Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed)

[Arlen Holder]

I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to *simultaneously* slide
huge files both ways over USB to *any* iOS, Android, Windows, & Linux
device!

No proprietary software or ID logins required (other than native basics).

At home, I have Windows 10 desktops with dual-boot Ubuntu 18.04, where I
can connect *any* Android or iOS device (not just my own) and slide huge
files back in forth in a single swipe, read and write.

*Simultaneously*
Over four systems!

HINT: I can slide across 4 systems, with only 3 devices! (details matter)

The test today to the iPad went at 7GB per minute on a decade old desktop.

1. Plug in the iPad or Android device - it automatically mounts.
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8918650usb01.jpg>
2. Slide 14 files from one to the other in one swoop (either direction):
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8157466usb02.jpg>
3. Elapsed time over old USB was a few seconds over two minutes for 4 GB:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2107706usb03.jpg>

Note that on all four devices you have *zero* additional software.
The only software is what is commonly installed when you install the OS.
HINT: That means no Orwellian iTunes or AirDrop abominations, for example.

Note that all four devices have *simultaneous* read/write access.
They don't even have to be *your* devices (i.e., no Apple or Android ID).

If you know of a cross-platform method *easier & faster* than just plugging
in *any* device (it doesn't even have to be yours!) and sliding any visible
files back and forth simultaneously, then let me know!

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 14:41:40 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> The test today to the iPad went at 7GB per minute on a decade old desktop.

Ooooooops. 2GB/minute over old USB.
(I accidentally typed 7 which was half of 14 files).

The main message is simply that it's *easy* to copy *anything* you can see
on any device (not just yours) without any software (other than what comes
with the original OS installation) and certainly no additional logins
(other than the login needed to access each device natively).

In fact, you don't even need the login to Windows, since Ubuntu mounts
Windows file systems automatically, just as it mounts iOS and Android file
systems automatically.

1. Dual boot to Ubuntu 18.04.
2. Plug in any device you want (any iOS or Android device that you want)
3. Slide files read/write both ways from *all four devices simultaneously*!

The USB speed on a decade-old desktop today was 2GB per minute.

[MikeS]

Congratulations. You just reinvented the wheel.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 08:33:28 GMT, MikeS wrote:

> Congratulations.
> You just reinvented the wheel

So many morons on Usenet claim to be geniuses that I have to wonder what
your claim of genius is.

a. Do you _already_ do exactly what I said I do?
(If so, prove it with a screenshot because I don't believe you.)

b. You you _already_ know of a _better_ way to do what I said I did?
(If so, prove it with a screenshot because I don't believe you.)

You claim to be a genius.
Prove it.

Everyone will benefit if you have a *better* method.
HINT: You don't.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 14:41:40 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> 1. Plug in the iPad or Android device - it automatically mounts.
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8918650usb01.jpg>
> 2. Slide 14 files from one to the other in one swoop (either direction):
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8157466usb02.jpg>
> 3. Elapsed time over old USB was a few seconds over two minutes for 4 GB:
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2107706usb03.jpg>

Someone complained about the bild.me site, so I wrote this in response:


I've used http://bild.me for a long time where nobody complained.
But since there was a typo in the original files anyway, I modified them
just now, and uploaded them using http://fileconvoy.com

These files will be deleted in 21 days, but they're available now.
<http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=gcb6a0b17f6ad694c1000113621fa665a5352f6f259>

If you have a better free no-reg photo upload site, let me know and I'll
use that instead.

Mainly, the screenshots simply prove I did the file transfer between the
mobile device and the Windows system disk, without even Windows being
booted (it needs to NOT be set to hibernate though).

I provide proof with screenshots since there is always a "genius" who
claims to have a "better" method which he can never explain.

I've been on Usenet for decades, where some "genius" always claims to have
a better file transfer method - which never exists when you ask for proof.

This cross platform file transfer method is the *best* I can think of,
since it has zero restrictions, it works on everything, and, it requires no
software other than what comes with a typical system.

I doubt there is a *better* mechanism on this planet - but if you know of a
better mechanism for transferring large files between Windows and Ubuntu
and iOS and Android - please let us all know because this is as good as it
gets as far as I know.

[Big Al]

From Android to any pc (and maybe IOS, not sure since I have none), I
use wi-fi xfer.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smarterdroid.wififiletransfer

Either this app from the play store or my file explorer will do it too.
Both apps on the phone launch into a web server and show you the
address you put into your browser on the PC.

So any browser will then allow you to browse the phone. The nice part
about this is that the phone does not need to be tethered to the PC.
And since it's browser based it's also oblivious to the PC platform.
No cables with either iPhone plug, Android plug, type C or B usb, nothing.

Al.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 11:06:24 GMT, Big Al wrote:

> From Android to any pc (and maybe IOS, not sure since I have none), I
> use wi-fi xfer.
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smarterdroid.wififiletransfer
>
> Either this app from the play store or my file explorer will do it too.
> Both apps on the phone launch into a web server and show you the
> address you put into your browser on the PC.
>
> So any browser will then allow you to browse the phone. The nice part
> about this is that the phone does not need to be tethered to the PC.
> And since it's browser based it's also oblivious to the PC platform.
> No cables with either iPhone plug, Android plug, type C or B usb, nothing.

Hi Al,
The summary is that you're right, but there is a better method, IMHO, than
what you suggest, if you're going to use FTP servers on the mobile device.

HINT: Don't use a web browser, which, while it has portability advantages,
sucks when the files are tremendous in number and size and locations.

Rest assured we know what we're doing.
That's why I'm pretty confident nobody can come up with a better solution.

But I'm *happy* if people have new ideas - but we've long ago fleshed out
all server possibilities (unless new standards arise, which can happen).

In fact, we've tested for years _all_ the known free FTP solutions and
written them up many times, on these same newsgroups, where, *all* the
desktop operating systems will handle the FTP addressing scheme.
ftp://machine-name-or-ip-address/sharename

That means Ubuntu's Nautilus & Dolphin respect that addressing scheme
That means Windows' File Explorer networking respects that scheme

However, the FTP addressing scheme is slightly more complex than USB (see
details below) and it's less compatible across platforms (hint, everything
is harder with iOS when you actually interface to the real world), and it's
certainly slower (depending on a lot of factors) than USB is typically
(wait for the Apple Apologist nospam to jump on that one with his
outlandish claims).

So we've already covered FTP cross-platform sharing in depth between the
desktops (Windows & Linux) and the mobile devices (iOS and Android).

We even covered, long ago, which is the *best* (bar none) freeware FTP
server for both Android and iOS in order to make this method work.
HINT: It matters greatly, particularly on iOS, but even on Android.

Furthermore, we covered how to lock the IP address so that the FTP
addressing scheme works flawlessly, where Android has the ability to
connect via a given IP address to your router, and where your router has
the ability to hand your Android device the same IP address each time.

The FTP scheme has an advantage over USB in that it work over the local LAN
(and it will even work over the Internet, although that's not the purpose
here).

The main disadvantage of the FTP server method, unless you have a super
fast network and super slow USB hardware, is speed.

Here are some related URLs for reference:
How to mount the entire mobile device file system on Windows
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/ix8xgTcexAY/dlY4nLMfAgAJ>

How to mount the entire mobile device file system on Linux
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/oNe2gAEQPjA/fa4MVadOAgAJ>

How to mount the entire mobile device file system on the Mac
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/o-5nLy7Cs-4/WYgJuCUZCQAJ>

All I want is to easily transfer files from Android to Linux using WiFi
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/FaoR_SLSyTc/aTZCryiACQAJ>
etc.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 21:01:58 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> In fact, we've tested for years _all_ the known free FTP solutions and
> written them up many times, on these same newsgroups, where, *all* the
> desktop operating systems will handle the FTP addressing scheme.
> ftp://machine-name-or-ip-address/sharename
>
> That means Ubuntu's Nautilus & Dolphin respect that addressing scheme
> That means Windows' File Explorer networking respects that scheme

In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP server
runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to most desktops), in
general, you want the server to be on the more powerful less io-limited
desktops, if you can work that out.

Also, since technical details matter when performing cross platform
connections, for the FTP-server method, the mobile device machine name
generally needs to be in the HOSTS file.

The IP address always works, but that brings up the complexities inherent
in the mobile devices constantly coming on and going off your local
network, where their IP address "can" change.

We studied these changes in detail a few years ago, where they're
remarkably consistent in most situations, but the fact is that the IP
address "can" change unless you fix it permanently on your local LAN.

I don't think we ever solved that problem for iOS specifically, but for
Android, there is an easy way to connect to any particular access point and
have the Android device *request* the same IP address each time it connects
to your home router. (I have iOS so I can test it - but generally iOS is
vastly limited when dealing with the real world - since Apple simply says
the real world is "not supported").

Even so, you don't *need* to request a specific IP address on the mobile
device to lock it down, since the router can *assign* the same address
every time to a particular MAC address on the mobile device (whether that
be an iOS or Android mobile device).

In summary, the FTP server solution is elegant in that it allows the
desktop to see the entire visible file system of every mobile device on the
local network, but you have to know how to deal with the problems of:
a. Locking the mobile device IP address
b. Using a suitable desktop "file explorer" (Hint: We browsers suck.)
c. Dealing with much slower speeds (compared to USB)

Of course, you don't have to lock the mobile device IP address; you can
address it dynamically; but if you do that, you negate point and click
advantages.

[nospam]

In article <pnh8h3$ndt$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> Also, since technical details matter when performing cross platform
> connections, for the FTP-server method, the mobile device machine name
> generally needs to be in the HOSTS file.

nope.

> The IP address always works, but that brings up the complexities inherent
> in the mobile devices constantly coming on and going off your local
> network, where their IP address "can" change.

that doesn't matter and there is no complexity, other than what you're
creating for yourself.

> We studied these changes in detail a few years ago, where they're
> remarkably consistent in most situations, but the fact is that the IP
> address "can" change unless you fix it permanently on your local LAN.

there's no need to do that.

> I don't think we ever solved that problem for iOS specifically,

you didn't, but others certainly have, and not just ios either.

> but for
> Android, there is an easy way to connect to any particular access point and
> have the Android device *request* the same IP address each time it connects
> to your home router.

that's not specific to android, and also not needed.

> Of course, you don't have to lock the mobile device IP address; you can
> address it dynamically; but if you do that, you negate point and click
> advantages.

absolutely false.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 14:31:56 GMT, nospam wrote:


> nope.

>

> that doesn't matter and there is no complexity, other than what you're
> creating for yourself.

> there's no need to do that.

> you didn't, but others certainly have, and not just ios either.

> that's not specific to android, and also not needed.

> absolutely false.

As always, the Apple Apologist nospam proves in every post that all he
_can_ do, is play his fifth-grade silly semantic games.

The Apple Apologist nospam is heavy on the denials & light on details.

I've been on Usenet for decades, where the people like nospam brazenly
fabricate imaginary functionality that they can never actually perform.

Let's see if nospam can act like an *adult* for once, shall we?

Let's see if nospam can snap a screenshot of what he is denying above.

Cmon nospam. A screenshot. Like I did.
How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?
HINT: Extremely hard - since he never seems to ever come up with proof.

In fact, I snapped that screenshot on Linux and it showed up in Windows
where I edited it, and had I snapped a scresnshot of my mobile device, it
too would have automatically showed up on both Linux and Windows file
explorers for editing and upload for distribution on Usenet.

--
HINT: Apple Apologists like nospam live in an imaginary world.

[nospam]

In article <pnha1u$poa$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?

learn about dns before you embarrass yourself any further

[Big Al]

I agree with nospam. I can make a device static in my router solving
the IP address thing, but when launching a FTP server on the phone it
shows the address to put in your browser, even if the IP is changing
daily, at that moment I get the current IP.

I do have to bow to your comment about the pipeline with FTP. It's
slower by a mile over a USB cable.

I was just bringing up other ways. And for uploading ringtones etc, or
a few family photos, the ftp / browser method is easy and time is not an
issue.

Al. PS. you need not counter reply. I've quit reading the thread.

[Big Al]

On 09/14/2018 05:51 PM, nospam wrote:

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 14:51:48 GMT, nospam wrote:

>> How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?
>
> learn about dns before you embarrass yourself any further

Childish fifth graders make claims like you do without backing any up.
Adults back up their claims with facts.

*I only speak facts.*
And my intent is to be purposefully helpful to those who don't know facts.

The fact is, that simply plugging in a mobile device to a properly
configured Windows or Linux system, allows complete automatic read/write
access to the entire visible file systems of all four file systems,
simultaneously.

That's a fact.

In my twenty years of Usenet posting, you've never found an incorrect fact
from me (even though you've desperately tried).

*Since you simply guess at everything, you almost always guess wrong.*

You prove yourself, that you're incapable of acting like an adult.
Adults can easily agree on facts.
Facts are funny that way.

What's interesting is that you got your head handed to you on the Linux
groups when you spouted similar unsupported unwarranted DNS claims.
How does setting a static IP on a mobile device prevent the
router from assigning that IP address?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/KPEz2M16sTU%5B126-150%5D>

You make outlandish unproven claims, which you can *never* back up.

*Let's see you back up a *single* claim of yours, with screenshots.*

[nospam]

In article <pnhb3b$pak$1...@dont-email.me>, Big Al <Big...@invalid.com>

wrote:

> >> How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?
> >
> > learn about dns before you embarrass yourself any further
> >
> I agree with nospam. I can make a device static in my router solving
> the IP address thing,

no need to use static ip. use its dhcp name:
<http://cache-www.linksys.com/support/images/KB25661-006_EN_v8.png>

> but when launching a FTP server on the phone it
> shows the address to put in your browser, even if the IP is changing
> daily, at that moment I get the current IP.

no need to run an ftp server on a phone either, and there are much
better options than ftp anyway.

[nospam]

In article <pnhbed$rr6$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> In my twenty years of Usenet posting, you've never found an incorrect fact
> from me (even though you've desperately tried).

never mind 20 years. finding 'incorrect facts' from you takes less than
20 seconds.

