPER-KOOK JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:

>>> "Two weeks ago, you could not get into his [DVP's] review history [at Amazon.com] at all. Period. No matter how hard you tried. And it was not just me. Others tried also. Today, you click his name and Presto! You are in. Just a techie problem, right Dave? Sure. Keep on trucking." <<<

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

[DiEugenio's a fucking nutcase, folks. Without question.]

Of course it's a technical problem, Jimbo. I've told you that before.
(Naturally, I'm a liar, right?)

For the Dec. 10 record: I just now (at 11:11 PM EST) tried to access
Page 10 of my review area, and (as always) received this message:

"We're sorry, but this customer's list of reviews is currently not
available. Please check back soon."

I want any lurkers to (again) realize what Jim D. is saying here (and
it's a riot, without doubt):

Jimbo is actually saying that I somehow have total control over what
other people can access (and WHEN they can access it) on the
Amazon.com website (specifically: a person's personal review pages).

Jimbo is a real piece of work. I love watching him figure things out
in his conspiracy-infested mind. A whole season of "Leave It To
Beaver" couldn't be as funny as Jimbo trying to figure out why he
couldn't access my Amazon pages two weeks ago, but can now.

BTW, I do not "know" David Reitzes. Or John McAdams. Anyone who
continues to say I PERSONALLY "know" these people doesn't have the
slightest idea what they are blabbering about.

>>> "Below is some more info from another of my informants [LOL] about Davey that questions his credibility: DVP posted this today. One of the posters made the accusation that DVP, McAdams, and the rest of them are all friends and know each other. [Quoting DVP:] "I don't "know" ANY of the three gentlemen you just named. None. (Unless by "knowing" someone, you're referring to "knowing of them", i.e., being familiar with their names and their writings on the Internet.) But as far as actually personally knowing any of those men--no, I do not know any of them. And, of course, they do not know me. Now, call me a liar again, Jimbo. I want to see it in print (again)--before Kathy Becket makes it "invisible" under the new Forum policy implemented just today." [End DVP Quote] .... This is simply not the case. DVP and Dave Reitzes were clearly heavily involved in drumming up attention (mostly negative) for both the Rossley and DiEugenio debates, and PARTICULARLY on the IMDB website. The two practically lived there. They would communicate between each other -- specifically -- on the threads; they would post simultaneously; the names of the posters were clearly visible: "DVP" and "Dave Reitzes"; both had "terminal stage fright" and refused to show their mugs at that time. So, in other words, contrary to what he wants you to believe, DVP and his allies do cooperate in efforts to promote their cause on the web. I don't know why it's so hard for him to admit this clear fact." <<<

[DiEugenio is turning into a mental case, folks. That's becoming more
obvious with each passing ridiculous post he makes at John Simkin's
Education Forum.]

You are completely delusional, Jimbo.

Dave Reitzes never once said he had "terminal stage fright". I did say
that once, yes. But now you (or your silly "informant") is also
putting that EXACT quote into Dave Reitzes' mouth. And he never said
it.

And I just love how the CTers are now going to tell ME who I "know"
and who I don't "know".

The comedy never stops at The Education/Conspiracy Forum. These kooks
probably ought to have their keyboards confiscated. In the hands of a
nutcase like DiEugenio, a keyboard is mighty dangerous.

David Von Pein

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JIM DiEUGENIO SAID:

>>> "You got caught. Fess up. Be honest." <<<

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

At What?

>>> "I won't say it since it may be rendered invisible. But you know what I mean. My informant just proved it. Why do you say things like this in the first place anyway? While knowing there is proof out there to debunk it." <<<

I have no idea what you're babbling about, Jimbo.

I guess your silly line of reasoning is this:

Since Dave Reitzes and I conversed back and forth on IMDb.com once
upon a time, we apparently were "joining forces" (in kind of a
"conspiratorial" fashion) to try and silence all critics of the LN
scenario.

Is that about it (or some variation thereof), Jimbo?

Even if that were true, so what?

But that type of "joining forces" thing is not true in my case. I have
never once engaged in that kind of thing on the Internet re the JFK
case. My posts are my own, and nobody has any control over them
whatsoever. Including John McAdams, who is a person that DiEugenio
laughably thinks controls everything I write at acj and aaj.

