Provable Lies of the Warren Commission (#6)
Ben Holmes
Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only
purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message
threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.
These trolls include (but are not limited to):
Baldoni
Balds...@gmail.com
Bigdog
Bill
Brokedad
Bud
Burlyguard
Cdddraftsman
Chuck Schuyler
David Von Pein
Grizzlie Antagonist
Justme1952
JGL
Marty Baughman
Miss Rita
Muc...@Gmail.com
Sam Brown
Steve sahi...@yahoo.com
Tara Lachat
Tims...@Gmail.com
Todd W. Vaughan
YoHarvey
The names change from time to time as they create new aliases, but they can be
recognized by their refusal to address the evidence, and their frequent use of
ad hominem attacks.
Please beware when seeing their responses, and note that they will simply deny
the facts I mention, demand citations that I've provided before, or simply run
with insults. These trolls are only good material for the killfiles.
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"When the rifle was found in the Texas School Book Depository Building it
contained a clip which bore the letters "SMI" (the manufacturer's markings) and
the number "952" (possibly a part number or the manufacturer's code number)."
(WCR 555)
The statement references the testimony of Captain Fritz (4H 205) and Lt. Day (4H
258). In neither reference does the clip appear. The WC has simply lied -
using citations that do *not* support their claim. There are many more problems
with this alleged clip - but it would take a separate post to detail. See
Silvia Meagher's Accessories After the Fact for one discussion of the problems
of evidence for this clip.
Any LNT'ers care to explain how the citation doesn't support the statement?
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Ben Holmes
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Sam Brown
"Ben Holmes" <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote in message
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Why ask the question Yellowpants? You'll hide behind your killfile like a
schoolgirl. Nobody is fooled by your silliness Ben.
tara
> "Ben Holmes" <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote in message
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> > **********************************************************************
> > Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's
> > only
> > purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change
> > message
> > threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.
>
> > These trolls include (but are not limited to):
>
> > Baldoni
> > Bigdog
> > Bill
> > Brokedad
> > Bud
> > Burlyguard
> > Cdddraftsman
> > Chuck Schuyler
> > David Von Pein
> > Grizzlie Antagonist
> > Justme1952
> > JGL
> > Marty Baughman
> > Miss Rita
> > Sam Brown
> > Steve sahist...@yahoo.com
> > Tara Lachat
> > Timst...@Gmail.com
>
> Why ask the question Yellowpants? You'll hide behind your killfile like a
> schoolgirl. Nobody is fooled by your silliness Ben.
Mr. Holmes doesn't want rebuttals. I have demonstrated that by doing
as he has requested. When one points out the obvious lies he is
posting, he simply ignores the poster. How embarrassing.
Sam Brown
"tara" <taral...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Great job Tara. KUTGW.
aeffects
> "Ben Holmes" <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote in message
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> > **********************************************************************
> > Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's
> > only
> > purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change
> > message
> > threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.
>
> > These trolls include (but are not limited to):
>
> > Baldoni
> > Bigdog
> > Bill
> > Brokedad
> > Bud
> > Burlyguard
> > Cdddraftsman
> > Chuck Schuyler
> > David Von Pein
> > Grizzlie Antagonist
> > Justme1952
> > JGL
> > Marty Baughman
> > Miss Rita
> > Sam Brown
> > Steve sahist...@yahoo.com
> > Tara Lachat
> > Timst...@Gmail.com
>
> Why ask the question Yellowpants? You'll hide behind your killfile like a
> schoolgirl. Nobody is fooled by your silliness Ben.
sitdown tuna-skank, no one ask you to comment on anything --
sheeeeeeet, you've got 4000+ posts to this board and you have no idea
who JFK was....
have you got a writing gig yet? You're pathetic shithead, all those
bytes yet no bite! Oh-wee!
Ben Holmes
aeffects says...
>ly
>> > deny
>> > the facts I mention, demand citations that I've provided before, or sim=
>ply
>> > run
>> > with insults. =A0These trolls are only good material for the killfiles.
>> > **********************************************************************
>>
>> > "When the rifle was found in the Texas School Book Depository Building =
>it
>> > contained a clip which bore the letters "SMI" (the manufacturer's
>> > markings) and
>> > the number "952" (possibly a part number or the manufacturer's code
>> > number)."
>>
>> > The statement references the testimony of Captain Fritz (4H 205) and Lt=
>.
