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[Ben Holmes]

> It's not hard to get their excuses in line, as they are constantly rolled
out each time the "hidden documents" leads once again to Oswald alone.

We've had a number of times where evidence was newly released to the public, and I cannot recall a *SINGLE* instance in which the new material didn't present real problems for Warren Commission believers...

Can any believer document the release of ANYTHING after the Warren Commission volumes - that *helped* the Warren Commission's case?

[David Von Pein]

BEN HOLMES SAID:

Can any believer document the release of ANYTHING after the Warren Commission volumes that *helped* the Warren Commission's case?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Sure can. Lots of stuff. (Watch Ben now move the goalposts. He asked above whether there was "ANYTHING" that was released after the WC volumes that has "helped" the WC's case. But the following list of "ANYTHINGS" probably won't count in Ben's bizarre world.) ....

"In the final analysis, the committee based its finding that the shots that struck President Kennedy were fired from the Texas School Book Depository on the quantity and quality of the evidence, to wit: The findings of forensic pathologists that the shots that hit the President came from behind." -- Page 51 of the HSCA Final Report

"The evidence indicates that the autopsy photographs and X-rays were taken of President Kennedy at the time of his autopsy and that they had not been altered in any manner." -- 7 HSCA 41

"The decedent's head was struck from behind by a single projectile. It entered the occipital region 25 mm. to the right of the midline and 100 mm. above the external occipital protuberance." -- 1968 Clark Panel Report

"Examination of the clothing and of the photographs and X-rays taken at autopsy reveal that President Kennedy was struck by two bullets fired from above and behind him, one of which traversed the base of the neck on the right side without striking bone and the other of which entered the skull from behind and exploded its right side." -- 1968 Clark Panel Report

"On the basis of the investigation conducted by its staff, the Commission believes that there is no evidence to support the claim that President Kennedy was struck by a bullet fired from either the grassy knoll or any other position to his front, right front or right side, and that the motions of the President’s head and body, following the shot that struck him in the head, are fully consistent with that shot having come from a point to his rear, above him and slightly to his right." -- Page 264 of the Rockefeller Commission Final Report

"In truth, Jim Garrison, and hence the Oliver Stone movie, has been discredited by these documents [released by the ARRB]. If you read them, you see he did not have a case. He had nothing to build it on. .... He simply didn't have a case. And for that reason, I think you can discard that conspiracy." -- Anna K. Nelson of the ARRB; October 10, 1998

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-rcjDGNFEH_WkpPZk9xWGk5dFU/view

[Jason Burke]

Not our job, shitturd. I believe your idol Anthony Anthony calls that
shifting the burden, retard.

[Ben Holmes]

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 8:25:02 AM UTC-7, David Von Pein wrote:
> BEN HOLMES SAID:
>
> Can any believer document the release of ANYTHING after the Warren Commission volumes that *helped* the Warren Commission's case?
>
>
> DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
>
> Sure can. Lots of stuff. (Watch Ben now move the goalposts. He asked above whether there was "ANYTHING" that was released after the WC volumes that has "helped" the WC's case. But the following list of "ANYTHINGS" probably won't count in Ben's bizarre world.) ....

Watch as David completely FAILS to cite any newly released evidence that helped the Warren Commission...

No "moving goalposts" needed.

> "In the final analysis, the committee based its finding that the shots that struck President Kennedy were fired from the Texas School Book Depository on the quantity and quality of the evidence, to wit: The findings of forensic pathologists that the shots that hit the President came from behind." -- Page 51 of the HSCA Final Report

This is a *conclusion* - it's not newly released evidence in this case.

> "The evidence indicates that the autopsy photographs and X-rays were taken of President Kennedy at the time of his autopsy and that they had not been altered in any manner." -- 7 HSCA 41

Ditto. Still looking for newly released evidence...

> "The decedent's head was struck from behind by a single projectile. It entered the occipital region 25 mm. to the right of the midline and 100 mm. above the external occipital protuberance." -- 1968 Clark Panel Report

Although this is also a conclusion - it's at least based on newly released evidence THAT **SHOULD** ABSOLUTELY SHOCK BELIEVERS... for it proved that the prosectors missed the location of the entry by a whopping 4 inches.

And considering the TOTAL size of the skull - that's virtually impossible.

So this didn't help the Warren Commission *AT ALL* - it demonstrated that the medical evidence on which they relied WAS COMPLETELY WRONG.

> "Examination of the clothing and of the photographs and X-rays taken at autopsy reveal that President Kennedy was struck by two bullets fired from above and behind him, one of which traversed the base of the neck on the right side without striking bone and the other of which entered the skull from behind and exploded its right side." -- 1968 Clark Panel Report

Ditto.

> "On the basis of the investigation conducted by its staff, the Commission believes that there is no evidence to support the claim that President Kennedy was struck by a bullet fired from either the grassy knoll or any other position to his front, right front or right side, and that the motions of the President’s head and body, following the shot that struck him in the head, are fully consistent with that shot having come from a point to his rear, above him and slightly to his right." -- Page 264 of the Rockefeller Commission Final Report

More "conclusions"... David is still demonstrating either his incredible inability to read, or cowardice.

You pick.

