JFK Assassination Forum Archives -- Misc. Topics Of Interest (Part 186)

David Von Pein

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ARCHIVED JFK ASSASSINATION FORUM POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 186):

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REPORTERS AND JOURNALISTS REMEMBER 11/22/63:
http://DVP-Video-Audio-Archive.blogspot.com/2012/05/journalists-remember-jfk-assassination.html

2012 CLINT HILL INTERVIEW:
http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/2010/12/kennedy-detail.html#Clint-Hill-Interview-May-3-2012

WESLEY FRAZIER:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19083&st=1155#entry253593

MARY MOORMAN'S POLAROID:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6514c37a7d221724
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5cb57a127ce14e41
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/801a0b901cba02ac

S.B.T.:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4549.msg160749.html#msg160749
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19188&st=15#entry255021
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19188&st=30#entry255040
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19188&st=45#entry255107
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19188&st=45#entry255112

JFK SPEECHES:
http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/2012/05/jfk-speeches.html
http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/2012/06/jfk-speech-american-university-6-10-63.html
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2012/06/jfk-civil-rights-speech-june-11-1963.html

THE AUTOPSY:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4549.msg160914.html#msg160914

VINCENT BUGLIOSI:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3938031553b4da6d
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f6ca0178e0ba6833
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/317c5c16f269723c

OSWALD'S GUILT:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19168&st=15#entry254643

JFK's PRESS CONFERENCES:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7819639ce9b993ad

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David Von Pein

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Jun 23, 2012, 8:28:38 AM6/23/12

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ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

>>> "Maybe you didn't even read Videotoaster. Maybe you weren't even aware of it. Or maybe you were embarrassed by it. Myers was featured to show off Lightwave software. The editors accidentally selected a frame from his video which shows Connally too far to his right. So far that any bullet hitting JFK's back and exiting his throat could not possibly hit Connally's right armpit and would have to hit the middle of his back. .... I scanned in the cover of the Videotoaster magazine which shows one frame from the Dale Myers video of the limousine driving through Dealey Plaza. Then I placed a white dot on where Connally's entrance wound was on his coat. .... Myers accidentally reveals that there was plenty of room for a bullet to pass over JFK's right shoulder and hit Connally's right armpit, just as Specter accidentally did with CE 903. .... Connally is too far to the right." <<<

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

You're funny, Tony.

This "Video Toaster" view of the victims isn't the same as Lee Harvey
Oswald's Sniper's-Nest point-of-view at all:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--qxec5Km1eM/T-W0uS52VZI/AAAAAAAACpU/w6CB98u-q9E/s1600/Video-Toaster-Magazine-Cover-November-1994-Issue.jpg

The car isn't even on Elm Street yet in the above photo. What makes
you think Dale Myers has got it all wrong when the above picture
doesn't even purport the "Sniper's View" of the victims from the TSBD?
Oswald didn't shoot from Main & Houston; he shot from Elm & Houston,
six floors up.

Here's what Oswald was seeing at the time of the SBT:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jJWJiWrhpO0/T-WsybgPDMI/AAAAAAAACoY/ulM6_r6H_Ts/s1600/Frame-From-Dale-Myers-Computer-Animation.jpg

If JFK's killer had been located at Main & Houston, you might have a
point, Tony. But Kennedy wasn't shot from that location. So your
constant "Myers Is A Liar" whining is totally meaningless and moot (as
usual). Just as I knew it would be before I ever clicked on your Video
Toaster photo.

>>> "My point is that it just illustrates that what I said is true. Connally was too far to the right to be hit by a SBT bullet and there was plenty of room for a bullet to hit him directly without having to go through JFK first. Certain deadheads here are not able to visualize that, so the Myers cartoon SHOWS how it is possible." <<<

If JFK had been shot in the upper back near the Main & Houston
intersection, and also from a position just exactly where the "virtual
camera" was located in the Video Toaster animated photo--then, yes,
you might have a point.

But, to reiterate this vital fact, the Video Toaster image proves none
of what you claim it proves--because the Toaster picture shows the car
on HOUSTON STREET, not on ELM STREET.