>> > Day (4H
>> > 258). =A0In neither reference does the clip appear. =A0The WC has simpl=
>y
>> > lied -
>> > using citations that do *not* support their claim. =A0There are many mo=
>re
>> > problems
>> > with this alleged clip - but it would take a separate post to detail. =
>=A0See
>> > Silvia Meagher's Accessories After the Fact for one discussion of the
>> > problems
>> > of evidence for this clip.
>>
>> > Any LNT'ers care to explain how the citation doesn't support the
>> > statement?
>>
>>
>> schoolgirl. Nobody is fooled by your silliness Ben.
>
>sitdown tuna-skank, no one ask you to comment on anything --
>sheeeeeeet, you've got 4000+ posts to this board and you have no idea
>who JFK was....
>
>have you got a writing gig yet? You're pathetic shithead, all those
>bytes yet no bite! Oh-wee!
Amusing that the trolls are using the excuse that I've killfiled them to avoid
answering... If they *could* answer, they'd get their viewpoint out to untold
numbers of readers... indeed, if anyone responds to their answer (as long as
it's not another killfiled troll), I'd see it.
The *REASON* that the trolls are killfiled is *BECAUSE* they have nothing to
say. Only DVP & Buddy fit a different category - that of trolls that will
discuss the evidence, but only one-sided... that is, they refuse to support
their statements.
These questions on the evidence in this case only illustrate how dishonest
LNT'ers & Trolls must be in order to support the WC's theory.
timstter
> In article <a30cb583-1705-46a1-97cf-07734bb9f...@z8g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Does anyone else think ol' Yellow Pants might be a chop short of a
BBQ?
KUTGW, Yella Pants, LOL!
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
justm...@gmail.com
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> - Show quoted text -
ROFLMAO again Tim LOLOL
tara
wrote:
I pointed out the flaws, distortions and outright lies by Mr. Holmes
regarding his posting the testimony of Mrs. Arnold. What did Mr.
Holmes do? He ignored the post and continued posting his lies and
distortions of testimony. This is what Mr. Holmes does. He now posts
the above nonsense as his explanation for his lunacy. How
embarrassing.
David Von Pein
>>> "The *REASON* that the trolls are killfiled [by Ben "Mega-Kook" Holmes] is *BECAUSE* they have nothing to say. Only DVP & Buddy fit a different category - that of trolls that will discuss the evidence, but only one-sided... that is, they refuse to support their statements." <<<
No matter how many words come out of Ben Holmes' mouth (or the mouth
of any CTer), one thing shall always remain the same--year after year:
No CTer can produce ONE SOLID PIECE OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to support
his or her belief that a multi-gun conspiracy ended the life of John
F. Kennedy. Not one.
And that's a plain and simple fact of life that will never change.
(Unless Holmes has a non-Oswald bullet or two under his mattress that
he's been keeping hidden from the world for the last 45 years.)
www.RapidShare.com/files/217926803/BATTLING_A_JFK_CONSPIRACY_KOOK__THE_COMPLETE_6-PART_SERIES_.wmv
aeffects
> >>> "The *REASON* that the trolls are killfiled [by Ben "Mega-Kook" Holmes] is *BECAUSE* they have nothing to say. Only DVP & Buddy fit a different category - that of trolls that will discuss the evidence, but only one-sided... that is, they refuse to support their statements." <<<
>
> No matter how many words come out of Ben Holmes' mouth (or the mouth
> of any CTer), one thing shall always remain the same--year after year:
hon, you can't dance... don't even try -- above all stay away from
debating case evidence... Ya haven't got it. How is Rosemary, btw?
> No CTer can produce ONE SOLID PIECE OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to support
> his or her belief that a multi-gun conspiracy ended the life of John
> F. Kennedy. Not one.
>
> And that's a plain and simple fact of life that will never change.
> (Unless Holmes has a non-Oswald bullet or two under his mattress that
> he's been keeping hidden from the world for the last 45 years.)
>
> www.RapidShare.com/files/217926803/BATTLING_A_JFK_CONSPIRACY_KOOK__TH...
tara
I do find it so amusing how this forum totally ignores the rantings of
Mr. Healy. Including the conspiracy theorists. How embarrassing.
justm...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Healy is human waste, no one pays attention to human waste except the
guys who have to keep the sewers clean
Ben Holmes
aeffects says...