> What's interesting is that you got your head handed to you on the Linux
> groups when you spouted similar unsupported unwarranted DNS claims.

another one of your 'incorrect facts'.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 15:01:15 GMT, Big Al wrote:

> I agree with nospam.

Given nospam just guesses, what *fact* do you agree with him on?

From what you and nospam prove you post, it seems neither of you have any
comprehension whatsoever of how much we already covered in the past on this
newsgroup about this problem set.

For just one of many examples:
Is there an easy way to get photos off Android locally onto Linux
without USB?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/eLgDUDlQ9i8/w2Go7A2ffAUJ>

HINT: Please tell us something we don't already know.

> I can make a device static in my router solving
> the IP address thing, but when launching a FTP server on the phone it
> shows the address to put in your browser, even if the IP is changing
> daily, at that moment I get the current IP.

You don't appear to realize how much we know about this problem set.
We've covered it in detail ever since Android & iOS devices existed.

HINT:

How does setting a static IP on a mobile device prevent the
router from assigning that IP address?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/KPEz2M16sTU%5B126-150%5D>

> I do have to bow to your comment about the pipeline with FTP. It's
> slower by a mile over a USB cable.

This is your first adult comment, where I treat you as an adult when you
act like an adult.

I agree with your fact that FTP is slower than USB.
I also agree a priori that FTP has the advantage of not needing cable.

Another fact you don't seem to comprehend yet is that running a server on a
puny mobile device (which is not optimmized for i/o transactions), is
problematic, compared to using the server mechanism on the desktop.

HINT: Many people have tried using SMB servers on Linux and Windows, but
they're problematic in how the mobile device SMB client is typically
restricted in ports (where Frank Slootweg has a good handle on this problem
set).

So I agree with your FTP premise - but I add technical details that you
haven't shown a comprehension of yet (e.g., FTP, like it or not, is using
both port 21 and 22 for different things, at least by default).

If you don't actually comprehend these technical details, then of course
you might assume (erroneously) that FTP is simpler than USB.

But it's not.

For another example of your premise related to FTP simplicity, based on
what you wrote about using a web browser as the FTP client, you don't seem
to comprehend that a web browser is a *terrible* (IMHO) way to manage
numerous large files in multiple places, particularly of different filename
extensions (somewhat related to MIME types complexities).

I posit that FTP cross platform file transfer is more complex than is USB.
It just is.

If you wish to debate that fact, then we should take that elsewhere since
the problems are well known to most adults who comprehend the difference
between how a "file explorer" works (such as Nautilus or Dolphin or Windows
File Explorer, etc.) and how a web browser works, particularly when we're
talking about executables, PDF files, html files, mkv container files, jpeg
files, etc.

> I was just bringing up other ways.

I appreciate that you are acting like an adult in bringing up other ways.

Rest assured we have covered the FTP server angle numerous times here.

For example:
Using FTP to xfr files between a Windows PC and an Android device
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/JUCDP5P4r_Y/rc-sy9BLAgAJ>

> And for uploading ringtones etc, or
> a few family photos, the ftp / browser method is easy and time is not an
> issue.

Agreed that if the problem set is trivial, then the solutions are trivial.
Adults easily agree on facts.

Facts are funny that way.

> PS. you need not counter reply. I've quit reading the thread.

When you act like a child, I treat you how you act.

HINT: Every fifth grader thinks your childish retort is hilariously clever.

*All you proved, by what you wrote, is that your mind is already closed.*

[nospam]

In article <pnhciv$tu6$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> You don't appear to realize how much we know about this problem set.

'we' know more than you do.

> How does setting a static IP on a mobile device prevent the
> router from assigning that IP address?

because it's static. duh.

> I agree with your fact that FTP is slower than USB.

that sentence makes no sense.

> I also agree a priori that FTP has the advantage of not needing cable.

that's not unique to ftp.

other than power delivery, a cable is not needed.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 15:20:52 GMT, nospam wrote:

> never mind 20 years. finding 'incorrect facts' from you takes less than
> 20 seconds.

Your posts are unhelpful.
*Let's see, nospam, whether you show a *better* USB method than proposed.*

While everyone knows you, nospam, to be the canonically classic Apple
Apologist, what is interesting is that every fifth grader thinks your
completely unsubstantiated childish retort is hilariously clever.

Such baseless and childish retorts are common with you Apple Apologists:

For example:
What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the
Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ>

Such childish retorts, along with the one Big Al just made, simply prove
that you are not like normal adults.

For example:
The Apple Apologist is distinctly different from normal adult
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/6EKp2RpX_-U/fl5I1utGAwAJ>

Keeping on topic, all the adults here just want to learn.

Hence, keeping on topic, if you, or anyone else, has a *better* method to
*simultaneously* transfer large sets of disparate files over USB between
all four platforms (read and write), then now is the time to state your
proven facts.

*Let's see, nospam, whether you show a *better* USB method than proposed.*

--
We'd all benefit if nospam actually knew something we don't alrady know.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 15:32:26 GMT, nospam wrote:

> 'we' know more than you do.

*What *better* cross-platform USB file transfer method do you propose?*

Your childish fifth-grade posts are enjoyed by children I'm sure.
But adults find your unsubstantiated childish retorts patently unhelpful.

*Let's see, nospam, whether you show a *better* USB method than proposed.*

Keeping on topic, all the adults here just want to learn.

Hence, keeping on topic, if you, or anyone else, has a *better* method to
*simultaneously* transfer large sets of disparate files over USB between
all four platforms (read and write), then now is the time to state your
proven facts.

*What *better* cross-platform USB file transfer method do you propose?*

[Carlos E. R.]

On 14/09/2018 17.43, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2018 14:31:56 GMT, nospam wrote:
>
>
>> nope.
>>
>
>> that doesn't matter and there is no complexity, other than what you're
>> creating for yourself.
>
>> there's no need to do that.
>
>> you didn't, but others certainly have, and not just ios either.
>
>> that's not specific to android, and also not needed.
>
>> absolutely false.
>
> As always, the Apple Apologist nospam proves in every post that all he
> _can_ do, is play his fifth-grade silly semantic games.

Actually, he is mostly right this time :-P


--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 15:51:40 GMT, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Actually, he is mostly right this time :-P

Hi Carlos,

I need you to answer an adult question, from one adult to another.

The beauty of this method is the realization that the fastest way to copy
huge numbers of files of huge sizes between mobile devices and Windows, is
to use Linux.

Since you are an adult, and since you seem to have comprehended what nospam
said that is "right" about that statement, I need you to clarify for me
what you think nospam is right about, with respect to that topic.

What is nospam right about with respect to my statement above which is that
the fastest way to copy files to and from any mobile device and Windows, is
to use USB on Linux?

[Jasen Betts]

On 2018-09-14, Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2018 21:01:58 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:
>
>> In fact, we've tested for years _all_ the known free FTP solutions and
>> written them up many times, on these same newsgroups, where, *all* the
>> desktop operating systems will handle the FTP addressing scheme.
>> ftp://machine-name-or-ip-address/sharename
>>
>> That means Ubuntu's Nautilus & Dolphin respect that addressing scheme
>> That means Windows' File Explorer networking respects that scheme
>
> In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP server
> runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to most desktops), in
> general, you want the server to be on the more powerful less io-limited
> desktops, if you can work that out.

why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently.

> Also, since technical details matter when performing cross platform
> connections, for the FTP-server method, the mobile device machine name
> generally needs to be in the HOSTS file.
>
> The IP address always works, but that brings up the complexities inherent
> in the mobile devices constantly coming on and going off your local
> network, where their IP address "can" change.
>
> We studied these changes in detail a few years ago, where they're
> remarkably consistent in most situations, but the fact is that the IP
> address "can" change unless you fix it permanently on your local LAN.

the router here puts up a DNS alias for each machine that gets a DHCP
address, so you can use names if you have a capable DHCP server.
(actually it also found the name for my linux PC which has a static IP address... -
I'm not sure how it did that Bonjour perhaps. )


--
ت

[Arlen Holder]

On 15 Sep 2018 00:12:20 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

> why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
> access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently.

Hi Jasen Betts,

You bring up an adult question, but I can tell from your question that
you're naive, particularly when it comes to iOS and FTP results.

But you know more about networking than I do, which I openly admit.
You just don't appear to understand how FTP is different with iOS.

But before I educate you on what you appear to be clueless about (based on
what you wrote anyway), first let me summarize the actual intended topic of
this thread, which was to edify people who don't already now about the fact

that the fastest way to copy huge numbers of files of huge sizes between

any iOS/Android mobile device and Windows, is to use Linux.

*That is _clearly_ the topic of this thread.*

If you have a *better* method which is both faster & easier than this
method, please do share your expert knowledge with the rest of us, since I
posit that *nobody* knows of a faster method than this method.

In fact, I would *love* to hear you give us a *better* method.
HINT: It has to work for iOS as well as it does for Android! <-- think!

> why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
> access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently.

First off, I need to ask you if you've ever used the FTP-server method on
iOS? Have you?

Hint: *It's completely different than the FTP-server method on Android!*

Hence, if you're proposing the FTP-server method as a *better* method than
the USB method, then we're going to have to look at this problem set like
adults do.
* The FTP method has to be faster than the USB method
* The FTP method has to handle larger files better than the USB method
* The FTP method has to handle dispersed files better than the USB method
and ...
* The FTP method has to work with iOS as well as it works with Android!

Bear in mind this isn't my first rodeo with people who *think* they have
all the answers, but who don't realize that iOS is *different* than all the
other common consumer operating systems.

HINT: FTP is unrelated to the topic of this thread *unless* you're actually
suggesting that FTP is either more universal or faster method than is USB
for copying from and to both iOS and Android file systems to and from
Windows using Linux.

> the router here puts up a DNS alias for each machine that gets a DHCP
> address, so you can use names if you have a capable DHCP server.
> (actually it also found the name for my linux PC which has a static IP address... -
> I'm not sure how it did that Bonjour perhaps. )

Hi Jason Betts,

Bearing in mind the topic of this thread is USB file transfer, the
off-topic FTP method has advantages (e.g., no wires) and disadvantages
(e.g., slower).

Since you seem to want to change the topic to FTP file transfer, I have to
then ask if you've ever done that FTP file transfer using iOS devices
(bearing in mind that it's fundamentally different than with Android)?

Have you?

In addition...

I readily admit you know more about networking that I know, so I
respectfully ask you to answer the same adult question I asked of Carlos:

What are reasonably attainable speeds on:
1. USB on a more modern desktop to/from an iOS/Android mobile device.
...versus...
2. FTP/SMB/HTTP on those same (cpu/i/o limited?) mobile devices

[Arlen Holder]

On 15 Sep 2018 00:54:36 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> Since you seem to want to change the topic to FTP file transfer, I have to
> then ask if you've ever done that FTP file transfer using iOS devices
> (bearing in mind that it's fundamentally different than with Android)?
>
> Have you?
>
> In addition...
>
> I readily admit you know more about networking that I know, so I
> respectfully ask you to answer the same adult question I asked of Carlos:
>
> What are reasonably attainable speeds on:
> 1. USB on a more modern desktop to/from an iOS/Android mobile device.
> ...versus...
> 2. FTP/SMB/HTTP on those same (cpu/i/o limited?) mobile devices

I should be clear that it was nospam who wanted to change the topic from
USB file transfer between mobile devices & Windows via Linux ... to FTP
file transfer between those same file systems ... perhaps because nospam
knows full well how dismal iOS is with USB file transfer to and from native
Windows.

HINT: It can't be done with iOS because iOS is brain dead for USB.
Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WjeGznahZwc%5B101-125%5D>

I wish to be clear that it wasn't Carlos or Jason who desperately wants the
subject to NOT be about what iOS clearly can't do, to something that iOS
potentially can do.

But if we switch the topic to FTP, which is the only thing iOS can do with
native Windows, then you have to understand how fundamentally different the
results are from USB when you try to do the same things with iOS on FTP.

*Are you aware of these iOS-based limitations when you speak about FTP?*

[nospam]

In article <pnhl8c$esj$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> But you know more about networking than I do, which I openly admit.

dandelions know more about networking than you do.

> You just don't appear to understand how FTP is different with iOS.

it isn't.

[nospam]

In article <pnhmca$h1a$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> I readily admit you know more about networking that I know, so I

...

> I should be clear that it was nospam who wanted to change the topic from
> USB file transfer between mobile devices & Windows via Linux ... to FTP
> file transfer between those same file systems ... perhaps because nospam
> knows full well how dismal iOS is with USB file transfer to and from native
> Windows.

more of your lies. i didn't change anything and *you* mentioned ftp.

i was only correcting your numerous false statements about networking,
a topic about which you admit you know nothing.

> HINT: It can't be done with iOS because iOS is brain dead for USB.

it can, and the only brain dead entity is you.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 18:23:59 GMT, nospam wrote:

> it can, and the only brain dead entity is you.

All you _can_ do, nospam, is play your silly childish games.

*For a moment, I'll assume you can act like an adult, nospam.*

Hence I will ask this simple on-topic question, bearing in mind that the
Linux users aren't aware (apparently) of the astoundingly huge limitations
of networking with iOS (as compared to Android) ... I simply ask:

Q: What free software do you propose I install on iOS that will result in a
*better* (faster, easier, more powerful, etc.) file-transfer than the
method I proposed in the original post.

The limiting factor, unfortunately, for all cross-platform file transfers
is always going to be the astoundingly huge limitations of iOS.

That's a fact you hate. But it's still a fact nonetheless.
Hence, *any* system you propose, has to work for iOS as well as for
Android, on native Windows, which is the topic.

The topic is clearly to propose the *best* cross platform completely
unrestricted read/write file system transfer between native iOS, Android,
Windows, and Ubuntu common consumer devices.

Just because you don't like facts doesn't make facts not facts.

*It's a fact iOS is brain dead on native Windows USB r/w file transfer.*
You can dance silly games all you want around that fact.
But the fact you don't like facts doesn't make facts not facts.

