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Ben Holmes
Apr 4, 2018, 11:23:52 AM4/4/18
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> 9.) Not ONE SPECK of any bullets/bullet fragments/bullet shells OTHER
> THAN THOSE COMING FROM OSWALD'S 6.5-MILLIMETER MANNLICHER-CARCANO
> RIFLE were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the
> TSBD, Parkland Hospital, or in the victims.
> This item, to me, is simply impossible for conspiracy advocates to
> overcome, IF there had been (as some claim) up to 3 firing teams and 4
> to 10 shots fired at JFK on November 22nd. For, HOW could every single
> scrap of ballistics evidence be completely eradicated from the two (or
> more!) non-Oswald weapons almost immediately after the event? Couldn't
> have been accomplished by even Kreskin.
Although David's item #9 is longer, it's unnecessary to quote it
completely - as the point is made with what was quoted.
For the first and only time, David tries to argue for a *single*
assassin, but can only do so by lying.
There *were* other bullets & fragments found... that's simply a fact
that anyone can verify for themselves. Simply Google "Bullets Found In
Dealey Plaza" or"Extra Bullets And Missed Shot,", and David's
assertion comes tumbling down to be revealed for the lie that it is.
And once any honest person admits that evidence for other bullets in
Dealey Plaza existed, then David's claim is demonstrated to be a lie.
But David knows all this - it's simply beyond possibility that he's
not run across evidence for other shooters having shot in Dealey
Plaza, David simply wants to support the Warren Commission's theory.
Sadly, the only way that this can be done is by lying.
And this is why David will not respond here, defending his provable
lie... and why stump will desperately dive in, hoping against hope
that he can spatter enough BS to cover up the fact that David lied.
Interestingly, the known theory as proposed by the Warren Commission
proves David a liar... he knows that one bullet out of "3 shots" was
never found... yet claims that one missing bullet out of "4 shots"
would be an impossibility... WHAT A FOOL!
> THAN THOSE COMING FROM OSWALD'S 6.5-MILLIMETER MANNLICHER-CARCANO
> RIFLE were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the
> TSBD, Parkland Hospital, or in the victims.
> This item, to me, is simply impossible for conspiracy advocates to
> overcome, IF there had been (as some claim) up to 3 firing teams and 4
> to 10 shots fired at JFK on November 22nd. For, HOW could every single
> scrap of ballistics evidence be completely eradicated from the two (or
> more!) non-Oswald weapons almost immediately after the event? Couldn't
> have been accomplished by even Kreskin.
Although David's item #9 is longer, it's unnecessary to quote it
completely - as the point is made with what was quoted.
For the first and only time, David tries to argue for a *single*
assassin, but can only do so by lying.
There *were* other bullets & fragments found... that's simply a fact
that anyone can verify for themselves. Simply Google "Bullets Found In
Dealey Plaza" or"Extra Bullets And Missed Shot,", and David's
assertion comes tumbling down to be revealed for the lie that it is.
And once any honest person admits that evidence for other bullets in
Dealey Plaza existed, then David's claim is demonstrated to be a lie.
But David knows all this - it's simply beyond possibility that he's
not run across evidence for other shooters having shot in Dealey
Plaza, David simply wants to support the Warren Commission's theory.
Sadly, the only way that this can be done is by lying.
And this is why David will not respond here, defending his provable
lie... and why stump will desperately dive in, hoping against hope
that he can spatter enough BS to cover up the fact that David lied.
Interestingly, the known theory as proposed by the Warren Commission
proves David a liar... he knows that one bullet out of "3 shots" was
never found... yet claims that one missing bullet out of "4 shots"
would be an impossibility... WHAT A FOOL!
Ben Holmes
Apr 6, 2018, 6:55:08 PM4/6/18
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But what's truly funny, is that something VERY UNUSUAL has happened...
stump has remained silent.
Bud
Apr 6, 2018, 9:12:31 PM4/6/18
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Ben Holmes
Apr 6, 2018, 9:17:08 PM4/6/18
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 18:12:30 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
>Anyone notice that I'm retarded, lurkers? I don`t read these
because he hasn't answered.
Meanwhile, David remains AWOL.
wrote:
>things until I intend to respond, that way they stay in boldface
>(unread) until I get in the mood to writing responses. Right now by my
> count there are 46 posts that I "owe" a response to that remain in
> boldface. These are all ones that I haven`t read Ben`s response (or
> more likely "nonresponse") in. I respond to as many as I feel like
> when I feel like it.
stump gets his chain yanked, so he whines that he hasn't answered
>(unread) until I get in the mood to writing responses. Right now by my
> count there are 46 posts that I "owe" a response to that remain in
> boldface. These are all ones that I haven`t read Ben`s response (or
> more likely "nonresponse") in. I respond to as many as I feel like
> when I feel like it.
because he hasn't answered.
