THE "THOUGHT POLICE" AND "DAVE #34"
David Von Pein
VIA E-MAIL, MICHAEL LUCAS SAID:
I have been searching for the enhanced photograph that Robert Groden
produced which he claims is 2 to 4 times as clear as any printed from
the original negative of the TSBD Doorway Man. Have you ever seen it
and can you send me a link to it? Why is this photograph which is so
decisive regarding LHO so difficult to find?
I can find a picture of Paris Hilton's vagina with 5 clicks of a mouse
but what I really want to see, clear proof that Billy Nolan Lovelady
is standing on the TSBD steps with his shirt unbuttoned to his waist,
does not exist on the Internet.
To my eyes the Doorway Man's face is 70% Lovelady and 30% Oswald but
the shirt is 100% LHO until I see that enhanced Groden photograph.
Can you direct me to any site where the photo is posted or to any book
in which it is published? I remain a Doubting Thomas and will continue
to believe that "the clothes make the man" until I see that photo! Can
you help me out on this Dave? Thanks.
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DVP THEN REPLIED:
Hello Michael Lucas,
I'm not really sure why anyone actually needs any additional proof
that "Doorway Man" is Billy Lovelady, seeing as how Lovelady HIMSELF
verified that fact beyond all doubt in 1964 when he took a pencil and
drew an arrow to himself (aka "Doorway Man") in the Altgens
photograph. (And Wesley Frazier verified that Doorway Man is Lovelady
as well.)
But, anyhow, I have a pretty good-quality copy of the Altgens picture
saved on my computer (and uploaded to my "Reclaiming History" Google
Groups newsgroup), and here it is:
I have no idea whether this is the "Groden version" you are seeking or
not. I doubt very much that it is, because Lovelady's shirt is not
very distinct and clear at all after the picture is enlarged to full
size. But, that's the best version I've got.
Now, let's talk about Paris Hilton's vagina a little more. That
subject sounds utterly fascinating (and cavernous)!
~grin~
Regards,
David Von Pein
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MICHAEL LUCAS THEN REPLIED:
Robert Groden's contrast-enhanced Doorway Man is thrown up as the
clincher in the Oswald vs Lovelady debate. That is why I want to see
it. ....
If the Altgens link you sent is the best copy of the Doorway Man that
you've seen then all I can say to you is what Bachman Turner Overdrive
said in one of their songs....."B-B-B-Baby you ain't seen nothing
yet."
Seeing that photograph would help both of us. It could dispel my
reasonable doubt or it could dispel your reasonable credulity. We both
need to see it. It would be greatly appreciated if you would track it
down and send me a link.
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DVP THEN SAID:
Mike,
All you have to do is get ahold of Groden's 1993 book, "The Killing Of
A President". The Doorway Man blow-up is on Page 186 of that
publication.
Maybe if you search for the right keywords, you can find it online.
But, to tell the truth, Groden's "enhanced" blow-up on Page 186 of
TKOAP doesn't look very much better than the super-sized Altgens pic I
mailed you previously.
~shrug~
www.The-Killing-Of-A-President.blogspot.com
Note -- The photo isn't at the link above. I'm just linking to my blog
because I'm a shameless, self-promoting, CIA-employed Warren
Commission shill.*
* = At least that's what I'm usually called by conspiracy-happy kooks
on the Internet. :)
Be cool,
DVP
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MICHAEL LUCAS THEN SAID:
Dave, I was dissappointed by your last mail, no reference having been
made to Miss Hilton's private parts. Are you bored with Paris? We
could switch to one of my favorites, Kate Beckinsale, if you'd like.
Kate actually has a brain in good working order to go with her female
bits and pieces. ....
A careful look at the best available Doorway Man can still, at this
late date, turn over someone's applecart. That is my only remaining
uncertainty regarding the JFK assassination.
There was no conspiracy, I'm with you regarding the kooks, but if LHO
was on the steps he was not in the sniper's window. Page 186 has been
on my desk and on my mind for at least 5 years.
I purchased a computer and learned to search the Net solely to resolve
to my own satisfaction the identity of the Doorway Man. Once I have
made a decision regarding that man that I can feel comfortable with, I
will spend the rest of my life searching for a woman, in some doorway
somewhere, that I can feel comfortable with. So, with the clock
ticking, I will continue my search regarding Oswald vs Lovelady.