*It's a fact iOS is nearly brain dead on FTP file transfer.*
Again, you can dance silly games around this fact, but you will be asked
the adult question of which free FTP server for iOS will access read/write
the same files that the USB method accesses.

*For a moment, I'll assume you can act like an adult, nospam.*

Hence I will ask this simple on-topic question, bearing in mind that the
Linux users aren't aware (apparently) of the astoundingly huge limitations
of networking with iOS (as compared to Android) ... I simply ask:

Q: What free software do you propose I install on iOS that will result in a
*better* (faster, easier, more powerful, etc.) file-transfer than the
method I proposed in the original post.

HINT: I posit that nobody on the planet has a better system than the one
originally proposed - but if you, nospam, are such a genius, then please
propose your "better" system.
--
HINT: You just make everything up ... hence ... you have no better system!

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 18:23:58 GMT, nospam wrote:

> dandelions know more about networking than you do.

All you _can_ do, nospam, is play your childish silly games.
HINT: Only a fifth grader would think your retort hilariously clever.

Yet ... I'm all for learning from your innate wisdom, nospam:
Hence...
*For a moment, I'll assume you _can_ act like an adult, nospam.*

Hence I will ask this simple on-topic question, bearing in mind that the
Linux users aren't aware (apparently) of the astoundingly huge limitations
of networking with iOS (as compared to Android) ... I simply ask:

Q: What free software do you propose I install on iOS that will result in a
*better* (faster, easier, more powerful, etc.) file-transfer than the
method I proposed in the original post.

HINT: The same question is asked of everyone, not just the child above.
If you can name a *better* system - name it now. If feasible, I'll try it.

[nospam]

In article <pnhp18$l93$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> > dandelions know more about networking than you do.
>
> All you _can_ do, nospam, is play your childish silly games.
> HINT: Only a fifth grader would think your retort hilariously clever.

actually, fifth graders would laugh at your ignorance, and probably
have some choice words to throw in too.

> Yet ... I'm all for learning from your innate wisdom, nospam:

nothing you've said or done has indicated you're interested in learning
anything from *anyone*.

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 19:07:41 GMT, nospam wrote:

> nothing you've said or done has indicated you're interested in learning
> anything from *anyone*.

Notice everyone, that nospam can't possibly answer the on-topic question.

*All nospam _can_ do, is play his silly fifth-grade childish games.*

He knows iOS is brain dead on rw USB file transfer with native Windows.
And he knows iOS is nearly brain dead on FTP file transfer with Windows.

So all nospam _can_ do, is play his silly fifth-grade childish games.

Meanwhile, for the *adults* on this newsgroup, given that iOS is always the
limiting factor in cross-platform functionality, the on-topic question is

Q: What free software do you propose we install (particularly on iOS) that
will result in *better* (faster, easier, more powerful, etc.) read/write
file-transfer to/from native Windows to/from any iOS/Android device, than
the USB-to-Windows-via-Linux method I outlined in the original post.

[Jasen Betts]

On 2018-09-15, Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 15 Sep 2018 00:12:20 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:
>
>> why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
>> access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently.
>
> Hi Jasen Betts,
>
> You bring up an adult question, but I can tell from your question that
> you're naive, particularly when it comes to iOS and FTP results.

You may have read how to win freinds and influence people, but the
tactics therein just make you come across at invasive and pushy.

> But you know more about networking than I do, which I openly admit.
> You just don't appear to understand how FTP is different with iOS.

So are you going to explain that?

> But before I educate you on what you appear to be clueless about (based on
> what you wrote anyway), first let me summarize the actual intended topic of
> this thread, which was to edify people who don't already now about the fact
> that the fastest way to copy huge numbers of files of huge sizes between
> any iOS/Android mobile device and Windows, is to use Linux.

That's not acually a subject that interest me much. ftp doesn't seem
to have s size limit.

> *That is _clearly_ the topic of this thread.*

yeah... but I'm asking about one of the claims you made, you should
have stayed on topic!

> If you have a *better* method

I'm not really interested.

>> why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
>> access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently.

> First off, I need to ask you if you've ever used the FTP-server method on
> iOS? Have you?

Changing the subject again. are you going to answer why running an FTP
server is a bad thing? While wifi is usually slower than USB,
if you count the time taken to phyiscally connect the devices together
WIFI could easily be faster for small files after the one-time setup.

> Hint: *It's completely different than the FTP-server method on Android!*

hints at an answer.... I'm beginning to think that maybe you will
actually answer.

> Hence, if you're proposing the FTP-server method as a *better* method than
> the USB method, then we're going to have to look at this problem set like
> adults do.

No, I'm just questioning your claim, which you seem to have deleted.
Why did you do that? here it is again.

>>> In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP
>>> server runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to
>>> most desktops), in general, you want the server to be on the more
>>> powerful less io-limited desktops, if you can work that out.

Why are you making that claim?

> HINT: FTP is unrelated to the topic of this thread *unless* you're actually
> suggesting that FTP is either more universal or faster method than is USB
> for copying from and to both iOS and Android file systems to and from
> Windows using Linux.

Indeed, but that doesn't do anything to answer my question about what
you wrote, and if it's off tpoic why did you write about it?

>> the router here puts up a DNS alias for each machine that gets a DHCP
>> address, so you can use names if you have a capable DHCP server.
>> (actually it also found the name for my linux PC which has a static IP address... -
>> I'm not sure how it did that Bonjour perhaps. )
>
> Hi Jason Betts,
>
> Bearing in mind the topic of this thread is USB file transfer, the
> off-topic FTP method has advantages (e.g., no wires) and disadvantages
> (e.g., slower).

I'm replyinmg to claims you made. you seem to be suggesting that
it's ok to lie if it supports your claim. I'd ask if that is your
position, but if I did you'd obvioisly answer "no".

> Since you seem to want to change the topic to FTP file transfer, I have to

Not what I'm trying to do.

> then ask if you've ever done that FTP file transfer using iOS devices
> (bearing in mind that it's fundamentally different than with Android)?
>
> Have you?

No. Ae you going to offer any details on how it's different?

> In addition...
>
> I readily admit you know more about networking that I know, so I
> respectfully ask you to answer the same adult question I asked of Carlos:
>
> What are reasonably attainable speeds on:
> 1. USB on a more modern desktop to/from an iOS/Android mobile device.
> ...versus...
> 2. FTP/SMB/HTTP on those same (cpu/i/o limited?) mobile devices

I don't know, and am not particularly interested.

--
ت

[Arlen Holder]

On 16 Sep 2018 01:28:51 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

> You may have read how to win freinds and influence people, but the
> tactics therein just make you come across at invasive and pushy.

*All I ask of you, Jasen, is that you try to act like an adult.*
I only speak facts.
That puts people off.

But I also *add value*.
And I speak with facts so everyone can actually *do* what I propose!

You'll notice nospam just makes everything up.
He's wrong more than is the monkey.

In twenty years (many thousands of posts)...
I've *never* been wrong yet, simply because I speak facts.

Facts are funny that way.

I'm sure I've had typos, but nobody has ever been able to show a single
time that I have not spoken facts - simply becuase I don't say things that
aren't facts.

Adults are funny that way.
We speak facts.

I realize that puts a lot of people off since I'm very factual.
I'm not going to baby someone who doesn't speak facts.

If you want to dispute the facts, you need to dispute with facts.
I'm perfectly happy to learn facts from others.

>> You just don't appear to understand how FTP is different with iOS.
>
> So are you going to explain that?

It's obvious since that's a fact.
You never once mentioend anything about how FTP on iOS is different.
And the fact is, that it's extremely different (in what it does).

So, since you didn't mention it, then my statement is clear.
You haven't shown that you understand how vastly different iOS is when it
comes to FTP - so - since your premise is all about FTP - and yet - you
don't appear to acknowledge that FTP basically doesn't work on iOS
(effectively, to see the entire visible file system), then it's not clear
to me that you know what you're talking about.

Remember, a cross platform solution has to work.

You can't just have it work for Android (which works great) but not for iOS
(which sucks when it comes to what FTP can do).

Does that make sense?
It's a fact - so if you don't understand the fact - it's easily proven.

Facts are funny that way.

> That's not acually a subject that interest me much. ftp doesn't seem
> to have s size limit.

We could wax philosophically on how FTP differs from USB.
But the major issue isn't that.
The major issue is that FTP sucks (IMHO) on iOS compared to USB.

FTP is fine, in contrast, with Android.
SO it's a cross platform problem - not an FTP specific problem.

Most people forget (IMHO), that cross platform problems have to take a
solution that works for all the platforms discussed, which, in this case,
is
1. The user is mainly on Windows
2. The user has both iOS and Android
3. The user is smart enough to dual boot to Linux when needed

That's the problem set I'm covering.
If you want to define a different problem set, then the solution may very
well be different.

As a trivially simple example, if you omit iOS, everything gets easier.
FTP works OK if you eliminate iOS as part of the problem set (IMHO).

Hence, it's critical that you show me that you understand that, if you're
going to try to dispute my facts about FTP on iOS.

>
>> *That is _clearly_ the topic of this thread.*
>
> yeah... but I'm asking about one of the claims you made, you should
> have stayed on topic!

If you want to play games, then I won't play.
You can see that nospam, for an example, is an expert at game playing.

He always flatly refutes anything he wants to.
And yet, he can't come up with a single solution to help people.

Never forget my purpose is to HELP people.
Just like Marek used to constantly help people.

It's the right thing to do to help people.

If all you want to do is gripe that I've helped people by giving them a
solution that actually works while your proposed solution doesn't work (for
iOS, for example), then I'll call you out on it.

Just be an adult with me ... and I'll be an adult back.
It's really a very simple equation.

>> If you have a *better* method
>
> I'm not really interested.

Whenever I see that childish retort, then I know facts aren't your forte.
I've seen that fifth-grade retort for decades from Usenet children.

When I confront you with actual facts - you retort you're not interested.

Just because you aren't interested in facts, doesn't make facts not facts.

On Usenet, there are many people like you, who can't handle facts.

> Changing the subject again. are you going to answer why running an FTP
> server is a bad thing?

I said it many times.
I have *plenty* of threads on FTP servers on mobile devices.
I gave *plenty* of URLs on that.
I explained *plenty* of reasons why it's substandard.

That you whooshed on the reasons, doesn't mean I didn't answer.

Let's summarize a few, off hand.
1. I already explained the IP address issues which don't exist with USB
2. I already explained the speed issues which don't exist with USB
3. I already explained the iOS issues which don't exist with Android
4. I even touched on the Windows inconsistency issues with FTP (personal
experience where I tested *every* FTP server available on Android and
concluded long ago it was Windows that was flaky, not Android).
etc.

While it's a fact I already answered your question, and while it's a fact
that I provided URLs to those answers, why do you not *comprehend* those
answers?

BTW, since you're a adult, you don't have to *believe* the answers.
But you can't say I didn't already answer your question many times.

Why do you make me *repeat* the answers?
You make a baseless claim that I didn't answer.

Adults don't act that way.

> While wifi is usually slower than USB,
> if you count the time taken to phyiscally connect the devices together
> WIFI could easily be faster for small files after the one-time setup.

I have absolutely nothing against WiFi (other than it's slower but that's
OK as it's *different* than USB for the obvious reasons).

The problem always is not "WiFi" but how it works cross platform with all
four devices, where the one device you always have to keep in mind is iOS,
which is the weak link in the cross platform solution.

Let me ask you a patently simple question to see if you understand WiFI.
Q: How can all people access all visible files on all iOS devices on the
local network through WiFi in a way that also works with Windows, Linux,
and Android?

HINT: If you can't answer that question, then we have an issue with your
facts.

> hints at an answer.... I'm beginning to think that maybe you will
> actually answer.

How many times can you *miss* the answer to your questions?

Adults don't normally act that way.
Children do.

> No, I'm just questioning your claim, which you seem to have deleted.
> Why did you do that?

I've been on Usenet for decades where people who play silly games say what
you just say.

Don't you know *anything* about quoting?
Is this your first week on Usenet? (hint: rhetorical question).

while styles vary, my style is the well accepted style which can be
summarized as you quote what you respond to. No more. No less.
<http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?quoting?>

HINT: People who play silly games hate when you don't quote their entire
post (personal experience) because it prevents them from playing their
silly games.

> here it is again.
>
>>>> In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP
>>>> server runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to
>>>> most desktops), in general, you want the server to be on the more
>>>> powerful less io-limited desktops, if you can work that out.
>
> Why are you making that claim?

Do you have any idea how vastly limited the iOS FTP server access is?
Do you?

If you don't, then you can't possibly ask me that question, since the
limitation, as I've said many times, is mostly on the iOS side when it
comes to read and write FTP access to the entire visible file system.

On most desktops, the FTP server is NOT limited in terms of what read/write
access it has to the entire visible file system.

On Android, as I said many times, it's better (far better) than it is on
iOS.

>> HINT: FTP is unrelated to the topic of this thread *unless* you're actually
>> suggesting that FTP is either more universal or faster method than is USB
>> for copying from and to both iOS and Android file systems to and from
>> Windows using Linux.
>
> Indeed, but that doesn't do anything to answer my question about what
> you wrote, and if it's off tpoic why did you write about it?

The reason FTP matters is that anyone who suggests FTP as being better than
USB has to explain how, other than the obvious, which is that no cable is
needed - where everyone knows that.

What people don't seem to know, for example, is the hugely critical
limitation of FTP with respect to read/write access to teh entire visible
file system on iOS.

This thread is about cross platform solutions that work on all the stated
platforms, not just some of them.

FTP basically does not work on iOS (to access all the visible files).
USB does.

Why can't you seem to comprehend that simple fact?

> I'm replyinmg to claims you made. you seem to be suggesting that
> it's ok to lie if it supports your claim.

I've never once made a false claim in my life unless it's something that
was my humble opinion which you can rightly disagree with.