Meanwhile, David remains AWOL.
Bud
Apr 6, 2018, 9:22:18 PM4/6/18
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On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > 9.) Not ONE SPECK of any bullets/bullet fragments/bullet shells OTHER
> > THAN THOSE COMING FROM OSWALD'S 6.5-MILLIMETER MANNLICHER-CARCANO
> > RIFLE were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the
> > TSBD, Parkland Hospital, or in the victims.
>
> > This item, to me, is simply impossible for conspiracy advocates to
> > overcome, IF there had been (as some claim) up to 3 firing teams and 4
> > to 10 shots fired at JFK on November 22nd. For, HOW could every single
> > scrap of ballistics evidence be completely eradicated from the two (or
> > more!) non-Oswald weapons almost immediately after the event? Couldn't
> > have been accomplished by even Kreskin.
>
> Although David's item #9 is longer, it's unnecessary to quote it
> completely - as the point is made with what was quoted.
>
> For the first and only time, David tries to argue for a *single*
> assassin, but can only do so by lying.
>
> There *were* other bullets & fragments found... that's simply a fact
> that anyone can verify for themselves. Simply Google "Bullets Found In
> Dealey Plaza" or"Extra Bullets And Missed Shot,", and David's
> assertion comes tumbling down to be revealed for the lie that it is.
Let Ben show these bullets, lurkers. Until he can is is just more bluff and bluster.
> > 9.) Not ONE SPECK of any bullets/bullet fragments/bullet shells OTHER
> > THAN THOSE COMING FROM OSWALD'S 6.5-MILLIMETER MANNLICHER-CARCANO
> > RIFLE were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the
> > TSBD, Parkland Hospital, or in the victims.
>
> > This item, to me, is simply impossible for conspiracy advocates to
> > overcome, IF there had been (as some claim) up to 3 firing teams and 4
> > to 10 shots fired at JFK on November 22nd. For, HOW could every single
> > scrap of ballistics evidence be completely eradicated from the two (or
> > more!) non-Oswald weapons almost immediately after the event? Couldn't
> > have been accomplished by even Kreskin.
>
> Although David's item #9 is longer, it's unnecessary to quote it
> completely - as the point is made with what was quoted.
>
> For the first and only time, David tries to argue for a *single*
> assassin, but can only do so by lying.
>
> There *were* other bullets & fragments found... that's simply a fact
> that anyone can verify for themselves. Simply Google "Bullets Found In
> Dealey Plaza" or"Extra Bullets And Missed Shot,", and David's
> assertion comes tumbling down to be revealed for the lie that it is.
> And once any honest person admits that evidence for other bullets in
> Dealey Plaza existed, then David's claim is demonstrated to be a lie.
> But David knows all this - it's simply beyond possibility that he's
> not run across evidence for other shooters having shot in Dealey
> Plaza, David simply wants to support the Warren Commission's theory.
> Sadly, the only way that this can be done is by lying.
>
> And this is why David will not respond here, defending his provable
> lie... and why stump will desperately dive in, hoping against hope
> that he can spatter enough BS to cover up the fact that David lied.
> Interestingly, the known theory as proposed by the Warren Commission
> proves David a liar... he knows that one bullet out of "3 shots" was
> never found... yet claims that one missing bullet out of "4 shots"
> would be an impossibility... WHAT A FOOL!
David Von Pein
Apr 6, 2018, 11:19:42 PM4/6/18
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Re: the topic of "Other Bullets & Shell Casings Found Near Dealey Plaza"....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/12/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-103.html
It's easy to see the craziness of purporting that the first three items on Caprio's list above could have been associated with the JFK shooting----unless the CT kooks now want to say that it's likely that AFTER those bullets were fired at JFK, they somehow managed to bounce up onto various rooftops and overpasses. But, hey, I guess anything is possible in the strange world of CTers. Right, Ben?
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/12/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-103.html
It's easy to see the craziness of purporting that the first three items on Caprio's list above could have been associated with the JFK shooting----unless the CT kooks now want to say that it's likely that AFTER those bullets were fired at JFK, they somehow managed to bounce up onto various rooftops and overpasses. But, hey, I guess anything is possible in the strange world of CTers. Right, Ben?
Ben Holmes
Apr 7, 2018, 11:27:49 AM4/7/18
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 20:19:41 -0700 (PDT), David Von Pein
<davev...@aol.com> wrote:
>Re: the topic of "Other Bullets & Shell Casings Found Near Dealey Plaza"....
>
<davev...@aol.com> wrote:
>Re: the topic of "Other Bullets & Shell Casings Found Near Dealey Plaza"....