Page 186 in TKOAP is definitely not contrast-enhanced. I spent $60
five years ago to purchase an AP print hoping it would be better than
the blowup shown of Bill-Lee. They are the same.
The wording by Groden has always made me wonder why his improved
version was not in his book. If you have it, flaunt it. Paris flaunts
what every woman has to turn a profit; why doesn't Groden flaunt this
decisive piece of evidence which only he possesses? It doesn't add up.
It supposedly closes the book on Bill-Lee, it's mentioned on many web
pages, but is nowhere to be found on the Internet.
I have other versions that are significantly better in blowup form
that provide details that turn the tide in Lee's favor. Details that
not even the people who gave me the photos are aware of. It is new
evidence, yes I am serious, new evidence after all these years. But
how can I be sure I'm not seeing doctored photos? There is always that
for independent researchers to deal with.
Groden's work was done for the House and thereby gains validity. I
suspect that what I have is a hijacked copy of his contrast-enhanced
photo printed from the Altgens original negative. That is why my focus
at this time is exclusively to find a verifiable copy of his picture.
Thanks for being up-front about your CIA status. I've been wanting an
intermediary, you could serve nicely when the time comes to deal with
them. How is Mrs. Paine these days? Alive and well, I hope. Say hello
to her for me..as one patriot to another.
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DVP THEN SAID:
If LHO had been on the steps -- HE WOULD HAVE UTILIZED THAT AS HIS
ALIBI.
Instead, he said he was INSIDE the building when the shooting took
place. And we don't need to rely on the DPD for LHO's "I was inside"
alibi either....because we have the famous "Patsy" statement, wherein
Lee tells the world on live TV that he was "inside" the building at
12:30.
Of course, the "patsy" statement has been mangled by the conspiracy
retards for 45 years (as always). Lee was aiming his "patsy" remark at
the DPD only, and not some unknown group of "Mob" or "CIA" plotters
who were framing him. That's obvious when the entire statement is
heard:
For 28 additional years worth of JFK reading (and video-watching), go
here:
Regards to both you and Paris H.,
DVP
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MICHAEL LUCAS' NEXT COMMENTS WERE THESE VERY CURIOUS ONES:
"DAVE",
Talking to you is like talking to a computer. A script is being
followed. You do not deviate from it. I feel like Hal in the movie
2001 A Space Odyssey except I am real and you "DAVE" are the robot.
Goodbye "DAVE"
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DVP THEN REPLIED WITH:
What a very odd thing to say, "MIKE".
I guess this must mean you think that I talk about Paris Hilton's
vagina in all of my "scripted" correspondence, huh?
Your last mail was a real shoulder-shrugger. (And a howl, to boot.)
Bye, "MIKE"
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MICHAEL LUCAS SAID:
Dave,
One parting word deserves another, good buddy. When Lee said he was
"inside" the building he accurately described where he was. In some
buildings the front entrance stairs are external to the facade. In the
TSBD the entrance stairs are internal to the facade. On any step but
the lowest one, a person standing on the entrance stairs is "inside"
the building.
I realize that because you are an expert and know something about
every aspect of the assassination that this does not mean you know
every detail of every piece of the JFK puzzle. My son, who is an
architect, agrees that the TSBD entrance space can properly be
referred to as "inside".
I know enough about the Big Picture to realize that fighting City Hall
is a losing battle for any Lone Citizen. All I want to do is ascertain
to the best of my ability the identity of the Doorway Man. The Groden
picture is an extremely important piece of evidence. I would like to
see it. There is little else that I need to know.
I contacted you because I visit your site from time to time and see
your name mentioned often at other sites. I have read, by you, that
for all his faults Robert Groden has nailed the lid down on the pesky
Doorway issue. I assumed your opinion was based on viewing his
contrast-enhanced picture. But now I find that you've never seen it!
To me this is extraordinary.
A researcher with your obvious talent, resources, and footprint should
not be commenting on evidence you have not seen, and the fact that you
cannot put your hands on that picture and direct other researchers
with fewer resources to it tells me there is something lacking or a
hidden agenda in your efforts.
I cannot understand that you yourself would not have a passion to see
that picture. Why would you believe what Groden says when he hides his
work in his desk drawer? Bring that picture out and show it to the
Kooks!
Do you believe Groden because he is saying what you want to hear? What
does that say about you? But that's the picture I'm left with and it
is not the one I wanted or needed when I came to your door.