While I don't put IMHO at the end of every sentence, please point out a
single instance of a factual lie in my many thousands of posts in over two
decades of posting on Usenet.

Name just one - but back it up.
(And no, typos or obvious thinkos don't count as Usenet is ad hoc.)

> I'd ask if that is your
> position, but if I did you'd obvioisly answer "no".

I only speak facts.
You'll *never* find me speak a wrong fact simply because I don't do it.
Caveat: I'm human ... so I might make inadvertent mistakes - but if you
call me out on that, I'll be an adult and confront it

What you seem to mis understand is that I act like an adult.
You don't like that it seems.

But you (apparently) not liking me acting like an adult says more about you
than about me.

> No. Ae you going to offer any details on how it's different?

How many times can you mis-comprehend facts, Jasen Betts?
I said many times why.
That you keep missing the answer doesn't mean I didn't answer it.

INHO ... You're not acting like an adult should act, Jason.
Adults can comprehend simple facts.

> I don't know, and am not particularly interested.

Do I need to point out again that your childish retorts are that of a fifth
grader?

*All I ask of you, Jasen Betts, is that you try to act like an adult.*

[nospam]

In article <pnkho4$9e0$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> We could wax philosophically on how FTP differs from USB.

or we could laugh at how clueless you actually are.

[Arlen Holder]

On 15 Sep 2018 20:21:58 GMT, nospam wrote:

>> We could wax philosophically on how FTP differs from USB.
>
> or we could laugh at how clueless you actually are.

Notice everyone these two facts:

1. I proposed a simple, free, powerful mechanism that works for everyone.
2. The Apple Apologist nospam proposes exactly zero facts. Zero.

Those are facts.
It's why I can easily prove that the Apple Apologists are different.

*Apple Apologists, like nospam, have a belief system containing 0 facts.*

[Arlen Holder]

On 14 Sep 2018 14:41:40 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to *simultaneously* slide
> huge files both ways over USB to *any* iOS, Android, Windows, & Linux
> device!

Moving the ball forward for everyone ...

Following is a suggested improvement to the best known way of sliding files
back and forth from and to any Windows, Linux, iOS, or Android device,
simultaneously, sans any proprietary strings attached.
<http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com/4FydoVr4/a-note-from-the-cross-platform-groups-that-may-interest-linux-users-too>

On 19 Aug 2018 01:24:31 GMT, J.O. Aho wrote:
> Dual booting, ain't that a bit 1980's, even for gamin on microsoft OS
> you can still boot your favourite Linux distribution as host and run a
> virtualised instance of the closed source OS.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/LMQRVNx92-I>

While the common Apple Apologists like nospam will _never_ improve any
process (all Apple Apologists can do is punch buttons that Apple Marketing
told them to use - where Apple Marketing says the real world is "not
supported"), the Linux user "J.O. Aho" recently suggested that possible
alternative method.

I've written tutorials on how to install & use VirtualBox on Windows, so
I'll try that method to see if it improves upon this dual-boot process.

Special thanks go to J.O. Aho for being the only one to suggest
improvements so that everyone benefits from every post.

--
NOTE: You can find all my tutorials on the usenet search engines, e.g.,:
http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10
etc.

Use Google to search using the "-site" keyword, e.g.,:
alt.comp.os.windows-10 how to install virtualbox -site pcbanter.net
alt.comp.os.windows-10 how to install virtualbox -site narkive.com
etc.

[Diesel]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:pnghb3$jc2$1...@news.mixmin.net Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:41:40 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to
> *simultaneously* slide huge files both ways over USB to *any* iOS,
> Android, Windows, & Linux device!

I wasn't aware this wasn't common knowledge already?

> No proprietary software or ID logins required (other than native
> basics).

Erm...

> At home, I have Windows 10 desktops with dual-boot Ubuntu 18.04,
> where I can connect *any* Android or iOS device (not just my own)
> and slide huge files back in forth in a single swipe, read and
> write.
>
> *Simultaneously*
> Over four systems!

Yep. However...Depending on OS in use as well as Android version
along with specific changes done by the manufacturer of the Android
device in question, this won't work without 3rd party driver/software
installation. In other words, it's sadly, not a universal experience.

Some Android devices fully support the original MTP protocol and
others do not. When they don't, you can run into problems on older
OSes that aren't aware of changes in the protocol that your Android
device might use. That's when an additional driver and/or software
installation is required.

As I still run XP (it's the only Windows based OS I run outside of a
VM), I run into this issue likely more often than yourself. [g]

> HINT: I can slide across 4 systems, with only 3 devices! (details
> matter)

Yes, using uptodate oses on the majority/all of them, right?

> The test today to the iPad went at 7GB per minute on a decade old
> desktop.

Uhh, not at 7gigs a minute. [g]

> 1. Plug in the iPad or Android device - it automatically mounts.

Yes, because your OS/kernel is new enough to support which ever
Android device and version you're using. It's foolish of you to
assume that Android devices all play equally and that all versions of
Android do as well. They don't.

> Note that on all four devices you have *zero* additional software.
> The only software is what is commonly installed when you install
> the OS. HINT: That means no Orwellian iTunes or AirDrop
> abominations, for example.

In your particular case. That's not the case for me. I have a variety
of Android devices running various versions of Android as well as
various laptops/towers that run various operating systems. They don't
all freely talk to each other simply by connecting via USB. Would be
nice, but, that's differences in OS/Android versions for you; not
even touching on the subject of manufacturer specific alterations to
the particular Android build present on your device.

In other words, friend, it's sadly not universal.

> Note that all four devices have *simultaneous* read/write access.
> They don't even have to be *your* devices (i.e., no Apple or
> Android ID).

I'm confused as to why you thought? they needed to be your devices or
you required a login or something else in the first place. I fully
expect that I can plugin a device that has onboard memory and
(hopefully) directly access it from console/GUI or, if needbe,
install a pesky driver/3rd party app to give me the access I want.
I'm completely okay with the device being treated like an external
hard disk.

I'm not much of an Apple geek, but, I don't remember any of them
requiring me to login to access any of the files on the ipods or
anything when I used to fool with them...

> If you know of a cross-platform method *easier & faster* than just
> plugging in *any* device (it doesn't even have to be yours!) and
> sliding any visible files back and forth simultaneously, then let
> me know!

I've found for me, due to the aforementioned compatibility issues
that a semi universal usb memory stick (that supports a large variety
of formats and types) reader/writer is my best bet, atleast in so far
as accessing sdcards, etc. Not only can I just pull the card out of
any of my devices and mount it as an external drive with full access,
I can do the same with any of the Cameras I have as well. I don't
need to be concerned with using a particular PC that I loaded the
special software on, what version of Android the device is using or
anything else along those lines. I just chat with the sdcard directly
myself.

The obvious drawback is I can't access the internal memory storage
this way. Which is okay, I've got the mxlinux machine (it's a newer
kernel) that can mount my Android devices without any help from me.
:)

I hope you don't take any personal offense to this post, but, it
appeared to me as if you thought you struck gold and were excited to
tell the world about your discovery.



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Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:pngmol$rlp$1...@news.mixmin.net Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:14:13 GMT in
alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On 14 Sep 2018 08:33:28 GMT, MikeS wrote:
>
>> Congratulations.
>> You just reinvented the wheel
>
> So many morons on Usenet claim to be geniuses that I have to
> wonder what your claim of genius is.

I didn't see them make any?

> a. Do you _already_ do exactly what I said I do?
> (If so, prove it with a screenshot because I don't believe
> you.)

What you described doing is the standard way of doing it, unless you
like using software to do it for you. I've always preferred doing it
in the manner you described when possible. I've been doing it that
way long before Android/Apple specific devices gave a shit though. It
was cameras and mp3 players/usb sticks, etc back then. The same
concept applies though. Drag/drop. :)

> b. You you _already_ know of a _better_ way to do what I said I
> did?

I wrote previously about a universal card reader/writer. It solves
the version issue I described previously, but, obviously cannot give
you access to the devices internal memory.

> (If so, prove it with a screenshot because I don't believe
> you.)

I doubt anyone is concerned whether or not you believe them.. or me.

> You claim to be a genius.
> Prove it.

Where is that claim stated? Do you have the MID?

> Everyone will benefit if you have a *better* method.
> HINT: You don't.

The method you described is a very common method and I'm surprised it
was 'new' to you in the first place. Please see my other post
concerning the limitations you didn't mention, because you haven't
experienced them due to the small amount of hardware/software you
interact with.

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[Jasen Betts]

On 2018-09-16, Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 16 Sep 2018 01:28:51 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:
>
>> You may have read how to win freinds and influence people, but the
>> tactics therein just make you come across at invasive and pushy.
>
> *All I ask of you, Jasen, is that you try to act like an adult.*
> I only speak facts.

>>>>> In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP
>>>>> server runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to
>>>>> most desktops), in general, you want the server to be on the more
>>>>> powerful less io-limited desktops, if you can work that out.
>>
>> Why are you making that claim?
>
> Do you have any idea how vastly limited the iOS FTP server access is?
> Do you?

I'm guessing that I misunderstood what you meant with some of the terms
you used there, like "powerful" and "io-limited".

> INHO ... You're not acting like an adult should act, Jason.
> Adults can comprehend simple facts.

The english language has a suprising capability for ambiguity.

>> I don't know, and am not particularly interested.
>
> Do I need to point out again that your childish retorts are that of a fifth
> grader?

Dude, I asked you what I thought was a simple question with a 50 to
200 word answer and got a 2000 word essay that was only tangentially
related to what thought I was asking.

--
ت

[Arlen Holder]

On 16 Sep 2018 22:37:55 GMT, Diesel wrote:

> I wasn't aware this wasn't common knowledge already?

Edify me.
*But first, tell me what step I accidentally omitted in the OP.*
HINT: I'll be glad to explain - my point is this is NOT common knowledge.

Bear in mind I'm trying to *teach* you something you *think* you know.
But your own words prove you don't understand the system.

I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

Especially since you say it's common knowledge.
a. It's NOT common knowledge
b. You don't even know it (even now)

You *think* you understand it - but you clearly do not.
Neither did Jason Betts. Neither did anyone who posted yet.

They all *think* they understand it - but they can't actually *do* it!
I don't say this maliciously - it's simply a fact you proved yourself.

I say it bluntly because you bluntly intimate it's common knowledge, and
yet, you don't understand the inherent beauty of this mechanism yourself.

That you misunderstand it is easily proven by your own words (see below).

> Yep. However...Depending on OS in use as well as Android version
> along with specific changes done by the manufacturer of the Android
> device in question, this won't work without 3rd party driver/software
> installation. In other words, it's sadly, not a universal experience.

What 3rd party drivers are you talking about and on what platform?

This works on *all* native Windows filesystems.
It works with iOS and Android filesystems too.

That's half of the inherent beauty of the system, in fact.

I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

> As I still run XP (it's the only Windows based OS I run outside of a
> VM), I run into this issue likely more often than yourself. [g]

That you bring up Windows XP proves that you don't understand it.
It works on native Windows XP filesystems just fine.

That's half the beauty of the system, in fact, which is that it works with
*everything* without you having to put *anything* on the Windows, iOS, or
Android device.

I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

>> HINT: I can slide across 4 systems, with only 3 devices! (details
>> matter)
> Yes, using uptodate oses on the majority/all of them, right?

Please understand I'm trying to *teach* you something that you *think* you
know - but you clearly do not understand what you think is common knowledge
(because it's not).

That you even ask that question means you didn't understand.
This works with all native Windows filesystems.

Half the beauty of this system is that it works with everything.

I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

> Uhh, not at 7gigs a minute. [g]

*My tests last night with 1.7GB of 400 photos, each 4,287,961 bytes*

1. *Windows filesystem to Android* 18 minutes, 21 seconds
6. *Windows filesystem to iOS* 1 minute, 42 seconds
2. *Android to the Windows filesystem* 2 minutes, 20 seconds
5. *iOS to the Windows filesystem* 1 minute, 55 seconds
4. *iOS to Android* 11 minutes, 49 seconds
3. *Android to iOS* 3 minutes, 5 seconds
Note: The order run was so that screenshots would be easier.

If anyone who *thinks* this is common knowledge has not done all six of
those tests, then they almost certainly don't yet understand the inherent
and utter beauty of this system!

HINT: Those copies were to any iOS directory, including the DCIM directory!
Please think hard about that simple statement above. It's critical.

I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

>> 1. Plug in the iPad or Android device - it automatically mounts.
>
> Yes, because your OS/kernel is new enough to support which ever
> Android device and version you're using. It's foolish of you to
> assume that Android devices all play equally and that all versions of
> Android do as well. They don't.

Why do you think any modern Android phone wouldn't work?
I'd love to learn from you but I've never failed on any Android phone, and
trust me, my equipment is old for the most part. Very old.

I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

>> Note that on all four devices you have *zero* additional software.
>> The only software is what is commonly installed when you install
>> the OS. HINT: That means no Orwellian iTunes or AirDrop
>> abominations, for example.
>
> In your particular case. That's not the case for me. I have a variety
> of Android devices running various versions of Android as well as
> various laptops/towers that run various operating systems.

Why do you bring this up when it works with all Windows filesystems?
In my tests, it works with all iOS and Android devices tested (and mine are
old!). Why do you think it wouldn't work?

I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

> They don't
> all freely talk to each other simply by connecting via USB.

Why not?
I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

> Would be
> nice, but, that's differences in OS/Android versions for you; not
> even touching on the subject of manufacturer specific alterations to
> the particular Android build present on your device.

Why wouldnt' this work with all modern Android devices?
I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

> In other words, friend, it's sadly not universal.

Why not?
I'd be glad to learn from you - but you can't heave unsubstantiated FUD.

>> Note that all four devices have *simultaneous* read/write access.
>> They don't even have to be *your* devices (i.e., no Apple or
>> Android ID).
>
> I'm confused as to why you thought? they needed to be your devices or
> you required a login or something else in the first place.

Hehhehheh ...
You don't seem to be familiar with the Apple Apologist tricks.