>
> It's easy to see the craziness of purporting that the first three
> items on Caprio's list above could have been associated with the JFK
> shooting----unless the CT kooks now want to say that it's likely that
> AFTER those bullets were fired at JFK, they somehow managed to bounce
> up onto various rooftops and overpasses. But, hey, I guess anything is
> possible in the strange world of CTers. Right, Ben?
David's been caught in a lie, and the only way he has to address that
> items on Caprio's list above could have been associated with the JFK
> shooting----unless the CT kooks now want to say that it's likely that
> AFTER those bullets were fired at JFK, they somehow managed to bounce
> up onto various rooftops and overpasses. But, hey, I guess anything is
> possible in the strange world of CTers. Right, Ben?
lie is to whine about someone *ELSE*!!!
Be a man, David.
Correct your outright lies.
Can't you defend the Warren Commission without lying?
Bud
Apr 7, 2018, 2:51:29 PM4/7/18
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> Meanwhile, David remains AWOL.
Ben Holmes
Apr 12, 2018, 5:55:36 PM4/12/18
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 18:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
>On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> > 9.) Not ONE SPECK of any bullets/bullet fragments/bullet shells OTHER
>> > THAN THOSE COMING FROM OSWALD'S 6.5-MILLIMETER MANNLICHER-CARCANO
>> > RIFLE were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the
>> > TSBD, Parkland Hospital, or in the victims.
>>
>> > This item, to me, is simply impossible for conspiracy advocates to
>> > overcome, IF there had been (as some claim) up to 3 firing teams and 4
>> > to 10 shots fired at JFK on November 22nd. For, HOW could every single
>> > scrap of ballistics evidence be completely eradicated from the two (or
>> > more!) non-Oswald weapons almost immediately after the event? Couldn't
>> > have been accomplished by even Kreskin.
>>
>> Although David's item #9 is longer, it's unnecessary to quote it
>> completely - as the point is made with what was quoted.
>>
>> For the first and only time, David tries to argue for a *single*
>> assassin, but can only do so by lying.
>>
>> There *were* other bullets & fragments found... that's simply a fact
>> that anyone can verify for themselves. Simply Google "Bullets Found In
>> Dealey Plaza" or"Extra Bullets And Missed Shot,", and David's
>> assertion comes tumbling down to be revealed for the lie that it is.
>
> Let Ben show these bullets, lurkers. Until he can is is just more
> bluff and bluster.
Come on by, and I'll show 'em to you. I hope you're familiar with that
old magician's trick of catching them in your teeth.
If you're too stupid to find them as I showed above,then come on by,
and I'll be happy to let you have as many of my bullets as you can
catch.
>> And once any honest person admits that evidence for other bullets in
>> Dealey Plaza existed, then David's claim is demonstrated to be a lie.
>
> The real bullets and fragments in evidence are tied to the real
> rifle in evidence. The imaginary bullets and fragments not in evidence
> are all ties to the imaginary rifles not in evidence, lurkers.
You're lying again, stump.
Remember, I specified "any HONEST person..."
>> But David knows all this - it's simply beyond possibility that he's
>> not run across evidence for other shooters having shot in Dealey
>> Plaza, David simply wants to support the Warren Commission's theory.
>
> What evidence, lurkers?
You're lying again, stump.
>> Sadly, the only way that this can be done is by lying.
>>
>> And this is why David will not respond here, defending his provable
>> lie... and why stump will desperately dive in, hoping against hope
>> that he can spatter enough BS to cover up the fact that David lied.
>
> I'm a Retard that hates the truth, lurkers, what can matter less?
Can't defend David's lie this way...
>> Interestingly, the known theory as proposed by the Warren Commission
>> proves David a liar... he knows that one bullet out of "3 shots" was
>> never found... yet claims that one missing bullet out of "4 shots"
>> would be an impossibility... WHAT A FOOL!
>
> Strawman argument, lurkers.
Define "strawman."
But you won't.
wrote:
>On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> > 9.) Not ONE SPECK of any bullets/bullet fragments/bullet shells OTHER
>> > THAN THOSE COMING FROM OSWALD'S 6.5-MILLIMETER MANNLICHER-CARCANO
>> > RIFLE were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the
>> > TSBD, Parkland Hospital, or in the victims.
>>
>> > This item, to me, is simply impossible for conspiracy advocates to
>> > overcome, IF there had been (as some claim) up to 3 firing teams and 4
>> > to 10 shots fired at JFK on November 22nd. For, HOW could every single
>> > scrap of ballistics evidence be completely eradicated from the two (or
>> > more!) non-Oswald weapons almost immediately after the event? Couldn't
>> > have been accomplished by even Kreskin.
