JFK MISCELLANY
David Von Pein
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>>> "I've still not heard any proof from you that CE399 was ever fired at Kennedy. Rather than posting a screen full of essays, could you just post the proof here?" <<<
OK.....
1.) CE399 is a bullet that came from Lee Oswald's C2766 Mannlicher-
Carcano rifle.
2.) Oswald's C2766 MC rifle was the gun that was being fired at JFK's
car on 11/22/63.
3.) CE399 was found on John Connally's stretcher inside the hospital
where Connally and Kennedy were immediately taken after they were
shot.
4.) Oswald was probably not aiming at Governor Connally (hence, CE399
was a bullet that was "fired at Kennedy").
5.) There's no proof that Bullet CE399 is a "planted" or "switched"
bullet. In fact, to believe that 399 is a fake is simply absurd for a
variety of reasons that I've laid out in my "screen full of essays"
previously.
Conspiracy theorists, naturally, will always latch onto the
EXTRAORDINARY, all the while ignoring the razor in Occam's hands, and
also while ignoring all kinds of common-sense things regarding Bullet
CE399....such as: Why on Earth would any plotters want to PLANT a
bullet from a non-Oswald gun when they apparently were framing only
Oswald?
Nobody
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Seriously David maybe number 1 above. Clear your mind and now think! A
pristine bullet after all that damage Naw! It falls out onto the
stretcher Naw! The odds of yes 10 gozillion to .1 SO NAW!!!! You
might as well say it could NEVER happen.
David Von Pein
>>> "Clear your mind and now think! A pristine bullet after all that damage Naw! It falls out onto the stretcher Naw! The odds of yes 10 gozillion to .1 SO NAW!!!! You might as well say it could NEVER happen." <<<
Why not try actually READING about some of the stuff in this case,
instead of spreading false nonsense about the Single-Bullet Theory and
Bullet CE399?
A good place to start would be John McAdams' "SBT" webpage (esp. a
section near the bottom of the page, where .John shows us a picture of
a MC bullet just like CE399 which broke a human wrist while travelling
at 1100fps, and emerged in perfect condition; and remember that
Connally's wrist injury was certainly the thing that would have caused
the most significant damage to the bullet that struck JBC, because a
human rib [which was also broken in Connally] is a very easy bone to
break).
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm
Here is the test bullet after breaking a human wrist at 1100fps:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bullet1.jpg
Here's another source for some "SBT Common Sense":
David Von Pein
>>> "I have something interesting for you to look at. Get the Warren Report. Read chapter three. Read it again. Basically, it says that LHO fired three identical rounds - all copper-jacketed. Then they state that the bullet that hit the sidewalk did not leave EVEN A TRACE of copper. Hmmmm... how does a copper-jacketed bullet do that? Two bullets are accounted for - they both hit JFK, one of them also hit Governor Connally. The third missed the occupants, and it is presumably the one that hit the curb - how could it not leave any copper on the curb? Maybe the bullet that hit the curb was not copper-jacketed. Boy, THAT throws a lot of ideas our way, doesn't it? It sure seems to contradict the "no conspiracy" stance that the report has." <<<
Hi Willy,
You'd better read the last page of Chapter 3 of the Warren Report
again (which is page 117). On that page, the Warren Commission
recognizes the possibility that the curb damage on Main Street could
have been caused by a fragment of the shot that struck President
Kennedy in the head.
That same page #117 also has the Commission talking about other
possibilities to account for the curb damage (and, hence, James
Tague's slight cheek injury) other than a WHOLE, unfragmented bullet
hitting the curb.
Page 117 is one of my very favorite pages in the Warren Commission
Report, because within that one single page we have multiple
conspiracy myths being totally destroyed, including the myth about how
the Commission was absolutely certain that all three of Lee Harvey
Oswald's gunshots had been fired within a span of "5.6 seconds".
WR; Pg. 117:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0071a.htm
Nobody
When you said warren commission your evidence went to zero
tomnln
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Nobody",
>
> Why not try actually READING about some of the stuff in this case,
> instead of spreading false nonsense about the Single-Bullet Theory and
> Bullet CE399?
>
> A good place to start would be John McAdams' "SBT" webpage (esp. a
> section near the bottom of the page, where .John shows us a picture of
> a MC bullet just like CE399 which broke a human wrist while travelling
> at 1100fps, and emerged in perfect condition; and remember that
> Connally's wrist injury was certainly the thing that would have caused
> the most significant damage to the bullet that struck JBC, because a
> human rib [which was also broken in Connally] is a very easy bone to
> break).