In addition, the Video Toaster image certainly is not showing nearly
the correct angle to match the angle that Oswald was shooting from,
which was 60 feet up in the Depository. And there's also the 3-degree
slope of Elm Street that would have to be factored in, too. There's no
3-degree slant on Houston Street that I am aware of.

So why, Tony, are you even pretending that the Video Toaster image is
identical to the view and shooting angles that Oswald was faced with
as he fired his SBT bullet into the President's upper back from the
sixth floor of the TSBD? They are two completely different angles
entirely.

You've proved nothing, because you're comparing plums with apricots
(or, in this instance, Houston Street angles with Elm Street angles).

David Von Pein

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ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

>>> "I never pretended that the cover frame is identical to the view from the sniper's nest." <<<

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yes, in essence, that's pretty much exactly what you claimed. Because
if you admit the angles are totally different, then what the hell's
your point in the first place?

In reality, you have no point--because the angles are obviously
different due to the fact JFK wasn't shot at a low angle from the
corner of Main & Houston. (Duh.)

>>> "They are two completely different angles. That is the point." <<<

You're making my argument for me. Thanks.

>>> "Myers screwed up and accidentally showed how Connally was too far to the right for a SBT to work." <<<

But only if Kennedy and Connally had been shot at the corner of
Houston and Main Streets by a gunman who was situated at a much lower
location than was Oswald in the Depository. That's the point you keep
missing or deliberately sidestepping with more Tony Talk©.

aeffects

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Jun 25, 2012, 1:54:04 AM6/25/12

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On Jun 23, 8:44 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

<snip the trash>

you be a busy bevah, loon! Ya gonna make to 11/2013, think of all
those crispy-critters you gotta sell?

David Von Pein

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Jul 9, 2012, 9:43:17 PM7/9/12

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RE: BRAIN TISSUE ON THE TRUNK.....

Any brain matter that might have been thrown onto the limo's trunk
could easily have gotten there as a result of Oswald's shot from the
rear.

Since we all know that JFK's head was, indeed, thrown violently to the
rear after Oswald's shot hit the President's head (and the medical
evidence indicates, beyond all doubt, that only shots from the REAR
struck JFK's body), then why would anyone think it was impossible for
a piece of loose skull or brain tissue to have been tossed in the
direction of the trunk?

So, conspiracy theorists don't have a leg to stand on when they
continue to argue that ONLY a shot from the front could have resulted
in brain tissue ending up on the trunk of the car.

aeffects

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Jul 10, 2012, 12:10:44 AM7/10/12

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On Jul 9, 6:43 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

<snip the lone nut looney tunes>

see:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_frm/thread/304b83c5ecda2a82/7873f5b9fcbd4fc3?hl=en#7873f5b9fcbd4fc3

you 2-bit coward!

David Von Pein

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Jul 10, 2012, 4:13:27 PM7/10/12

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DVP SAID:

>>> "So, conspiracy theorists don't have a leg to stand on when they continue to argue that ONLY a shot from the front could have resulted in brain tissue ending up on the trunk of the car." <<<

TONY MARSH SAID:

>>> "Name and quote the conspiracy theorists who say that." <<<

DVP SAYS:

Who are you kidding, Anthony?

Almost all CTers say that. You know that, Tony. That's one of their
big items of "conspiracy" -- i.e., Jackie went to retrieve a skull
fragment on the trunk...ergo...the head shot had to have come from the
front.

All the while, those same conspiracy theorists, as always, totally
ignore the autopsy report and the statements of the autopsy
physicians.

David Von Pein

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Jul 11, 2012, 4:56:48 AM7/11/12

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T. MARSH SAID:

>>> "Only a few say that and no one said brain tissue. Now you say skull fragment." <<<

D. VON PEIN SAID:

What's the difference? It would still equate to a hunk of JFK's head
being tossed backward. And, of course, Jackie did hand Pepper Jenkins
a piece of brain tissue at Parkland. So why on Earth you claim that
"no one said brain tissue" is a mystery. Just part of your usual
"Argue No Matter What" rule of thumb evidently.

