Yes, I'm baaaaaaaaaaack, DVP (please read)
SecretServiceguy
like a knife LOL :O)
Yes, it is true that a) I was a fervent believer in a conspiracy in
JFK's death from approx. 1978 to early 2007 and b) that I changed my
mind via Vincent Bugliosi's MASTERPIECE, "Reclaiming History", THE
best Oswald-did-it book---and one of the best books ever---on the JFK
assassination (although I DID still believe there WERE conspiracies
[plural] to kill Kennedy...just that Oswald beat them all to the punch
and, as Vince Bugliosi even acknowledges, the Secret Service were
grossly negligent).
Why people care so much about my opinion is both flattering and
bemusing---WHO GIVES A ^%^$$#!!!!! It is a free country and everyone
is entitled to one (and you know what they say about opinions LOL...).
That said, for the record: I am back to believing there was a
conspiracy, thanks largely to Douglas Horne's amazing new books
[again, PLURAL]!
FANTASTIC ANALOGY THAT I REALLY LIKE AND ALOT OF PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO
(50-60% divorce rate...and I, myself, am twice divorced LOL):
My first marriage=belief in conspiracy...
my second marriage=change of heart.
Now, didn't I (and millions of once married people) love their wife
once upon a time? Wasn't it legit? Does anything that transpires AFTER
negate the sincerity of those feelings for the time? Of course not.
When I and millions of other second-timers married again, THOSE
feelings were sincere and legit, as well; everything--and everyone---
lives in the context of the times (pre-June 1994: O.J. Simpson was
just a great football player, pre-November 2009, Tiger Woods was an
untainted Golf star..get it? LOL).
Now, when I got divorced again, along came...
New girlfriend=back to belief in conspiracy, albeit somewhat different
view.
DVP WROTE:
"In one of the articles I mention Vincent Palamara's name. It seems
that Palamara has now decided to stab Mr. Bugliosi in the gut (so to
speak) via his admission that he still believes in a conspiracy in
the
JFK case (despite his apparent total switch to "LNism" in 2007 after
reading Mr. Bugliosi's book). ----HUH? THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY. ONE IS
NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE THEIR MIND????? I HAVE ENORMOUS RESPECT FOR
VINCE BUGLIOSI AND HIS BOOK (S). USING THE ANALOGY ABOVE, NO ONE IS
PERMITED TO MARRY AGAIN---HEY, YOU SWORE A BLOOD OATH TO THE FIRST ONE
LOL
To tell you the truth, Rosemary, I always knew that Palamara wasn't
really ever completely "converted" into a lone-assassin believer.
LOL
This
became obvious to me when I saw that Palamara was continuing to write
5-star reviews at Amazon.com for pro-conspiracy books many months
after he went on record endorsing Bugliosi's book (such as Palamara's
glowing review in 2008 of Jim Douglass' book).
JIM DOUGLASS WROTE A GREAT BOOK. GEEZ, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SOVIET-
INSPIRED DOCTRINE TO FOLLOW NOW??? :o)
It's just a shame that Mr. Bugliosi placed so much faith in
Palamara's
supposed "turnaround" into an LNer.
I SINCERELY DOUBT HE DID. CIRCA EARLY 2007, MY BOOK BLURB WAS 100%
(NOT EVEN 99%) SINCERE...USING MY OJ ANALOGY, THIS WOULD BE TANTAMOUNT
TO SAYING "VINCE, YOU'RE A REAL JERK: I HAVE THIS *1993* ARTICLE OF
YOURS WHEREIN YOU STATE WHAT A WONDERFUL PERSON OJ IS--YOU CREEP!!"
AGAIN, CONTEXT/ CONVICTION OF---AND AT---THE TIME :o)
I winced when I saw Palamara's
positive review for "Reclaiming History" appear in VB's 2008 follow-
up
volume, "Four Days In November". Because now, as of late 2009, that
pro-LN blurb for "RH" appears to be totally phony.
NOPE---SEE ABOVE
I've known for several years now that Palamara (in my own opinion)
appears to be a person who seemingly doesn't know which side of the
JFK fence he wants to reside on.
HMMM: AS OF 2005-2007ISH, GUILTY AS CHARGED---I WAS RIPE FOR THE
TAKING WHEN VINCE'S MASTERFUL BOOK CAME OUT [YES, YOU *CAN* HAVE YOUR
CAKE AND EAT IT. I KNOW LOTS OF PRO-CONSPIRACY PEOPLE WHON LOVE
RICHARD TRASK'S BOOKS...AND HE IS A LONE NUTTER ALL THE
WAY...SO? :o) ]
His #1 goal, it seems, is to have his
name show up in as many JFK books as possible.