Do we have anything else to talk about? I doubt it but I'll leave that
up to you.
Adios amigo.
Michael
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DVP FOLLOWED WITH:
I don't recall having ever said that Groden "nailed the lid down on
the pesky Doorway issue". Can you please provide the link to the
Internet post where I said anything even remotely close to that?
Because I sure don't remember it.
And you're really stretching a point to the max if you want to say
that the Doorway Man position on the steps of the TSBD is "inside the
building". That's a bit silly, because the TSBD steps are certainly
not considered to be "inside" the actual building.
But the most "extraordinary" thing about your mail prior to your most-
recent one was when you said I was, in effect, a broken record and
operating from a "script".
Especially in light of the fact that I've only been conversing with
you electronically for two days or so, spanning four e-mails
exchanges, with no repetition in commentary at all that I could see.
(You must be transferring, in your mind, some of my on-the-Internet
posts to our private mail sessions.)
~shrug~
Anyway, I'm more than happy to shoot the breeze with you (re: vaginas
or otherwise), but the "script" and "hidden agenda" comments coming
from your keyboard have irked me slightly....mainly because they are
both utterly inaccurate comments.
DVP
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MICHAEL LUCAS THEN BEGINS TO FANTASIZE AS FOLLOWS:
I'm an old man sitting here watching Kate Beckinsale in Cold Comfort
Farm. I can't imagine that you are sitting somewhere doing next to
nothing, like me, waiting for your inbox to light up.
The picture I form of you is in a large office space filled with
cubicles in which Dave # 34 is trying to straighten out the mind of
Warren Commission Critic #45,776 aka Michael Lucas.
It's more like a scene in George Orwell's 1984 than anything else. The
one where Winston sits in his cubicle reclaiming history on a day to
day basis to suit the needs of the Party. But Winston is a rebel. I
sense no rebellion in you, only a bitterness against kooks and retards
who dare to challenge the powers that be. How dare they!
But it is a programed bitterness. A functional bitterness. An agenda
driven artificial bitterness, much the way a receptionist is programed
to be courteous, you, Dave # 34, have been trained to stamp out crime-
think. You are with the Thought Police.
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DVP THEN REPLIED:
The above batch of nonsense gushed forth by a Mr. Michael Lucas in
late July of 2009 just goes to show (once again) how incorrect a
person can be.
Sorry to disappoint you (again), Michael. No "cubicle" here. Just a
simple Dell PC desktop machine with 149 GB of hard-drive space in my
rural home in the middle of Indiana.
And operating that Dell machine and keyboard is an irrelevant 47-year-
old person (that's me) with virtually no life (nor does he have any
real desire for one, sad to say) who has decided that living in the
'60s and talking continuously about the assassination of the 35th U.S.
President is more comfortable and rewarding than dealing with very
much day-to-day stuff that's happening in the year 2009 AD.
Maybe a little bit of "2009" seeps in every now and then, but I don't
need much of it, that's for sure. For example, I don't have the
slightest idea who Kate Beckinsale is. And I'm not racing to Wikipedia
to find out either.
1963 is much more appealing to me, even though one of the worst
tragedies in our nation's history took place at the tail-end of that
calendar year. But, overall, the 1960s beat the living daylights out
of every other decade....in every way I can think of. Including the
fetching Laura Petrie (aka: Mary Tyler Moore):
www.triviatribute.com/images4/marytylermoore8.jpg
www.Dick-Van-Dyke-Show.blogspot.com
That's not to say I relish the many tragic events that occurred in the
1960s. That's not what I meant to convey via the above paragraph at
all, Michael. But there's something about the '60s that is forever
attractive to this "Dave #34". The movies. The television shows. The
people. The aura. The era. And, of course, the Kennedys in the White
House.
Plus, I was born in the '60s (December 27, 1961). I'm a "JFK baby",
born near the end of President Kennedy's first year in office. Maybe
that's why I find the 1960s so alluring. Could be. I don't know.
~shrug~
www.jfklibrary.org/White+House+Diary/1961/December/27.htm?d=27&m=12&y=1961
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MICHAEL LUCAS CONTINUED:
I say this because you divert my simple request for assistance in
contacting Robert Groden to nonsense about what LHO spouted as he was
dragged from place to place 45+ years ago. Groden's work is recent. Is
it above your pay scale to contact the Great Robert Groden? If it is,
what do I need Dave # 34 for?
