On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 12:49:09 PM UTC-8, David Von Pein wrote:
> On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 9:47:43 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 8:58:48 PM UTC-8, David Von Pein wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 11:50:26 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 8:46:12 PM UTC-8, David Von Pein wrote:
> > > > > FYI / FWIW....
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's some additional WC testimony from Dr. Kemp Clark:
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> > > > > Mr. SPECTER - Well, is the deviation of the trachea and the presence of bleeding on the strap muscles of the neck and the other factors which you have recited equally consistent with a wound of exit on the neck?
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> > > > > Dr. CLARK - Yes, sir. Furthermore, let me say that the presence of the deviation of the trachea, with blood in the strap muscles, are by no means diagnostic of penetration of the chest, and the placing of the chest tubes was prophylactic had such an eventuality occurred.
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> > > > > Mr. SPECTER - Was there any external indication that there was a missile in the chest?
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> > > > > Dr. CLARK - No, sir.
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> > > > > Mr. SPECTER - Was it the preliminary thought that the missile might have been in the chest by virtue of the fact that this wound was noted on the neck?
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> > > > > Dr. CLARK - Yes; with the other factors I have enumerated.
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> > > > > Mr. SPECTER - And at that time, not knowing what the angle might have been or any of the surrounding circumstances, then you proceeded to take precautionary measures as if there might have been a missile in the chest at some point?
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> > > > > Dr. CLARK - That is correct. Measures were taken, assuming the worst had happened.
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> > > > > Mr. SPECTER - As the quotation appears in the issue of "L' Express," "This bullet penetrated into his chest and did not come out," would that then be an accurate quotation of something that you said, Dr. Clark?
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> > > > > Dr. CLARK - No, sir.
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> > > > Good of you to finally get around to reading Dr. Clark.
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> > > > But by your terms, none of this is evidence. Nor does it contradict anything that I've said or cited... so why bother?
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> > > To fill in the gaps and show the parts of Dr. Clark's testimony that you obviously had no interest in showing.
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> > If I told you that President Trump had decided on a new Judicial appointment, I'd reference the one tweet that he gave on that issue, and that would be the definitive source... nothing else would matter... I don't need to provide tweets on his selection criteria, his immigration policy, or anything else.
Dead silence...
> > That you clearly don't understand this is truly funny!!! I quoted & cited Dr. Clark providing the evidence you claimed I didn't have...
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> That's one of the big problems with JFK CTers --- they always want to ISOLATE certain things and prop those things up ALONE as some kind of "proof" to win their case.
You cannot make a forest with each "tree" that's not really a tree. It takes REAL trees to make a forest.
You can't take one fake tree, add it to another 52 fake trees, and call it a forest.
> You, Ben, KNOW that there was no bullet dug out of JFK's chest. You KNOW, of course, that no bullet actually did "range downward" into JFK's chest.
Nope... I *don't* know that. The prosectors were forbidden from dissecting the track of the bullet - the evidence seen at Parkland DEMONSTRATED beyond any doubt that there was damage to JFK's chest that could very well have been because of a down ranging bullet.
You claimed that there was "NO evidence" for that - and I quoted SWORN TESTIMONY.
You're a gutless liar, Davy Von Molester...
> You know those things from the SUM TOTAL of all the evidence. But you want to PRETEND that some nefarious was happening to JFK's body, so you'll INVENT a way for a bullet to have "ranged downward" --- i.e., you'll just IGNORE the actual autopsy findings (which verify for all time that no bullet "ranged downward" into JFK's body),
You're lying again, Davy... indeed, the *ONLY* physical proof that might have worked - DISAPPEARED WHILE UNDER GOVERNMENT CONTROL.
You can't explain the missing chest photos... I can.
Indeed, *YOU* refuse to believe the autopsy findings... at the end of that autopsy, THERE WAS NO TRANSIT THROUGH THE BODY.
You know that, I know that.
> and you'll hang on for dear life to the WORST possible "evidence", which is the testimony of Dr. Clark and/or Dr. Perry, who were simply using precaution when they inserted the chest tubes in JFK's body.
You're lying AGAIN, Davy Von Molester...
They SPECIFICALLY treated JFK ON THE BASIS OF THEIR BELIEF THAT A BULLET HAD RANGED DOWNWARD.
The chest tubes were inserted for that express purpose.
Do you suppose that you'll convince anyone by lying?
> IOW---They had NO KNOWLEDGE of any "downward ranging" bullet(s).
No-one is talking about a certain "knowledge".
Now you're simply getting desperate...
Was their *EVIDENCE* of a downward ranging bullet... absolutely yes.
You can't admit that I've schooled you again on something you simply didn't know.
> Ergo, their actions (and resulting testimony and statements) are most certainly NOT "evidence" that a bullet REALLY DID range downward in Kennedy's chest.
Tut tut tut, Davy... YOU'RE LYING AGAIN!!!
No-one is speaking of what actually occurred. You didn't accuse me of lying about what actually occurred.
YOU CLAIMED I HAD "NO EVIDENCE" FOR MY ASSERTION ABOUT A BULLET RANGING DOWNWARD INTO JFK'S CHEST.
You implied that I simply made it up.
Now you know otherwise, and you're desperate to change the topic.
> You, of course, will never acknowledge that I am right on this issue, and you'll never admit that there really is NO EVIDENCE at all (not even Dr. Clark's testimony) that any bullet "ranged downward" into JFK.
You're lying again, Davy Von Molester.
What caused the bruise on JFK's lung? Why did the emergency doctors treat for a collapsed lung? EXPLAIN THE INSERTION OF CHEST TUBES... or run away again.
> And I fully understand what you're doing. Everybody here understands it. It's a game you like to play. It's what "Internet JFK CTers" do --- they pretend and speculate and make up absurd theories, such as this one....
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> "The wound in JFK's throat was exactly what the doctors who saw it originally thought...an entry wound. That bullet ranged downward toward JFK's chest. It wasn't in JFK's body at the autopsy because it was pulled out in the pre-autopsy autopsy that took place between 6:40 and 8:00pm." -- B. Holmes; Jan. 2017
Yep... all evidence based.
And if it was so "absurd" - then you're calling all the doctors at Bethesda who treated JFK morons.
But that's common among believers - they simply cannot accept expert testimony.
> You have no "EVIDENCE" at all
You're lying again, Davy the Molester... I guess you get pretty good at lying... when parents rush up to you in the park...
>that ANY of the above things really happened. None. And you know it! But that won't stop you from calling me a liar ten times a day just so that you won't have to face reality. And that reality is....
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> You have absolutely no capacity for properly and fairly evaluating the facts, evidence, and testimony associated with the events of 11/22/63.
If this were true, you'd be able to credibly respond to the points I raise.