IN LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S ROOM
David Von Pein
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/02/ruby-and-oswald-1978-tv-movie.html
I was recently watching the 1978 Mel Stuart-directed television movie
"Ruby And Oswald" [linked above], which is a film that does a very
nice job of sticking to the known facts in evidence regarding the
timeline of events surrounding the assassination and the days that
followed 11/22/63, and I took note of something quite interesting
during the scene which has Lee Harvey Oswald (played by Frederic
Forrest) rushing into the roominghouse on Beckley Avenue in Oak Cliff
at approximately 1:00 PM CST on November 22nd:
During the re-created scene of Oswald's probable movements and actions
while inside his small rented room, actor Forrest hurriedly goes into
the bedroom, closes the door, takes a light windbreaker jacket (like
Oswald's) out of a closet, puts the jacket on, adjusts the collar of
the jacket a little bit, zips the jacket up about halfway (which is
something, btw, that housekeeper Earlene Roberts said that Oswald
didn't do until after he came out of his room or just as he was coming
out of the room), opens a dresser drawer, pulls a revolver out of the
drawer, closes the drawer, stuffs the gun into the waist of his pants,
pulls the jacket back down over his waistband to hide the gun, opens
the bedroom door, exits the room, and closes the door behind him.
The total time that it took for Forrest to accomplish all of the above
actions -- 22 seconds.
The only thing that director Mel Stuart probably should have had
Forrest do differently while he was performing this bedroom re-
creation is to have the actor grab a handful of extra bullets from a
dresser drawer when he was also retrieving the revolver, because it's
doubtful whether the real Oswald was carrying 9 or 10 bullets in his
pants pocket when he went to work with Wesley Frazier from Irving on
the morning of the assassination (seeing as how he didn't have his
revolver with him that morning at all).
Another thing that might have added a few more seconds to the total
time that Oswald spent in his room is the possible need to physically
load his .38 Smith & Wesson revolver with some bullets. Although it's
quite possible, of course, that the gun was already loaded with
bullets before Oswald ever entered the room that day. No one can know
that detail for certain.
So, even if we were add a total of 10, 20, or even 30 full seconds
onto Frederic Forrest's roominghouse re-creation to account for some
additional time required for him to grab a handful of bullets from a
drawer (or elsewhere in the room) and to possibly put a few bullets in
the chamber of the gun, the total time that Forrest would have spent
inside that bedroom would still have been less than 1 minute (and only
32 seconds, total, if we were to add only 10 seconds, which seems like
a reasonable amount of time for a man to pick up a few bullets and put
them in his pocket).
Now, granted, this "re-creation" performed by Frederic Forrest in Mel
Stuart's 1978 TV-movie doesn't "prove" a darn thing with respect to
the real Oswald's actions in November 1963. I'll readily admit that
fact.
But what it does do is to place on film a reconstruction of an event
that is purported to have taken place on November 22, 1963, by Lee
Harvey Oswald....an event that I don't think anyone has re-created on
film elsewhere in other movies or TV shows or documentaries.
And, IMO, Forrest's re-creation of Oswald's alleged movements and post-
assassination actions after arriving at the Beckley roominghouse are
probably very close to the precise movements made by the real Lee
Oswald on 11/22/63.
And the key, IMO, is the fact that all of those actions that Oswald
needed to perform after going into his bedroom could easily be
accomplished in well under one minute (and probably well under 45
seconds, even when adding a few more seconds for Oswald's needed
bullet-grabbing), as proven by actor Frederic Forrest, who did perform
such an approximate re-creation of LHO's actions in less than 25
seconds.