> "In truth, Jim Garrison, and hence the Oliver Stone movie, has been discredited by these documents [released by the ARRB]. If you read them, you see he did not have a case. He had nothing to build it on. .... He simply didn't have a case. And for that reason, I think you can discard that conspiracy." -- Anna K. Nelson of the ARRB; October 10, 1998
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-rcjDGNFEH_WkpPZk9xWGk5dFU/view

Again, more "conclusions".

Perhaps David just can't understand the point I made... we're looking at the release of new material in October of this year... and I predict, THAT JUST **EXACTLY** LIKE ALL PREVIOUS RELEASES OF NEW EVIDENCE ... that it will not help the Warren Commission's theory.

It will harm it.

And David won't try to answer this again, now that he's been schooled on what he needs to find.

He'll merely post the above *LIES* on his website, and pretend that he's answered what he's run from...

[David Von Pein]

Ben's lying (again). Here's what Ben asked of the "believers"....

"Can any believer document the release of ANYTHING after the Warren Commission volumes that *helped* the Warren Commission's case?" -- B. Holmes

I then posted various quotes and conclusions reached by EACH of the committees and panels that FOLLOWED the Warren Commission.....with EACH conclusion and quote most definitely "helping" (i.e., buttressing) the Lone Assassin conclusions also reached by the WC.

But, just as I predicted, Ben, being the type of scumbag we all know he is, decided to move the goalposts and limit his inquiry to INDIVIDUAL DOCUMENTS that have been released since 1964. But that's NOT what Ben asked for. He asked for "ANYTHING". And "ANYTHING" can most certainly include the final reports (and CONCLUSIONS) reached by every U.S. Governmant panel that has existed since the WC.

And, as I proved via the quotes I posted above, EVERY panel that has convened since the WC has concluded (without doubt) that JFK was shot ONLY FROM BEHIND and was hit by just TWO BULLETS.

What I'd like to see a CTer provide is a list of documents (or findings) that really DO support a conspiracy in the JFK case. (And I mean *REALLY* and *TRULY* support it. Not just speculation about the documents "supporting" a conspiracy.) To date, I've seen no such documents whatsoever! None. Not one.

So, Ben, here's a challenge --- provide SPECIFIC LINKS to the documents that you think support the conclusion of "conspiracy" in the JFK murder case. I've asked Jim DiEugenio for such a link list for years, and have yet to have Jimbo provide even a single link to a single document. He just ignores my repeated requests for such documentation.

Maybe Holmes will have better luck. But I know he won't, because no such document(s) exist -- except in the minds of conspiracy theorists.

[Ben Holmes]

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 9:05:19 AM UTC-7, David Von Pein wrote:
> Ben's lying (again). Here's what Ben asked of the "believers"....

Left out the context, didn't you David...

Would you say that this is the mark of an honest person?

> "Can any believer document the release of ANYTHING after the Warren Commission volumes that *helped* the Warren Commission's case?" -- B. Holmes
>
> I then posted various quotes and conclusions

Yep... there's your problem.

You can't read.

The issue is NEW RELEASES OF **EVIDENCE** IN THIS CASE.

You snipped the context that showed exactly that. Which shows a consciousness of guilt on your part... YOU KNEW THAT YOU WERE LYING!

> reached by EACH of the committees and panels that FOLLOWED the Warren Commission.....with EACH conclusion and quote most definitely "helping" (i.e., buttressing) the Lone Assassin conclusions also reached by the WC.

Actually, even *YOUR* misinterpretation is quite faulty. The Clark Panel changed the wound locations, the HSCA found a probable conspiracy.

> But, just as I predicted, Ben, being the type of scumbag we all know he is, decided to move the goalposts and limit his inquiry to INDIVIDUAL DOCUMENTS that have been released since 1964.

That *was* the topic...

You know, October 2017... what's going to be released...

> But that's NOT what Ben asked for. He asked for "ANYTHING". And "ANYTHING" can most certainly include the final reports (and CONCLUSIONS) reached by every U.S. Governmant panel that has existed since the WC.

ANYTHING that was released... yes, that's true. But even the "conclusions" you cite all disputed the Warren Commission's theory in significant ways.

> And, as I proved via the quotes I posted above, EVERY panel that has convened since the WC has concluded (without doubt) that JFK was shot ONLY FROM BEHIND and was hit by just TWO BULLETS.
>
> What I'd like to see a CTer provide is a list of documents (or findings) that really DO support a conspiracy in the JFK case. (And I mean *REALLY* and *TRULY* support it. Not just speculation about the documents "supporting" a conspiracy.) To date, I've seen no such documents whatsoever! None. Not one.

They were published for the most part by the Warren Commission. But, of course, this isn't the issue.

> So, Ben, here's a challenge --- provide SPECIFIC LINKS to the documents that you think support the conclusion of "conspiracy" in the JFK murder case. I've asked Jim DiEugenio for such a link list for years, and have yet to have Jimbo provide even a single link to a single document. He just ignores my repeated requests for such documentation.

This is known as the "moving goalpost" fallacy.

And I'll be happy to answer it - JUST AS SOON AS YOU PROVIDE CITATIONS TO EVIDENCE RELEASED AFTER THE WARREN COMMISSION THAT HELPED RATHER THAN HINDERED THE WARREN COMMISSION'S THEORY.

In other words, you can't deflect your failure to answer by changing the topic.


(Indeed, I have a cite ready to post)

> Maybe Holmes will have better luck. But I know he won't, because no such document(s) exist -- except in the minds of conspiracy theorists.

You *often* make unsupported claims like this...