>>
>> Although David's item #9 is longer, it's unnecessary to quote it
>> completely - as the point is made with what was quoted.
>>
>> For the first and only time, David tries to argue for a *single*
>> assassin, but can only do so by lying.
>>
>> There *were* other bullets & fragments found... that's simply a fact
>> that anyone can verify for themselves. Simply Google "Bullets Found In
>> Dealey Plaza" or"Extra Bullets And Missed Shot,", and David's
>> assertion comes tumbling down to be revealed for the lie that it is.
>
> Let Ben show these bullets, lurkers. Until he can is is just more
> bluff and bluster.
old magician's trick of catching them in your teeth.
If you're too stupid to find them as I showed above,then come on by,
and I'll be happy to let you have as many of my bullets as you can
catch.
>> And once any honest person admits that evidence for other bullets in
>> Dealey Plaza existed, then David's claim is demonstrated to be a lie.
>
> The real bullets and fragments in evidence are tied to the real
> rifle in evidence. The imaginary bullets and fragments not in evidence
> are all ties to the imaginary rifles not in evidence, lurkers.
Remember, I specified "any HONEST person..."
>> But David knows all this - it's simply beyond possibility that he's
>> not run across evidence for other shooters having shot in Dealey
>> Plaza, David simply wants to support the Warren Commission's theory.
>
> What evidence, lurkers?
>> Sadly, the only way that this can be done is by lying.
>>
>> And this is why David will not respond here, defending his provable
>> lie... and why stump will desperately dive in, hoping against hope
>> that he can spatter enough BS to cover up the fact that David lied.
>
Can't defend David's lie this way...
>> Interestingly, the known theory as proposed by the Warren Commission
>> proves David a liar... he knows that one bullet out of "3 shots" was
>> never found... yet claims that one missing bullet out of "4 shots"
>> would be an impossibility... WHAT A FOOL!
>
> Strawman argument, lurkers.
But you won't.
Ben Holmes
Apr 12, 2018, 5:55:36 PM4/12/18
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 11:51:28 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
> I suppose Ben was going through withdraw because I hadn`t admitted
> being a "retard" in a while, lurkers.
An intelligent person would have long since learned...
>> Meanwhile, David remains AWOL.
And *still* AWOL. David has learned a valuable lesson in previous
debates... he's learned that he knows far less about the evidence in
this case than I do - and he's learned that he simply doesn't have the
skill & knowledge to debate the topic. stump still hasn't learned that
lesson.
> being a "retard" in a while, lurkers.
An intelligent person would have long since learned...
>> Meanwhile, David remains AWOL.
And *still* AWOL. David has learned a valuable lesson in previous
debates... he's learned that he knows far less about the evidence in
this case than I do - and he's learned that he simply doesn't have the
skill & knowledge to debate the topic. stump still hasn't learned that
lesson.
Bud
Apr 13, 2018, 8:32:20 PM4/13/18
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> >> And once any honest person admits that evidence for other bullets in
> >> Dealey Plaza existed, then David's claim is demonstrated to be a lie.
> >
> > The real bullets and fragments in evidence are tied to the real
> > rifle in evidence. The imaginary bullets and fragments not in evidence
> > are all ties to the imaginary rifles not in evidence, lurkers.
>
>
> You're lying again, stump.
>
> Remember, I specified "any HONEST person..."
> >> But David knows all this - it's simply beyond possibility that he's
> >> not run across evidence for other shooters having shot in Dealey
> >> Plaza, David simply wants to support the Warren Commission's theory.
> >
> > What evidence, lurkers?
>
>
> You're lying again, stump.
> >> Sadly, the only way that this can be done is by lying.
> >>
> >> And this is why David will not respond here, defending his provable
> >> lie... and why stump will desperately dive in, hoping against hope
> >> that he can spatter enough BS to cover up the fact that David lied.
> >
> > I'm a Retard that hates the truth, lurkers, what can matter less?
>
>
> Can't defend David's lie this way...
>
> >> Interestingly, the known theory as proposed by the Warren Commission
> >> proves David a liar... he knows that one bullet out of "3 shots" was
> >> never found... yet claims that one missing bullet out of "4 shots"
> >> would be an impossibility... WHAT A FOOL!
> >
> > Strawman argument, lurkers.
>
> Define "strawman."
> But you won't.
For the lurkers...
"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent."
Bud
Apr 13, 2018, 8:34:25 PM4/13/18
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Ben Holmes
Apr 23, 2018, 10:54:49 AM4/23/18
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 17:32:19 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
What I just produced is evidence of your cowardice.
Ben Holmes
Apr 23, 2018, 10:54:49 AM4/23/18
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 17:34:24 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
But stump is clearly not that person...
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