Try, for example, to copy *any* MP3 from *any* iPod on the planet, using
the Apple-sanctioned methods that the Apologists spout are so powerful.

Try it.
HINT: I can do it ... but I know the tricks. Most people can't.

What matters greatly to me is to come up with brilliantly crafted solutions
which have close to zero hurdles - where pulling a credit card out of your
pocket is a hurdle - and where being limited to a single AppleID is a
hurdle (or even a family ID) - and where the need for proprietary software
that doesn't work on all platforms is a hurdle, etc.

Every solution I come up with is brilliantly crafted to eliminate hurdles.

HINT: Lest you think this "brilliance" is mine - it is not. All my
solutions are crafted with the help of the Usenet tribal knowledge.

That's where the brilliance of these solutions comes from.
If you can improve on this brilliant solution - I'm all for learning from
you.

But you can't just heave unsubstantiated FUD.

> I fully
> expect that I can plugin a device that has onboard memory and
> (hopefully) directly access it from console/GUI or, if needbe,
> install a pesky driver/3rd party app to give me the access I want.
> I'm completely okay with the device being treated like an external
> hard disk.

No third-party apps needed.
That's half of the brilliance of this system.

> I'm not much of an Apple geek, but, I don't remember any of them
> requiring me to login to access any of the files on the ipods or
> anything when I used to fool with them...

Hehhehheh ... suffice to say that the moment you need an AppleID, you're
restricted to the walled garden.

HINT: Linux is outside the walled garden, and even Windows is outside the
walled garden in some respects.

You *must* be very familiar with Apple restrictions in order to appreciate
the sheer brilliance of this system.

That's one reason why I know Jason Betts was wrong when he intimated that
this system is common knowledge. It's why I know you don't understand this
system - because it's NOT common knowledge to most people.

>> If you know of a cross-platform method *easier & faster* than just
>> plugging in *any* device (it doesn't even have to be yours!) and
>> sliding any visible files back and forth simultaneously, then let
>> me know!
>
> I've found for me, due to the aforementioned compatibility issues
> that a semi universal usb memory stick (that supports a large variety
> of formats and types) reader/writer is my best bet, atleast in so far
> as accessing sdcards, etc.

While I have nothing against USB sticks, you bring up a good point which is
that iOS is severely limited in how it deals directly with USB sticks.

So this inherently beautiful method instantly *solves* that sticky problem!
Thanks for bringing up USB sticks since that's *another* beauty!

> Not only can I just pull the card out of
> any of my devices and mount it as an external drive with full access,
> I can do the same with any of the Cameras I have as well. I don't
> need to be concerned with using a particular PC that I loaded the
> special software on, what version of Android the device is using or
> anything else along those lines. I just chat with the sdcard directly
> myself.

I'm glad you bring up cameras, as the beauty of this system is that it
applies equally well to cameras, even cameras running iOS (which exist
according to Savageduck).

> I hope you don't take any personal offense to this post, but, it
> appeared to me as if you thought you struck gold and were excited to
> tell the world about your discovery.

I don't take personal offense if you're trying to be purposefully helpful.
I think you are trying to be purposefully helpful.

The problem I have is you *think* you understand the system, but your words
prove you do not understand the system.

It irks me that you, and Jason, and others *think* this is common
knowledge, but I just realized when I ran my six tests, that I actually
inadvertently left out a key step - so - anyone who *thinks* this is common
knowledge, doesn't actually even know what step I left out!

So there are two reasons I know that you (and others) who _claim_ this is
common knowledge don't actually understand what they *think* they
understands:

1. You speak of Windows XP, where that doesn't matter one bit, and,
2. You can't tell me the step accidentally left out (Hint - it's for iOS).

The *one* place you (and Jason Betts) can edify me is your sewing of FUD
that this won't work with all Android devices.

I have tested this with about a dozen (mostly ancient) Android devices, all
of which work just fine - but maybe you know something about Android that I
don't know where you can edify me why it wouldn't work on all common
Android devices.

Edify me.
*But first, tell me what step I accidentally omitted in the OP.*
HINT: I'll be glad to explain - my point is this is NOT common knowledge.

[Arlen Holder]

On 17 Sep 2018 13:28:43 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> HINT: Those copies were to any iOS directory, including the DCIM directory!
> Please think hard about that simple statement above. It's critical.

Clarification.

Since the above-quoted statement is half the inherent sheer beauty of this
system, and since the Apple Apologists love to play silly semantic games, I
feel the defensive need to add a single clarifying word to that critical
statement above.

*Those copies work to any _visible_ iOS directory, including DCIM!*

If you don't understand the sheer beauty of that statement, then you likely
don't understand the inherent brilliance of the stated solution.

HINT: Try it first, before you say it's common knowledge.

Admission: I accidentally left out a key step in the OP, which means
*nobody* will be successful - if they merely *think* they understand it.

I'll be happy to explain the step I missed, but if you can't tell me what
step I inadvertently missed, then you really do NOT understand it at all.

[Arlen Holder]

On 17 Sep 2018 06:47:12 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

> Dude, I asked you what I thought was a simple question with a 50 to
> 200 word answer and got a 2000 word essay that was only tangentially
> related to what thought I was asking.

I'm sorry. I apologize. Let's drop FTP because it's entirely off topic.

*This thread is about USB. R/W to all four file systems. Simultaneously.*

I guess it irks me that people spent 9/10ths of this thread on the wholly
unrelated FTP issue, and the other 1/10th they wasted because they *think*
they understand this system, when I can easily tell that they don't - so
it's bothersome to me that 100% of this thread didn't move the ball
forward.

I would like to move our tribal knowledge forward - if we can.
*Can we possibly improve on this brilliant process - or not?*

I love the inherent brilliance of this system, which, by the way, I didn't
come up with on my own - I asked on these very newsgroups - for years - and
added a bit of secret sauce that I found by deep searching to solve the iOS
problems (which are always the stumbling block).
a. Linux is almost never the impediment
b. Android is rarely, if ever, the impediment
c. Windows has impediments, but they can almost always be worked around
d. It's iOS that is almost always the problem to resolve

The brilliance of this system is that it works for all 4 filesystems!

The secret sauce is that this works equally well with iOS as it does with
the better behaved file systems.

In fact, I had *forgotten* a component of that secret sauce, which I had to
look up when I ran the six tests last night (which were different than the
original single test in the OP).
1. Windows filesystem to Android 18 minutes, 21 seconds
6. Windows filesystem to iOS 1 minute, 42 seconds (this required a secret)
2. Android to the Windows filesystem* 2 minutes, 20 seconds
5. iOS to the Windows filesystem* 1 minute, 55 seconds
4. iOS to Android 11 minutes, 49 seconds
3. Android to iOS 3 minutes, 5 seconds (this required the secret)

While this system works brilliantly in that *nothing* needs to be added to
the Windows, Linux, iOS, or Android file systems, I didn't run exhaustive
tests on all Android devices.

Hence, Diesel brings up a "possibly" good point that this system "might
not" work with all Android devices.

But I don't understand yet any actual *facts* which justify that FUD.
Maybe you can help on those facts?

Why wouldn't Ubuntu 18.04 be able to access the visible file system of
*all* Android devices?
--
Note: I've only tested from Android 4.3 up to Android 7.0, but out of about
a dozen devices, none failed (and all are USB configured to MTP mode).

[Arlen Holder]

On 16 Sep 2018 22:41:14 GMT, Diesel wrote:

> What you described doing is the standard way of doing it, unless you
> like using software to do it for you.

I respectfully disagree that this is the "standard way" of using USB.

This brilliant idea is *NOT* the standard method of using USB.

In fact, almost *nobody* knows this methnod, which I can tell easily.
For example, nobody can tell us what step I accidentally missed.

HINT: You can't write to the iOS visible file system sans this step!
Also, you keep talking about Windows XP, where that's meaningless.

All Windows file systems work with this method (that's part of the beauty).
Just as all Android & iOS filesystems work (that's the other beauty).

Without adding *anything* to any of the file systems!

That's the *brilliance* of this system!
1. Simple.
2. Powerful.
3. Cross platform (always remember this is the *hardest* thing to do!)

In fact, the brilliance of this system is it works better than anything
that people are using today.

Having said that almost nobody *understands* this method, once you
understand it, we can, together, *improve* it for everyone to benefit.

[Carlos E. R.]

Exactly my thoughts.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Arlen Holder]

On 18 Sep 2018 06:42:20 GMT, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> The method you described is a very common method and I'm surprised it
>> was 'new' to you in the first place. Please see my other post
>> concerning the limitations you didn't mention, because you haven't
>> experienced them due to the small amount of hardware/software you
>> interact with.
>
> Exactly my thoughts.

Carlos, I don't think you understand the system.

But, I'll give you a chance to prove you understand it.

Answer these two questions, one which is easy, the other almost as easy:
(And yet, you'll fail.)

Easy:
1. Why does this work with *all* versions of Windows, iOS, & Android?

Almost as easy:
2. What step did I miss in the OP to write to the iOS DCIM directory?

HINT: If you can't answer these two easy questions, you don't understand
the system described.

The reason I know you don't understand, is that almost nobody knows these
tricks. You don't.

If you did ... you'd be able to answer those two easy questions.
And yet, you can't.

I only speak facts.

[nospam]

In article <pnr84b$28c$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> 2. What step did I miss

many.

[Arlen Holder]

On 18 Sep 2018 09:31:42 GMT, nospam wrote:

>> 2. What step did I miss
>
> many.

Every fifth grader in this newsgroup will think that retort funny.

My main point to the people like Carlos who intimate this method is common
knowledge, is that they didn't understand anything in the original post.

In addition, for those who 'claim' they did it, they didn't.
I know that because I skipped a step that I realized I skipped when I ran
the speed test to a *different* directory than to the VLC private space.

If someone says this method is common knowledge, then they would know what
step I skipped.

I posit not a single person on this newsgroup knows that step.
And they can't do the job without it (not to iOS they can't).

Hence, this method is not common knowledge.
It's brilliant but not common knowledge.

NOTE: I don't say I'm brilliant - I say the method is brilliant - which I
have to point out because the fifth graders in this newsgroup love when I
say that I'm only average in intelligence - it make them feel good.

[Arlen Holder]

Here are some screenshots proving this method does what almost everyone
fails to comprehend, which is it WRITES to the iOS filesystem in any
directory in the visible area possible.

If you don't know the trick to doing that, then you're just bullshitting us
that you think this solution is "obvious".

Unfortunately, I kind of gave up on editing the dozens of screenshots
because Windows just won't load them in the order I click them which makes
editing a large number of files in series a bitch.
Why does a digital photo editor on Windows order a numbered series of incoming files capriciously?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.photo.digital/jlNvYuH8bmQ>

Here is an edited session of just the Android to iOS copy, where everyone
who 'says" it's obvious, is bullshitting us, because it's not obvious the
trick to write to any desired directory in the iOS visible file system.

Plug in any number of iOS & Android devices to your desktop:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9261136speedt001.jpg>

On Windows I created 400 copies of a test file using Irfanview:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6748333speedt002.jpg>

Each of the 400 files was 4,188KB (1.7GB in toto):
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3783685speedt003.jpg>

The Android and iOS file systems easily mount on the desktop:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6176902speedt004.jpg>

The trick that nobody knows is how to WRITE to the iOS filesystem!
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7155870speedt005.jpg>

Once you know the trick, you just create any folder where you want:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2335527speedt006.jpg>

In this case, I created a folder in the normally read-only DCIM folder:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8602708speedt007.jpg>

In one fell swoop, I used the desktop to copy files from Android to iOS:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9242923speedt008.jpg>

I could just as well have copied the other way around:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2204403speedt009.jpg>

Or, from either Android and iOS to or from the Windows filesystem:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3283618speedt010.jpg>

That's the sheer beauty and elegance of this brilliant solution:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6181611speedt011.jpg>

Moving the 400 files from Android to iOS took 3 minutes 5 seconds:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7049277speedt012.jpg>

If I did the math right, moving the files using Ubuntu 18.04 from the
Android 7 LG Stylo 3 Plus to the iOS 11.2.6 2017 iPad 9.7-inch went at the
rate of about 9.4 megabits per second or about a half gigabyte per minute.

I don't know what's "possible" but that's what I got.

Note that I could just as well have moved the files from one area of iOS to
another, or from any area of Android or Windows or Linux to another, as I
can manage the entire visible file system on all four devices
simultaneously without ANY software on any of the operating systems other
than what comes with the operating system.

Anyone who says this brilliant system is "obvious" is a liar, IMHO, since I
haven't mentioned the step that allows full write access to iOS (and no,
it's not jailbreaking).

[Diesel]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:pnpqen$keq$1...@news.mixmin.net Tue, 18 Sep 2018 03:12:23 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On 16 Sep 2018 22:41:14 GMT, Diesel wrote:
>
>> What you described doing is the standard way of doing it, unless
>> you like using software to do it for you.
>
> I respectfully disagree that this is the "standard way" of using
> USB.

Arlen, I was specifically responding to your original comment about
moving files across various devices without having to use
specialized software (itunes,airdrop,etc). It is infact, a well
known method of doing it.

I wasn't claiming that using a USB interface to move data between
your Android/ios/mp3 player/camera,etc was a standard way of using
USB, although I personally think it is; since USB was never intended
just to be a replacement for ps/2 ports in the first place. If you
thought that was the original gameplan, you're mistaken.

Here are some urls that describe the process you thought was 'new';
you'll notice the article dates are years prior to your usenet post
with your reinvention of the wheel discovery and announcement.

http://www.stevesandroidguide.com/transfer-files-usb/
https://support.google.com/android/answer/9064445?hl=en
http://osxdaily.com/2017/01/13/how-transfer-photos-iphone-windows-10-pc/

> This brilliant idea is *NOT* the standard method of using USB.

Again, you're trying to twist my words around. I previously wrote
that what you wrote about moving files around between your windows
computer, android and ios devices is a standard, AND WELL KNOWN,
method of doing it. And, it is.