>
> Here is the test bullet after breaking a human wrist at 1100fps:
>
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bullet1.jpg
>
> Here's another source for "SBT Common Sense":
>
> www.Bugliosi-Vs-Wecht.blogspot.com
David Von Pein
>>> "Now see you fail to provide me with any real evidence to your claims. When you said warren commission your evidence went to zero." <<<
Yeah, I guess Mr. "Nobody" (aka: a retarded person) thinks I should
have gone to Dr. Seuss or perhaps to the Federal Aviation
Administration for my evidence about the Kennedy assassination.
How silly of me to go to the organization responsible for
investigating JFK's murder.
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David Von Pein
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>>> "We're not arguing that CE399 was PLANTED at Parkland. Try and get that out of your head and we might start to inch a bit closer to the truth." <<<
Hey, I was just trying to help out you conspiracy theorists a little
bit. Because believing that Bullet CE399 was "planted" sure makes a
heck of a lot more sense than claiming some OTHER bullet was "planted"
on the WRONG PARKLAND STRETCHER (which is what many, many CTers firmly
believe occurred).
And if you want to now say that some "pointy-tipped" bullet (per O.P.
Wright) was a REAL bullet fired during the assassination that actually
hit John Connally (in lieu of CE399 hitting him), then you've got a
whole boatload of "common sense" problems with that theory. One of
which is: Why would any boob plotters/assassins be firing any pointy-
tipped bullets at JFK when Oswald The Patsy's gun didn't fire such
bullets? That's just flat-out insane. (And you surely believe Oswald
was being framed as the lone "patsy", don't you? Of course you do.)
Plus: If the "pointy-tipped" bullet (per O.P. Wright) was a bullet
that actually went into John Connally's body on Nov. 22, then CTers
are going to have to jettison TWO of their favorite long-standing
idiotic theories:
1.) The theory about how "NO BULLET COULD POSSIBLY COME OUT LOOKING
NEARLY PRISTINE (AND WITH A POINTY NOSE, NO LESS) AFTER DOING THE
DAMAGE IT DID TO JOHN B. CONNALLY JR."
2.) And the theory about the stretcher bullet being found on a non-
Connally stretcher.
So, which will it be.....
A "pointy" bullet that went into Connally?
A "pointy" bullet that was planted on the wrong stretcher?
A "pointy" bullet that went into Connally and then magically JUMPED
from Connally's stretcher to Ronnie Fuller's?
A "pointy" bullet that was totally unconnected to the assassination at
all?
A "planted" CE399?
Or perhaps CE399 was already in the hospital PRIOR to the shooting in
Dealey Plaza? (Maybe Oswald shot somebody else besides JFK & Connally
that day. That'd be a new twist for the conspiracy kooks of the world
to dredge up.)
Or....just maybe....the evidence is what the evidence purports to be
-- i.e., Oswald fired CE399 into Kennedy and Connally, with that
bullet falling out of John Connally's leg and onto his stretcher in
Parkland Hospital on 11/22/63.
I'll choose the latter option (and so will William of Ockham). The
other options are too hilarious to even contemplate for more than
three seconds.
BTW, conspiracists are dead wrong when they insist that Darrell
Tomlinson positively found the bullet on a stretcher that wasn't
Connally's. He told the Warren Commission (plain as day) that he "was
not sure" which stretcher he found the bullet on. Let's have a gander:
ARLEN SPECTER -- "Now, Mr. Tomlinson, are you sure that it was
stretcher "A" that you took out of the elevator and not stretcher
"B"?"
DARRELL C. TOMLINSON -- "Well, really, I can't be positive, just to be
perfectly honest about it, I can't be positive, because I really
didn't pay that much attention to it. The stretcher was on the
elevator and I pushed it off of there and I believe we made one or two
calls up before I straightened out the stretcher up against the wall."
[...]
MR. SPECTER -- "What did you tell the Secret Service man about which
stretcher you took off of the elevator?"
MR. TOMLINSON -- "I told him that I was not sure, and I am not--I'm
not sure of it, but as I said, I would be going against the oath which
I took a while ago, because I am definitely not sure."
Worth a replay (or twenty):
"I can't be positive. .... I really didn't pay that much
attention to it. .... I'm not sure of it. .... I am definitely not
sure." -- DARRELL C. TOMLINSON; 1964
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