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Jack Ruby And Karen Carlin

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David Von Pein

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Aug 25, 2007, 12:05:07 AM8/25/07
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>>> "This guy {Oswald} doesn't have any say at all as to what he is to wear, he was in police custody for a horrendous crime. He wears what the police tell him to wear, they were stalling." <<<


Is that why Oswald was never seen in prison-like garb at all during
the whole weekend of November 22-24?

The cops didn't seem to care what Oswald was wearing at any time
during the weekend....and that's because Dallas prisoners are only
kept at the Dallas City Jail until (as Chief Curry told the press)
"they are filed on; after they're filed on, they are transferred to
the County {Sheriff's} Jail".

There's also this re. Oswald's last-day wardrobe (from my review of
Vince Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History"):

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"11:10 a.m. {Sunday, November 24}...Fritz realizes that Oswald is only
clad in a T-shirt. "Do you want something to put over your T-shirt?"
he asks. "Yes," Oswald says." -- VB; Page 267 {of "RH"}

DVP: An interesting quote by DPD Captain Will Fritz there. I had
always thought it was Oswald who had asked for the additional
clothing, thus delaying his jail transfer just a little longer. But,
evidently, per Mr. Bugliosi's chronology of quotes above, it was
actually Captain Fritz who initiated the slight "clothing delay".

Well, perhaps that will be something else for conspiracy theorists to
sink their teeth into....as they can now claim (if they haven't
already) that Captain Fritz deliberately delayed Oswald's transfer
until "hit man" Ruby got into position in the basement.

But to think that 30-year police veteran J. Will Fritz was a part of
some kind of conspiracy to "silence" his prisoner is to believe in a
silly fairy tale that would have had Fritz intentionally subjecting
his very own police department to public ridicule for years to come,
due to a Presidential assassin being killed right inside the Captain's
own police station while surrounded by dozens of armed officers.

That's a theory that doesn't sound very realistic to this writer.

On page 1073, Vince tells the flip-side to this clothing tale, with
Oswald being the one who requests the wardrobe adjustment, instead of
Fritz. In an endnote, however, Bugliosi acknowledges the ambiguity of
the situation with the following remarks:

"The recollections of those present are in conflict as to whether
Oswald was asked if he wanted to put something on over his T-shirt or
whether Oswald himself made the request." -- VB; Page 104 of Endnotes"

www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showpost.php?p=3200858

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>>> "Ruby told her {Karen Carlin} to call him Sunday morning and he would go downtown and wire the money." <<<


Yes, but Ruby had NO IDEA what time Carlin would call with the details
of how much money she needed wired. In effect, IT WAS LEFT UP TO KAREN
CARLIN, NOT RUBY.

So, to believe in a plot, you've got to (by necessity) incorporate
Karen Carlin in on the "plot" too. Big time in fact.

But you're right about one thing though. Karen Carlin definitely IS
the "linchpin" to the whole thing. For, if not for Karen, Oswald would
almost certainly have lived to see another day.

Because, sans Carlin's calling Ruby when she did call him, it's highly
doubtful Ruby would have been in that EXACT area of downtown Dallas
near the city jail when he was on the morning of 11/24/63.

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David Von Pein

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Aug 26, 2007, 5:44:03 PM8/26/07
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>>> "Jack Ruby had visited that EXACT area of downtown for two consecutive days. Why not a third?" <<<

So if Ruby HAD, indeed, decided on his own to saunter downtown at
around 11:15 AM (sans a call from Carlin)....how does that equal a
"conspiracy plot"?

Answer: it doesn't.

Within a conspiracy framework where Ruby was hired to "rub out" the
patsy, would Ruby have casually wandered down to the DPD basement a
full 1.25 hours AFTER it was announced the previous night that Oswald
would likely be transferred?

With or without Carlin's call, you've still got a non-premeditated
murder....and not a conspiracy plot.

But a reasonable person examining these timelines would be forced to
conclude that it was Carlin's call that very, very likely placed Jack
Ruby exactly where he ended up being at just the right time to commit
the murder of Lee Oswald.

Such timelines as:

1.) The probable LHO transfer at 10 AM.

2.) Carlin's phone call to Ruby between 10 and 10:30 AM.

3.) Ruby taking his time to shower and dress and drive downtown AFTER
11 AM.

4.) Ruby standing in line at Western Union at a point in time when he
couldn't possibly know for certain if Oswald was still in that City
Jail or not.


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