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David Von Pein

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Dec 23, 2009, 2:15:18 PM12/23/09
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Hi Bud,

I'm absolutely positive I know the answer to this question already,
but I'm going to ask it anyway (because so far you haven't added any
comments to the forum threads concerning this subject):

I was just wondering what your opinions are of Doug Horne and his
theories (some of which I have outlined in my posts about Horne)?

Thanks.

David V.P.

Bud

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:20:16 PM12/23/09
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Well, David, you need to understand that I`m no great student of
the assassination. I don`t think I`ve ever read a book about it (I`ve
read portions of maybe ten books). The first time Horne really entered
my consciousness was last week when I went on the Mary Ferrell site,
and they said that his apparently sizable work was available for 75
bucks, I think. From snippets here and there I gathered that he worked
on the ARRP, or whateverthefrick it was. I breezed through your
article on Horne, and your first quote (about Humes doctoring
Kennedy`s wounds) convinced me I had no reason to pay any attention to
this guy. He is a kook, and he wrote a book for other kooks. I was
thinking a little how a reputable person can end up down that rabbit
hole, I think it`s a slippery slope, once you start thinking that
"this could have happened", that leads to "that could have happened",
and pretty soon you lose all ability to think critically or
realistically.

Basically, I only read here and in the moderated group, I don`t
follow the state of conspiracy on the larger stage, I know some of the
names by them being dropped here. I usually only look into issues
raised by kooks on the two forums frequent and I tend to stay away
from the medical aspects (they seem a morass).

Kooks will buy Horne`s book because they are desperate for
justification for the things they want to believe. This is why they
buy every book that comes out. When it comes down to it, it really
doesn`t matter what these kooks think.

One question I do have now is whether Horne`s book contains a
shooting scenario. Easy to criticize others work, but is Horne putting
something on the table to replace it with, a viable shooting scenario
that satisfies his reading of the evidence?

Anyway, I hope this answers your question, David.

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aeffects

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Dec 23, 2009, 5:21:36 PM12/23/09
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On Dec 23, 1:20 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 2:15 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bud,
>
> > I'm absolutely positive I know the answer to this question already,
> > but I'm going to ask it anyway (because so far you haven't added any
> > comments to the forum threads concerning this subject):
>
> > I was just wondering what your opinions are of Doug Horne and his
> > theories (some of which I have outlined in my posts about Horne)?
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > David V.P.
>
>    Well, David, you need to understand that I`m no great student of
> the assassination.

just another wannabe wanker that's all David.... A troll that trails
behind another shithead..... useless!

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David Von Pein

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Dec 23, 2009, 5:55:38 PM12/23/09
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>>> "Anyway, I hope this answers your question, David." <<<

It certainly does, Bud. Thank you.

As for Doug Horne's "shooting scenario", I'm not exactly sure what his
shooting scenario is, but from the pages of his five volumes I've been
able to read at Amazon, I know that Horne believes in the following
fantasies:

1.) Lee Oswald positively did not shoot JFK. (I'm not sure if Horne
thinks Oswald shot Tippit or not, but given Horne's track record for
believing in very stupid stuff, my likely guess would be that he
doesn't think LHO is guilty of Tippit's murder either. If he does
believe that Oswald shot and killed Officer J.D. Tippit, I'd be very,
very surprised.)

Tippit Footnote -- Via a word search while using Amazon.com's "Look
Inside This Book" tool, I could find only two references to the name
"Tippit" in all 5 volumes of Horne's book combined, and neither
reference deals with the issue of whether Horne believes Oswald
actually shot Tippit. However, not every single page of all five
volumes is available to view for free at Amazon, so it's possible that
Tippit's name does surface more than just twice in Horne's book.

But I will also add this: the two "Tippit" references that I did find
actually are attached to two pages of the book that are not available
to view (in full) at Amazon--pages 211 and 215 of Volume 4. So, based
on that fact, I'm wondering if Tippit's name does come up more than
just those two times throughout the entire 2,000-plus-page tome.
~shrug~

2.) Horne definitely thinks that JFK was killed in a "crossfire", with
shots being fired from multiple directions, both front and rear.