>>> "As always you change your argument after you have lost." <<<

You know darn well that Jackie handed Dr. Jenkins a piece of brain
tissue--and you also know that most CTers insist that Jackie retrieved
that hunk of brain on the trunk. And yet somehow this adds up to a
defeat for DVP in this discussion. A curious conclusion.

You're a hoot, Tony. And a very strange hoot, to boot.

mainframetech

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Jul 11, 2012, 9:12:00 AM7/11/12

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David...why is it that when I go to your site, the 'back' button (when
right clicked) shows many reiterations that go right back to your site
instead of the previous site? Is that a gimmick that causes a
multiplicity of hits to appear on your record? Does the number of
hits increase the amount that can be charged for advertising?

Chris

David Von Pein

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Jul 11, 2012, 3:51:49 PM7/11/12

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>>> "David...why is it that when I go to your site, the 'back' button (when right clicked) shows many reiterations that go right back to your site instead of the previous site?" <<<

Which site? I have 64 of them (plus YouTube).

>>> "Is that a gimmick that causes a multiplicity of hits to appear on your record? Does the number of hits increase the amount that can be charged for advertising?" <<<

I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't rigged the "back"
button in any way on any of my sites. I wouldn't have any idea how to
do such a thing in the first place.

Why do you regularly ask about such things, MainFrame? Is my site
structure so vital to you?

mainframetech

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Jul 11, 2012, 7:19:28 PM7/11/12

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Believe me, it's not crucial to me. I looked it over and found it
far too one-sided to offer solid help in the area of the JFK
assassination.

Welp, if you don't know the site I mean, I'll look again and come
back and tell you. You see, the problem on the site is when you want
to back out to the previous site, it won't let you go. It keeps
forcing the user back to your site until you exhaust all the extra
links pushed into the 'Back Button' site list. It's not common on
most sites, but a few have that gimmick. That's why I wondered.
Since it causes the user of your site to have a problem navigating to
where they wanted to go, I thought also that you would want to know
about it so you can fix it.

See you soon with the information you need for which site it is...:)

Chris

Samantha Brown

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Jul 11, 2012, 9:31:17 PM7/11/12

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"mainframetech" <mainfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It may be the settings on your browser that's causing you difficulties.
I've checked out a few of David's sites and can't find an issue. Might be
the reason why the links that Bud posted for you wouldn't load. Is that why
you wanted to know what operating system he was using? It really would make
zero difference to your web surfing experience.

mainframetech

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On Jul 11, 9:31 pm, "Samantha Brown" <samjbrow...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "mainframetech" <mainframet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Nope. Thanks anyway, but you're on the wrong track. Once Bud
acted afraid of me and refused to mention such a simple thing, I just
couldn't help pressing about it, and I will continue to do so until I
get an honest answer.

As to the links on DVP's back button, it's related to ads he has on
his site and the counting of those ads by Google. I did some research
on it and here's one of the answers:
http://trioniclabs.com/2012/02/back-button-mystery/

Here's a Google 'back button' rule from Google:
http://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=176106

OK, DVP. The rest is up to you.

Chris

Samantha Brown

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"mainframetech" <mainfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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#
Seems a bit silly, if he told you he uses Windows XP, what would you glean
from that? And to say that Bud "acted" afrraid of you is just daft.

As to the links on DVP's back button, it's related to ads he has on
his site and the counting of those ads by Google. I did some research
on it and here's one of the answers:
http://trioniclabs.com/2012/02/back-button-mystery/

##
I clicked on your link and it says its a browser problem, just as I said.
Nothing to do with DVP. Did you read your own link????? Why don't you
switch to Mozilla Firefox??

Here's a Google 'back button' rule from Google:
http://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=176106

##
Irrelevant because the problem is with your browser. See your first link.

OK, DVP. The rest is up to you.

Chris

You were going to post the link to David's site that you had problems with,
that might be a better place to start.