>
>On Jun 12, 2:04=A0pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>> "The *REASON* that the trolls are killfiled [by Ben "Mega-Kook" Holme=
>s] is *BECAUSE* they have nothing to say. Only DVP & Buddy fit a different =
>category - that of trolls that will discuss the evidence, but only one-side=
>d... that is, they refuse to support their statements." <<<
>>
>> No matter how many words come out of Ben Holmes' mouth (or the mouth
>> of any CTer), one thing shall always remain the same--year after year:
>
>hon, you can't dance... don't even try -- above all stay away from
>debating case evidence... Ya haven't got it. How is Rosemary, btw?
>
>
>> No CTer can produce ONE SOLID PIECE OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
The cheek caste of LHO.
Physical proof that he didn't fire a rifle that day.
CE 343 is another bit of physical proof. It fails to exhibit the characteristic
"chamber mark" found on all cases *KNOWN* to have been fired out of CE 139.
Of course, the eyewitness testimony is overwhelming, which no doubt explains why
trolls demand "physical" evidence.
The Minox camera (and the way the FBI dealt with it) demonstrates a 'conspiracy'
to hide the evidence of Oswald's intelligence connections.
Much "physical evidence" was simply destroyed. Some of which we now know about,
I suspect quite a bit that we never learned of.
>> to support
>> his or her belief that a multi-gun conspiracy ended the life of John
>> F. Kennedy. Not one.
That's true... not one.
>> And that's a plain and simple fact of life that will never change.
That trolls lie? Of course... that's what trolls do.
>> (Unless Holmes has a non-Oswald bullet or two under his mattress that
>> he's been keeping hidden from the world for the last 45 years.)
David Von Pein
>>> "The cheek cast of LHO. Physical proof that he didn't fire a rifle that day." <<<
LOL. Holmes The Kook is a riot!
I ask for "physical evidence" and this is the NUMBER-ONE item produced
by Holmes! As if Holmes himself doesn't know how completely unreliable
any such paraffin (and "cheek") tests really are. Hilarious!
And Holmes undoubtedly believes that the FBI lied through their
collective ass when they said that one of their agents had tested
NEGATIVELY for nitrates on BOTH of his hands AND his cheek after the
agent had fired Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle after the
assassination. That must have been a lie by the FBI, right Ben?
Because if the agent had REALLY fired Oswald's gun, then his cheek
MUST have tested POSITIVE for nitrates, right?
In short, Ben The Kook will simply ignore the FBI test which had an
agent firing CE139 and testing NEGATIVE for gunpowder residue. Or,
Holmes will just lie some more. But, we're used to that. Even Tara's
accustomed to CTer lies by now.
>>> "CE 343 [sic] is another bit of physical proof. It fails to exhibit the characteristic "chamber mark" found on all cases *KNOWN* to have been fired out of CE 139." <<<
Ben The Retard really meant to say "CE543", not 343. But we'll give
the kook a break and just chalk that error up to a slipped computer
digit.
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0134a.htm
Anyway, Holmes will simply IGNORE the fact that MULTIPLE firearms
identification experts testified that ALL THREE of the cartridge cases
found underneath Oswald's window in the Depository (of which CE543 is
one) were positively fired in and ejected from CE139 (Oswald's
Carcano) to the exclusion of every other weapon on the Planet Earth:
MELVIN EISENBERG -- "Mr. Frazier, returning to the cartridge cases
which were marked earlier into evidence as Commission Exhibits 543,
544, and 545, and which, as I stated earlier for the record, had been
found next to the window of the sixth floor of the Texas School Book
Depository, can you tell us when you received those cartridge cases?"
ROBERT A. FRAZIER OF THE FBI -- "Yes, sir. I received the first of the
exhibits, 543 and 544, on November 23, 1963. They were delivered to me
by Special Agent Vincent Drain of the Dallas FBI Office.
And the other one I received on November 27, 1963, which was delivered
by Special Agents Vincent Drain and Warren De Brueys of the Dallas
Office." ....
MR. EISENBERG -- "After receiving the cartridge cases, did you examine
them to determine whether they had been fired in Commission Exhibit
139?"
MR. FRAZIER -- "Yes, sir." ....
MR. EISENBERG -- "And what were your conclusions, Mr. Frazier?"
MR. FRAZIER -- "I found all three of the cartridge cases had been
fired in this particular weapon."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/frazr1.htm
>>> "Of course, the eyewitness testimony is overwhelming, which no doubt explains why trolls demand "physical" evidence." <<<
You'd think that if the kind of multi-gun plot was afoot in Dallas
that you kooks fervently believe was afoot, you'd be able to scrape up
at least A LITTLE "physical evidence". Wouldn't ya think?