By the by, is there anything new and earthshaking coming in from your
"informants" (Agents 86 and 99) about my being "Kurt Ferrer"?
Hopefully your informants haven't stopped searching the globe for
proof that I'm using multiple aliases. After all, such an exercise is
vitally important to the global economic picture.

David Von Pein

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JIM DiEUGENIO SAID [IN AN EDUCATION FORUM THREAD ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF
THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY]:

>>> "We are all waiting with baited breath Martin, or Mark. Or at least DVP is." <<<

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

I don't need to see anything else relating to the SBT to convince me
that it's true. I've known for quite some time that the SBT is quite
obviously the correct scenario. And (deep down) I'm pretty sure most
conspiracy believers do, too.

The conspiracy kooks can't really believe that two bullets (yes, TWO!)
just stopped dead in their tracks after entering JFK's upper back and
throat. That type of crazy belief is much, much sillier than anything
Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania ever purported.

Fellow LNer "Bud" said it very well when he humorously said:

"The assassins choose bullets that inflict non-lethal, 1-inch-
deep wounds? Instead of feeding JFK to lions, they decided to nibble
him to death by ducks?" -- Bud; April 1, 2006

http://Single-Bullet-Theory.blogspot.com

http://Quoting-Common-Sense.blogspot.com

David Von Pein

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Subject: The Kennedy Detail
Date: 12/13/2010 3:06:23 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: David Von Pein
To: Gary Mack

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Hi Gary,

I just finished watching an encore presentation on C-Span2 of the
program you hosted at The Sixth Floor Museum featuring Gerald Blaine,
Clint Hill, and Lisa McCubbin.

And I just wanted to drop you this note to say how much I enjoyed the
program. I wish it could have lasted another hour.

One of the best parts of the interview was when you destroyed the
longstanding myth about the "open windows", with Mr. Blaine and Mr.
Hill saying that there were no strict policies in place in 1963 that
would have allowed the Secret Service to have seen to it that every
last window was closed in Dallas on November 22nd. It just was not
possible. And I'm glad you asked them that question (among other good
ones too).

Thank you. And Happy Holidays.

David Von Pein

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Subject: RE: The Kennedy Detail
Date: 12/13/2010 5:16:18 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Gary Mack
To: David Von Pein

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Thanks very much, Dave, your thoughts are appreciated. My favorite
was the limo speed and the turn, but the window story was also near
the top. I tried to answer the questions that researchers wanted that
were not either in the book or on the [Discovery Channel] TV show.

Gary

==================================================

The one-hour program from The Sixth Floor Museum is now available to
watch online:

http://booktv.org/Watch/12061/The+Kennedy+Detail+JFKs+Secret+Service+Agents+Break+Their+Silence.aspx

David Von Pein

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RE: KENNETH P. O'DONNELL:

When we look at exactly what Kenny O'Donnell told the Warren
Commission, we can see that O'Donnell's testimony is not really as cut-
and-dry as some people might want to believe, with O'Donnell stating
that his determination for thinking all three shots had come from his
right rear was "in part" a "reconstruction".

And, yes, he said he heard THREE shots exactly, with a bigger gap
between shots 2 and 3, btw:

KENNY O'DONNELL -- "The first two came almost simultaneously, came one
right after the other, there was a slight hesitation, then the third
one."

O'Donnell seemed to be relying in part on what other people around him
were reacting to, such as some of the Secret Service agents turning
around to look to their right rear after the shooting started.

Yes, if O'Donnell really did think he heard at least one shot coming
from the front, he should have told that to Arlen Specter in the below
testimony, but when re-examining his testimony, it isn't quite as
clear-cut as one might think:

Mr. SPECTER. And what was your reaction as to the source of the shots,
if you had one?

Mr. O'DONNELL. My reaction in part is reconstruction---is that they
came from the right rear. That would be my best judgment.

Mr. SPECTER. Was there any reaction by any of the other people around
in any specific direction?

Mr. O'DONNELL. The agents all turned to the rear. I would think,
watching the reaction of the President when the shot--the first shot
hit--that it would be automatic it would have to have come from the
rear. I think any experienced agent would make that assumption
immediately.

Mr. SPECTER. And was the reaction of the agents which you have
referred to as coming from the rear, to the right rear or to the left
rear?