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David Von Pein

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Jul 12, 2012, 5:43:12 PM7/12/12

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>>> "OK, DVP. The rest is up to you." <<<

And what do you suggest I do -- change everyone's individual IE browser "history" settings myself? Because it appears to me that's the only way to stop the problem. It's an internal I.E. (or Google) glitch. It's nothing I can control.

mainframetech

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Jul 12, 2012, 7:36:43 PM7/12/12

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On Jul 12, 5:43 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "OK, DVP. The rest is up to you." <<<
>
> And what do you suggest I do -- change everyone's individual IE browser "history" settings myself? Because it appears to me that's the only way to stop the problem. It's an internal I.E. (or Google) glitch. It's nothing I can control.

Welp, then you are at least aware of it and that it's related to
counting ads and the ads occurrence. As a user of Google services,
you might want to squawk at them and it might spur them on. Or you
could stop advertising...:)

OK, here's the first occurrence of the problem. I simply picked
the first site with your name in it and the very first page that
displayed, go to the back button and hit right click and look at the
drop down list.

http://davidvonpein.blogspot.com/

Chris

mainframetech

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Jul 12, 2012, 7:37:02 PM7/12/12

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Poor thing. Unable to take a comment as it stands. Paranoia? You
woud have to be there to understand...:)

> As to the links on DVP's back button, it's related to ads he has on
> his site and the counting of those ads by Google. I did some research
> on it and here's one of the answers:http://trioniclabs.com/2012/02/back-button-mystery/
>
> ##
> I clicked on your link and it says its a browser problem, just as I said.
> Nothing to do with DVP. Did you read your own link????? Why don't you
> switch to Mozilla Firefox??
>

I happen to have Firefox, but I like the IE9. What do you care?
Are you becoming the help desk for poor Davey? Check that link
explanation again and see if you misinterpreted it. The problem is
with either 'Adsense' or with Google's use of it. And the problem
occurs all over the 'net due to it, and only with the IE 8, 9. One
suggestion was an incompatibility between Google and 'adsense'.

> Here's a Google 'back button' rule from Google:http://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=17...

>
> ##
> Irrelevant because the problem is with your browser. See your first link.
>
> OK, DVP. The rest is up to you.
>
> Chris
>
> You were going to post the link to David's site that you had problems with,
> that might be a better place to start.

I didn't bother with that becasue it will occur on any site that
uses ads with Google. I'll look again and pick one that does it.

Samantha Brown

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Jul 12, 2012, 8:01:41 PM7/12/12

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"mainframetech" <mainfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Poor thing, realises he's made a mistake and is unable to show character
enough to respond sensibly and admit it. Shame.

> As to the links on DVP's back button, it's related to ads he has on
> his site and the counting of those ads by Google. I did some research
> on it and here's one of the
> answers:http://trioniclabs.com/2012/02/back-button-mystery/
>
> ##
> I clicked on your link and it says its a browser problem, just as I said.
> Nothing to do with DVP. Did you read your own link????? Why don't you
> switch to Mozilla Firefox??
>
I happen to have Firefox, but I like the IE9. What do you care?

I was trying to prevent you from appearing foolish. I won't bother again.
I'll go back to laughing at your stupidity.

Are you becoming the help desk for poor Davey? Check that link
explanation again and see if you misinterpreted it. The problem is
with either 'Adsense' or with Google's use of it. And the problem
occurs all over the 'net due to it, and only with the IE 8, 9.

That's what I said dummy. Change your browser or shut up novice.

One
suggestion was an incompatibility between Google and 'adsense'.

But the first link you provided said the problem was with your browser, so
why are you whining to DVP about it? Use firefox, problem solved.

> Here's a Google 'back button' rule from
> Google:http://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=17...
>
> ##
> Irrelevant because the problem is with your browser. See your first link.
>
> OK, DVP. The rest is up to you.
>
> Chris
>
> You were going to post the link to David's site that you had problems
> with,
> that might be a better place to start.

I didn't bother with that becasue it will occur on any site that
uses ads with Google. I'll look again and pick one that does it.

The problem is not with DVP's site you moron, it's your browser.

Bud

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Jul 12, 2012, 8:10:00 PM7/12/12

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Yah, keep reminding me that you have a problem, it`s very important
to me. But whatever you do, make sure you take no action to solve the
problems plaguing you, just keep bugging other people about them.