Is it really asking too much for the kooks to be able to SUPPORT their
nonsensical beliefs in a multi-gun conspiracy with at least ONE PIECE
of "physical evidence"?
Instead, kooks like Holmes want to desperately avoid discussing the
PHYSICAL evidence....because that type of evidence hangs his precious
"patsy". And it always will hang him.
So, when asked for "physical evidence", Holmes has to drag out stuff
that is either totally meaningless (like his next item below, the
Minox camera, which is a real howl) or he drags out an item (bullet
shell #CE543) that really is, of course, physical evidence of Oswald's
GUILT, not his innocence! These conspiracy retards are just
incredible, aren't they?
>>> "The Minox camera (and the way the FBI dealt with it) demonstrates a 'conspiracy' to hide the evidence of Oswald's intelligence connections." <<<
The only possible response to this item on Holmes' silly list is --
LOL!
I guess maybe Holmes thinks President Kennedy was shot with a Minox
camera on Elm Street, huh?
This is how far down the "evidence chain" a mega-kook like Ben Holmes
must dig in order to satisfy their need for a "plot" in the JFK case.
Pathetic, isn't it?
>>> "Much "physical evidence" was simply destroyed. Some of which we now know about, I suspect quite a bit that we never learned of." <<<
This is another cop-out used by the idiots in Conspiracy-Land, with
the usual kook mantra being: "Everything That Would Prove This
Conspiracy We Believe In Has Been Faked Or Tampered With Or
"Destroyed" By The Evil Cover-Up Agents Of The World".
Funny, though, isn't it, how if something has been "destroyed" that
Ben Holmes KNOWS ABOUT ITS EXISTENCE AT ALL?!
And even Holmes, via his last words above, is admitting that "we never
learned of" a lot of actual evidence of conspiracy in this case.
Amazing, huh?! We've "never learned" about the existence of
evidence....but Holmes (somehow) knows that some "conspiracy"-proving
evidence DID exist at some point in time.
That, folks, is known as --- Faith.
And rest assured, Ben's "faith" in his make-believe conspiracy will
continue, unabated, until he breathes his last breath of air.
And this is a "conspiracy" in which the only "physical evidence"
Holmes can seem to muster is a bullet shell that CAME FROM THE GUN OF
LEE HARVEY OSWALD and a cheek cast of Oswald's which PROVES ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING and a Minox camera WHICH PROVES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and a faith-
based belief that a lot of evidence was "SIMPLY DESTROYED" by people
who were part of Ben's make-believe "cover-up".
As I said before:
"No CTer can produce ONE SOLID PIECE OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to
support his or her belief that a multi-gun conspiracy ended the life
of John F. Kennedy. Not one." -- DVP; 06/12/09; 5:04 PM EDT
tomnln
On Jun 12, 5:12 pm, aeffects <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 12, 2:04 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> "The *REASON* that the trolls are killfiled [by Ben "Mega-Kook"
> > >>> Holmes] is *BECAUSE* they have nothing to say. Only DVP & Buddy fit
> > >>> a different category - that of trolls that will discuss the
> > >>> evidence, but only one-sided... that is, they refuse to support
> > >>> their statements." <<<
>
> > No matter how many words come out of Ben Holmes' mouth (or the mouth
> > of any CTer), one thing shall always remain the same--year after year:
>
> hon, you can't dance... don't even try -- above all stay away from
> debating case evidence... Ya haven't got it. How is Rosemary, btw?
>
> > No CTer can produce ONE SOLID PIECE OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to support
> > his or her belief that a multi-gun conspiracy ended the life of John
> > F. Kennedy. Not one.
>
> > And that's a plain and simple fact of life that will never change.
> > (Unless Holmes has a non-Oswald bullet or two under his mattress that
> > he's been keeping hidden from the world for the last 45 years.)
>
> >www.RapidShare.com/files/217926803/BATTLING_A_JFK_CONSPIRACY_KOOK__TH...
tara wrote;
I do find it so amusing how this forum totally ignores the rantings of
Mr. Healy. Including the conspiracy theorists. How embarrassing.
I write;
I find it SO Amusing that tara never gives any official Citations.
Tara also seems to be RUNNING from These>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
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