> In fact, almost *nobody* knows this methnod, which I can tell
> easily.

You give yourself far too much undeserved credit...

http://www.stevesandroidguide.com/transfer-files-usb/
https://support.google.com/android/answer/9064445?hl=en
http://osxdaily.com/2017/01/13/how-transfer-photos-iphone-windows-10-pc/

> HINT: You can't write to the iOS visible file system sans this
> step! Also, you keep talking about Windows XP, where that's
> meaningless.

XP isn't meaningless. Your original post claimed that your 'new
discovery' worked with Any version of Android, Windows and IOS
devices using just what comes with the OS.

> All Windows file systems work with this method (that's part of the
> beauty). Just as all Android & iOS filesystems work (that's the
> other beauty).

Your claim again. :) Except that for reasons I've already stated and
see no point in repeating, it's not accurate.

> In fact, the brilliance of this system is it works better than
> anything that people are using today.

ROFL. People have known about and been using it for years prior to
your usenet post describing it. :)

> Having said that almost nobody *understands* this method, once you
> understand it, we can, together, *improve* it for everyone to
> benefit.

The urls:

http://www.stevesandroidguide.com/transfer-files-usb/
https://support.google.com/android/answer/9064445?hl=en
http://osxdaily.com/2017/01/13/how-transfer-photos-iphone-windows-10-pc/

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On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 20:29:42 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> Arlen, I was specifically responding to your original comment about
> moving files across various devices without having to use
> specialized software (itunes,airdrop,etc). It is infact, a well
> known method of doing it.

I appreciate that you're trying to prove the method is "obvious", which, if
it were obvious, would be trivial to prove (becuase it's USB); but the fact
is that I know something you don't know. Nobody knows it.

Q: What do I know that nobody else knows?
A: How to view & write to the entire visible file system of iOS

How to do that, is NOT obvious (except to me).
*The three hilarious articles you cited PROVE you don't understand.*

I agree that USB is well known for moving files, as is the use of
FTP/HTTP/SMB servers over WiFi.

The only two "tricks" of this method that are not obvious, are:
a. We use Linux to access iOS (because it does it best)
b. We use a trick that allows write access to iOS

Those two tricks are the _only_ non-obvious part of this system.
Yet, without those two tricks, you have no real access to iOS.

You can't design a system to only handle the easy stuff.
A cross platform solution has to work on the hard stuff too.

> I wasn't claiming that using a USB interface to move data between
> your Android/ios/mp3 player/camera,etc was a standard way of using
> USB, although I personally think it is; since USB was never intended
> just to be a replacement for ps/2 ports in the first place. If you
> thought that was the original gameplan, you're mistaken.

The only thing that irks me when people say this is "obvious", is that they
can't do it themselves, so it's not so obvious. If people didn't claim
bullshit, then I wouldn't be irked about their bullshit.

The use of USB is obvious, for sure.

But remember, if that is _all_ you do, you can't do two things:
a. You can't write to the entire visible iOS filesystem
b. You can't even see the entire visible iOS filesystem

The beauty of this method is it solves *cross platform* issues.
Everything else is already obvious.

But the blind don't see the beauty of the non obvious part.

> Here are some urls that describe the process you thought was 'new';
> you'll notice the article dates are years prior to your usenet post
> with your reinvention of the wheel discovery and announcement.

First off, without reading those URLs, I already know they don't cover what
I covered - since NOBODY covers it (because it's not obvious).

The trick is to see anywhere on the visible iOS file system, and to WRITE
anywhere on the iOS visible file system.

That's what's hard.

I am responding as I read, but I can tell you we know more than anything
that will ever be in an article - simply because our method is NOT obvious.

> http://www.stevesandroidguide.com/transfer-files-usb/

How to Transfer Files From Android to PC Using USB Cable
One down.

That says absolutely *nothing* about seeing & writing to iOS.
Nothing.

> https://support.google.com/android/answer/9064445?hl=en
Transfer files between your computer & Android device
Two down.

Where is iOS?

> http://osxdaily.com/2017/01/13/how-transfer-photos-iphone-windows-10-pc/
How to Transfer Photos from iPhone to Windows 10 PC
Three down.

That is a hilarious article, in that the fact you (and others) *think* that
article discusses *anything* I'm talking about, is why I know you fail to
comprehend the beauty of this system.

HINT: Where does that article discuss WRITING to any spot on the visible
file system of iOS?

HINT: It doesn't cover ANYTHING I've covered. Nothing. Zip. Nada.

Worse ... how does that method, which uses the iTunes abomination, work
with Linux? And with Android?

End result: That article is a joke - but the problem is that you don't
recognize WHY it's a joke.

That's because the "obvious" naysayers fail to comprehend two things:
a. How do you *see* the entire visible file system of iOS?
b. How do you *write* to that entire visible file system of iOS?

HINT: Just reading photos is a joke - especially since they use the iTunes
abomination to do it (which isn't needed and they don't even realize that).

Any solution that uses the iTunes abomination, is,
a. Unnecessary (you don't need iTunes)
b. Restricted (it only does what Apple wants it to do)
c. Limited (it doesn't work in the real world, e.g., Linux)

>> This brilliant idea is *NOT* the standard method of using USB.
>
> Again, you're trying to twist my words around. I previously wrote
> that what you wrote about moving files around between your windows
> computer, android and ios devices is a standard, AND WELL KNOWN,
> method of doing it. And, it is.

I appreciate that you're trying to prove that USB is obvious, but I'm at a
way more powerful level than you are since I can do two things that are not
obvious:
1. I can see the entire visible file system of iOS over USB, and,
2. I can *write* to that entire visible file system of iOS over USB.

If you can show me a solution that does that, at the same time that the
same solution works for all other platforms just as well, and, at the same
time requires zero software - then you'll have proved your point.

I can *easily* prove that it's NOT obvious.

HINT: Try to find a single article on the entire Internet that shows how to
do #1 and #2 above.

Just one.

>> In fact, almost *nobody* knows this methnod, which I can tell
>> easily.
>
> You give yourself far too much undeserved credit...

Since you're trying to be an adult, I will state that it's hard for me to
respond to that childish comment because (a) you're the one who doesn't
understand, and (b) I never said I was brilliant.

I said the *method* is brilliant.
Not me.

I just figured it out with the help of others.

Rather than tell me I'm not brilliant (which I already know), I could say
that you're stupid ... which I won't because you're trying to act like an
adult.

But I will say that if you can't understand that the brilliant method
a. *sees* the entire visible iOS file system, and,
b. *writes* to that entire visible iOS file system
Then I have to keep repeating that you fail to *comprehend*.

Since it's clear you fail to comprehend, it's premature for you to say I
give myself too much credit.

Do you understand my adult point?

Let's put it bluntly:
a. You don't understand, so you call me stupid (in effect).
b. Yet, I understand *everything* you said
c. In fact, you've never once told me something I don't already know.

There's *nothing* you've said (or anyone else in this thread) that I didn't
know years ago.

Yet, I am telling you somehing that you _still_ don't comprehend.
Nobody does.

What that means is only two things:
a. I'm not explaining it well (but Jesus, how many times do I have to
explain that I'm WRITING to any part of iOS that I want to!!!!!!).
b. I'm dealing with stupid people who can't comprehend the above sentence
Pick one.

> XP isn't meaningless. Your original post claimed that your 'new
> discovery' worked with Any version of Android, Windows and IOS
> devices using just what comes with the OS.

What are you talking about?
Did you purchase too many excess arguments this week?

If you don't understand why this system works with *any* Windows file
system, then how can I make you understand what is obvious if you simply
understood how this brilliant system works?

Remember, nobody in this entire thread said anything that I didn't already
know years ago ... and yet ... you bring up XP ... which means YOU don't
understand ... not me. You.

YOU don't understand why XP is meaningless since this brilliant system
works with *all* Windows filessystems.

> Your claim again. :) Except that for reasons I've already stated and
> see no point in repeating, it's not accurate.

Diesel,
The fact you don't evne understnad the system, is obvious.
The fact that you think XP matgters, means you don't undresand.

After those two facts are stated, how can you possibly tell me my
statements are "inaccurate"?

What you're doing is NOT understanding, and then claiming that your
misunderstanding means I'm not accurate.

It's preposterous how your mind actually works.

It's like you're colorblind, so you insist that stop signs are not red.

You don't realize everything you say is coming from your ignorance.
There's NOTHING you've said that I don't understand.
There's PLENTY I've said, that you clearly don't understand.

It's premature for you to tell me I'm inaccurate, when it's obvious you
don't understand anything I've told you.

The three hilarious articles you cited PROVE you don't understand.

> ROFL. People have known about and been using it for years prior to
> your usenet post describing it. :)

You have to pardon me for giggling.
Remember, it's YOU who don't understand a thing I'm telling you.
I understand EVERYTHING you can say (because it's nothing new).

So please refrain from rolling on the floor with laughter.
I'm not rolling of the floor with laughter with you.

I'm just shaking my head, thinking the Dunning-Kruger thing is true, that
people who can't comprehend, think others are stupid, because others know
what people who can't comprehend, can't comprehend.

So please, refrain from the ROFL since it's YOU who doesn't comprehend.
Not me.

All you're telling me is what everyone already knows.
I'm telling you something that you don't know - and can't yet comprehend.

>> Having said that almost nobody *understands* this method, once you
>> understand it, we can, together, *improve* it for everyone to
>> benefit.
>
> The urls:
>
> http://www.stevesandroidguide.com/transfer-files-usb/
> https://support.google.com/android/answer/9064445?hl=en
> http://osxdaily.com/2017/01/13/how-transfer-photos-iphone-windows-10-pc/
>
> Cover it well enough. No need for anyone to rely on any of us for
> more.

Notice that you, Diesel, use the childish "no need to reply" comment.
That proves your mind is that of a fifth grader.

You google for URLs that have "usb" in the title.
You throw them at me, as if they have anything meaningful in them.

I *easily* prove that they're hilarious.
HINT: None of them show how to WRITE to anywhere in the visible iOS file
system.

Do you see how *childish* you act Diesel?
a. You clearly do not comprehend the brilliance of the method
b. You then tell me I'm wrong (but you don't even comprehend it!)
c. You then throw idiotic URLs (that prove you don't comprehend it)
d. And then you say you've proven your point and I shouldn't bother to
respond.

Well, my response is simple:
a. You don't have the first clue how to do these two things:
1. See all of the visible iOS file system over USB
2. Write to all of the visible iOS file system over USB

Nobody who posted can do that.
Except me.

That's the beuaty of the system.
It's NOT obvious - until I tell you.

But some of you _still_ can't comprehend even after I tell you.
*I think that's sad because it means people are incomprehensibly stupid.*
--
I have to realize that I'm dealing with a sea of utter morons.

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:41:40 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
I just finished responding to Diesel in this post:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/WqIDiVbawRs/FP11KUd-CAAJ>

I admit. I'm frustrated.
I'm not used to dealing with people who resist new ideas.

I just don't have the social skills to deal with people _that_ dumb.

I'm realizing that NOBODY who posted understood this method.
Not a single person.

I'm trying to edify a sea of inert bricks it seems.

Those who posted can't understand the brilliance of being able to see and
write to any part of the visible iOS file system over USB is a "big deal".

In this thread, nobody told me anything I didn't know *years* ago.
Hence, I learned NOTHING from you (which is sad, since I was hoping to
improve the method even further).

But nobody comprehended the method.
They are all like bricks - where all they see is the USB cable.

And then they throw hilariously idiotic USB-related articles as "proof" tha
the method is universal ... even as they didn't even *read* those articles,
because if they did - they'd realize that they're jokes.

How do you deal with trying to edify people who can't comprehend facts?

I admit it's super frustrating dealing with people who are as resistant to
new ideas as the folks who responded have proven themselves to be, so I'm
going to give up on trying to edify anyone on this thread.

Suffice to say that the brilliance of this system is obvious to me, but not
obvious to anyone who responded.

If you can cite a single article on the net which shows how to WRITE to ANY
part of the visible file system of iOS using a method that also works with
all other common consumer platforms, then please post that article.

Until then, I'll just shake my head thinking that, even as I'm only average
in intelligence, I easily tower over everyone who posted because:
a. I understood EVERYTHING everyone said (nobody added anything new)
b. Nobody understood what I said (I write to anywhere on iOS)

Until people grow up, they won't be able to comprehend what I said above.

I apologize for being frustrated with all of those who responded.

Pardon me for being blunt...and it's not just nospam or Diesel.
It's everyone who responded.
Not one of them comprehends the simplest of facts.

I just don't have the social skills to deal with so many people _that_
incomprehensibly dumb.

I'm sorry. I give up trying to edify you.

[nospam]

In article <pnuuih$17u$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen H. Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> I just don't have the social skills to deal with people

yep.

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 22:02:48 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> I just don't have the social skills to deal with people
>
> yep.

Yet again, nospam, in his desperate attempt to *appear* witty, resorts to
brazenly fabricating quoted content that never happened simply due to his
childish need to "sound intelligent".

Why do the iOS trolls like Jolly Roger & nospam always FABRICATE conversations... just so they can sound "witty" in response?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GExRc1qrFGo/JBzdCKSSAwAJ>

It's one of the 7 common traits of the Apple Apologists
What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ>

[Wolf K]

On 2018-09-19 21:34, Arlen H. Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 20:29:42 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>
>> Arlen, I was specifically responding to your original comment about
>> moving files across various devices without having to use
>> specialized software (itunes,airdrop,etc). It is infact, a well
>> known method of doing it.
> I appreciate that you're trying to prove the method is "obvious", which, if
> it were obvious, would be trivial to prove (becuase it's USB); but the fact
> is that I know something you don't know. Nobody knows it.
>
> Q: What do I know that nobody else knows?
> A: How to view & write to the entire visible file system of iOS
>
> How to do that, is NOT obvious (except to me).
> *The three hilarious articles you cited PROVE you don't understand.*
>
> I agree that USB is well known for moving files, as is the use of
> FTP/HTTP/SMB servers over WiFi.
>
> The only two "tricks" of this method that are not obvious, are:
> a. We use Linux to access iOS (because it does it best)
> b. We use a trick that allows write access to iOS

[cut]

All known before you "discovered" it. Don't you know that almost all
rescue disks are Linux-based? Etc.