The "How Long Was Oswald In His Room On November 22nd?" topic has come
up at these forums multiple times in the past, and I have added my two
cents to the debate many times, such as the following examples:
"The best guess is that [Lee] Oswald left his roominghouse at
approx. 1:03 or 1:04 PM (CST). My guess is it was even earlier than
that; because there's no way in hell he was fiddling around in that
shoebox of a room for "3 or 4 minutes", per Mrs. [Earlene] Roberts'
account. There would be absolutely no reason (logically-speaking) for
Oswald to have been in that room for more than 30 seconds at most. Was
Earlene Roberts lying? Of course she wasn't. But people have a habit
of stretching out time estimates to (incorrect) lengthier guesses when
they're asked to re-create "timelines"." -- DVP; 06/30/2006
http://www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d9456c10c7229bbd
"I'd still be willing to bet that Oswald was not in that tiny
room for "3 to 4 minutes" either. One minute tops. I don't KNOW this
to be so, quite obviously. But, as stated before, people are
notoriously rotten at gauging precise times and timelines. And Mrs.
Roberts certainly didn't have a stopwatch on Oswald; nor would she
have had any particular REASON to take note of exactly how long Oswald
stayed in his room. Her "3 to 4 minutes" is an estimate, and nothing
more. Next up from Walt I fully expect to see him claiming that J.D.
Tippit was shot at 12:50 PM, or maybe 12:55. It seems to get earlier
with each passing hunk of kookshit he spouts." -- DVP; 08/16/2006
http://www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/feff32649a08fe33
"It's always been my theory (yes, it's a guess, but a good one,
IMO) that Oswald was not in that shoebox-sized room of his on Beckley
for any "3 to 4 minutes" (as ESTIMATED by Mrs. Roberts, who was the
only witness to Oswald's coming in and going out again around 1:00 PM
on 11/22/63). Why on this Earth would Oswald, who was undoubtedly in a
"hurry" (per Roberts herself), spend 3 to 4 minutes in that closet of
a room just to grab his pistol and some bullets?" -- DVP; 08/02/2007
http://www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/40971e54d64656ec
"There's no chance in hell that Oswald spent "3 to 4 minutes" in
that closet/room. No way. I'll never buy that part of Roberts'
account; and this gives [Oswald] more time to reach 10th St., via my
version, which is much more sensible than Roberts'." -- DVP;
09/02/2007
http://www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/33c400e838fbe27f
"The walk back to LHO's roominghouse was re-created by WC
counsel members, and it took 5 minutes and 45 seconds....which would
have placed Oswald back home at approx. 12:59:45 PM. He was probably
in that shoebox of a room for no more than 1 minute (tops), and
probably (IMO) closer to only 30 seconds (Earlene Roberts' "3 to 4
minutes" testimony notwithstanding), which would have given Oswald
ample time to travel the 0.85 of a mile to Tenth Street to kill
Officer Tippit. The trip from 1026 Beckley to the Tippit murder site
on 10th St. has been re-created several times by different people
(with varying results, depending upon the pace, of course), and the
excursion has taken as little as 11 minutes." -- DVP; 11/08/2007
http://www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/da9ac1706cdd917d
"IMO, Oswald was in that room for no more than 1 minute --
tops." -- DVP; 03/17/2008
http://www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1697196b7607382b
"I'll maintain until the cows come home that it's very unlikely
that Oz stayed in that shoebox of a room for any 3-4 minutes that day.
No way. No how." -- DVP; 04/24/2008
http://www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/679eb16f02238b52
"I'll always be of the opinion that Mrs. Roberts was incorrect
when she said that Lee was in his crackerbox of a room for "3 or 4
minutes". There was simply no reason under the moon for him to be in
that room for more than 1 minute--tops." -- DVP; 07/28/2008
http://www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e8c1801145f96b3f
And while it's true that housekeeper Earlene Roberts testified to the
Warren Commission on April 8, 1964, that Oswald "went on to his room
and stayed about 3 or 4 minutes", it's also a fact that Mrs. Roberts
also said that Oswald was in his room "just long enough, I guess, to
go in there and get a jacket and put it on".
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/robertse.htm
http://Kennedy-Videos.blogspot.com
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MY ORIGINAL "IN OSWALD'S ROOM" ARTICLE FROM OCTOBER 2008:
http://www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bd0e5d924e821f45
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Walt
> http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/02/ruby-and-oswald-1978-tv-mov...