> As to the links on DVP's back button, it's related to ads he has on
> his site and the counting of those ads by Google. I did some research
> on it and here's one of the answers:http://trioniclabs.com/2012/02/back-button-mystery/
>

> Here's a Google 'back button' rule from Google:http://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=17...

Samantha Brown

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Jul 12, 2012, 8:21:44 PM7/12/12

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"Bud" <sirs...@fast.net> wrote in message
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Bud, this guy is dumber than a box of hair.

Bud

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Jul 12, 2012, 8:58:23 PM7/12/12

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On Jul 12, 8:21 pm, "Samantha Brown" <samjbrow...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "Bud" <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote in message

Yah how about this one...?

"I looked it [DVP`s website] over and found it far too one-sided to

offer solid help in the area of the JFK assassination."

I suppose he thinks that history books have been far too one sided
on the Nazi`s treatment of the Jews. Or that the Titanic hit an
iceberg.

Samantha Brown

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Jul 12, 2012, 9:34:14 PM7/12/12

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"Bud" <sirs...@fast.net> wrote in message

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Ha! Yep, but he has used stolen term papers as references and thinks that's
just fine. The poor stump is totally clueless.

I suppose he thinks that history books have been far too one sided
on the Nazi`s treatment of the Jews. Or that the Titanic hit an
iceberg.

Probably. I used to think he might be Rob Caprio using an alias but at least
Rob knew how to use the internet. This amoeba deserves a category all of his
own.

mainframetech

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Jul 13, 2012, 8:34:37 AM7/13/12

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On Jul 12, 8:21 pm, "Samantha Brown" <samjbrow...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "Bud" <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote in message

Okay kid, check above for a comment to that.

Chris

mainframetech

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Jul 13, 2012, 8:33:49 AM7/13/12

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Welp, litle fella, most sites try to handle most browsers, not the
other way around where everyone with a browser must change it
everytime a failure comes up. And a popular site would have half the
internet population having to change browsers. Not sensible.

And what sort of platform DO you use to acces the internet? What
makes you so afraid to answer that question? :)

Chris

mainframetech

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Jul 13, 2012, 8:37:13 AM7/13/12

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Jul 13, 2012, 8:55:37 PM7/13/12

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"mainframetech" <mainfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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How quaint! You think certain words are the domain of men only? I take it
you're single or you married a simpleton.

You stuck your nose
in where you weren't asked,

Now that's a lie dummy. I attempted to help you. You were making a fool of
yourself and are clearly upset that I pointed it out to you. Very fragile
aren't you?As a novice are you unaware that this is an open forum Tiddy Amin
and you don't get to decide who interjects where? Better check that ego

and now you're unhappy because you can't
get me to do what you want. Tough. Deal with it.

Au Contraire Stump. I'm enjoying watching you squirm. Keep running kook, and
try to stop whining.

<snip irrelevant bullshit>

mainframetech

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Jul 14, 2012, 7:37:13 AM7/14/12

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No squirming here. I'm aware that you made a mistake and are now
trying to bluff it through. Go search out the problem as described
and see what the more knowledgeable techs think about the problem.
Don't bother me with your need for attention.

Chris

Samantha Brown

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Jul 14, 2012, 5:21:07 PM7/14/12

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"mainframetech" <mainfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Not only are you terminally stupid, you are also a liar. How sad.

aeffects

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Jul 14, 2012, 9:35:25 PM7/14/12

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and you terminally stink of tuna, you're a disgrace to all munchers....

Samantha Brown

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Jul 14, 2012, 9:51:28 PM7/14/12

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"aeffects" <aeffe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ROTFLMAO! And here you are again? Have you no dignity Junkie? Are you so
enamoured that you must make your prescence known to me at every
opportunity? Here it is again whackjob....take a hint will you. If I'm ever
in
the market for a shrivelled, bewigged, incoherent, cretinous, hideously
ugly, stupid
, alcoholic loser, you'll be the first to know. Now why don't you go and
hold your breath while you wait for my call.