Have a good day,

--
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Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned.
(James Bridley, 2018)

[Diesel]

"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:pnutel$v60$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:34:14 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 20:29:42 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>
>> Arlen, I was specifically responding to your original comment
>> about moving files across various devices without having to use
>> specialized software (itunes,airdrop,etc). It is infact, a well
>> known method of doing it.
>
> I appreciate that you're trying to prove the method is "obvious",
> which, if it were obvious, would be trivial to prove (becuase it's
> USB); but the fact is that I know something you don't know. Nobody
> knows it.

I'll respond in full at a slightly later time. I'm running *very low*
on free time presently. I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you,
or, heh, running away from our conversation.

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The inherent brilliance of this method is that it simultaneously allows
write/read access to the entire visible file system of all 4 platforms:
1. Linux (via ntfs)
2. Windows (via ntfs)
3. Android (via mtpfs)
4. iOS (via iOSfs)

Basically, everything acts essentially like a USB stick does.

The hard part is the *pair* of features in #4 (the rest are obvious):
a. Viewing the entire visible file system of iOS, and,
b. Writing to that entire visible file system of iOS.

Everything else is obvious.

I posit that 99.9999999% of iOS users don't know how to turn their iOS
device into a read/write "USB stick" using this simple brilliant method.

[Arlen H. Holder]

Since I already proved that _nobody_ who posted actually _understood_ this
brilliant method, I simply point the users to the tutorial I wrote, which
explains that which all the naysayers clearly didn't comprehend.

Yes, that's you Diesel, Jasen, nospam, Carlos, Big Al, Slootweg, Wolf, &
Mike S, all of whom proved they were completely full of shit.

HINT: The solution is _not_ obvious - and anyone who said it was, is
clearly full of shit. I don't have the social skills to deal with all the
morons who posted - where NOBODY understood what I know.

Hence, I learned nothing since nobody said anything I didn't already know
years ago - where I'm the only one advancing the ball forward here.

*Read this & please do not respond unless you can add adult value!*
How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB cable
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IFC52JXBQ1c>

If you can improve on _that_ process, please do, but stop proving that
you're all morons, please. Simply try to _understand_ the simple process.

The inherent brilliance of this method is that it simultaneously allows
write/read access to the entire visible file system of all 4 platforms:

1. Linux (via ntfs) <-- easy
2. Windows (via ntfs) <-- easy
3. Android (via mtpfs) <-- easy
4. iOS (via iOSfs) <-- only easy if you know what I told you (see above)

[Diesel]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:pnocue$38e$1...@news.mixmin.net Mon, 17 Sep 2018 14:15:45 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> *This thread is about USB. R/W to all four file systems.
> Simultaneously.*

It's about a little more than that. You previously claimed, any
version of windows, linux, android, ios, etc. That your method is
universal.

MID: <pnghb3$jc2$1...@news.mixmin.net>

I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to *simultaneously*
slide huge files both ways over USB to *any* iOS, Android, Windows, &
Linux device!

***end snippit

As I and others have already told you (Yes, I did check your other
thread from July where you finally disclosed the third party packages
present on your linux distro that provide limited AFC support) You've
incorrectly assumed that all distros contain the 3rd party packages
required to gain limited (not full, contrary to your previous claims)
access to a supported iOS device.

> While this system works brilliantly in that *nothing* needs to be
> added to the Windows, Linux, iOS, or Android file systems, I
> didn't run exhaustive tests on all Android devices.

I know you didn't, because you've claimed it works with ANY Android
device on any flavor of ios, linux, or, Windows. I know for a fact
what you've written isn't true because i've dealt with THOUSANDS of
these stupid Android powered devices (they aren't all phones you
know) and encountered many! that are a righteous fucking bastard at
times to access, because they aren't following the so called
standards.

> Hence, Diesel brings up a "possibly" good point that this system
> "might not" work with all Android devices.

It doesn't. See above.

> But I don't understand yet any actual *facts* which justify that
> FUD. Maybe you can help on those facts?

Let me give you a few more, facts, then. I've been a certified
technician for over twenty years with two honorary masters in I.T. I
have an established track record online as well as offline for my ..
technical expertise and skillsets. There's absolutely no reason to
take me for my word on those claims either, you can *easily* read
about some of the things I'm responsible for via google or your
favorite search engine of choice. Moron, idiot, etc, I'm not.

If you've been around this newsgroup (alt.comp.freeware) for decades
like you've claimed, you'd already know me and wouldn't be calling me
a moron, etc. So, I'm doubting that claim of yours, too.

> Why wouldn't Ubuntu 18.04 be able to access the visible file
> system of *all* Android devices?

Again, I remind you of what you originally wrote:

Message-ID: <pnghb3$jc2$1...@news.mixmin.net>

I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to *simultaneously*
slide huge files both ways over USB to *any* iOS, Android, Windows, &
Linux device!

***end snippit

Any particular reason you're getting specific with the Linux distro
now?

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[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:48:09 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> Again, I remind you of what you originally wrote:
>
> Message-ID: <pnghb3$jc2$1...@news.mixmin.net>
> I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to *simultaneously*
> slide huge files both ways over USB to *any* iOS, Android, Windows, &
> Linux device!
>
> ***end snippit
>
> Any particular reason you're getting specific with the Linux distro
> now?

In addition, let me mention in passing Windows 3.11 and all earlier
versions wherein I'm pretty sure one won't get that 'file
sliding' working.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Beliefs are the diluting ice cubes in the chilled chardonnay of
experience.
Zorg

[Carlos E. R.]

On 14/09/2018 20.28, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2018 15:51:40 GMT, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Actually, he is mostly right this time :-P
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> I need you to answer an adult question, from one adult to another.
>
> The beauty of this method is the realization that the fastest way to copy
> huge numbers of files of huge sizes between mobile devices and Windows, is
> to use Linux.
>
> Since you are an adult, and since you seem to have comprehended what nospam
> said that is "right" about that statement, I need you to clarify for me
> what you think nospam is right about, with respect to that topic.
>
> What is nospam right about with respect to my statement above which is that
> the fastest way to copy files to and from any mobile device and Windows, is
> to use USB on Linux?

Everything that is on what I quoted.
And no, I'm not going to go into all that detail.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Carlos E. R.]

On 18/09/2018 12.11, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 18 Sep 2018 06:42:20 GMT, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>>> The method you described is a very common method and I'm surprised it
>>> was 'new' to you in the first place. Please see my other post
>>> concerning the limitations you didn't mention, because you haven't
>>> experienced them due to the small amount of hardware/software you
>>> interact with.
>>
>> Exactly my thoughts.
>
> Carlos, I don't think you understand the system.
>
> But, I'll give you a chance to prove you understand it.

Look man, you have posted a thousand posts with a thousand lines each. I
refuse to read them all, and those I read I do not read to the end. You
speak way too much.

Copying files via USB using Linux from a Windows partition is just
trivial stuff not worth writing about.

Just be glad that I still haven't killfilled you. If you want answers,
write short entries, keep stupidities out (no saying iphone or iphone
people are stupid, for instance), and keep to the point.

And I don't care about iphones.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Diesel]

"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r...@WizardsTower.invalid>
news:20180921083422.6ad19354@WizardsTower Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:34:22

GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:48:09 -0000 (UTC)
> Diesel <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Again, I remind you of what you originally wrote:
>>
>> Message-ID: <pnghb3$jc2$1...@news.mixmin.net>
>> I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to
>> *simultaneously* slide huge files both ways over USB to *any*
>> iOS, Android, Windows, & Linux device!
>>
>> ***end snippit
>>
>> Any particular reason you're getting specific with the Linux
>> distro now?
>
> In addition, let me mention in passing Windows 3.11 and all
> earlier versions wherein I'm pretty sure one won't get that 'file
> sliding' working.

You have to admit, the 'file sliding' is a nifty buzzword. Evidently
selected to explain the newfound 'discovery'? :)

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On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:48:09 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> It's about a little more than that. You previously claimed, any
> version of windows, linux, android, ios, etc. That your method is
> universal.

You're a well-known troll, Diesel, so, while the sentence above is what an
adult would write, let's see what your post is about, bearing in mind that
if you act like a child, I treat you like a child, Diesel.

> As I and others have already told you (Yes, I did check your other
> thread from July where you finally disclosed the third party packages
> present on your linux distro that provide limited AFC support) You've
> incorrectly assumed that all distros contain the 3rd party packages
> required to gain limited (not full, contrary to your previous claims)
> access to a supported iOS device.

You're nit picking, Diesel. Which means my post was pretty damn good!

It's like I'm saying that a nail works in all wood, and you then try to
nail into a knot, just so that you can claim that the nail doeesn't work in
all wood.

The user "joe" cried like a baby, for example, the split second he ran into
the simplest of the most trivial of commands, which was something like:
sudo apt-get install x

For Christs' sake, if you're _not_ on Ubuntu 18.04, which is the system I
clearly tested, and if your distro doesn't have 'x', then you cry like a
baby if you have to run this command?
sudo apt-get install x

C'mon Diesel.

If _that_ is the worst you (and the crybaby "joe") can say about my ad-hoc
Usenet post, then my post is pretty damn good, since Usenet isn't a legal
contract where I have ever sentence vetted by my lawyer before I post it.

> I know you didn't, because you've claimed it works with ANY Android
> device on any flavor of ios, linux, or, Windows. I know for a fact
> what you've written isn't true because i've dealt with THOUSANDS of
> these stupid Android powered devices (they aren't all phones you
> know) and encountered many! that are a righteous fucking bastard at
> times to access, because they aren't following the so called
> standards.

Look Diesel, if you're not a sock for "joe", you sure *sound* like one.
For Christs' sake, if that's the worst thing you can find wrong with this
brilliant system, then it's pretty damn good.

Remember, this is Usenet. It's casual. It's not a textbook where every
sentence has to be reviewed by a team of editors and professors.

>> Hence, Diesel brings up a "possibly" good point that this system
>> "might not" work with all Android devices.
>
> It doesn't. See above.

You're not helping anyone with your childish nit-picking attempt.
Why don't you spend that energy *improving* the process for everyone?

HINT: You can't. That would require intelligence you don't have.

> Let me give you a few more, facts, then. I've been a certified
> technician for over twenty years with two honorary masters in I.T.

And, I can tell, from what you post, that you don't have the intelligence
to add even a single iota of incremental added value to the given system.

That's not as bad as it sounds, as probably only one out of 10,000 people
on this newsgroup have that kind of intelligence.

And that person hasn't posted to this thread yet, since I'm the only one
here who added _any_ on-topic technical value to this thread.

> I
> have an established track record online as well as offline for my ..
> technical expertise and skillsets.

Diesel,
Let's be adults, shall we?

Both you and I can _list_ our credentials, but, really, what matters isn't
a list of our credentials - but how much *added value* we provide to the
team.

I clearly provided added value (since we proved that _nobody_ who posted
knew the tricks that I provided, particularly when dealing with the
persnickety iOS devices).

In fact, it seems nobody _understood_ the whole process, particularly those
that said it was "obvious" since not a single person, when challenged,
could answer the simplest of questions about the brilliant process.

While both you and I can list credentials, at least I added value.

> There's absolutely no reason to
> take me for my word on those claims either, you can *easily* read
> about some of the things I'm responsible for via google or your
> favorite search engine of choice. Moron, idiot, etc, I'm not.

If you (or anyone else) *improves* the process, then you're intelligent.
If you can't improve the process ... you've proved nothing to anyone.

Worse, if all you can do is nit pick, then you prove you're a moron.
Your own actions prove everything we need to know about you.

Mine were that I added value.
Yours were... um ... er ... what?

All you proved, Diesel, was:
a. You didn't understnad the process (that is super clear to all)
b. You haven't added a single iota of added value (also clear to all)

> If you've been around this newsgroup (alt.comp.freeware) for decades
> like you've claimed, you'd already know me and wouldn't be calling me
> a moron, etc. So, I'm doubting that claim of yours, too.

hehhehheh ... I know a lot more than you think, Diesel.
Don't you wonder why I confront you cowardly bully trolls?

Don't you wonder why I _know_ you never understood the process?
Don't you wonder why I know you'll never add any value?

HINT: You can't.
You see, I have been on Usenet for a very long time.

> Again, I remind you of what you originally wrote:

Here's the good news, Diesel.
a. You act like an adult, I treat you like an adult.
b. You act like a child, I treat you like a child.

It's really a simple equation, which is _designed_ to funnel you into
acting like an adult.

If you wish to act like an adult, it's easy (if you're intelligent):
*Just add technical value to _improve_ the process for all to benefit.*

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:46:21 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> You have to admit, the 'file sliding' is a nifty buzzword. Evidently
> selected to explain the newfound 'discovery'? :)

*Usenet is full of you worthless trolls, Diesel (and Cybe R. Wizard).*

Both you and Cybe R. Wizard, who is a well known troll on the Linux
newsgroups) can only nit pick.

It's a fact that you, Diesel, didn't even _comprehend_ this process, since
you _thought_ that it was a simple USB file transfer, which, for iOS, it is
decidedly not.

When I *repeatedly* challenged you, and all the other childish naysayers)
to explain the process, particularly how we *write* to the full iOS file
system over USB, you all fell deathly silent.

That's the most telling of all.

You see, Diesel, you prove by what you write that you
a. Claim the system is "obvious", and yet,
b. You don't understand it.

Worse, you prove with every post (as did Cybe R. Wizard), that you don't
have the intelligence to *improve* the process.

Why don't you (and that utter moron, Cybe R. Wizard), use what little
brains you seem to have to attempt to *improve* the process, so that
everyone will benefit from your actions.

HINT: You can't. Neither of you has the intelligence necessary.