3.) Quoting Horne in Volume 4 of his book series:

"Attempting to explain how the President was killed in Dealey
Plaza is unavoidable, but I caution the reader up-front that a precise
explanation of every shot that struck President Kennedy, in an
environment in which so much evidence is tainted, is impossible. ....

"Once the researcher is convinced that the President was killed
by multiple shooters in a crossfire--and through this, understands
that he was killed by a conspiracy--the precise details of how that
shooting occurred become irrelevant.

"Of equal or greater importance than understanding that
President Kennedy was killed by a crossfire, is understanding that the
Federal government covered up the facts of his death, in the most
brazen and outrageous manipulation of physical evidence in any murder
case in American history." -- Douglas P. Horne; Page 987 of "Inside
The Assassination Records Review Board" (Volume 4)(©2009)

http://www.Amazon.com/gp/reader/0984314431/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link

After reading only selected portions of Doug Horne's new 2009 book, I
completely agree with these sentiments expressed by Bud earlier today:

"He [Douglas P. Horne] is a kook, and he wrote a book for other
kooks. .... Kooks will buy Horne's book because they are desperate for
justification for the things they want to believe." -- Bud; 12/23/09

Bud

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Dec 23, 2009, 7:01:54 PM12/23/09
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Yet the retards expect the LN to do this very thing. LN theories
like the "magic bullet" are expected to be precise in all ways
(wounds, trajectory, shape of bulet, ect).

> "Once the researcher is convinced that the President was killed
> by multiple shooters in a crossfire--and through this, understands
> that he was killed by a conspiracy--the precise details of how that
> shooting occurred become irrelevant.

<snicker> Just the cop-out i would expect. And of course it is the
investigations fault that the kooks can`t construct a viable shooting
scenario. But if the evidence is so "tainted", how can he make
positive determinations about a "crossfire"?

But I knew he wouldn`t put anything on the table, kooks never do,
they prefer to criticize other people`s work. When pressed to produce
something that actually makes sense, they hem and haw like Horne does
here.

> "Of equal or greater importance than understanding that
> President Kennedy was killed by a crossfire, is understanding that the
> Federal government covered up the facts of his death, in the most
> brazen and outrageous manipulation of physical evidence in any murder
> case in American history." -- Douglas P. Horne; Page 987 of "Inside
> The Assassination Records Review Board" (Volume 4)(©2009)
>
> http://www.Amazon.com/gp/reader/0984314431/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link
>
> After reading only selected portions of Doug Horne's new 2009 book, I
> completely agree with these sentiments expressed by Bud earlier today:
>
> "He [Douglas P. Horne] is a kook, and he wrote a book for other
> kooks. .... Kooks will buy Horne's book because they are desperate for
> justification for the things they want to believe." -- Bud; 12/23/09

Yah, once you have someone pegged, it`s easier to dismiss them out
of hand.

Bud

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Dec 24, 2009, 10:12:18 AM12/24/09
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On Dec 23, 5:21 pm, aeffects <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 1:20 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 23, 2:15 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi Bud,
>
> > > I'm absolutely positive I know the answer to this question already,
> > > but I'm going to ask it anyway (because so far you haven't added any
> > > comments to the forum threads concerning this subject):
>
> > > I was just wondering what your opinions are of Doug Horne and his
> > > theories (some of which I have outlined in my posts about Horne)?
>
> > > Thanks.
>
> > > David V.P.
>
> > Well, David, you need to understand that I`m no great student of
> > the assassination.
>
> just another wannabe wanker that's all David.... A troll that trails
> behind another shithead..... useless!

Hey, look kids, it`s Healy the Red Nosed Retard!


Healy the red nosed retard, had a very shiny nose,

And if you ever saw him,

He was shooting drugs with tranny hos.

All of the other posters,

Used to laugh and call him names,

But Healy was such a retard,

He could only respond with the lamest flames.


Ha! Merry Christmas you fucking Junkie!

David Von Pein

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Dec 24, 2009, 10:48:31 AM12/24/09
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LOL.

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