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DVP SAID:
You never once asked me for help in "contacting Robert Groden". Why
are you now resorting to making things up from whole cloth?
In your first mail to me on July 27, 2009, you asked me this:
"Can you direct me to any site where the photo [Groden's
"enhanced" version of the famous James Altgens picture] is posted or
to any book in which it is published?"
You didn't ask for assistance in "contacting Robert Groden".
Will I next be accused of endorsing the "James Files Did It" theory
too, Michael?
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MICHAEL LUCAS SAID (AS MY BLADDER BEGINS TO SWELL FROM THE HILARITY OF
IT ALL):
I'm not insulting a person. I have no concept of Dave Von Pein as an
individual, only as a pyramid of Daves doing the necessary work of
diverting the public from the single sore point in the assassination
of JFK.
The fact that the assassin is standing "in" the doorway of the
building from which he is shooting. It's the only thing that matters
and you say no self respecting person can think that....you are with
the Thought Police, Dave # 34. What else can I think about you?
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DVP THEN OFFERS UP THIS ADVICE:
Well, for starters, you might want to think that not every single
"Dave" on Planet Earth who regularly posts pro-"LN" messages on the
Web is part of the "Thought Police" and/or controlled by someone (or a
series of evil "someones") in a stuffy white-walled building filled
with "cubicles" from which to spew Government-sponsored "LN"
propaganda.
Yeah, that'd be a nice start for Michael Lucas. Wouldn't you agree?
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MICHAEL LUCAS CONTINUES:
Winston Smith found a picture that revealed the truth about the Party
to him. You are doing everything in your power to keep me from seeing
a picture that will destroy the powers that be. You are a reverse
Winston Smith.
The only thing that will change my mind is if you get that picture for
me...and for you. But you don't want it. Therefore you are not Dave
Von Pein, you are Dave # 34.
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DVP SAID:
If this e-mail of yours gets any more highbrow and esoteric, I'm going
to have to call in the "Allegory Police". And please keep in mind my
very weak bladder, Mike.
(That "bladder" fact is documented in my previous Internet postings.
And you can also check with "Dave #28" down the hall from me in
cubicle #219A. He'll confirm that my bladder is a weak one, and when I
read silliness online, to the restroom I must flee, in a hurry!)
And, come to think of it, after reading your last interesting (but
hilarious) e-mail message.....(I hope nobody's in the toilet!)
Regards (of sorts),
David Von Pein ("Dave #34")
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MICHAEL LUCAS CONCLUDES WITH:
Double-Dave,
I will take one more shot at getting what I am looking for. Whoever
you are behind the webwork associated with the name Dave Von Pein, and
I care not whether you operate as an individual in Timbuktu or from a
team in cubicles at the CIA, can you assist me in obtaining a print of
the photograph by Robert Groden which he claims is 2 to 4 times
clearer than any previously produced from the Altgens original
negative popularly known as the Doorway Man?
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DVP FINISHES UP WITH:
No.
I would have thought that the above "No" answer would be quite obvious
to you after four or five e-mail sessions, Michael.
You actually think that I have access to that photograph (or knowledge
of where the picture can readily be obtained), but I'm REFUSING to
share that information with you? Is that what you think of ol' "Dave
#34"? That's hilarious.
And I'm still perplexed as to why you think I have more "resources"
available to me than any other "researcher" on the Internet.
~huge shrug~
And I'm also perplexed by your thinking that I would have any desire
to personally contact a super-kook named Robert J. "Oswald Didn't
Shoot Anybody" Groden about ANY matter whatsoever....including info
regarding his enhanced Altgens photograph.
??????
I have no doubts myself as to the identity of "Doorway Man" -- it's
obviously Billy Lovelady. Lovelady said so HIMSELF.
You seem to think I SHOULD have serious doubts about the identity of
"Doorway Man". Well, sorry, I have no doubts at all. So why in the
world would I want to contact Groden about it?
Anyway, good luck in your search for the photo you seek.
Here's a link to Bob Groden's website. There's no "contact" link
available there, however. But Groden's new book, "JFK: Absolute
Proof", is supposedly going to be published in a few months, and
Groden has said he will probably be updating his website at that time.
So, perhaps he'll add an e-mail contact link in the future too. You
might want to check it occasionally anyhow:
DVP
"FUNCTIONAL BITTERNESS" GALORE:
www.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com
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