That's a fact you, Diesel, (and Cybe R. Wizard), prove in every post!

*Usenet is full of you worthless trolls, Diesel (and Cybe R. Wizard).*

[Arlen H. Holder]

It takes intelligence to add value to an already great setup.

If you feel you are intelligent, please use that God-given intelligence
that you think you have to _improve_ this process so that everyone benefits
from all your efforts.

This thread adds value for those who wish for read/write access their
dual-boot Linux file systems while still booted to Windows:
<http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/EOP3G3NM/quick-assessment-of-3-windows-tools-to-read-write-linux-filesystems-on-dual-boot-desktops>

That thread also explains how to do the same, but with the more difficult
Mac, where, as you know, dealing with Mac users is like dealing with little
babies compared to the usually far more mature Linux users.

In summary, these tools are what we've found, together, to work on Windows:
1. *7-zip*
<http://7-zip.org/download.html
2. *Linux Reader*
<https://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/>
3. *Ext2Read*
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2read/>
4. *Ext2Fsd*
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd/files/Ext2fsd/0.69/>
5. *Ext4Explorer*
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/ext4explore/?source=directory>
6. *Paragon*
<https://www.paragon-software.com/business/extfs-for-windows/>

And, in summary, these tools purport to do the same for the Mac
(where the Mac babies can only nit pick about their intense fear of turning
off "journaling", which, (a) they don't have to turn off, but (b) they
_love_ to cry like little babies if we even mention that they can if they
want to.

****************************************************************************
How to read & write to HFS+ partitions by booting to Ubuntu (on the Mac)
!!!WIP ... Untested! ... Preliminary - for review!!!

Please improve so that everyone benefits from every action by each of us.
See also:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IFC52JXBQ1c>
****************************************************************************
============================================================================
Your choice (works both ways):
a. Journaling disabled
b. Journaling enabled
============================================================================
Read/Write access to a non-journaled HFS+ drive.

1. Plug in the external HFS+ non-journeled drive into Ubuntu.
2. Ubuntu mounts the HFS+ drive automatically as read-only.
$ mount -l
Your HFS+ device should show up as /dev/sdx
If the drive doesn't automatically mount, mount the HFS+ drive:
$ sudo mount -t hfsplus -o force,rw /dev/sdx# /media/mntpoint
3. Click the eject button in file explorer to unmount the drive.
4. Install hfsprogs.
$ sudo apt-get install hfsprogs
5. Optional: Check the drive.
$ sudo fsck.hfsplus /dev/sdXY
6. Click on the drive in the file explorer to remount the drive as r/w:
Note: To manually remount the HFS+ drive:
$ sudo mount -t hfsplus -o remount,force,rw /dev/sdx# /mount/point
============================================================================
Read/Write access to a journaled HFS+ drive.

1. Plug in the external HFS+ non-journeled drive into Ubuntu.
2. Ubuntu mounts the HFS+ drive automatically as read-only.
$ mount -l
Your HFS+ device should show up as /dev/sdx
If the drive doesn't automatically mount, mount the HFS+ drive:
$ sudo mount -t hfsplus -o force,rw /dev/sdx# /media/mntpoint
3. Click the eject button in file explorer to unmount the drive.
4. Install hfsprogs.
$ sudo apt-get install hfsprogs
5. Optional: Check the drive.
$ sudo fsck.hfsplus -f /dev/sdXY
6. Click on the drive in the file explorer to remount the drive as r/w:
Note: To manually remount the HFS+ drive:
$ sudo mount -t hfsplus -o remount,force,rw /dev/sdx# /mount/point
============================================================================
To read/write on the Mac users' home folder, simply match the User ID:

1. On OS/X, check your UID (typically the default is UID 501):
OS/X: System Preferences > your username > Advanced Options

2. Boot into Ubuntu & add a temp user of the same UID as found above:
$ sudo useradd -d /home/tempuser -m -s /bin/bash -G admin tempuser
$ sudo passwd tempuser
$ sudo usermod --uid 501 yourusername
$ sudo chown -R 501:yourusername /home/yourusername

You can now read & write to both your Mac and Linux user's home folder,
no matter which OS you're logged into.

3. Optionally, add the new user of UID 501 to the Ubuntu login screen:
By default, Ubuntu doesn't list users of UID less than 1000 on the
login screen, where this command changes that default value:

$ gksudo gedit /etc/login.defs
Simply change the value of UID_MIN from 1000 to 501
============================================================================
To turn off HFS+ journaling from the Mac

1. Boot into OS X and fire up the Disk Utility.
2. Click on your HFS partition, hold the Option key, and click File
3. A new option to Disable Journaling will come up in the menu.
4. When you reboot to Linux, it will mount the HFS+ drive r/w automatically
============================================================================
To turn off HFS+ journaling from within Ubuntu

1. Compile disable_journal.c to disable_journal.out
$ gcc -o disable_journal disable_journal.c
2. Run the program to disable journaling.
$ sudo ./disable_journal.out /dev/sdXX
where /dev/sdXX is the partition you wish to mount.
3. Then mount the HFS+ drive using the following:
$ sudo mount -t hfsplus -o rw,user /dev/sdXX /media/hfspart

--- cut here for disable_journal.c ---
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/mman.h>
#include <fcntl.h>
#include <byteswap.h>



int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
int fd = open(argv[1], O_RDWR);
if(fd < 0) {
perror("open");
return -1;
}

unsigned char *buffer = (unsigned char *)mmap(NULL, 2048,
PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0);
if(buffer == (unsigned char*)0xffffffff) {
perror("mmap");
return -1;
}

if((buffer[1024] != 'H') && (buffer[1025] != '+')) {
fprintf(stderr, "%s: HFS+ signature not found -- aborting.\n", argv[0]);
return -1;
}

unsigned long attributes = *(unsigned long *)(&buffer[1028]);
attributes = bswap_32(attributes);
printf("attributes = 0x%8.8lx\n", attributes);

if(!(attributes & 0x00002000)) {
printf("kHFSVolumeJournaledBit not currently set in the volume attributes
field.\n");
}

attributes &= 0xffffdfff;
attributes = bswap_32(attributes);
*(unsigned long *)(&buffer[1028]) = attributes;

buffer[1032] = '1';
buffer[1033] = '0';
buffer[1034] = '.';
buffer[1035] = '0';

buffer[1036] = 0;
buffer[1037] = 0;
buffer[1038] = 0;
buffer[1039] = 0;

printf("journal has been disabled.\n");
return 0;
}
--- cut here for disable_journal.c ---
============================================================================
For commercial solutions:
1. Paragon has an extension for full read/write access to NTFS & HFS+
volumes
<https://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-linux-professional/>
NOTE: They have a freeware version available for non-commercial use.

2. Paragon has an add-on extension for full APFS (read-write access)
<https://www.paragon-software.com/business/apfs-linux/>
============================================================================
REFERENCES (in alphabetical order):

<http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com/ekHuTNWB/quick-cross-platform-question-on-ubuntu-macos-dual-boot-basics>

<http://askubuntu.com/questions/332315/how-to-read-and-write-hfs-journaled-external-hdd-in-ubuntu-without-access-to-os>
<http://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/0kdhyqga5FQ>

<http://jaysonlorenzen.wordpress.com/2010/09/13/linux-unable-to-write-to-non-journaled-hfsplus-drive/>

<http://lifehacker.com/5702815/the-complete-guide-to-sharing-your-data-across-multiple-operating-systems>
<http://lifewire.com/dual-boot-linux-and-mac-os-4125733>
<http://pastebin.com/W8pfgHRe>
<http://refit.sourceforge.net/info/boot_process.html>

<http://superuser.com/questions/84446/how-to-mount-a-hfs-partition-in-ubuntu-as-read-write>
<http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1420673>
============================================================================
TRIBAL ARCHIVES:
http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/0kdhyqga5FQ>

http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com

<http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com/ekHuTNWB/quick-cross-platform-question-on-ubuntu-macos-dual-boot-basics>
============================================================================
============================================================================

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:30:07 -0000 (UTC), Arlen H. Holder wrote:

> That thread also explains how to do the same, but with the more difficult
> Mac, where, as you know, dealing with Mac users is like dealing with little
> babies compared to the usually far more mature Linux users.

Ooooooops.

Before the Apple Apologists jump in and play their silly games...

The thread that solved the same problems for the Mac users is here.
<http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com/ekHuTNWB/quick-cross-platform-question-on-ubuntu-macos-dual-boot-basics>

Notice that it's a Linux thread, simply because Mac users, historically,
over the decades, have proven they lack the adult mental insight necessary
to solve problems that deal with interfacing to the real world outside the
buttons Apple Marketing provides them (IMHO).

HINT: We've tested this, scores of times over the decades, in single-blind
tests as different users asking the _same_ exact question separately in
each group - and then observing the results.

On the Mac groups, they proved all they can do with this information is:
a) Play silly childish semantic games (which helps nobody)
b) Incessantly complain about their intense fears of working with linux
HINT: Intense fear is what drives them to be on the Apple platform (IMHO).

The Mac users prove it every time a cross-platform technical topic arises:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.system/zbrDzJbiBXQ>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.system/fPalW7Vg8bs>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.system/-VpzIMP2IeQ>
etc.

[Diesel]

"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:poijsp$88v$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:53:46 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:46:21 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>
>> You have to admit, the 'file sliding' is a nifty buzzword.
>> Evidently selected to explain the newfound 'discovery'? :)
>
> *Usenet is full of you worthless trolls, Diesel (and Cybe R.
> Wizard).*

Thanks?

> It's a fact that you, Diesel, didn't even _comprehend_ this
> process, since you _thought_ that it was a simple USB file
> transfer, which, for iOS, it is decidedly not.

Umm... okay.

> When I *repeatedly* challenged you, and all the other childish
> naysayers) to explain the process, particularly how we *write* to
> the full iOS file system over USB, you all fell deathly silent.

You haven't responded to a reply I left for you...

> You see, Diesel, you prove by what you write that you
> a. Claim the system is "obvious", and yet,
> b. You don't understand it.

The system is obvious and I do understand it perfectly fine. The
term, sliding though is new to me. Was there something wrong with
copy (or cut) and paste?

> Worse, you prove with every post (as did Cybe R. Wizard), that you
> don't have the intelligence to *improve* the process.

If you knew what I knew, you'd understand why I find your attacks on
my intelligence so damn funny. Maybe it's the handle i'm using that's
thrown you? heh.

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2 + 2 = 4 (for the time being).

[Diesel]

"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:poijiq$81e$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:48:27 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:48:09 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>
>> It's about a little more than that. You previously claimed, any
>> version of windows, linux, android, ios, etc. That your method is
>> universal.
>
> You're a well-known troll, Diesel, so, while the sentence above is
> what an adult would write, let's see what your post is about,
> bearing in mind that if you act like a child, I treat you like a
> child, Diesel.

Partially right, Arlen. I am well known, but it's not for that of
being a troll.

>> As I and others have already told you (Yes, I did check your
>> other thread from July where you finally disclosed the third
>> party packages present on your linux distro that provide limited
>> AFC support) You've incorrectly assumed that all distros contain
>> the 3rd party packages required to gain limited (not full,
>> contrary to your previous claims) access to a supported iOS
>> device.
>
> You're nit picking, Diesel. Which means my post was pretty damn
> good!

I'm doing nothing of the sort. You mislead people by withholding that
information and expected them to go fish for it. :) Fact is, out of
the box, not all distros have those packages and so contrary to what
you initially claimed, not all linux distros will read/write to an
ios device without 3rd party software; which is what you were told
from the fucking get go.

> It's like I'm saying that a nail works in all wood, and you then
> try to nail into a knot, just so that you can claim that the nail
> doeesn't work in all wood.

That's a terrible comparison...

> Look Diesel, if you're not a sock for "joe", you sure *sound* like
> one. For Christs' sake, if that's the worst thing you can find
> wrong with this brilliant system, then it's pretty damn good.

Nope, I'm not a sock for anyone...There's nothing brilliant or new
about the system you described, except for your coinage of the word
'slide' for file copying...

> HINT: You can't. That would require intelligence you don't have.

I don't think you want to compare wits with me. I've got work that's
been published and extensively peer reviewed. rofl.

> And that person hasn't posted to this thread yet, since I'm the
> only one here who added _any_ on-topic technical value to this
> thread.

What technical value did you add, specifically?

>> If you've been around this newsgroup (alt.comp.freeware) for
>> decades like you've claimed, you'd already know me and wouldn't
>> be calling me a moron, etc. So, I'm doubting that claim of yours,
>> too.
>
> hehhehheh ... I know a lot more than you think, Diesel.

Oh? Let's test that theory. What's my primary, and very well known
handle here? :)

> You see, I have been on Usenet for a very long time.

As have I. :)

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On 2018-09-27 20:05:57 +0000, Diesel said:
> "Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net>
> news:poijsp$88v$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:53:46 GMT in
> alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:46:21 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>>> You have to admit, the 'file sliding' is a nifty buzzword.
>>> Evidently selected to explain the newfound 'discovery'? :)
>>
>> *Usenet is full of you worthless trolls, Diesel (and Cybe R.
>> Wizard).*
>
> Thanks?

Talk about pot-kettle-black ... "Arlen H. Holder" is the biggest and
most brainless worthless troll in these newsgroup. Everyone needs to
stop replying to that moron!

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:41:40 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to *simultaneously* slide
> huge files both ways over USB to *any* iOS, Android, Windows, & Linux
> device!

This method of "mounting" and/or "sharing" the Android filesystem with
Windows/Ubuntu (and likely the Mac) should help with sliding files around.

Tutorial to run any Windows command directly on Android over either USB or Wi-Fi
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/JrWLPRYO-TU>

[Diesel]

Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> news:pojfqb$fo9$1...@adenine.netfront.net

Hmm. I do admit that I'm a very sarcastic individual most of the time,
and have been known to be quite an asshole. That being said, troll
isn't one of the things that I'm known for being that actually has any
backbone to it. In other words, that's bullshit.

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