WELL, NOT #1, BUT IT IS KINDA COOL LOL :o)
And I fear that was his
main motivation for vigorously supporting Mr. Bugliosi's "Reclaiming
History" in 2007. That's kind of sad, but probably true.
100% FALSE
Again, that's just my own personal opinion about Mr. Palamara's
possible motivations. I admit, I could be 100% wrong about that.
YOU ARE:o)
But
that's the feeling I get from reading his non-stop self-promoting
articles and blurbs that appear at many Internet locations.
NOPE, THAT'S JUST MY EGO GETTING IN THE WAY LOL [WHEN PEOPLE MEET ME
IN PERSON, THEY ALWAYS SAY "GEE, YOU DON'T SEEM ANYWHERE NEAR AS
EGOTISTICAL AS YOU DO ONLINE" LOL :o) :o) LIFE IS SHORT---HISTORY
BELONGS TO THOSE WHO WRITE IT...AND YOU MUST PUBLICIZE YOUR OWN GOOD
WORKS THESE DAYS
Anyway, I just wanted to share these articles with you and Vince B.
(as I recall, you told me a couple of years ago that Vince B. wanted
me to "keep him informed" on anything new that might come up on the
JFK-related Internet forums, so I'm doing that now).
:o)
Thanks. And Happy Holidays to both you and Mr. B.
Here are the links (plus a video made by Vincent Palamara, in which
he
declares himself to be a conspiracy believer once again): "
LOL
Vince Palamara :O)
Gil Jesus
I don't think you owe any explanations to anyone, Vince.
Either way, you're entitled to believe whatever you want to believe
and anyone who doesn't like it ( i.e. the Flat Earth Society ), can go
suck an egg.
PS: You really broke their hearts.
Gil
Chuck Schuyler
<snip>
I'm curious as to what you believe happened now, Vince.
What did VB/RH miss or get wrong?
I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.
David Von Pein
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/59b037514a801633
Gee, what a convoluted mess of a post Vincent Palamara's thread-
starter is here [linked above], as he attempts to HAVE IT BOTH WAYS --
he wants to believe that Vince Bugliosi's JFK book is a "masterpiece",
but at the very same time he is now "back to believing there was a
conspiracy, thanks largely to Douglas Horne's amazing new books" [V.
Palamara; 12/15/09].
Talk about contradictory thinking....Mr. Palamara's got it.
In order to believe in ANY of the conspiracy-tinged nonsense that
Douglas Horne believes in, a person must AUTOMATICALLY disbelieve the
things that Vincent T. Bugliosi believes in.
And Mr. Palamara's "marriage" analogy is simply a howl. Marriage isn't
akin to the JFK assassination situation at all. Not even close.
Either Lee Oswald killed Kennedy alone (as Bugliosi posits) or he
didn't (as Horne posits). You cannot believe that BOTH Bugliosi's and
Horne's versions of the JFK story are true. They are like water and
oil. They cannot co-exist.
It makes me wonder if Vince Palamara will soon give some credence to
Brian David Andersen's conspiracy theory about how JFK faked his own
death. Only time will tell. It depends on which direction the wind is
blowing on any particular day, it would seem.
In short, it appears that Vince Palamara's opinions regarding the John
F. Kennedy murder case are about as steady as the colors of a
chameleon.
aeffects
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/59b037514a801633
>
> Gee, what a convoluted mess of a post Vincent Palamara's thread-
> starter is here [linked above], as he attempts to HAVE IT BOTH WAYS --
> he wants to believe that Vince Bugliosi's JFK book is a "masterpiece",
boat anchor - masterpiece? LMFAO!
> but at the very same time he is now "back to believing there was a
> conspiracy, thanks largely to Douglas Horne's amazing new books" [V.
> Palamara; 12/15/09].
>
> Talk about contradictory thinking....Mr. Palamara's got it.
>
> In order to believe in ANY of the conspiracy-tinged nonsense that
> Douglas Horne believes in, a person must AUTOMATICALLY disbelieve the
> things that Vincent T. Bugliosi believes in.
>
> And Mr. Palamara's "marriage" analogy is simply a howl. Marriage isn't
> akin to the JFK assassination situation at all. Not even close.
we have to read no further, you live in a room with your brother, in
your mothers house and your discussing and evaluating MARRIAGE and
analogies of same..... give us a break shithead.....