You're wrong .....Your bullshit does prove one thing...... That your a
poor liar.
Why would you post this crap in a group wher you know that most people
in this group know the FACTS?? Do you just want everybody reading
your post to know that you are a liar? Most people in this group know
that Lee Oswald changed his clothes while he was in his room at 1026
N. Beckley. He told the interrogators that he went to his room on N.
Beckley and changed his clothes. He described the clothes that he had
been wearing (Which DID NOT match the clothes that Howard Brennan saw
on the sixth floor gunman) and tol the cops he had put the dirty
clothes ibn a drawer of the dresser. About an hour later the Dallas
detectives found those clothes just as Oswald had described them.
David Von Pein
Go home to Mars, Walt. You're way too crazy for Planet Earth.
Walt
> Go home to Mars, Walt. You're way too crazy for Planet Earth.
I may be crazy.....But that doesn't change the fact that I know that
you are a liar.....and I know that Oswald changed his clothes in his
room a couple of minutes after one oclock.
David Von Pein
>>> "I know that Oswald changed his clothes in his room a couple of minutes after one oclock." <<<
You "know" no such thing.
Oswald almost certainly did not change any of his clothes after he
went home on 11/22.
Walt
Hey Stupid... The evidence favors my position..... There are notes of
Oswald's interrogation in which the interrogators said that Oswald
told them he changed his clothes. While you have NOTHING to support
your position that Oswald did not change his clothes. AND The
detectives found those clothes in the dresser in Oswald's room just as
Oswald described them. Those clothes were a Rusty reddish brown long
sleeved shirt with a large hole in the right elbow and a pair of dark
gray trousers. You may remember that Howard Brennan said that the
sixth floor gunman was wearing a dingy white khaki shirt, and trousers
that were a shade lihter than the shirt....I'm sure that you would
rather forget these facts....but not to worry, we'll keep reminding
you.
robcap...@netscape.com
DVP subscibes to the same philosphy Ben Holmes does, he simply calls
what others say "lies" with NO evidence ever being offered. LHO said
he changed his clothes, yet he is a liar to DVP despite him offering
NO evidence showing he lied about this issue.
He is making a false claim, or in some circles, slandering LHO.
Ben Holmes
robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>On Feb 10, 6:56=A0pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>> "I know that Oswald changed his clothes in his room a couple of minut=
>es after one oclock." <<<
>>
>> You "know" no such thing.
>>
>> Oswald almost certainly did not change any of his clothes after he
>> went home on 11/22.
>
>DVP subscibes to the same philosphy Ben Holmes does, he simply calls
>what others say "lies" with NO evidence ever being offered.
This is *PRECISELY* what you do, kook.
You ALWAYS refuse to provide any citations or evidence...
>LHO said
>he changed his clothes, yet he is a liar to DVP despite him offering
>NO evidence showing he lied about this issue.
>
>He is making a false claim, or in some circles, slandering LHO.
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robcap...@netscape.com
> In article <5eac71bb-e075-41c0-b564-8502b81b9...@b7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>
>
> >On Feb 10, 6:56=A0pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >>> "I know that Oswald changed his clothes in his room a couple of minut=
> >es after one oclock." <<<
>
> >> You "know" no such thing.
>
> >> Oswald almost certainly did not change any of his clothes after he
> >> went home on 11/22.
>
> >DVP subscibes to the same philosphy Ben Holmes does, he simply calls
> >what others say "lies" with NO evidence ever being offered.
>
> This is *PRECISELY* what you do, kook.
I cite YOUR words that show you are liar constantly, YOU OTOH, run
from citing or quoting anything that supports you.
> You ALWAYS refuse to provide any citations or evidence...
Don't blame me for YOUR failures Ben. This is the guy who said there
was OVERWHELMING evidence showing LHO went to Mexico, and then gave us
TWO pathetic things as support!
LOL!!