Mr. O'DONNELL. The reaction I note would be right rear. And, again,
looking at the manner of the President's movement, I would think you
would have to feel the thrust of the shot was from the right rear.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/odonnell.htm

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>>> "A car horn signals both Oswald's entrance and then his proximity to Ruby. Captain Fritz pretends he didn't even hear the gun go off." <<<

LOL. Yeah, a few weeks or months ago, super-kook James DiEugenio was
saying the same stupid thing on Conspiracy Retard Radio (aka: Black Op
Radio) about Captain Fritz' supposedly slow reaction to the shooting
of Oswald and the two horn honks which were allegedly some kind of
signal for Jack Ruby to shoot Oswald -- as if Jack needed a "signal"
to know when to lunge forward and plug LHO.

I guess this crackpottery about Fritz and the horn-honking is similar
in nature to the way some of the conspiracy-happy nutjobs think there
was a need for a guy to open up his umbrella in Dealey Plaza to serve
as a "signal" to the gunmen. Hilarious.

What the kooks are saying regarding Fritz is this: Since Fritz didn't
react instantly and with Olympic-like reflexes to the sound of the
gunshot fired by Ruby, this somehow means that Fritz was "in" on some
kind of plot that permitted Ruby to murder the Dallas Police
Department's famous prisoner.

It's so ridiculous that even most conspiracy theorists should be
embarrassed to propose such silliness about Captain Fritz setting
Oswald up for the kill. But, amazingly, some conspiracists don't get
the least bit red in the face when typing out such nonsense on
Internet forums (or talking about it on Retard Radio networks).

David Von Pein

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>>> "You haven't seen the footage in question (Evidence of Revision Part 1, at the 1 hour 9 minute mark)." <<<

You don't have the slightest idea what you're babbling about.

For some reason, you just assume I haven't even seen Part 1 of the
conspiracy propaganda trash piece known as "Evidence Of Revision",
which is dead wrong. I have seen it. Here's my review of it:

http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/evidence-of-revision.html

But even if I had not seen the "EoR" program, I still would be able to
say that I've seen the footage of Will Fritz that you foolishly think
is a key indicator of Captain Fritz' involvement in a conspiracy to
rub out Oswald. I've had that footage on my JFK YouTube channels and
blogs for quite some time (second video from the top at the webpage
below, at the 4-minute mark):

http://Oswald-Has-Been-Shot.blogspot.com

The raw KRLD videotape of Oswald's murder with the same Fritz footage
has also been available to view for years at the KDFW-TV/FOX 4 site,
here:

http://media2.myfoxdfw.com/html/JFKvideo/video/jfk021.html

In summary: Anyone who thinks that Captain Fritz' reactions in those
videos above are in ANY way "sinister" or "shady" or "conspiratorial"
in some fashion should immediately check themselves into the "Hospital
For Conspiracy Mental Cases" (James H. Fetzer, Administrator).

David Von Pein

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>>> "I meant to credit DVP for posting these videos [of the 1967 CBS-TV "Warren Report" special] on YouTube. I want to correct that oversight." <<<

Thanks, BigDog. But I feel the need to apologize for the awful picture
quality that exists in my 9-part YouTube series for that 1967 CBS
special ("A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report").

But even with the poor video quality, I felt that the CBS program was
so good that I still wanted to include it as part of my JFK channel on
YouTube.

I've been searching for years for a good-quality color copy of that
program that I can include on my JFK video channel, but unfortunately
I haven't been able to acquire a useable color copy that I can
transfer to YouTube.

Earlier this year, Mike Williams was kind enough to make me two
separate DVD-R copies of the whole 4-part color CBS program, but
neither version he sent me could be imported into my video editor.
There was some kind of technical glitch on all of the discs he sent
me. So I was unable to put them on my channel.

If anybody wants to watch the whole program, you can visit Mike
Williams' channel on YouTube. He has put the entire CBS special on his
channel--in good quality too. Here's the link:

http://YouTube.com/user/JFKBallistics#g/u

Since this subject has come up:

If anybody else has a good color copy of the CBS '67 special that they
could share via a service like RapidShare or MegaUpload (etc.), I'd
very much like to hear about it. Because I want to some day include
the whole program in my video collection.

Thanks.

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