<snip the remaining lone nut lunacy>
and remember hon, no advertising!
lazu...@webtv.net
wrote most of it......not! Good to have you back, think Horne and
Tannenbaum are the 2 most impressive people I've met in all this. A
blight on our nation that our best couldn't have been special
prosecutors on all this...laz
Walt
I'm not particularly interested in hearing the opinion of a person
that can't use his own brain to solve problems. I'll readily admit
that the assassinion case is overflowing with bullshit, but I can't
understand why any intelligent person can't use the basic facts and
arrive at a solution. I am at a loss to understand why a person who
seems to be intelligent has to rely on the Warren Commission, or
others to present a solution for him.
David Von Pein
http://www.Amazon.com/review/R1BVH7FGVKQRP9/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie=UTF8&cdMsgNo=14&cdPage=2&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=Mx52HL6YOJ0251#Mx52HL6YOJ0251
>>> "Did you read [Vincent] Palamara's review? He didn't say that both books ["Reclaiming History" and "Inside The ARRB"] are "correct" or that both books are "true". He said Bugliosi's book presents a good case (after all, Bugliosi is a former prosecutor, it should), cleans up a bunch of junk and it is still a terrific book, but Horne's book trumps it." <<<
The plain and simple fact is: Vince Palamara cannot believe that BOTH
Vincent Bugliosi's and Doug Horne's books contain the TRUTH. The books
are 100% in opposition to each other, and yet Palamara is endorsing
BOTH books as being a "masterpiece" (Bugliosi's) and worthy of winning
the "Pulitzer Prize" (Horne's).
Please tell me how on this round Earth of ours that Vincent M.
Palamara can possibly believe that both of those books (which are as
far apart regarding their conclusions in the JFK case as east is from
west) are worthy of equal praise AT THE EXACT SAME TIME?
In short, Mr. Palamara doesn't know what he wants to believe. Whenever
a new JFK-assassination book comes along, he's ready and eager to
endorse it, regardless of what the contents are (as long as he's
listed in the index, of course). And, btw, he is listed in Horne's
index (in 2 of Horne's 5 volumes). I know that's a fact because Mr.
Palamara, as usual, was boasting about having his name in Horne's
books, at the Amazon.com "Listmania" list linked below:
http://www.Amazon.com/Douglas-Horne-THE-MOST-IMPORTANT-JFK-ASSASSINATION-BOOKS/lm/R1QV0TISDMHLVN
cdddraftsman
> http://www.Amazon.com/review/R1BVH7FGVKQRP9/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie...
>
> http://www.Amazon.com/review/R1BVH7FGVKQRP9/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie...
>
> >>> "Did you read [Vincent] Palamara's review? He didn't say that both books ["Reclaiming History" and "Inside The ARRB"] are "correct" or that both books are "true". He said Bugliosi's book presents a good case (after all, Bugliosi is a former prosecutor, it should), cleans up a bunch of junk and it is still a terrific book, but Horne's book trumps it." <<<
>
> The plain and simple fact is: Vince Palamara cannot believe that BOTH
> Vincent Bugliosi's and Doug Horne's books contain the TRUTH. The books
> are 100% in opposition to each other, and yet Palamara is endorsing
> BOTH books as being a "masterpiece" (Bugliosi's) and worthy of winning
> the "Pulitzer Prize" (Horne's).
>
> Please tell me how on this round Earth of ours that Vincent M.
> Palamara can possibly believe that both of those books (which are as
> far apart regarding their conclusions in the JFK case as east is from
> west) are worthy of equal praise AT THE EXACT SAME TIME?
>
> In short, Mr. Palamara doesn't know what he wants to believe. Whenever
> a new JFK-assassination book comes along, he's ready and eager to
> endorse it, regardless of what the contents are (as long as he's
> listed in the index, of course). And, btw, he is listed in Horne's
> index (in 2 of Horne's 5 volumes). I know that's a fact because Mr.
> Palamara, as usual, was boasting about having his name in Horne's
> books, at the Amazon.com "Listmania" list linked below:
>
Thats it in a 'Nut'shell game .
Conspiracy belief system 101 :
JFK was killed by many different people , for many different reasons ,
in many different ways and instigated by many different entitys ALL AT
THE SAME TIME !
Kookworld 2009 has arrived late but it's offi'cia'l !
tl
David Von Pein
I saw this quote today, and got a bit of a chuckle out of it:
"A careful reading of [Vincent] Palamara's reviews of Inside the
ARRB, Reclaiming History, and Ultimate Sacrifice gives one absolutely
no evidence that would indicate that he even read the books. ....
Palamara's writings make one thing clear: he knows a lot more about
the Pittsburgh Steelers than he does about what forces were behind
President Kennedy's murder and whether or not there was a conspiracy."
-- Michael Hogan; 12/22/09
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15150&view=findpost&p=176513
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ceb8f19cb322dbef